Its the usual thing , and part of the problem is all the f8%cking nancying around caused by appotioning blame . In fact I agree wholeheartedly with Jags and the self protection angle , equally the self protection arguament applies to so called ' third world' peoples .
My point earlier was really voicing my frustration at the way racism and bigotry issues are waved in our faces every time we try to discuss a subject which is the concern of the whole of mankind . Youre all welcome to read my previous posts and dissect them for racism or bigotry , you wont find any . What I was alluding to is the the sad fact that the realities of the situation had once again began to be watered down by the introduction of political correctness . I stated no facts , dates or figures simply that because a discussion about a pandemic includes some reference to national incidence and prevalence it doesnt make it racist . Theres no use spending ages trying to apportion blame and even more sickeningly trying to assume blame ourselves lest we are terrible enough to suggest someone else may have been instrumental . The virus is here now and we have to deal with it . I for one dont see screening of some form as a bad part of a whole world approach whatever bloody country we come from . Im happy to be screened and if i was then id expect anyone poorer or richer to do the same . If it helped stop the spread of the virus .
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This is exactly the kind of thing im talking about . Ive read Judys post , and whilst it may have pulled no punches in her opinions it certainly never said third world countries were " solely" to blame . A 'liberal' attitude reads it as that because they arent reading the whole opnion , they are already cherry picking for potential incorrectness. No Judys post isnt the only one apportioning blame , most of the posts refuting her are actively blaming our complacency and attitude and turning the blame on ourselves rather than any poor third world individuals . The virus spreads because of everyones complacency and its very difficult to go on using the ignorance arguament decade after decade . I would suggest that if you are informed enough to travel half way across the world to a foreign country to set up home , chances are youre informed enough to wear a condom .
Once again blame is not relevant morally , but if we are going to contain and try and treat the problem we have to start somewhere . As I read Judes post the suggestions although not subtle seemed to say that it would be impossible to contain our own problem if we continued to import it unabated , and that is simply true . Similarly although ive seen repeated reference to one paragraph of her post regarding the genesis of the virus , I have seen not one response to the other very sensible comments in it about behaviour and attitudes in our community . Thats what I mean by liberal , picking out the thing you find offensive just for the sake of it , and ignoring the rest of the comment - which unfortunately leads to missing the discussion that is most pertinent.
We had to have HIV tests done to work in the Middle East. Don't see the problem with it.
Well. seeing as how Judy hasn't been back to defend the comments we can conclude the conversation perhaps?
Sweeping generalisations which stereotype one set of people - 0
Rational discussion and debate - 1
No penalties needed.
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Im all for the 'L' word on this one LOL . Its starting to burn my fingers .
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boy...i am glad that i missed this heated converstaion.....
i have read thru what was said by judy, i see the point that was trying to be said but i just believe it was just poorly worded.. i can see why people were offended, first time i read it i was.. but after reading it a few times i have calmed down... for me the saddest thing about this was to see one marginalised community having a go at another.....
sean xxxxxx
one last comparison i would like to make though.....
about 500 years ago, a large part of the population of south america was wiped out by what was then a killer diease, you may have heard of it, it was brought over by european explorers.......
it was called "the flu"..........
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I have read Judys post and thought it through the best I can. I believe it is important to try to work out the motivation behind the post.
Essentially he was saying that the spread of Aids is due to foreigners. Now, what might be the public perception of who is to blame for aids? It could be that a lot of people feel it is due to gay men. This might be accurate or not, it doesn’t really matter in this case, it is what a lot of people think.
What is Judy? I guess amongst other things, a gay/bi man. Perhaps Judy feels defensive when the issue of Aids comes up because he could be labeled as being part of a community that some people feel are to blame.
I don’t believe Judy is racist, I believe the motivation behind the post was not racism but something different. It might have been a subconscious attempt to defend himself.
This is a theory and may be completely off beam, but a different way of looking at things
Interesting thread....I must look in this forum more often.....
HIV never killed anyone, ever.
The virus targets various parts of the immune system....the CD4 T cells...the person becomes ill when the immune system is compromised to the extent that it cannot defend against the large variety of diseases that it NORMALLY does.
Really, the large scale of the problem and the various diseases that the patient becomes ill with, provided the first positive proof that cancers are a problem caused by failure of the bodies immune system....and that apart from HIV, other cancers are caused by other viruses....cervical cancer and the HPV spring to mind.
The moral problem does not concern me, no morals for a start.
As of last year I was not infected with HIV......
Those considering being tested "just in case" should bear in mind that it will affect you if purchasing life insurance...although you could lie....but that would be a bad move.
The viral "load" needed for infection seems to be large, but you should also bear in mind that the preferred route is via mucous membranes.....ie: vagina, rectum and mouth/throat and nasal passages. Circumcised males are much less prone to BEING infected, unless they receive anal sex bareback.
The first signs that a person MAY be infected are usually frequent respiratory infections that don't clear-up with antibiotic infection, and skin sarcoma (like a blister, but red and weeping)
It's wonderful what info they have in GUM clinics now.....
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