Heinz deli mayo-advert banned

25 Jun 2008

Quote by DeeCee
the point is ... that steve has a habit of playing the bully, but others( me included) can see right through it.
Like a few on here, he has a different view. Some I agree with and some I don't. The forum would be boring without these differing views. Steve, in my opinion, has a thought and puts it in type and will then ask questions about others answers. This applies to Frecklebird, Phuckers, Wunderhorse, and quite a few I could mention. I like the way they do not stick to the norm. They all make me think and look at a topic in a totally different way. Is that bullying? Not in my book, just clarifying answers.
he hides behind his friends and the AUP and basically loves a good row.
I suspect his friends on here would be the first to point out to Steve if he stepped over the mark. And I suspect he would be the first to acknowledge it............well at least Shireen would give him a bash around the head first . Hiding behind the AUP? You can not hide behind it.........you either abide by it and stay or do not abide by it and get a boot.
he hangs on to a time when he was important... but the truth is, he is no-longer important,
Well below the belt and should not be in an adult discussion. It is more suited to the playground
and less attractib=ve to the opposite sex. accordingly he takes it out on his (more virile) competition.
Even more below the belt. Your head should hang in shame for that
if im gonna get banned for speaking my mind.. then so be it.
I hope you don't get a ban, but you should think before insulting people
Just for the record, me and Steve have crossed swords in previous threads. And at one point it became quite heated, but that was with the discussion and not insults. I hope everyone can play happily now and stop building barriers of them and us. There is no them and us, there is only me against the rest of you :twisted: .

As for the advert? I wouldn't have noticed it if it hadn't been pointed out to me. To me it is just another scene in everyday life. I wouldn't bat an eyelid.
Dave_Notts

25 Jun 2008

Quote by Dave__Notts
the point is ... that steve has a habit of playing the bully, but others( me included) can see right through it.
Like a few on here, he has a different view. Some I agree with and some I don't. The forum would be boring without these differing views. Steve, in my opinion, has a thought and puts it in type and will then ask questions about others answers. This applies to Frecklebird, Phuckers, Wunderhorse, and quite a few I could mention. I like the way they do not stick to the norm. They all make me think and look at a topic in a totally different way. Is that bullying? Not in my book, just clarifying answers.
he hides behind his friends and the AUP and basically loves a good row.
I suspect his friends on here would be the first to point out to Steve if he stepped over the mark. And I suspect he would be the first to acknowledge it............well at least Shireen would give him a bash around the head first . Hiding behind the AUP? You can not hide behind it.........you either abide by it and stay or do not abide by it and get a boot.
he hangs on to a time when he was important... but the truth is, he is no-longer important,
Well below the belt and should not be in an adult discussion. It is more suited to the playground
and less attractib=ve to the opposite sex. accordingly he takes it out on his (more virile) competition.
Even more below the belt. Your head should hang in shame for that
if im gonna get banned for speaking my mind.. then so be it.
I hope you don't get a ban, but you should think before insulting people
Just for the record, me and Steve have crossed swords in previous threads. And at one point it became quite heated, but that was with the discussion and not insults. I hope everyone can play happily now and stop building barriers of them and us. There is no them and us, there is only me against the rest of you :twisted: .

As for the advert? I wouldn't have noticed it if it hadn't been pointed out to me. To me it is just another scene in everyday life. I wouldn't bat an eyelid.
Dave_Notts
worship

Dave, you've done my thumping head a real favour as I've been trying to get round to saying just that all day.
I've fallen out with Steve before, but we dealt with it & sorted it out without resorting to insults.
However- the issue of if the "tradition" of expecting the OP to post their feelings first can, I'm sure, be debated. Lambasting one person for doing what many others have done before, and will no doubt do again is not the way to go about it.

25 Jun 2008

balanced aint it..

25 Jun 2008

Quote by Shireen
When I first saw it I was shocked... Cant explain why but I was....
To be honest I am not surprised it has been withdrawn.... In fact I was only discussing it today with a customer about the fact that I was very liberal in my approach to life but this was a little too close to the edge for my liking...

Agreed. Now I am not no prude and live and let live and all that but...I think it is unacceptable. The tv companies always seem to want to push the boundaries further and further. What is not acceptable today become acceptable tommorow.
I remember the " kissing " scenes in Eastenders and Corrie. That is just shock tactics to generate viewing figures...dont make it right though. I dont think having two guys kissing on a tv advert is relevant to anything, its just there to shock!
This kind of tv would have never been allowed even 10 years ago, but peoples attitudes have changed, and I do not know if that is a good thing or a bad thing if honest.

25 Jun 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
When I first saw it I was shocked... Cant explain why but I was....
To be honest I am not surprised it has been withdrawn.... In fact I was only discussing it today with a customer about the fact that I was very liberal in my approach to life but this was a little too close to the edge for my liking...

Agreed. Now I am not no prude and live and let live and all that but...I think it is unacceptable. The tv companies always seem to want to push the boundaries further and further. What is not acceptable today become acceptable tomorrow.
I remember the " kissing " scenes in Eastenders and Corrie. That is just shock tactics to generate viewing figures...dont make it right though. I dont think having two guys kissing on a tv advert is relevant to anything, its just there to shock!
This kind of tv would have never been allowed even 10 years ago, but peoples attitudes have changed, and I do not know if that is a good thing or a bad thing if honest.
Anything that helps society accept displays of affection regardless of who is doing it has to be a good thing surely?
Why is it acceptable to have a women/man give a quick kiss to another man/women, but it isn't acceptable for a same sex partner to do the same?
Actually I know the reason, and we have the church to thank for that little bit of humanity.
How about we forget the sex and just see two human beings being affectionate to one another, even if it is to sell some mayonnaise?

25 Jun 2008

Quote by Peanut
When I first saw it I was shocked... Cant explain why but I was....
To be honest I am not surprised it has been withdrawn.... In fact I was only discussing it today with a customer about the fact that I was very liberal in my approach to life but this was a little too close to the edge for my liking...

Agreed. Now I am not no prude and live and let live and all that but...I think it is unacceptable. The tv companies always seem to want to push the boundaries further and further. What is not acceptable today become acceptable tomorrow.
I remember the " kissing " scenes in Eastenders and Corrie. That is just shock tactics to generate viewing figures...dont make it right though. I dont think having two guys kissing on a tv advert is relevant to anything, its just there to shock!
This kind of tv would have never been allowed even 10 years ago, but peoples attitudes have changed, and I do not know if that is a good thing or a bad thing if honest.
Anything that helps society accept displays of affection regardless of who is doing it has to be a good thing surely?
Why is it acceptable to have a women/man give a quick kiss to another man/women, but it isn't acceptable for a same sex partner to do the same?
Actually I know the reason, and we have the church to thank for that little bit of humanity.
How about we forget the sex and just see two human beings being affectionate to one another, even if it is to sell some mayonnaise?
Sorry dont agree. Society in general still does not accept it...thats a fact. lol

25 Jun 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
When I first saw it I was shocked... Cant explain why but I was....
To be honest I am not surprised it has been withdrawn.... In fact I was only discussing it today with a customer about the fact that I was very liberal in my approach to life but this was a little too close to the edge for my liking...

Agreed. Now I am not no prude and live and let live and all that but...I think it is unacceptable. The tv companies always seem to want to push the boundaries further and further. What is not acceptable today become acceptable tomorrow.
I remember the " kissing " scenes in Eastenders and Corrie. That is just shock tactics to generate viewing figures...dont make it right though. I dont think having two guys kissing on a tv advert is relevant to anything, its just there to shock!
This kind of tv would have never been allowed even 10 years ago, but peoples attitudes have changed, and I do not know if that is a good thing or a bad thing if honest.
Anything that helps society accept displays of affection regardless of who is doing it has to be a good thing surely?
Why is it acceptable to have a women/man give a quick kiss to another man/women, but it isn't acceptable for a same sex partner to do the same?
Actually I know the reason, and we have the church to thank for that little bit of humanity.
How about we forget the sex and just see two human beings being affectionate to one another, even if it is to sell some mayonnaise?
Sorry dont agree. Society in general still does not accept it...thats a fact. lol

That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.

25 Jun 2008

Quote by Peanut
When I first saw it I was shocked... Cant explain why but I was....
To be honest I am not surprised it has been withdrawn.... In fact I was only discussing it today with a customer about the fact that I was very liberal in my approach to life but this was a little too close to the edge for my liking...

Agreed. Now I am not no prude and live and let live and all that but...I think it is unacceptable. The tv companies always seem to want to push the boundaries further and further. What is not acceptable today become acceptable tomorrow.
I remember the " kissing " scenes in Eastenders and Corrie. That is just shock tactics to generate viewing figures...dont make it right though. I dont think having two guys kissing on a tv advert is relevant to anything, its just there to shock!
This kind of tv would have never been allowed even 10 years ago, but peoples attitudes have changed, and I do not know if that is a good thing or a bad thing if honest.
Anything that helps society accept displays of affection regardless of who is doing it has to be a good thing surely?
Why is it acceptable to have a women/man give a quick kiss to another man/women, but it isn't acceptable for a same sex partner to do the same?
Actually I know the reason, and we have the church to thank for that little bit of humanity.
How about we forget the sex and just see two human beings being affectionate to one another, even if it is to sell some mayonnaise?
Sorry dont agree. Society in general still does not accept it...thats a fact. lol

That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain.It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.
:thumbup:

26 Jun 2008

Quote by Phuckers
Today heinz withdrew their new advert that featured two men kissing,the advertisement regulator received about 200 complaints.

among the complaint said the advert was offensive and appropriate to see two men kissing,others said it was unsuitable to be seen by children and that it raised the difficult problem of parents having to discuss the issue of same sex relationship with younger viewers.
is this a sign of political correctness gone mad or what?...whats your take!

Personally I think this ad is quite amusing. I cannot see anything wrong with it, but you're right it could be 'political correctness gone mad'. Why do I think this?
Fundamentally 'political correctness' is flawed because it doesn't have a clear and precis philosophy, and ends up tying itself in knots often coming to contradictory conclusions. The banning of this ad, I think, is one more example of confused thinking.
cool

26 Jun 2008

Have seen the ad quite a few times and TBH I didn't see anything wrong with it.... dunno

26 Jun 2008

Wow.. what a great thread! ive just sat and read every page!! all i can say is that wether we agree with it or not... the advertisers have done there job doesnt matter how long it was on air for it got the attention.. everyone is talking about it for either good or bad reasons, and thats what advertising is about...
on the other level, my only concern was that if i was an 'innocent' which of course i am, i would be slightly confussed as to why they are calling him mam.. but apart from that its just another side of humanity.. good work for heinz they have recognised that life is nt two point four kids, mum and dad, mum in apron dad at work anymore.. life is what it is.. warts and all.. and to pull it was silly but i guess they got what they wanted... a reaction.
rolleyes

my two pence .xxxx
furby xx

26 Jun 2008

Quote by Steve
Have seen the ad quite a few times and TBH I didn't see anything wrong with it....

is that all you can say after pestering and trying to suffocate an opinion from me???

26 Jun 2008

Quote by Phuckers
Have seen the ad quite a few times and TBH I didn't see anything wrong with it....

i that all you can say after pestering and trying to suffocate an opinion from me???
Yes :-)

26 Jun 2008

Ok, so we have a humorous advert for (New York) style Deli mayonnaise, featuring a stereotypical New York Deli sandwich maker, talking in the thickest Brooklyn accent this side of an episode of Kojack and making fresh Deli style lunches. We have him playing Mum, showing that mums can make fresh deli style sandwiches every bit as good as the real thing, with the help of Heinnz and a dollop of mayonnaise. Implying that when mum uses Heines, it’s just like having your own sandwich chef in the kitchen and no one can tell the difference. All reinforced by the use of the word mum and the kiss.
Am I offended? Yes. The husband is clearly cheating on his wife with his gay American lover and has cunningly brainwashed his children into thinking this disgusting display of affection is both acceptable and to be encouraged.
Now, gimme a Tomato and Pastrami on Rye with extra mayo… to go.
Taxie!!!!
I bet the add men are loving this lol

26 Jun 2008

Quote by Stormwalker
Ok, so we have a humorous advert for (New York) style Deli mayonnaise, featuring a stereotypical New York Deli sandwich maker, talking in the thickest Brooklyn accent this side of an episode of Kojack and making fresh Deli style lunches. We have him playing Mum, showing that mums can make fresh deli style sandwiches every bit as good as the real thing, with the help of Heinnz and a dollop of mayonnaise. Implying that when mum uses Heines, it’s just like having your own sandwich chef in the kitchen and no one can tell the difference. All reinforced by the use of the word mum and the kiss.
Am I offended? Yes. The husband is clearly cheating on his wife with his gay American lover and has cunningly brainwashed his children into thinking this disgusting display of affection is both acceptable and to be encouraged.
Now, gimme a Tomato and Pastrami on Rye with extra mayo… to go.
Taxie!!!!
I bet the add men are loving this

ha ha fair point,but they might be adopted kids

26 Jun 2008

Quote by Phuckers
Ok, so we have a humorous advert for (New York) style Deli mayonnaise, featuring a stereotypical New York Deli sandwich maker, talking in the thickest Brooklyn accent this side of an episode of Kojack and making fresh Deli style lunches. We have him playing Mum, showing that mums can make fresh deli style sandwiches every bit as good as the real thing, with the help of Heinnz and a dollop of mayonnaise. Implying that when mum uses Heines, it’s just like having your own sandwich chef in the kitchen and no one can tell the difference. All reinforced by the use of the word mum and the kiss.
Am I offended? Yes. The husband is clearly cheating on his wife with his gay American lover and has cunningly brainwashed his children into thinking this disgusting display of affection is both acceptable and to be encouraged.
Now, gimme a Tomato and Pastrami on Rye with extra mayo… to go.
Taxie!!!!
I bet the add men are loving this

ha ha fair point,but they might be adopted kids
I blame social services.

26 Jun 2008

Quote by Stormwalker
I blame social services.

And why shouldn't you... everybody else does biggrin

26 Jun 2008

Quote by Peanut
When I first saw it I was shocked... Cant explain why but I was....
To be honest I am not surprised it has been withdrawn.... In fact I was only discussing it today with a customer about the fact that I was very liberal in my approach to life but this was a little too close to the edge for my liking...

Agreed. Now I am not no prude and live and let live and all that but...I think it is unacceptable. The tv companies always seem to want to push the boundaries further and further. What is not acceptable today become acceptable tomorrow.
I remember the " kissing " scenes in Eastenders and Corrie. That is just shock tactics to generate viewing figures...dont make it right though. I dont think having two guys kissing on a tv advert is relevant to anything, its just there to shock!
This kind of tv would have never been allowed even 10 years ago, but peoples attitudes have changed, and I do not know if that is a good thing or a bad thing if honest.
Anything that helps society accept displays of affection regardless of who is doing it has to be a good thing surely?
Why is it acceptable to have a women/man give a quick kiss to another man/women, but it isn't acceptable for a same sex partner to do the same?
Actually I know the reason, and we have the church to thank for that little bit of humanity.
How about we forget the sex and just see two human beings being affectionate to one another, even if it is to sell some mayonnaise?
Sorry dont agree. Society in general still does not accept it...thats a fact. lol

That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.
And that is where society has gone wrong. Why should people have to accept anything just because it is " politically correct " to do so.
Where does one draw the line? A few years ago this kind of advert would never ever have been shown, now it seems acceptable. What next? Two guys simulating sex on an advert? :shock:
I do not agree with this kind of thing on national tv in an advert...but of course that is only my opinion. :lol:

26 Jun 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
When I first saw it I was shocked... Cant explain why but I was....
To be honest I am not surprised it has been withdrawn.... In fact I was only discussing it today with a customer about the fact that I was very liberal in my approach to life but this was a little too close to the edge for my liking...

Agreed. Now I am not no prude and live and let live and all that but...I think it is unacceptable. The tv companies always seem to want to push the boundaries further and further. What is not acceptable today become acceptable tomorrow.
I remember the " kissing " scenes in Eastenders and Corrie. That is just shock tactics to generate viewing figures...dont make it right though. I dont think having two guys kissing on a tv advert is relevant to anything, its just there to shock!
This kind of tv would have never been allowed even 10 years ago, but peoples attitudes have changed, and I do not know if that is a good thing or a bad thing if honest.
Anything that helps society accept displays of affection regardless of who is doing it has to be a good thing surely?
Why is it acceptable to have a women/man give a quick kiss to another man/women, but it isn't acceptable for a same sex partner to do the same?
Actually I know the reason, and we have the church to thank for that little bit of humanity.
How about we forget the sex and just see two human beings being affectionate to one another, even if it is to sell some mayonnaise?
Sorry dont agree. Society in general still does not accept it...thats a fact. lol

That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.
And that is where society has gone wrong. Why should people have to accept anything just because it is " politically correct " to do so.
Where does one draw the line? A few years ago this kind of advert would never ever have been shown, now it seems acceptable. What next? Two guys simulating sex on an advert? :shock:
I do not agree with this kind of thing on national tv in an advert...but of course that is only my opinion. :lol:
I don't like to see any sexual displays in ad's. However, there should be a blanket rule. If a guy & girl are allowed to be shown naked & smooching in an ad, two guys or two girls should be too. Anything other than that is prejudicial.

26 Jun 2008

i think they messed up with the advert with the ending. Yes it might have caused a stir, and be memorable,but they wont be showing it... except perhaps on editions of It will be alright on the night or Tarrants TV'(and the like).
ok, the kiss didnt have any tongues BUT surely a bit of innuendo would have been better.
should it be shown.........????? in my view only after the watershed.
p.s sorry for my outburst on your thread Phuckers

26 Jun 2008

Quote by winchwench
When I first saw it I was shocked... Cant explain why but I was....
To be honest I am not surprised it has been withdrawn.... In fact I was only discussing it today with a customer about the fact that I was very liberal in my approach to life but this was a little too close to the edge for my liking...

Agreed. Now I am not no prude and live and let live and all that but...I think it is unacceptable. The tv companies always seem to want to push the boundaries further and further. What is not acceptable today become acceptable tomorrow.
I remember the " kissing " scenes in Eastenders and Corrie. That is just shock tactics to generate viewing figures...dont make it right though. I dont think having two guys kissing on a tv advert is relevant to anything, its just there to shock!
This kind of tv would have never been allowed even 10 years ago, but peoples attitudes have changed, and I do not know if that is a good thing or a bad thing if honest.
Anything that helps society accept displays of affection regardless of who is doing it has to be a good thing surely?
Why is it acceptable to have a women/man give a quick kiss to another man/women, but it isn't acceptable for a same sex partner to do the same?
Actually I know the reason, and we have the church to thank for that little bit of humanity.
How about we forget the sex and just see two human beings being affectionate to one another, even if it is to sell some mayonnaise?
Sorry dont agree. Society in general still does not accept it...thats a fact. lol

That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.
And that is where society has gone wrong. Why should people have to accept anything just because it is " politically correct " to do so.
Where does one draw the line? A few years ago this kind of advert would never ever have been shown, now it seems acceptable. What next? Two guys simulating sex on an advert? :shock:
I do not agree with this kind of thing on national tv in an advert...but of course that is only my opinion. :lol:
I don't like to see any sexual displays in ad's. However, there should be a blanket rule. If a guy & girl are allowed to be shown naked & smooching in an ad, two guys or two girls should be too. Anything other than that is prejudicial.
Men and women have been seen kissing since the begining of time. Certainly on films and tv since its conception. Two guys kissing has only been a recent shock tactic. Not talking about two girls as the advert we are talking about was not showing girls.
I would like to know why it seems acceptable to see guys kissing on tv before the watershed? People can say what they like but for me it is political correctness!
I have nothing against guys kissing but dont really want it thrust in my face at that time of night with me kids about thankyou. As I have already said what next?

26 Jun 2008

what next eh..... all people being treated equally in everyday life as well as their own homes? that would be f@@kin awful. I won't stand for it me.
All this unnaturalness should be kept behind closed doors, like it used to be in the good old days.
I don't mind weird people as long as they keep themselves to themselves.. and certainly not in front of the children, what if they catch it?

26 Jun 2008

Quote by splendid_
what next eh..... all people being treated equally in everyday life as well as their own homes? that would be f@@kin awful. I won't stand for it me.
All this unnaturalness should be kept behind closed doors, like it used to be in the good old days.
I don't mind weird people as long as they keep themselves to themselves.. and certainly not in front of the children, what if they catch it?

Nice pants.

26 Jun 2008

don't like mayo
lp

26 Jun 2008

Quote by kentswingers777

That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.

And that is where society has gone wrong. Why should people have to accept anything just because it is " politically correct " to do so.

Have to accept? Why do gay guys "have to accept" the fact that they cannot make a display of public affection without reactions like yours?
So what you are actually are saying is that we should accept what you find acceptable? It's only relatively recently (over the last couple of hundred years) that same sex displays aren't considered acceptable. as I said earlier you have the church to blame for your non-accepting attitude. rolleyes

Where does one draw the line? A few years ago this kind of advert would never ever have been shown, now it seems acceptable. What next? Two guys simulating sex on an advert? :shock:

Draw the line at what? Two guys having a closed mouth kiss? Call in the Obscene Publications Squad why don't you, a line has been crossed that should never have been!
What next? Why shouldn't two guys bee seen simulating sex, after all we have men and women simulating sex on screen in adverts.

I do not agree with this kind of thing on national tv in an advert...but of course that is only my opinion.

That would a homophobic opinion then?

26 Jun 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
When I first saw it I was shocked... Cant explain why but I was....
To be honest I am not surprised it has been withdrawn.... In fact I was only discussing it today with a customer about the fact that I was very liberal in my approach to life but this was a little too close to the edge for my liking...

Agreed. Now I am not no prude and live and let live and all that but...I think it is unacceptable. The tv companies always seem to want to push the boundaries further and further. What is not acceptable today become acceptable tomorrow.
I remember the " kissing " scenes in Eastenders and Corrie. That is just shock tactics to generate viewing figures...dont make it right though. I dont think having two guys kissing on a tv advert is relevant to anything, its just there to shock!
This kind of tv would have never been allowed even 10 years ago, but peoples attitudes have changed, and I do not know if that is a good thing or a bad thing if honest.
Anything that helps society accept displays of affection regardless of who is doing it has to be a good thing surely?
Why is it acceptable to have a women/man give a quick kiss to another man/women, but it isn't acceptable for a same sex partner to do the same?
Actually I know the reason, and we have the church to thank for that little bit of humanity.
How about we forget the sex and just see two human beings being affectionate to one another, even if it is to sell some mayonnaise?
Sorry dont agree. Society in general still does not accept it...thats a fact. lol

That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.
And that is where society has gone wrong. Why should people have to accept anything just because it is " politically correct " to do so.
Where does one draw the line? A few years ago this kind of advert would never ever have been shown, now it seems acceptable. What next? Two guys simulating sex on an advert? :shock:
I do not agree with this kind of thing on national tv in an advert...but of course that is only my opinion. :lol:
I don't like to see any sexual displays in ad's. However, there should be a blanket rule. If a guy & girl are allowed to be shown naked & smooching in an ad, two guys or two girls should be too. Anything other than that is prejudicial.
Men and women have been seen kissing since the begining of time. Certainly on films and tv since its conception. Two guys kissing has only been a recent shock tactic. Perhaps it has been used as a shock tactic, just as way back when the first hetro kiss was shown would have shocked people then. Not talking about two girls as the advert we are talking about was not showing girls. I know that, thank you. I was advocating equality. Do you feel that if it had been two girls, it would have been ok? But only if they were fit...
I would like to know why it seems acceptable to see guys kissing on tv before the watershed? If it's acceptable for straight people, it's acceptable for gays. Otherwise we would be saying that gays are less worthy than straight people, and we all know thats homophobic bullshit, right? People can say what they like but for me it is political correctness! Political correctness or shock tactics? Or do you think it's both?
I have nothing against guys kissing but dont really want it thrust in my face at that time of night with me kids about thankyou. Well lets hope that none of your kids ever turn to you and say "Now I've come out as gay, I'm curious. Why do you think people continue to not accept me & my kind?" As I have already said what next? Equality? Lets hope so!

26 Jun 2008

Quote by DeeCee
i think they messed up with the advert with the ending. Yes it might have caused a stir, and be memorable,but they wont be showing it... except perhaps on editions of It will be alright on the night or Tarrants TV'(and the like).
ok, the kiss didnt have any tongues BUT surely a bit of innuendo would have been better.
should it be shown.........????? in my view only after the watershed.
p.s sorry for my outburst on your thread Phuckers

thats cool Deecee,no need to apologise its a public forum

26 Jun 2008

Quote by Peanut

That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.

And that is where society has gone wrong. Why should people have to accept anything just because it is " politically correct " to do so.

Have to accept? Why do gay guys "have to accept" the fact that they cannot make a display of public affection without reactions like yours?
So what you are actually are saying is that we should accept what you find acceptable? It's only relatively recently (over the last couple of hundred years) that same sex displays aren't considered acceptable. as I said earlier you have the church to blame for your non-accepting attitude. rolleyes

Where does one draw the line? A few years ago this kind of advert would never ever have been shown, now it seems acceptable. What next? Two guys simulating sex on an advert? :shock:

Draw the line at what? Two guys having a closed mouth kiss? Call in the Obscene Publications Squad why don't you, a line has been crossed that should never have been!
What next? Why shouldn't two guys bee seen simulating sex, after all we have men and women simulating sex on screen in adverts.

I do not agree with this kind of thing on national tv in an advert...but of course that is only my opinion.

That would a homophobic opinion then?
DONT twist things. I always say it is my opinion!! Because I think something I would never expect people to accept my opinion and not their own.
Also dont throw the homophobic crap either. I have already said I am fine with live and let live, and am NOT homophobic. I dont have a problem with gay guys and never have had. I have given MY opinion on an advert for which I think is unacceptable before the watershed...period.
I respect your opinion as you should respect mine....no ?

26 Jun 2008

Quote by kentswingers777

That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.

And that is where society has gone wrong. Why should people have to accept anything just because it is " politically correct " to do so.

Have to accept? Why do gay guys "have to accept" the fact that they cannot make a display of public affection without reactions like yours?
So what you are actually are saying is that we should accept what you find acceptable? It's only relatively recently (over the last couple of hundred years) that same sex displays aren't considered acceptable. as I said earlier you have the church to blame for your non-accepting attitude. rolleyes

Where does one draw the line? A few years ago this kind of advert would never ever have been shown, now it seems acceptable. What next? Two guys simulating sex on an advert? :shock:

Draw the line at what? Two guys having a closed mouth kiss? Call in the Obscene Publications Squad why don't you, a line has been crossed that should never have been!
What next? Why shouldn't two guys bee seen simulating sex, after all we have men and women simulating sex on screen in adverts.

I do not agree with this kind of thing on national tv in an advert...but of course that is only my opinion.

That would a homophobic opinion then?
DONT twist things. I always say it is my opinion!! Because I think something I would never expect people to accept my opinion and not their own.
Also dont throw the homophobic crap either. I have already said I am fine with live and let live, and am NOT homophobic. I dont have a problem with gay guys and never have had. I have given MY opinion on an advert for which I think is unacceptable before the watershed...period.
I respect your opinion as you should respect mine....no ?
You did see the question mark on the end didn't you? To all intents and purposes the opinion you were passing seemed to me to be homophobic. I was asking you if that was the case. You've now answered that.
What I don't understand though, because you haven't explained why, is why a chaste kiss between two men shouldn't be on before the watershed when it's patently obvious that a similar kiss between a man and a woman would be at home in a kids program about Mum and Dad much less in an advert.
What I don't understand is the dichotomy of not having a problem with gay guys but quite obviously you having a problem if they demonstrate minimal gestures of affection.
I understand that by referring to the watershed you mean that it's more accurate to state that you have a problem with kids seeing this horrendous display of affection.
Any chance of enlightening me as to how this could harm our kids? Just your opinion of course.

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Peanut

That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.

And that is where society has gone wrong. Why should people have to accept anything just because it is " politically correct " to do so.

Have to accept? Why do gay guys "have to accept" the fact that they cannot make a display of public affection without reactions like yours?
So what you are actually are saying is that we should accept what you find acceptable? It's only relatively recently (over the last couple of hundred years) that same sex displays aren't considered acceptable. as I said earlier you have the church to blame for your non-accepting attitude. rolleyes

Where does one draw the line? A few years ago this kind of advert would never ever have been shown, now it seems acceptable. What next? Two guys simulating sex on an advert? :shock:

Draw the line at what? Two guys having a closed mouth kiss? Call in the Obscene Publications Squad why don't you, a line has been crossed that should never have been!
What next? Why shouldn't two guys bee seen simulating sex, after all we have men and women simulating sex on screen in adverts.

I do not agree with this kind of thing on national tv in an advert...but of course that is only my opinion.

That would a homophobic opinion then?
DONT twist things. I always say it is my opinion!! Because I think something I would never expect people to accept my opinion and not their own.
Also dont throw the homophobic crap either. I have already said I am fine with live and let live, and am NOT homophobic. I dont have a problem with gay guys and never have had. I have given MY opinion on an advert for which I think is unacceptable before the watershed...period.
I respect your opinion as you should respect mine....no ?
You did see the question mark on the end didn't you? To all intents and purposes the opinion you were passing seemed to me to be homophobic. I was asking you if that was the case. You've now answered that.
What I don't understand though, because you haven't explained why, is why a chaste kiss between two men shouldn't be on before the watershed when it's patently obvious that a similar kiss between a man and a woman would be at home in a kids program about Mum and Dad much less in an advert.
What I don't understand is the dichotomy of not having a problem with gay guys but quite obviously you having a problem if they demonstrate minimal gestures of affection.
I understand that by referring to the watershed you mean that it's more accurate to state that you have a problem with kids seeing this horrendous display of affection.
Any chance of enlightening me as to how this could harm our kids? Just your opinion of course.
Every parents has a duty and responsibility to look after their children its also their right to monitor what the children are watching, doing on computers or when they are in school we expect the teachers carry on the duty of if some company come up with advert that parents feel is not appropriate for theirs kids to watch, they have every right to voice their protest.
kentswingers777 has clearly stated that he doesnt have a problem with gay people kissing on TV but he would prefer if his children dont watch it.....
How could that harm our kids
A large percentange of men turn gay after they've had previous family life and raised children of there own,its every parents dream that their children will grow up to be involved in this family circle but if they turned up to be gay no big deal,we have to accept it and life goes go...