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Jags
Another quote:-
""Hark the Lady Pusillious seen here on her way to the games"" spoken by Jimmy Porter and by me in 1960
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Quote by da69ve
30 years ago we didn't have an AIDS problem in the UK, in fact we didn't have AIDS or HIV at all, it was as rare as rocking horse poo. It was brought into this country from the third world and those third world people are still bringing it in.
Judy............... .............Always supporting the fight against unsafe sex and a lack of education
Going through Judy's first post .....this bit did stand out as racist and misleading.
Anyway - back on topic'ish!
Maybe you need to explain this bit more fully Judy. It would be appreciated.
I will probably sound stupid but I am unsure what you are saying Judy
We need to check everyone we let into the country for aids?
OR
Are you blaming immigrants for fetching aids into the country?
I am learning loads here
Education at work.
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Quote by da69ve
30 years ago we didn't have an AIDS problem in the UK, in fact we didn't have AIDS or HIV at all, it was as rare as rocking horse poo. It was brought into this country from the third world and those third world people are still bringing it in.
Judy............... .............Always supporting the fight against unsafe sex and a lack of education
Going through Judy's first post .....this bit did stand out as racist and misleading.
I'm sorry Judy, but I have to agree with Dave /Jags here...the 3rd World undeniably had/has a problem with the proliferation of AIDS..but the surface should be scratched to see a little further. Many of these countries have a highly lucrative trade in 'sex tourism' where invariably holidaymakers of Western origin seek out sexual liaisons with poor people, who due to their economic circumstances will take more risks than people that work in the sex industry over here...light the blue touch paper and stand well back..the outcome is obvious...if there are any statistics that exist confirming the AIDS infection rate of 3rd world immigrants coming into the UK, I would like to see them and compare to Western tourists and workers abroad bringing it back into their indigenous cultures.
I found Judy's comments upsetting because they have the tendency to stereotype (negatively) a whole community of people and makes an already hard life, even harder for them. If there really is an issue of HIV positive immigrants coming over here and infecting, then we have a decision to make about blanket testing everyone that comes to live here..and most of all exercise caution over everyone we choose to have unprotected sex with...nuff said.
Sex God
We wanted to stay out of the fray, but had to re-enter.
The way we read Judy's post. Judy was saying that people from certain areas of the world were more likely to bring in HIV than people from other parts of the world. Therefore to prevent the HIV rate in UK increasing there should be testing of the people from the high risk areas.
Are we wrong in that sumation? If so can someone give their view of what Judy was saying.
Assuming we were correct in our definition;
In Angola today, there is an outbreak of Marburg virus, very similar to Ebola. 93% mortality rate. But many, many more times as infectious than HIV. You get it, you usually die in three days or so, in the worst way imaginable. Now if the W.H.O. can't contain it and it spreads thro Angola should the UK ban people from Angola coming to the UK. The incubation period is a few days by the way. Or to put it another way, you could catch it in Angola, be OK on the flight to Heathrow and fall ill one day later in Manchester or anywhere.
If you say yes, to protect the people of UK the Gov should stop people from Angola (the high risk area) coming here then are you a racist?
J & S
The way we read Judy's post. Judy was saying that people from certain areas of the world were more likely to bring in HIV than people from other parts of the world. Therefore to prevent the HIV rate in UK increasing there should be testing of the people from the high risk areas.
Are we wrong in that sumation? If so can someone give their view of what Judy was saying.
Assuming we were correct in our definition;
In Angola today, there is an outbreak of Marburg virus, very similar to Ebola. 93% mortality rate. But many, many more times as infectious than HIV. You get it, you usually die in three days or so, in the worst way imaginable. Now if the W.H.O. can't contain it and it spreads thro Angola should the UK ban people from Angola coming to the UK. The incubation period is a few days by the way. Or to put it another way, you could catch it in Angola, be OK on the flight to Heathrow and fall ill one day later in Manchester or anywhere.
If you say yes, to protect the people of UK the Gov should stop people from Angola (the high risk area) coming here then are you a racist?
J & S
If you are going to screen for infectious or contagious diseases then you can't do it by ethnic origin or skin colour alone. EVERYONE should be tested in that case. But that's not what Judy meant when he said 'Third World' stuff.
There could be a very good case for screening for all sorts of things, but, as I said HIV is a totally avoidable infection. A person has to put themselves at risk in order to become infected - now that blood products are screeened and high risk donors banned. Again, the infection you mention is not avoidable, just like the plague of yesteryears.
I find it offensive to categorise one sector of the species as deficient because they can't speak English. :shock: :shock:
There could be a very good case for screening for all sorts of things, but, as I said HIV is a totally avoidable infection. A person has to put themselves at risk in order to become infected - now that blood products are screeened and high risk donors banned. Again, the infection you mention is not avoidable, just like the plague of yesteryears.
I find it offensive to categorise one sector of the species as deficient because they can't speak English. :shock: :shock:
Quote by Geordiecpl2001
We wanted to stay out of the fray, but had to re-enter.
The way we read Judy's post. Judy was saying that people from certain areas of the world were more likely to bring in HIV than people from other parts of the world. Therefore to prevent the HIV rate in UK increasing there should be testing of the people from the high risk areas.
Are we wrong in that sumation? If so can someone give their view of what Judy was saying.
Assuming we were correct in our definition;
In Angola today, there is an outbreak of Marburg virus, very similar to Ebola. 93% mortality rate. But many, many more times as infectious than HIV. You get it, you usually die in three days or so, in the worst way imaginable. Now if the W.H.O. can't contain it and it spreads thro Angola should the UK ban people from Angola coming to the UK. The incubation period is a few days by the way. Or to put it another way, you could catch it in Angola, be OK on the flight to Heathrow and fall ill one day later in Manchester or anywhere.
If you say yes, to protect the people of UK the Gov should stop people from Angola (the high risk area) coming here then are you a racist?
J & S
..of course when seeking a solution to our domestic HIV problem, the consequences of mass immigration from high risk areas should be considered. But there are many causes for the increase of HIV infection in the UK and 3rd world immigration is probably a small element in this.
Please excuse my flippancy, but how many immigrants from high risk areas actually come into the UK every year and does every Nigerian/Jamaican want to drag away some poor unsuspecting Brit to have unprotected sex with them?? (Maybe better not to ponder too much on that one!)
The number one offender surely has to be our own (continuing) complacency in new sexual liaisons. The way I read Judy's post, it seemed to particularly implicate 3rd world immigrants for our domestic AIDS situation.
Sex God
But you could argue that if you were going to, say Thailand, for sex the thought that you would be tested for HIV on the way back in might act as a deterant against going. Or at the very least make you think about safe sex.
And the question about Angola?
J & S
And the question about Angola?
J & S
Quote by Jags
Again, the infection you mention is not avoidable, just like the plague of yesteryears.
I did mention the Angola/Marburg matter but not in great detail, sorry, I didn't mean to disregard it.
As I said - catching the Ebola virus or the variant Marburg is not down to close intimate sexual contact the way HIV is. HIV IS avoidable. It's up to us to protect ourselves, not penalise every poor person coming to our shores from 'third world' countries en masse
I'm STILL shocked at the thought.
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Quote by Geordiecpl2001
But you could argue that if you were going to, say Thailand, for sex the thought that you would be tested for HIV on the way back in might act as a deterant against going. Or at the very least make you think about safe sex.
J & S
Surely the thought of dying a very slow and nasty death should be the deterrent here. Why should the government act as the nanny. You have to know that if you have unprotected sexual contact with a professional sex worker, (edited to include 'complete stranger') here or abroad, that you are putting yourself bang right in the middle of the high-risk area. It's nothing to do with colour of skin or the language you speak, it's all to do with stupidity.
Until about 15- 20 years ago knowledge of HIV wasn't so widespread and people did die of ignorance. There is no excuse now. We teach safe sex in schools. Condoms are free from Family Planning Clinics.
We are lucky in this country. To blame the poor and the down-trodden and the supressed is unforgivable.
:shock:
Sex God
Last post for today as going out. By the way we are only persueing this one as we think Judy was wrongly labelled as racist, on reading of the post it certainly did not seem to be so to us.
We certainly do not see the HIV problem in the UK being solely caused by immigration, but do believe Judy had every right to mention it as a factor in the whole picture.
Interesting that the Angola question got avoided by most people.
J & S
We certainly do not see the HIV problem in the UK being solely caused by immigration, but do believe Judy had every right to mention it as a factor in the whole picture.
Interesting that the Angola question got avoided by most people.
J & S
Quote by Jags
But you could argue that if you were going to, say Thailand, for sex the thought that you would be tested for HIV on the way back in might act as a deterant against going. Or at the very least make you think about safe sex.
J & S
Surely the thought of dying a very slow and nasty death should be the deterrent here. Why should the government act as the nanny. You have to know that if you have unprotected sexual contact with a professional sex worker, here or abroad, that you are putting yourself bang right in the middle of the high-risk area. It's nothing to do with colour of skin or the language you speak, it's all to do with stupidity.
Until about 15- 20 years ago knowledge of HIV wasn't so widespread and people did die of ignorance. There is no excuse now. We teach safe sex in schools. Condoms are free from Family Planning Clinics.
We are lucky in this country. To blame the poor and the down-trodden and the supressed is unforgivable.
:shock:
..you hit the nail on the head there Jags..Aids is about stupid straight people, stupid gays, stupid Africans, stupid Jamaicans, stupid English, stupid Amercans, stupid Germans, stupid teenagers, stupid swingers, stupidity everywhere..I have to confess to having been stupid in the past myself (as I'm sure we all have) and fortunatley got away with it..but in any event I wouldn't have been seeking to blame a bunch of poor, illiterate immigrants for my plight, if I'd not been so lucky.
I didn't avoid the Angola question... honest!
And this is what is causing concern about Judy's post. He wrote:
Slight racist tinge to that!
Have a fine night out. Take a brolly though!
And this is what is causing concern about Judy's post. He wrote:
30 years ago we didn't have an AIDS problem in the UK, in fact we didn't have AIDS or HIV at all, it was as rare as rocking horse poo. It was brought into this country from the third world and those third world people are still bringing it in.
Slight racist tinge to that!
Have a fine night out. Take a brolly though!
Sex God
Quote by Jags
I didn't avoid the Angola question... honest!
And this is what is causing concern about Judy's post. He wrote:
30 years ago we didn't have an AIDS problem in the UK, in fact we didn't have AIDS or HIV at all, it was as rare as rocking horse poo. It was brought into this country from the third world and those third world people are still bringing it in.
Slight racist tinge to that!!
Spose we'd better ignore the truth in it then .
Quote by Dawn_Mids
We need to check everyone we let into the country for aids?
:
Sorry to butcher your post to one line Dawn but its the one line that I am interested in.
Not only do I think we should check for Aids/HIV but for all the other nasties...i.e Polio,TB etc etc...
No matter where people come from they should be screaned before entering..
Its no good teaching our own to be carefull etc when we are happily letting people in who are carriers of all manner of nasty diseases to spread their own particular disease with gay abandon....
Bit like pissing into the wind really innit
: :?: :?: Quote by Silk and Big G
I didn't avoid the Angola question... honest!
And this is what is causing concern about Judy's post. He wrote:
30 years ago we didn't have an AIDS problem in the UK, in fact we didn't have AIDS or HIV at all, it was as rare as rocking horse poo. It was brought into this country from the third world and those third world people are still bringing it in.
Slight racist tinge to that!!
Spose we'd better ignore the truth in it then .
What truth are you talking about?
Can't see ANY truth in that statement, that's the whole point of the discussion.
Quote by Steve_Mids
We need to check everyone we let into the country for aids?
:
Sorry to butcher your post to one line Dawn but its the one line that I am interested in.
Not only do I think we should check for Aids/HIV but for all the other nasties...i.e Polio,TB etc etc...
No matter where people come from they should be screaned before entering..
Its no good teaching our own to be carefull etc when we are happily letting people in who are carriers of all manner of nasty diseases to spread their own particular disease with gay abandon....
Bit like pissing into the wind really innit
: :?: :?:..sounds like an island utopia Steve, screening everyone before they enter the UK? Who's going to pay for it? Would you include tourists coming to/returning to these shores? Where would you hold people pending the outcome of their tests...sounds like a financial and logistical nightmare!!
Ps: how would you define 'our own'?, many of them are part of the problem.
People comming into this country and going out are screened after a fashion =
Come on all you"so well traveled" people, why do you think we have certificates for SMALLPOX, TYPHOID and CHOLERA, without which you can not travel to certain countries.
Oh and in some countries like the Mid East even YELLOW FEVER.
Is this not a form of screening.: :?:
Come on all you"so well traveled" people, why do you think we have certificates for SMALLPOX, TYPHOID and CHOLERA, without which you can not travel to certain countries.
Oh and in some countries like the Mid East even YELLOW FEVER.
Is this not a form of screening.
: :?: Sex God
You cant ?
30 years ago did we have a problem with HIV in the UK ?
Did all the major intitutes of communicable diseases world wide not trace the first diagnosable cases of it mainly on the African continent ?
Have we not in the past had many many immigrants enter the country suffering from the virus ?
Youre right of course the thread isnt about political correctness , but neither is it about racism .
30 years ago did we have a problem with HIV in the UK ?
Did all the major intitutes of communicable diseases world wide not trace the first diagnosable cases of it mainly on the African continent ?
Have we not in the past had many many immigrants enter the country suffering from the virus ?
Youre right of course the thread isnt about political correctness , but neither is it about racism .
Quote by Silk and Big G
You cant ?
30 years ago did we have a problem with HIV in the UK ?
Did all the major intitutes of communicable diseases world wide not trace the first diagnosable cases of it mainly on the African continent ?
Have we not in the past had many many immigrants enter the country suffering from the virus ?
Youre right of course the thread isnt about political correctness , but neither is it about racism .
So what your saying is no one went abroad for cheap unprotected sex and didn't catch anything in the process.....its all blamed on third world ignorance!
Aids wasn't identifed world-wide in 1970s so NO-ONE had a problem with it until then.
:dunno:
Oh, and read this too - posted in edit:
:dunno:Oh, and read this too - posted in edit:
Mid-1970's-1980 history
We do not know how many people developed AIDS in the 1970s, or indeed in the years before. Neither do we know, and we probably never will know, where the AIDS virus HIV originated. But what we do know is:
"The dominant feature of this first period was silence, for the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) was unknown and transmission was not accompanied by signs or symptoms salient enough to be noticed. While rare, sporadic case reports of AIDS and sero-archaeological studies have documented human infections with HIV prior to 1970, available data suggest that the current pandemic started in the mid-to late 1970s. By 1980, HIV had spread to at least five continents (North America, South America, Europe, Africa and Australia). During this period of silence, spread was unchecked by awareness or any preventive action and approximately 100,000- 300,000 persons may have been infected."
- Jonathan Mann -1
Kaposi's Sarcoma (KS) was a rare form of relatively benign cancer that tended to occur in older people. But by March 1981 at least eight cases of a more aggressive form of KS had occurred amongst young gay men in New York.2
At about the same time there was an increase, in both California and New York, in the number of cases of a rare lung infection Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (PCP)3
Quote by alspals
We need to check everyone we let into the country for aids?
:
Sorry to butcher your post to one line Dawn but its the one line that I am interested in.
Not only do I think we should check for Aids/HIV but for all the other nasties...i.e Polio,TB etc etc...
No matter where people come from they should be screaned before entering..
Its no good teaching our own to be carefull etc when we are happily letting people in who are carriers of all manner of nasty diseases to spread their own particular disease with gay abandon....
Bit like pissing into the wind really innit
: :?: :?:..sounds like an island utopia Steve, screening everyone before they enter the UK? Who's going to pay for it?
It would obviously have to come out of the taxpayers pocket..Same as the costs of running all the half way houses we operate for imigrants who have travelled half way across Europe to claim asylum.
Would you include tourists coming to/returning to these shores? Where would you hold people pending the outcome of their tests...sounds like a financial and logistical nightmare!!
All the folks that have travelled from hundreds/thousands of miles through 2 or 3 or more countries to get here should be returned to the first country they encountered after leaving their home country and made to apply for asylum there..I know its a great pity what is happening to many thousands of people across the world but why should we have to home them and support them?..
As for the tourist element then I suppose yes they would have to be tested as well...Or at least tested for diseases that are dominant in the country they have visited.
Ps: how would you define 'our own'?, many of them are part of the problem.
I see what you are saying here and there is not a lot we can do about that particular problem aside from keep plugging away and educating people...
I just know that folks are gonna flame me for what I have written but it is about time we started to get tough andstop the torrents of people coming into this country no matter where they come from...
The country is gonna break under the strain before much longer and its got to stop.
Edited cause I still cant get the hang of the muliple quote while inserting my own text thingy
Sex God
Quote by Jags
Aids wasn't identifed world-wide in 1970s so NO-ONE had a problem with it until then.
Neither my post nor the previous one said it was Jags . Youre picking and choosing . Its a liberal trait and doesnt suit ya .
Sex God
Quote by da69ve
You cant ?
30 years ago did we have a problem with HIV in the UK ?
Did all the major intitutes of communicable diseases world wide not trace the first diagnosable cases of it mainly on the African continent ?
Have we not in the past had many many immigrants enter the country suffering from the virus ?
Youre right of course the thread isnt about political correctness , but neither is it about racism .
So what your saying is no one went abroad for cheap unprotected sex and didn't catch anything in the process.....its all blamed on third world ignorance!
Nope i didnt say that either
Quote by Silk and Big G
Aids wasn't identifed world-wide in 1970s so NO-ONE had a problem with it until then.
Neither my post nor the previous one said it was Jags . Youre picking and choosing . Its a liberal trait and doesnt suit ya .
I'm not picking and choosing. You said there wasn't a problem with Aids in the UK in the 70s and I was telling you that you were correct, cos Aids wasn't identified until then.
Course it suits me, fits me to a T!
Quote by Silk and Big G
You cant ?
30 years ago did we have a problem with HIV in the UK ?
Did all the major intitutes of communicable diseases world wide not trace the first diagnosable cases of it mainly on the African continent ?
Have we not in the past had many many immigrants enter the country suffering from the virus ?
Youre right of course the thread isnt about political correctness , but neither is it about racism .
Was the first case of AIDS traced to the African continent? If so, so what? That doesn't help us with the problem we have now, as it does not illustrate that the African problem is any better or worse than ours, nor that African immigrants brought it over here.
Sure, many immigrants have come into the UK with AIDS, but many Brits have left without it and come back with it...irrespective of what part of the world they have been visiting and I guess many Brits have also infected people from other countries whilst visiting.
Quote by Steve_Mids
We need to check everyone we let into the country for aids?
:
Sorry to butcher your post to one line Dawn but its the one line that I am interested in.
Not only do I think we should check for Aids/HIV but for all the other nasties...i.e Polio,TB etc etc...
No matter where people come from they should be screaned before entering..
Its no good teaching our own to be carefull etc when we are happily letting people in who are carriers of all manner of nasty diseases to spread their own particular disease with gay abandon....
Bit like pissing into the wind really innit
: :?: :?:..sounds like an island utopia Steve, screening everyone before they enter the UK? Who's going to pay for it?
It would obviously have to come out of the taxpayers pocket..Same as the costs of running all the half way houses we operate for imigrants who have travelled half way across Europe to claim asylum.
Would you include tourists coming to/returning to these shores? Where would you hold people pending the outcome of their tests...sounds like a financial and logistical nightmare!!
All the folks that have travelled from hundreds/thousands of miles through 2 or 3 or more countries to get here should be returned to the first country they encountered after leaving their home country and made to apply for asylum there..I know its a great pity what is happening to many thousands of people across the world but why should we have to home them and support them?..
As for the tourist element then I suppose yes they would have to be tested as well...Or at least tested for diseases that are dominant in the country they have visited.
Ps: how would you define 'our own'?, many of them are part of the problem.
I see what you are saying here and there is not a lot we can do about that particular problem aside from keep plugging away and educating people...
I just know that folks are gonna flame me for what I have written but it is about time we started to get tough andstop the torrents of people coming into this country no matter where they come from...
The country is gonna break under the strain before much longer and its got to stop.
Edited cause I still cant get the hang of the muliple quote while inserting my own text thingy
I'm speechless! :shock: :shock: :shock:
