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Just a question.... If a person wanted to home educate their child, would the same set of rules apply as a schooled child? Example would the home school child have to abide by a set curiculum, or can the parent set it?
Because a parent who wants to home educate may want a child to learn more about history than say maths. As always I think the 3r's ARE the most important lesson any child can learn. Without the basic knowledge of the 3r's that child will always struggle.
Because a parent who wants to home educate may want a child to learn more about history than say maths. As always I think the 3r's ARE the most important lesson any child can learn. Without the basic knowledge of the 3r's that child will always struggle.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Just a question.... If a person wanted to home educate their child, would the same set of rules apply as a schooled child? Example would the home school child have to abide by a set curiculum, or can the parent set it?
Because a parent who wants to home educate may want a child to learn more about history than say maths. As always I think the 3r's ARE the most important lesson any child can learn. Without the basic knowledge of the 3r's that child will always struggle.
From the website link given by Sunseekercouple:
'The rules governing parents who are home tutoring their child state that a child must be given a full-time education suitable to their age, ability and aptitude, whether this is provided within school or 'education otherwise', a phrase which has been adopted by a group (Education Otherwise) which offers support and information for parents home schooling their child.
Parents who become their child's teacher do not need to follow a specific school timetable of a certain number of hours, days or terms of teaching per year. Some Local Educational Authorities (LEAs) may offer to provide help, support or guidance to parents starting as home teachers, such as National Curriculum materials that may help the parent to structure their child's education, if that is desired. Parents should contact their LEA directly to find out more about this possibility.'
Seems strange to me FB. It seems that if you send your child to school they have to follow the exact rules laid down, but if you home school the rules are def not the same......strange.
In your opinion FB as a teacher, do you feel it is right to exclude a child from the state, to educate at home? If you do not want to answer in the forum you can pm me.
I have grave reservations for taking a child out of the mainstream system...my opinion.
In your opinion FB as a teacher, do you feel it is right to exclude a child from the state, to educate at home? If you do not want to answer in the forum you can pm me.
I have grave reservations for taking a child out of the mainstream system...my opinion.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Seems strange to me FB. It seems that if you send your child to school they have to follow the exact rules laid down, but if you home school the rules are def not the same......strange.
In your opinion FB as a teacher, do you feel it is right to exclude a child from the state, to educate at home? If you do not want to answer in the forum you can pm me.
I have grave reservations for taking a child out of the mainstream system...my opinion.
I've already posted my thoughts on this thread, Kent. They won't change in PM!
Quote by Peanut
It's not something I'd look forward to or get any enjoyment from, but I wish I'd home-schooled my kids. I reckon they'd have a better standard of education than they have now.
At least they'd be able to read and write far better than they currently do.
That then Peanut is a very sad state of affairs of our education system. As I have said before teach the kids a good basic knowledge of the 3r's and you will not go far wrong in life.
Quote by Freckledbird
Seems strange to me FB. It seems that if you send your child to school they have to follow the exact rules laid down, but if you home school the rules are def not the same......strange.
In your opinion FB as a teacher, do you feel it is right to exclude a child from the state, to educate at home? If you do not want to answer in the forum you can pm me.
I have grave reservations for taking a child out of the mainstream system...my opinion.
I've already posted my thoughts on this thread, Kent. They won't change in PM!
Sorry FB failed to spot that one.
Sex God
Thank you so much for all the input into this thread. I truly appreciate it and the different views and opinions are exactly what we need to help us think it through.
I wish I could answer every post but I would be here all night so I'll just respond to a couple of things that I have read and that have stuck out for me.
Socially I would make sure that she made up for it in other ways. Local Am Dram club, trips out with friends who have children the same age, MSN (when she learns to use it more appropriately). She has been at her school for 14 months and so far there has been 1 disco and 1 trip so at the moment I'm not too concerned about what she would be missing there.
Someone said that the best way for her to learn would be to learn from her peers or something similar. There are some of her peers I would far rather she did NOT learn anything from.
Thank you for your post Sam. I am embarking on that task as we speak ;)
Mar..I am not planning on getting a home tutor..although I would if I could afford it.
I don't have a degree Kenty and am at the moment studying at GCSE level myself. What I do have though is a huge capacity for learning and researching and determination. I also have a desire for my daughter to do well and if it's my responsibily to make sure she has an education...then she will have one, no if's and no buts. I'm not as well equipt as a teacher to deliver an English/Maths etc lesson but what I am equipt with is a good understanding of my daughter and the knowledge of how to get the information and resources I will need to teach her. I will learn along with her.
At the moment she really does'nt want to leave the school system (or rather her friends) so we are letting it ride for a while to see how it goes. We will wait for the test results and see how the report card thing pans out and stay in close contact with the school. The more I am thinking and hearing about homeschooling though, the more I like what I hear about the benefits. In fact if she said she wanted to leave school and do it, I'm 99% certain that this is the way I would choose.
Once again thank you to everyone...you're all great
I wish I could answer every post but I would be here all night so I'll just respond to a couple of things that I have read and that have stuck out for me.
Socially I would make sure that she made up for it in other ways. Local Am Dram club, trips out with friends who have children the same age, MSN (when she learns to use it more appropriately). She has been at her school for 14 months and so far there has been 1 disco and 1 trip so at the moment I'm not too concerned about what she would be missing there.
Someone said that the best way for her to learn would be to learn from her peers or something similar. There are some of her peers I would far rather she did NOT learn anything from.
Thank you for your post Sam. I am embarking on that task as we speak ;)
Mar..I am not planning on getting a home tutor..although I would if I could afford it.
I don't have a degree Kenty and am at the moment studying at GCSE level myself. What I do have though is a huge capacity for learning and researching and determination. I also have a desire for my daughter to do well and if it's my responsibily to make sure she has an education...then she will have one, no if's and no buts. I'm not as well equipt as a teacher to deliver an English/Maths etc lesson but what I am equipt with is a good understanding of my daughter and the knowledge of how to get the information and resources I will need to teach her. I will learn along with her.
At the moment she really does'nt want to leave the school system (or rather her friends) so we are letting it ride for a while to see how it goes. We will wait for the test results and see how the report card thing pans out and stay in close contact with the school. The more I am thinking and hearing about homeschooling though, the more I like what I hear about the benefits. In fact if she said she wanted to leave school and do it, I'm 99% certain that this is the way I would choose.
Once again thank you to everyone...you're all great
Sex God
I would never choose home schooling, either if it had been for me, or if we ever have kids.
School and learning are about so much more than just the knowledge that you absorb and about how well you can do in exams.
School provides children with life skills that I just don't see how you can get from staying at home and learning with a parent/ small group.
When you start to think of all the extras at school that are such a big part of growing up and learning, be it interaction in the lunch hall, interaction with authority figures, being part of the school community, school sports day, assemblies, walking with you mates to school, break time, drama classes, team working etc etc etc I have never felt it's right to home school.
I think children need time away from their parents and vice versa, and children need to start to learn responsibility for themselves, rather than relying on their parents to teach them everything.
I think if your daughter is happy where she is, then you should be thinking more along the lines of what the school should be doing to help the situation.
As for me, I hated school, I'm a terrible learner and hate being stuck to schedules, timetabled in. But i need to like that or lump it in my job now, and i know i would've been a very different person had i been homeschooled, and not in a good way!!
m xx
School and learning are about so much more than just the knowledge that you absorb and about how well you can do in exams.
School provides children with life skills that I just don't see how you can get from staying at home and learning with a parent/ small group.
When you start to think of all the extras at school that are such a big part of growing up and learning, be it interaction in the lunch hall, interaction with authority figures, being part of the school community, school sports day, assemblies, walking with you mates to school, break time, drama classes, team working etc etc etc I have never felt it's right to home school.
I think children need time away from their parents and vice versa, and children need to start to learn responsibility for themselves, rather than relying on their parents to teach them everything.
I think if your daughter is happy where she is, then you should be thinking more along the lines of what the school should be doing to help the situation.
As for me, I hated school, I'm a terrible learner and hate being stuck to schedules, timetabled in. But i need to like that or lump it in my job now, and i know i would've been a very different person had i been homeschooled, and not in a good way!!
m xx
Sex God
Quote by mazandden
I think if your daughter is happy where she is, then you should be thinking more along the lines of what the school should be doing to help the situation.
m xx
I've taken all those points on board Maz and thank you
The one above is the one I am following for the time being. However if I don't get help from the school, I don't have a choice of schools to send her to and homeschooling may well be my only other option.
I am finding out though that there are loads of children who it is working for and has worked for so I'm definitely keeping a very open mind.
xxxx
Sex God
Quote by Firelizard
I think if your daughter is happy where she is, then you should be thinking more along the lines of what the school should be doing to help the situation.
m xx
I've taken all those points on board Maz and thank you
The one above is the one I am following for the time being. However if I don't get help from the school, I don't have a choice of schools to send her to and homeschooling may well be my only other option.
I am finding out though that there are loads of children who it is working for and has worked for so I'm definitely keeping a very open mind.
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Yes indeedy!
I suppose you need to work out what you all think are the most important things your daughter should get from her education (involving her) and then work out where she is best going to get these things, be that home or school. I also think it's important to remember that not everyone is good at learning in general, are you , or the school for that matter, the best to cater for the differing learning needs?
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I still am having trouble understanding how a parent with limited educational knowledge, can offer anywhere near what a school can.
Our local school whilst not being the highest in the exam tables has a fantastic array of benefits for the kids. I am finding the whole subject rather baffling. Still it is only my opinion. :shock:
Our local school whilst not being the highest in the exam tables has a fantastic array of benefits for the kids. I am finding the whole subject rather baffling. Still it is only my opinion. :shock:
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
I still am having trouble understanding how a parent with limited educational knowledge, can offer anywhere near what a school can.
Our local school whilst not being the highest in the exam tables has a fantastic array of benefits for the kids. I am finding the whole subject rather baffling. Still it is only my opinion. :shock:
I'm thinking the same as you!
I'm also remembering my mum n dad trying to help me with my homework as a child- it was a nightmare.
Whether it be simple primary school sums, they just simply weren't trained teachers so i had great difficulty understanding them!
I don't think it's just what you know about what you teach, it's how you teach it! this is what teachers are trained for.
It's sad that sometimes ( or a lot of the time) in life that the teaching part is taken over by controlling the class, but i just think that's life, and again, another part of the learning process!
Is there an option of gettin extra after school tutors in if its the learning of the subject matter thats the issue? xx
Sex God
The aim is for her to get the basics of the core subjects until she starts GCSE work, which is next year. She may or may not at this stage have dyslexia and if she has, it will have been after 4 years of me pushing for tests and being ignored by her primary school and then her Secondary school. Her head of Maths is now agreeing with me that we may have a problem.
I may not be the best there is to cover her learning needs Maz but I may still be better than the existing arrangements.
xxx
Sex God
Hopefully you will get an answer sooner rather than later, i can't believe it's taken so long, it does sound like the school is failing and surely they have to do something about it, and i can understand why you would be thinking about home schooling, you would feel more in control of her learning.
I think for me though it would be a very very last ditch option if there was absolutely no other solution!
In edit: I know home schooling is definately not for me and hopefully not ever for my children, but i also know it must be a very difficult decision to make, so it's difficult to be critical of it without knowing the full scenario!
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m xx
I think for me though it would be a very very last ditch option if there was absolutely no other solution!
In edit: I know home schooling is definately not for me and hopefully not ever for my children, but i also know it must be a very difficult decision to make, so it's difficult to be critical of it without knowing the full scenario!
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m xx
Quote by mazandden
I still am having trouble understanding how a parent with limited educational knowledge, can offer anywhere near what a school can.
Our local school whilst not being the highest in the exam tables has a fantastic array of benefits for the kids. I am finding the whole subject rather baffling. Still it is only my opinion. :shock:
I'm thinking the same as you!
I'm also remembering my mum n dad trying to help me with my homework as a child- it was a nightmare.
Whether it be simple primary school sums, they just simply weren't trained teachers so i had great difficulty understanding them!
I don't think it's just what you know about what you teach, it's how you teach it! this is what teachers are trained for.
It's sad that sometimes ( or a lot of the time) in life that the teaching part is taken over by controlling the class, but i just think that's life, and again, another part of the learning process!
Is there an option of gettin extra after school tutors in if its the learning of the subject matter thats the issue? xx
Me and mrs777 are between us quite good at most subjects on a general level. When her Daughter was 13 she was bringing work home neither of us could understand, let alone give her the answers she was looking for.
They teach completly different ways as to when we were both at school. The maths would be a nightmare. We I suppose between us could teach her the basics, but that would be with two of us. It would still fall way short of a proper school education.
Fire, have you thought about paying private to get your daughter tested for dyslexia? I don't even know if it is an option 
The other suggestion is why can't she stay in school but have home tutoring as an extra, either from you or an expert?
Would allow you to carry on with your work and studies and keep your daughter in school like she would prefer?
The other suggestion is why can't she stay in school but have home tutoring as an extra, either from you or an expert?
Would allow you to carry on with your work and studies and keep your daughter in school like she would prefer?
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
I still am having trouble understanding how a parent with limited educational knowledge, can offer anywhere near what a school can.
Our local school whilst not being the highest in the exam tables has a fantastic array of benefits for the kids. I am finding the whole subject rather baffling. Still it is only my opinion. :shock:
Hiya Kenty
Your first sentence all boils down to one thing....THE SCHOOL.
You have said that your local school has loads of benefits and that is brilliant. However not all schools are as good as others. My eldest is now an adult and even though he was not the best student in the world was given lots of opportunities at his school and did come out with his GCSE's intact. My daughter is not at his school as we don't now live in the same area.
My youngest son of 6 is going to a fantastic little school (and I mean little...60 children in the whole school) and is doing fabulously. He gets loads of attention and the school behaves like a family. The other two did not get that in their primary schools...there were about 30 pupils in their primary classes.
Without going into all the in's and out's my daughter has found life much harder so far than either of my boys both socially and in her learning. So as a person she has different needs than they do and I may have to take that on board when the decision is made.
In answer to your first paragraph Kenty...here is a list of things that might help you see what benefits homeschooling could bring.
One to one attention.
More hours in the day to study instead of a long bus journey there and back and all the wasted time during school hours due to going back and forth to different classrooms and break and lunchtimes.
0% chance of her being bullied (and yes that has been an issue this year)
Complete flexibility in the times of day and the actual days she works and also holiday times too.
As much support as you need or want from the LEA with visits and homeschooling groups.
This sounds like I have already made my mind up I know...but I have'nt. I'm just showing that there is another way and that for SOME children it could be the answer and the life boat they need.
xx
Sex God
Quote by Dawnie
Fire, have you thought about paying private to get your daughter tested for dyslexia? I don't even know if it is an option
The other suggestion is why can't she stay in school but have home tutoring as an extra, either from you or an expert?
Would allow you to carry on with your work and studies and keep your daughter in school like she would prefer?
Hi Dawnie
Yes I am giving the school one more week to get the (10 minute :? ) test done and if they don't I have just found out that I can get it done outside of school.
Home tutoring on top of school I feel would be too much for her. She leaves here at 8am and is not back until 4pm and then there is sometimes homework on top. It's too much of a long day.
I will still be carrying on with my work and studies as Stormy and I will be in this together.
At this minute in time she is staying in school and we would'nt drag her out unless it becomes necessary to do that.
I really hope that it can be sorted and that they can help her :?
Fire reading between the lines here and I may be wrong, but the bullying seems a major issue in your decisions?
Your issues above are valid to a point. I would not be interested in the ammount of time it took to get to lessons, or the journey to and from school, or even about holiday times.
My main concerns would be....do I have the aptitude and the patience and the general knowledge, to give my child the education he or she needs. For me it would be a big fat NO. I could never have given her the opportunities a " proper " school could.
The bullying is a problem of course, but they could get bullied down the local shopping centre. I would have deep issues with the school if my child was being bullied, and would make more noises than a pack of lions. They would know I was in their school if my child was being bullied, as I hate bullies with a passion.
I know you are looking into every avenue for your child, and want what is best for them. Consider what the options are as to moving to another school, sort out the bullying...it can be sorted trust me.
Good luck though Fire and if you make a decision I would appreciate a pm, as to what way you have gone....Good luck.
Your issues above are valid to a point. I would not be interested in the ammount of time it took to get to lessons, or the journey to and from school, or even about holiday times.
My main concerns would be....do I have the aptitude and the patience and the general knowledge, to give my child the education he or she needs. For me it would be a big fat NO. I could never have given her the opportunities a " proper " school could.
The bullying is a problem of course, but they could get bullied down the local shopping centre. I would have deep issues with the school if my child was being bullied, and would make more noises than a pack of lions. They would know I was in their school if my child was being bullied, as I hate bullies with a passion.
I know you are looking into every avenue for your child, and want what is best for them. Consider what the options are as to moving to another school, sort out the bullying...it can be sorted trust me.
Good luck though Fire and if you make a decision I would appreciate a pm, as to what way you have gone....Good luck.
Given that much more is known about dyslexia these days and most (if not all schools) have protocols to deal with pupils suffering from it I'm amazed that your kid's school hasn't taken the possibility onboard and has started implementing some form of protocol to deal with it.
Personally I'd be in there kicking some headmaster/headmistress ass to find out why they aren't doing their best for Ms Firefox Jnr.
Personally I'd be in there kicking some headmaster/headmistress ass to find out why they aren't doing their best for Ms Firefox Jnr.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Fire reading between the lines here and I may be wrong, but the bullying seems a major issue in your decisions?
Absolutely not Kenty it was dealt with swiftly and I was impressed with her Tutor Teacher for her perceptiveness.
Your issues above are valid to a point. I would not be interested in the ammount of time it took to get to lessons, or the journey to and from school, or even about holiday times.
In my daughters case these little bits of time add up to about 3.5 hours a day. As you say though it would not be a reason for me to say yes to homeschooling on it's own though.
My main concerns would be....do I have the aptitude and the patience and the general knowledge, to give my child the education he or she needs. For me it would be a big fat NO. I could never have given her the opportunities a " proper " school could.
For me it would be a yes but we are different people obviously.
The bullying is a problem of course, but they could get bullied down the local shopping centre. I would have deep issues with the school if my child was being bullied, and would make more noises than a pack of lions. They would know I was in their school if my child was being bullied, as I hate bullies with a passion.
We live in the sticks so don't have the problem of the local shopping centre. If we did have one she would'nt be there anyway. I was'nt allowed to do the hanging about thing and I have carried that on with my own children. I agree with you though about the bullying...it's like a red rag to a bull with me as I was bullied at school too. Although as I said earlier this is not an issue in this thread...just an aside.
I know you are looking into every avenue for your child, and want what is best for them. Consider what the options are as to moving to another school, sort out the bullying...it can be sorted trust me.
There is no other school in our area unless she goes private. We don't have that option I'm afraid.
Good luck though Fire and if you make a decision I would appreciate a pm, as to what way you have gone....Good luck.
xx
Sex God
Quote by Peanut
Given that much more is known about dyslexia these days and most (if not all schools) have protocols to deal with pupils suffering from it I'm amazed that your kid's school hasn't taken the possibility onboard and has started implementing some form of protocol to deal with it.
Personally I'd be in there kicking some headmaster/headmistress ass to find out why they aren't doing their best for Ms Firefox Jnr.
I was doing that most of last week Peanut...kicking ass I mean....so we will see
With a Mum & Dad like you two ......... she won't go far wrong! 
Ignore eveyones advice and do what feels right for your Daughter, you & stormy.
No-one knows what your situation is like until they've walked a mile in your shoes and NONE of us have ..... coz they are your shoes!!!
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
p.s. Big thanks to Confucius
Ignore eveyones advice and do what feels right for your Daughter, you & stormy.
No-one knows what your situation is like until they've walked a mile in your shoes and NONE of us have ..... coz they are your shoes!!!
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
p.s. Big thanks to Confucius
Both our kids have been homeschooled from the get go and both have worked out fine - now 16 and 14 respectively.
School is fundamentally an artificial environment - where else will you spend most of your life with a 50-50 split of males and females who just happen to have been born in the same calendar year as you?
Modern schools are more an exercise in crowd control & meeting quotas than imparting information in a thought provoking fashion, however much individual teachers may try otherwise.
As for how do you teach them, the answer is simple - you learn the stuff as well! If you love learning you have a chance to pass it on to your kids and reduce the amount of uninformed shite they get passed via peer pressure which can only be a good thing IMHO.
Sure home educating isn't for everyone (I know families where I'm glad that the kids have somewhere to go to get away from home), but if your children don't fit the pattern laid out by the system then it's got to be a better option. Most people either don't think you can or it's too hard but for a lot of people school is free childcare and that more than anything is what sets the expectation for it as low as they currently are.
My two pence worth.
School is fundamentally an artificial environment - where else will you spend most of your life with a 50-50 split of males and females who just happen to have been born in the same calendar year as you?
Modern schools are more an exercise in crowd control & meeting quotas than imparting information in a thought provoking fashion, however much individual teachers may try otherwise.
As for how do you teach them, the answer is simple - you learn the stuff as well! If you love learning you have a chance to pass it on to your kids and reduce the amount of uninformed shite they get passed via peer pressure which can only be a good thing IMHO.
Sure home educating isn't for everyone (I know families where I'm glad that the kids have somewhere to go to get away from home), but if your children don't fit the pattern laid out by the system then it's got to be a better option. Most people either don't think you can or it's too hard but for a lot of people school is free childcare and that more than anything is what sets the expectation for it as low as they currently are.
My two pence worth.
Sex God
We had an appointment today with daughters school. It was supposed to be an appointment to see the head master. We spent most of the appointment with the head of year and the key stage 3 co-ordinator making excuses for the reason that things have'nt been done over the last two years re her being tested for dyslexia and dyspraxia and about 5 minutes where the head came in and said "oh that all seems to be sorted out then" and then swiftly departed to go on to another meeting. :shock:
They have now looked at her results in tests and at her last report figures and have decided that there is definitely reason to believe that she may have both conditions. This is supposed to be a school of excellence for dyslexia and despite the fact that I have been asking for nearly two years they have only just, after we insisted on seeing the head, deigned to look and see if there is a problem......
To say I am fuming is an understatement. I half wanted to cry when they told me there is probably a problem but the other half wanted to say maybe we can help her now instead of calling her lazy, disruptive and uninterested.
They have told us they will push for the tests to be done next week so we can see to what degree she has the condition/s so again we will wait and see......
This should perhaps be in the steamroom but if I go in there, there are so many other things I am raging about that I would be in there all night
They have now looked at her results in tests and at her last report figures and have decided that there is definitely reason to believe that she may have both conditions. This is supposed to be a school of excellence for dyslexia and despite the fact that I have been asking for nearly two years they have only just, after we insisted on seeing the head, deigned to look and see if there is a problem......
To say I am fuming is an understatement. I half wanted to cry when they told me there is probably a problem but the other half wanted to say maybe we can help her now instead of calling her lazy, disruptive and uninterested.
They have told us they will push for the tests to be done next week so we can see to what degree she has the condition/s so again we will wait and see......
This should perhaps be in the steamroom but if I go in there, there are so many other things I am raging about that I would be in there all night
