Hiding fags under the counter?

10 Dec 2008

Quote by Peanut
Kids start smoking because they think it makes them look grown-up. Where do they get that idea from? Could it perhaps be the fact they see grown-ups smoking. The rationale being that grown-ups must know what they are doing so smoking must be okay.
As for the whinging and whining about alcohol being treated differently, well as the old joke goes... you don't see drinkers in a pub pissing on each other.
As for smokers being 'lepers' in contemporary society, well great. They should be. You make a choice to smoke, I make a choice to not smoke. Unfortunately when you smoke you blow it into the air non-smokers use. That makes you selfish and uncaring about other people's choices. So if you have to stand out in the cold, tough, get thicker socks, or better still have the balls to quit and come into the warm with the rest of us non-smokers.

Glad to know that you are obviously as selfish as me.

I wouldn't know as I can't remember ever driving my car in an enclosed space such as a pub or a restaurant. I try to avoid it if at all possible and try to leave the car in the car park. :roll:

So I presume you drive or have driven? If that is the case did you bother to think about people breathing in YOUR cars fumes, whilst you sit in traffic? Because if you believe the hype the car is the worst polluter. So if you did or do drive, would you stop to save the planet or your fellow mans health?

As it happens the info I've seen states that cow farts are the single biggest problem with regard to the greenhouse efffect.
As for the planet, who told you that it was in danger? The planet is perfectly fine, it's the human race that's fucked.

No of course you would not because like smokers and drivers we do it NOT because we have too, but because we enjoy it. And I do not expect to get ostrisized because i smoke or drive my car. The expression "live in glass house" springs to mind.

You smoke because you have to. It's as simple as that. You do it because you are addicted. No-one with any degree of rationality sits there setting light to £5 notes then leans back and says "I enjoyed that".
Feel free to make as many excuses as you like to yourself. I'm sure all those taxes you've paid on your ciggies will come in handy when you end up on the cancer or cardiac wards. I wonder what your hindsight rationalisation will be then?
Well if ever I heard a cop out arguement as an answer, then that is it. lol

I will no doubt be in the next bed to a heavy drinker with liver failure, or somebody who has lost both legs in a bike crash or.... We all make choices in life, what I DONT like is people making choices for me....period.

10 Dec 2008

Quote by Peanut

I took DG's comment to mean it was her choice to smoke outside her own house, Of course its not a choice to stand outside a pub its a law
And I do not need to ask my parents I already know the answer,

As we were talking about pubs at the time I took her answer to refer to pubs, hence my comment.
Out of interest why do your parents choose to smoke outside their own home?
Because when I was 6 my mother and me watched the neighbours die in a house fire caused by smoking

10 Dec 2008

Quote by kentswingers777

The pub trade is on it's knees a lot because of the smoking ban, ask any publican.

Then they are speaking bollocks. The pub trade was going downhill for years. People are no longer doing what people done in the 50's, 60's and 70's. In those decades they used to piss it up and thats about it. From the eighties onwards TV got better, videos and dvd's were invented, the pizza was delivered, blokes started to like to spend time with their families lol

, etc. So as well as peoples hbits changing, the pub trade started to price themselves out of it, in relation to rent.
Dave_Notts
So you are now an expert in publicans opinions? dunno

I think that comment is without foundation. I know of three publicans who say their sales have dropped hugely since the smoking ban was introduced....fact.
The smoking ban was the final nail in a large coffin for many publicans. Pubs on a Fri and Sat night are nowhere near as full as they were before the ban. I really think you should find and speak to a publican, before you make rash opinions. wink

So "any" publican has now become the three you know.
I have worked in an arena where I have watched the coming and goings of publicans for the ten years prior to the smoking ban. I have watched the turn over of publicans and the demise of social clubs and public houses. I speak to publicans (when at work) at least twice a week. So it was not a rash judgement..........and the comment on "ask any publican" is still bollocks.
Peanut mentioned the down turn in beer sales and these were way before the smoking ban. So that has put your three publicans opinion up in smoke :lol:
Dave_Notts

10 Dec 2008

Quote by Peanut

Presumably you smoke?

I do... yes.
I was mostly smacking my forehead because of your earlier post. I've smoked since I was 13. Yes... that's 22 years. If I could go back and do it all over again knowing what I know now then I would most likely not make that same choice.
However, I didn't make that choice because I thought it made me look grown up or cause it was cool. I did it in secret outwith the view of anyone else so who would that be pretending I'm grown up or cool in front of?
My parents both smoked when I was little. My brother and I nagged them to stop. They did. Now we both smoke so in my case that blows your theory.

Not particularly. I used to smoke, my ex-wife has never smoked. My eldest daughter doesn't smoke, my youngest daughter does.
And the person you were pretending to be grown up to... was you.
So really there's no logic to your theory that kids see grown ups smoking and assume it's the cool "grown up" thing to do then?
And are you judging me by your own experience in that you pretended that you were cool and grown up when you began to smoke at 10? dunno

I can assure you... there was no grown up thing going on with me but I'm going to choose not to go into my reasons behind starting smoking.

Quote by Peanut

As for being a social leper, I've had some of my best conversations outside with my fellow lepers, I have no issues with that. In fact, I've never smoked indoors. I own my flat. I live here alone. There is no-one else here to pass my filthy habit on to. However, I choose to smoke outside. That's my choice. I'm a considerate smoker. I don't smoke around non-smokers when I can help it and I'm fairly anal about brushing my teeth after a ciggie when I am spending time with a non-smoker.

You choose to smoke outside? Presumably that choice coincided with the change in the law?
No... another incorrect assumption. I've smoked outdoors since I started at 13. Ahead of my time perhaps! wink

Quote by Peanut
"when I can help it"? Does this mean you are forced to do it on occasion?

No... this means that when I have people who do not smoke in my car for example, I choose not to smoke. It's called manners! :wink:

Quote by Peanut
From my own experiences and from my own observations things like cleaning one's teeth, perfume etc is not truly for the non-smoker's benefit. It's for the smoker's benefit with regard to their own image that they are portraying. They want themselves to look good.

Again perhaps you're judging me by your own standards. I don't really have issues about wanting to look good in front of others but I have a bit of consideration for the non-smoker who wouldn't choose to kiss an ashtray. :wink:

Quote by Peanut

I've given up a few times. The problem is, I like smoking so tend to go back to it. I like the art of smoking a cigarette. I'm not whinging about having to stand out in the cold to indulge in my habit, I do that through choice. I don't compare smoking to drinking or anything else for that matter, it is of no consequence to me. So if I feel the urge to roll my eyes a little at the total generalisation that you've made with your earlier post you'll have to either like it or lump it I'm afraid.

"I like smoking" is the single most used rationalisation there is for the inability to give up.
I smoked from the age of 10 (though only regularly from the age of 17) through to the age of 33. been there done that, got the nicotine stains on the fingers and the wallpaper.
Fortunately I've looked after my fingers and there is no trace of nicotine. It is possible and due to the fact that I don't smoke in my house I don't have wallpaper issues! :wink:

Quote by Peanut

Opinion is one thing, judgement is something else completely. :wink:

And smoking these days with the facts freely available and the costs clearly posted is what any intelligent person would consider to be bad judgement rather than a bad opinion.
Yes but that's MY judgement to make for me. I'm not judging you for being an ex smoker. :wink:

10 Dec 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
Well if ever I heard a cop out arguement as an answer, then that is it.

Nope, not a cop out at all, or have you heard me complaining about smokers who smoke outside?
The comments have been about non-smokers having to inhale the fumes of smokers in enclosed spaces, not about outside when the fumes are very much diluted and pose no real health risk from passive smoking. So my humour was actually relevant to the discussion at hand. It's your petrol fume riposte that was an attempt to direct attention away from the selfishness of the smoker.

I will no doubt be in the next bed to a heavy drinker with liver failure, or somebody who has lost both legs in a bike crash or.... We all make choices in life, what I DONT like is people making choices for me....period.

Perhaps you should examine actuarial statistics before jumping to conclusions. In my experience of hospital wards (which is admittedly out of date) smoking-related illnesses were always far more common that drinking ones... unless one counts the casualty at midnight on a Saturday night!
And from what I see no-one is making any choices for you. You are still free to smoke should you wish to. Though having been on both sides of the smokey curtain I don't understand why someone would voluntary continue to smoke. And I'm sorry I don't believe anyone who says "I enjoy it".

10 Dec 2008

I enjoy it rolleyes

10 Dec 2008

*Lights up*

10 Dec 2008

Quote by Peanut
Well if ever I heard a cop out arguement as an answer, then that is it.

Nope, not a cop out at all, or have you heard me complaining about smokers who smoke outside?
The comments have been about non-smokers having to inhale the fumes of smokers in enclosed spaces, not about outside when the fumes are very much diluted and pose no real health risk from passive smoking. So my humour was actually relevant to the discussion at hand. It's your petrol fume riposte that was an attempt to direct attention away from the selfishness of the smoker.

I will no doubt be in the next bed to a heavy drinker with liver failure, or somebody who has lost both legs in a bike crash or.... We all make choices in life, what I DONT like is people making choices for me....period.

Perhaps you should examine actuarial statistics before jumping to conclusions. In my experience of hospital wards (which is admittedly out of date) smoking-related illnesses were always far more common that drinking ones... unless one counts the casualty at midnight on a Saturday night!
And from what I see no-one is making any choices for you. You are still free to smoke should you wish to. Though having been on both sides of the smokey curtain I don't understand why someone would voluntary continue to smoke. And I'm sorry I don't believe anyone who says "I enjoy it".
Because they want to. A bit like I choose to ride a fast and powerful motorbike, knowing the dangers that entails....I choose too.
The worst kind of people on a subject like this, always seems to be the people who " used " to smoke. Nothing as bad as a reformed smoker I guess. Good luck to you if you have given up but....Don't ever knock others for doing something you used to do. In my book that is being a bit of a hypocrite.
But for me bottom line is I know that if I continue to smoke it will no doubt either lead to my death or help it on it's way. I know that as other smokers do but.....at this stage it is a choice I make. I still cannot understand for the life of me, how hiding them under a counter will work though.
But as always your comments are valid and have lots of foundations.

10 Dec 2008

Quote by Dirtygirlie
*Lights up*

Joining ya :twisted:

10 Dec 2008

I'm with Peanut on this one. :thumbup: The choice to smoke has not been removed either by the smoking ban or the latest idea to hide the ciggies away from public view.
Anything that will reduce the chances of someone taking up smoking whilst not making it illegal has got to be a good thing.
My choice to breathe air not polluted by passive smoke in confined public space was taken away from me by smokers for the majority of my life, fortunatly unlike poor Roy Castle the cost to me being forced to inhale passive smoke only resulted in smelly clothes.

10 Dec 2008

Hiding it under the counter will not stop smoking. Banning smoking in enclosed public places will not stop smoking. Banning cigarette advertisments will not stop smoking.
Roll them all up together and it will reduce the number of smokers there are. And since the 70's.....this number has been dropping dramatically. One day it will be so low that smoking will be banned or people just stop doing it
Dave_Notts

10 Dec 2008

Quote by Dirtygirlie

Presumably you smoke?

I do... yes.
I was mostly smacking my forehead because of your earlier post. I've smoked since I was 13. Yes... that's 22 years. If I could go back and do it all over again knowing what I know now then I would most likely not make that same choice.
However, I didn't make that choice because I thought it made me look grown up or cause it was cool. I did it in secret outwith the view of anyone else so who would that be pretending I'm grown up or cool in front of?
My parents both smoked when I was little. My brother and I nagged them to stop. They did. Now we both smoke so in my case that blows your theory.

Not particularly. I used to smoke, my ex-wife has never smoked. My eldest daughter doesn't smoke, my youngest daughter does.
And the person you were pretending to be grown up to... was you.
So really there's no logic to your theory that kids see grown ups smoking and assume it's the cool "grown up" thing to do then?

It's not my theory. It's an accepted theory by the medical fraternity. It's also a generalisation rather than something that is meant to affect everyone. Just the majority.

And are you judging me by your own experience in that you pretended that you were cool and grown up when you began to smoke at 10?

I'm not judging you full stop. I'm making presumptions based on likelihoods.
As it happens my smoking was never down to peer pressure. As an autistic I was a loner who didn't give a shit about what my peers or anyone else thought.
At 10 I did it out of curiosity. At 17 I started due my then literal belief in things. It was, at the time, generally accepted that smoking was a stress reliever. I believed it. I started smoking at a very stressful time in my life just after I joined the Navy.
So no I wasn't using my own experiences to make assumptions.

I can assure you... there was no grown up thing going on with me but I'm going to choose not to go into my reasons behind starting smoking.

I don't disbelieve you as such then you are the exception rather than the rule.

As for being a social leper, I've had some of my best conversations outside with my fellow lepers, I have no issues with that. In fact, I've never smoked indoors. I own my flat. I live here alone. There is no-one else here to pass my filthy habit on to. However, I choose to smoke outside. That's my choice. I'm a considerate smoker. I don't smoke around non-smokers when I can help it and I'm fairly anal about brushing my teeth after a ciggie when I am spending time with a non-smoker.

You choose to smoke outside? Presumably that choice coincided with the change in the law?
No... another incorrect assumption. I've smoked outdoors since I started at 13. Ahead of my time perhaps! wink

Not an assumption, just a quip.

"when I can help it"? Does this mean you are forced to do it on occasion?

No... this means that when I have people who do not smoke in my car for example, I choose not to smoke. It's called manners! :wink:

So during a restaurant meal, or in the pub you would go outside to lit up?
No need to answer that as both of us know that your answer wouldn't be believed even if it were the truth.

From my own experiences and from my own observations things like cleaning one's teeth, perfume etc is not truly for the non-smoker's benefit. It's for the smoker's benefit with regard to their own image that they are portraying. They want themselves to look good.

Again perhaps you're judging me by your own standards. I don't really have issues about wanting to look good in front of others but I have a bit of consideration for the non-smoker who wouldn't choose to kiss an ashtray. :wink:

Nope, not my own standards, just a general observation from a lifetime of people watching. It's more common for people to be concerned to be thought of as an ashtray rather than inflicting an ashtray on someone else. It's ego, we all have it and we all deny it.

I've given up a few times. The problem is, I like smoking so tend to go back to it. I like the art of smoking a cigarette. I'm not whinging about having to stand out in the cold to indulge in my habit, I do that through choice. I don't compare smoking to drinking or anything else for that matter, it is of no consequence to me. So if I feel the urge to roll my eyes a little at the total generalisation that you've made with your earlier post you'll have to either like it or lump it I'm afraid.

"I like smoking" is the single most used rationalisation there is for the inability to give up.
I smoked from the age of 10 (though only regularly from the age of 17) through to the age of 33. been there done that, got the nicotine stains on the fingers and the wallpaper.
Fortunately I've looked after my fingers and there is no trace of nicotine. It is possible and due to the fact that I don't smoke in my house I don't have wallpaper issues! :wink:

Neither do I now, yet I still don't have to get up and go outside. Strange that.

Opinion is one thing, judgement is something else completely. :wink:

And smoking these days with the facts freely available and the costs clearly posted is what any intelligent person would consider to be bad judgement rather than a bad opinion.
Yes but that's MY judgement to make for me. I'm not judging you for being an ex smoker. :wink:
I never suggested that you shouldn't have the right to make bad judgements, just that it was plainly one.
If people want to kill themselves or make themselves ill for pleasure then I do truly believe that they should be allowed to. That is purely a selfish statement on my part. What I don't believe people have a right to do is force that right on others through passive smoking. This is why I think the smokers should be freezing their nuts/nipples off outside instead of poisoning people inside. And as others have said, it's their right to choose. I agree totally and as such I have no sympathy when they whinge about it.

10 Dec 2008

Quote by Peanut
If people want to kill themselves or make themselves ill for pleasure then I do truly believe that they should be allowed to. That is purely a selfish statement on my part. What I don't believe people have a right to do is force that right on others through passive smoking. This is why I think the smokers should be freezing their nuts/nipples off outside instead of poisoning people inside. And as others have said, it's their right to choose. I agree totally and as such I have no sympathy when they whinge about it.

We could argue the toss about my reasons, my ego, my appearance, my choices and my decisions all night but I've got better things to do at the moment so I'll refrain as it'll only be seen as a denial on my part of course. :mrgreen:
Never have I whinged about going outside for a ciggie. Perhaps I am the exception to the broad generalisations you made, that's good. I like being exceptional! wink

10 Dec 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
Well if ever I heard a cop out arguement as an answer, then that is it.

Nope, not a cop out at all, or have you heard me complaining about smokers who smoke outside?
The comments have been about non-smokers having to inhale the fumes of smokers in enclosed spaces, not about outside when the fumes are very much diluted and pose no real health risk from passive smoking. So my humour was actually relevant to the discussion at hand. It's your petrol fume riposte that was an attempt to direct attention away from the selfishness of the smoker.

I will no doubt be in the next bed to a heavy drinker with liver failure, or somebody who has lost both legs in a bike crash or.... We all make choices in life, what I DONT like is people making choices for me....period.

Perhaps you should examine actuarial statistics before jumping to conclusions. In my experience of hospital wards (which is admittedly out of date) smoking-related illnesses were always far more common that drinking ones... unless one counts the casualty at midnight on a Saturday night!
And from what I see no-one is making any choices for you. You are still free to smoke should you wish to. Though having been on both sides of the smokey curtain I don't understand why someone would voluntary continue to smoke. And I'm sorry I don't believe anyone who says "I enjoy it".
Because they want to. A bit like I choose to ride a fast and powerful motorbike, knowing the dangers that entails....I choose too.

At least "I want to" is slightly more honest than "I enjoy it". It's still a rationalisation for the fact that one is unable to give up.

The worst kind of people on a subject like this, always seems to be the people who " used " to smoke. Nothing as bad as a reformed smoker I guess. Good luck to you if you have given up but....Don't ever knock others for doing something you used to do. In my book that is being a bit of a hypocrite.

It's not hypocrisy at all. Yes I used to smoke, yes I gave up. That doesn't make me a hypocrite. It makes me a stronger person than someone who doesn't manage to give up.

But for me bottom line is I know that if I continue to smoke it will no doubt either lead to my death or help it on it's way. I know that as other smokers do but.....at this stage it is a choice I make. I still cannot understand for the life of me, how hiding them under a counter will work though.

No doubt the same way you are hiding from the truth with the "cos I want to" bollocks.

But as always your comments are valid and have lots of foundations.

Okay, put it another way. If an autistic with obsessive compulsive disorder can give up an addiction with a very strong habit component then why can't you? And please no "because I don't want to" lines. I've never yet met a smoker who deep down didn't want to kick the habit.

10 Dec 2008

Quote by Dirtygirlie

If people want to kill themselves or make themselves ill for pleasure then I do truly believe that they should be allowed to. That is purely a selfish statement on my part. What I don't believe people have a right to do is force that right on others through passive smoking. This is why I think the smokers should be freezing their nuts/nipples off outside instead of poisoning people inside. And as others have said, it's their right to choose. I agree totally and as such I have no sympathy when they whinge about it.

We could argue the toss about my reasons, my ego, my appearance, my choices and my decisions all night but I've got better things to do at the moment so I'll refrain as it'll only be seen as a denial on my part of course. :mrgreen:
Never have I whinged about going outside for a ciggie. Perhaps I am the exception to the broad generalisations you made, that's good. I like being exceptional! wink

I wasn't aware we were arguing over your personal reasons. As you've already pointed out, you don't fit the usual profile. I don't know your personal history or circumstances as such I can't hope to be 100% correct. Generalisation is all I can do in these circumstance.
And I'd never deny that you were exceptional ;)

10 Dec 2008

Maybe you have more willpower than me then. :fuckinghell:

10 Dec 2008

I'm an ex-smoker :-( I enjooyed smoking and really miss it. OK I don't miss the cost and I dont miss the cough and that I guess weights the scale in favour of remaining an ex-smoker but everything else about smoking I miss . I miss the ceremony I miss the feel of the smoke caressing its way down my throat I miss the simple narcotic effect it has on my brain within ten seconds of a deep draw, I miss the taste I miss the smell. I miss the need to light up and the feel of a cigarette in my hand. I miss looking forwzard to one even.
In fact come 70 years old i'm taking up chainsmoking and hey might as well do hardcore binge drinking too biggrin

10 Dec 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
Maybe you have more willpower than me then. :fuckinghell:

Actually it's not really about willpower, at least not in my case it wasn't.
It's just about understanding what's happening to you when you quit and then working round it.

10 Dec 2008

It's double standards, if it's that bad, just f*cking ban it!
The whole thing just pisses me off!

10 Dec 2008

Quote by browning
It's double standards, if it's that bad, just f*cking ban it!

I couldn't agree more.

10 Dec 2008

Quote by Peanut
Kids start smoking because they think it makes them look grown-up. Where do they get that idea from? Could it perhaps be the fact they see grown-ups smoking. The rationale being that grown-ups must know what they are doing so smoking must be okay.
As for the whinging and whining about alcohol being treated differently, well as the old joke goes... you don't see drinkers in a pub pissing on each other.
As for smokers being 'lepers' in contemporary society, well great. They should be. You make a choice to smoke, I make a choice to not smoke. Unfortunately when you smoke you blow it into the air non-smokers use. That makes you selfish and uncaring about other people's choices. So if you have to stand out in the cold, tough, get thicker socks, or better still have the balls to quit and come into the warm with the rest of us non-smokers.

No but they could vomit over you instead.
But look at the crime related incidences what involve drinking compared to smoking.
I wonder what costs the government the most.
Crimes involving alcohol or smoking related illness?
I believe the government by banning smoking in pubs have pushed many to stay at home with friends smoking and drinking around children.
Adults had a choice to enter a pub, what happened to the public and salon bar?
One side could have been for smokers the other for non smokers.
Alcohol can damage children’s health even though they don’t drink.

10 Dec 2008

Quote by Theladyisaminx
Kids start smoking because they think it makes them look grown-up. Where do they get that idea from? Could it perhaps be the fact they see grown-ups smoking. The rationale being that grown-ups must know what they are doing so smoking must be okay.
As for the whinging and whining about alcohol being treated differently, well as the old joke goes... you don't see drinkers in a pub pissing on each other.
As for smokers being 'lepers' in contemporary society, well great. They should be. You make a choice to smoke, I make a choice to not smoke. Unfortunately when you smoke you blow it into the air non-smokers use. That makes you selfish and uncaring about other people's choices. So if you have to stand out in the cold, tough, get thicker socks, or better still have the balls to quit and come into the warm with the rest of us non-smokers.

No but they could vomit over you instead.
But look at the crime related incidences what involve drinking compared to smoking.
I wonder what costs the government the most.
Crimes involving alcohol or smoking related illness?
I believe the government by banning smoking in pubs have pushed many to stay at home with friends smoking and drinking around children.
Adults had a choice to enter a pub, what happened to the public and salon bar?
One side could have been for smokers the other for non smokers.
Alcohol can damage children’s health even though they don’t drink.
It suits me just fine if they ban alcohol too.
But the problems with alcohol have nothing to do with smoking and is just a way to obfuscate the issue.
The topic is smoking, not drinking.

10 Dec 2008

Pint and a smoke cool

10 Dec 2008

Quote by Lost
Pint and a smoke

Goes hand in hand...
not anymore it dont :cry:
:lol2:

10 Dec 2008

Quote by Peanut
Maybe you have more willpower than me then. :fuckinghell:

Actually it's not really about willpower, at least not in my case it wasn't.
It's just about understanding what's happening to you when you quit and then working round it.
I did work around it for nearly four years, and still bloody went back. But ohhhhhhhhhhhh that first fag in the morning...........pure bliss. lol

10 Dec 2008

<<< She is avin a fag!

11 Dec 2008

I dont think putting cigs under the counter will help, I have recently been made aware of a corner shop who is selling cigs and alchol to underage people ( yes they have been reported)
I think people of all ages will choose to either smoke or not and if they do then they will find out how to get hold of them, same as any other adictive substance/drug
Everyone will make choices in life, whether if be drink/drugs/smoking/driving,,, but there is one thing that always sticks in my mind and thats a 92 year old lady who smokes and drinks all day now to her knowledge she has no smoking related illnesses but yet she ends up with a blackeye every week due to her getting drunk nearly every day, now she is 92 so she isnt doing bad to say that smoking and drinking KILLS
I am a smoker but like others have said I choose not to smoke indoors and am very considerate around others, personally I enjoy a cig but dont like the lingering smell it leaves

11 Dec 2008

Quote by TabbynTina
Everyone will make choices in life, whether if be drink/drugs/smoking/driving,,, but there is one thing that always sticks in my mind and thats a 92 year old lady who smokes and drinks all day now to her knowledge she has no smoking related illnesses but yet she ends up with a blackeye every week due to her getting drunk nearly every day, now she is 92 so she isnt doing bad to say that smoking and drinking KILLS

Based on the law of averages both will kill... when the old buggers get pissed and fall asleep with the lit fag that sends the settee up.
RIP Viv Stanshall sad

11 Dec 2008

but come age 92,,,, and her mind/hearing and sight is still all there, if its true that smoking and drinking kills then shouldnt she be dead by now
She has had a few fires but that was due to her leaving the chip pan on through drink :shock:

11 Dec 2008

Quote by TabbynTina
but come age 92,,,, and her mind/hearing and sight is still all there, if its true that smoking and drinking kills then shouldnt she be dead by now
She has had a few fires but that was due to her leaving the chip pan on through drink :shock:

At 92 I'd far prefer to go via the shotgun of a jealous husband!