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Are you always in "swinger mind frame"? Do you ever feel funny/weird/uncomfortable when you come across friends who have/will play with your playmates? I know this what the scene is all about..but is it normal to sometimes feel that way, or is it indication you're not cut out for this?
no.
i have a fight coming up in september and have 3 weeks solid training 7 hours a day so my frame of mind isnt all on sex.
i understand what you say about feeling uncomfortable coming across people youve played with but for me its always good to see them even if its just for a drink or in passing.
i think you have to keep one part of yourself for you.
and the rest for the playing. a sort of different you,that naughty girl inside that youve let loose for a bit.
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no.
i have a fight coming up in september and have 3 weeks solid training 7 hours a day so my frame of mind isnt all on sex.
i understand what you say about feeling uncomfortable coming across people youve played with but for me its always good to see them even if its just for a drink or in passing.
i think you have to keep one part of yourself for you.
and the rest for the playing. a sort of different you,that naughty girl inside that youve let loose for a bit.

you' ve killed my post. I'm talking about people who know people you've played with who are people who have or may have or will play with your people blink
fuck it I've lost it too now :dry:
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no.
i have a fight coming up in september and have 3 weeks solid training 7 hours a day so my frame of mind isnt all on sex.
i understand what you say about feeling uncomfortable coming across people youve played with but for me its always good to see them even if its just for a drink or in passing.
i think you have to keep one part of yourself for you.
and the rest for the playing. a sort of different you,that naughty girl inside that youve let loose for a bit.

you' ve killed my post. I'm talking about people who know people you've played with who are people who have or may have or will play with your people blink
fuck it I've lost it too now :dry:
I knew what you meant smile
Anyway.... I/we have moved away from a few similar situations in the past. I feel things get this way when you get involved with a social group or club group that meet fairly often. I don't mind reading a shrep or similar on other sites and finding someone we played with played with someone else we played with. However when your sat next to someone and that person says "Oh you see XXXXX over there you should try them there fucking great Mr XXXX will make your Mrs gush like a fountain and her well .....". Ive had a very similar conversation and it goes right past my level comfortable so we backed well away from that particular group. I found when people have conversations such as that then people also know to much about each other. Within the same group I was told several pieces of personal information by third parties like "Mr YYYY can make Mrs XXXX cum during penatrative sex but Mr XXXX cant make her cum that way" Not really sure Mr XXXX wanted me knowing that dunno
All just seemed a bit weird so I keep away from that crowd and situations like that in general now.
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Anyway.... I/we have moved away from a few similar situations in the past. I feel things get this way when you get involved with a social group or club group that meet fairly often. I don't mind reading a shrep or similar on other sites and finding someone we played with played with someone else we played with. However when your sat next to someone and that person says "Oh you see XXXXX over there you should try them there fucking great Mr XXXX will make your Mrs gush like a fountain and her well .....". Ive had a very similar conversation and it goes right past my level comfortable so we backed well away from that particular group. I found when people have conversations such as that then people also know to much about each other. Within the same group I was told several pieces of personal information by third parties like "Mr YYYY can make Mrs XXXX cum during penatrative sex but Mr XXXX cant make her cum that way" Not really sure Mr XXXX wanted me knowing that dunno
All just seemed a bit weird so I keep away from that crowd and situations like that in general now.

Yeah....
That kind of intimate knowledge withing a group who meet regularly makes me feel kind of uncomfortable as well...
Also being part of a large group who meet socially quite often and do play with each other at different times regularly but never involve you and everyone in the group knows it :lol2:
Kinda makes you feel like the odd one out....
I don't really socialize much with any swinging group per say, but I've never felt uncomfortable within a group where the details of each's involvement, within the group or otherwise, was fairly common knowledge. I don't feel awkward if I see former partners swopping around, and others will make assumptions based on what they perceive. I do, however believe that common rules of discretion should apply. I might be seen to leave a party with a certain partner, but, if my mate asks how it went, the details will remain confidential. Now I know people like to share details with their closest friend, and that's just human nature, it won't bother me.
I'm the same as skinny really. Doesn't bother me at all. Having sex, socialising or chatting online within the same group will always create a situation where people know intimate details about you. It goes with the territory. In my opinion that's what gives the swinging scene an exciting edge. It's that same wavelength that people can find themselves on, its something that I can connect with and enjoy. Granted there will always be certain things that may be over stepping the mark with 'detail sharing' such as certain details that you know someone else wouldn't want to become common knowledge. But then that's where common sense comes into it.  I do however feel that you can enjoy the swinging scene while at the same time find trusting connections. 
Granted its something that may not be for everyone.. But part of the experience is that you work out what works for you and what doesn't.
Mag ;)
I guess it's always a bit of a shock for someone new on the scene when they experience that. It's not something you're used to in the vanilla world..Your friends don't shag your friends, well atleast not with your knowledge wink Maybe it's something a lot of people don't think about when they join a "virtual" swinging pool..virtual=hundreds of anonymous users out there, so what are the chances! But I guess the number of GENUINE users is not that high in each area, so it becomes inevitable..
Is that what people mean by "hardened swingers" then? When you've learnt exactly how to separate vanilla experiences/outlooks from swinging..? My question then was, no matter how experienced and detached you are, are there moments when human nature/vanilla outlook just creeps up and you think to yourself "I really don't want to think about XXX playing with YYY"
Personally, I started off as a vanilla single gal just interested in going to a club..and now find myself discussing various topics, organising to go to socials, making friends, and meeting great guys/couples..in a very short space of time. A lot to get your head round, I mean I used to be such a good muslim girl not long ago.. :wink: off to make me a bacon sarnie dumdeedumdum :twisted:
I think we must be different, our world evolves around the swinging scene and the swinging community, but I don't think there is anything wrong with that.
For the last 13 years or so I have worked in the swinging industry, at Chameleons, Utopia, Papillon des Alpes (swingers hotel in the alps), my own guest house that catered exclusively to swingers visiting chameleons and now the same thing in the Stoke area.
Every friend we have is a swinger and we have met them in the scene some we play with some we don't.
But swinging does not rule my life in the same way that your (anyones) work rules thier lives, true it influences it but not rules.
Almost every Thursday we meet up with friends that we have known for around 5 years, we have played with them on 4 occasions and will probably do so again, but every week we meet up for a social night, we have been on holiday together, to the cinema, bowling and often go out for a meal but mostly we get together for an evening of music, socialising and playing games on the Wii.
On Saturday night a couple we have also known for about 5 years came over from Nottingham to go to atlantisEVOLUTION with us, we have never played with them, one day we might, who cares, we had a great night with them at the club and arranged to get together again next Saturday to visit Xotix Xtreme in Heanor, Derby, we also met up with them a week last Friday to visit atlantis.
There are many other friends we meet socially, some we have played with some we have not.
One of the things that makes the friendships so good is that we can talk freely about almost anything, we don't have to hide our lifestyle and over the years we have found that once you can discuss intimate sex life details, being honest about anything else becomes easier.
We think being so "like minded" in our beliefs enhances friendships.
As for Swinging itself, the history of mankind shows that swingers are normal and polywotsits are the strange ones.
Name me something in your life that you need to do or enjoy doing and where you don't need variety ? work, even the factories realised many years ago that a production line does not produce as much if there is no variety for the workers, in your house do you have the same colour scheme, pictures, ornaments in every room ?
Humans thrive on variety, the same applies to sex, even monogomous couples like to try different positions, locations, outfits etc. You can love one person but love and sex are two different things, I make love to Sasha but I have sex with other women, because I enjoy variety.
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But swinging does not rule my life in the same way that your (anyones) work rules thier lives, true it influences it but not rules.

Both working and socialising in the Swinging enviroment I'd disagree and say it has more of a "rule" over your life than work does mine..
Again, I find myself siding with skinny,
I think discretion is the better part of valour!
I attend chams quite regular, and so know quite a few people but on the occassions
when someone has tried to tell what makes Mrs xxxx gush, I've just said 'don't tell me I'd rather find out for myself!' I believe some things are personal and for exploring yourself. But I haven't had it happen that often either!
As for awkwardness when seeing others playing with someone you've played with, I seem to recall that bothering me at the start, yes it is just a vanilla hangup as you think people will be judgemental of you as they are in vanilla world.
I think its becasue they are your first swinging partners and even if they don't know it, they are special to you!
But those feelings become less important as you get into the lifestlye, when you realise that no one is judging you, they are just trying to..............enlighten you lol
Hope that makes sense and helps, but as one single fem to another, email me if its not clear wink
I accept that once you are on the scene details of just about everything will be shared. Some people are more gossipy than others, have already been told that details of at least one of our meets has been discussed with others. I think that's always going to happen you cant avoid it. However different from most of those above I distance us from friendships in a way. We go to clubs, we meet random people, we play, we leave feedback and that's how I like it. I don't particularly feel the need to have swinging friends I don't feel the need to discuss swinging. We can fit everything we need from the scene into the nights we go out on. We have friends from here who we met way back when who we meet up with once in a while we never play and never will. When we meet with them its literally just a social, don't think swinging or sex hardly ever gets brought up.
I worked it out quickly after joining that most people (well, the women that are/were here mainly) are pretty discrete about who does what with who.
In person though, theres a lot of chat between them and when there used to be a lot of munchies it was quite obvious who was going off with who.
Theres a big difference between a public forum and chat between mutual friends. I've previously asked people to amend posts which make it obvious we've met up but on the other side i've had several playmates tell me i'd been 'recommended' by a previous meet- and i'd be stupid if i'd not indulged in the resulting fun from that recommendation :twisted: :rascal:
Many people in swingworld value discretion and trust very highly and you'll do yourself no favours if you break that.
(hope that makes sense, too much work and not enough sleep)
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Again, I find myself siding with skinny,
I think discretion is the better part of valour!
I attend chams quite regular, and so know quite a few people but on the occassions
when someone has tried to tell what makes Mrs xxxx gush, I've just said 'don't tell me I'd rather find out for myself!' I believe some things are personal and for exploring yourself. But I haven't had it happen that often either!
As for awkwardness when seeing others playing with someone you've played with, I seem to recall that bothering me at the start, yes it is just a vanilla hangup as you think people will be judgemental of you as they are in vanilla world.
I think its becasue they are your first swinging partners and even if they don't know it, they are special to you!
But those feelings become less important as you get into the lifestlye, when you realise that no one is judging you, they are just trying to..............enlighten you lol
Hope that makes sense and helps, but as one single fem to another, email me if its not clear wink

Thank you scubamum! You really got where I was coming from :wink: x
Re: previous answer...think i was off on a tangent from the previous posts with the discretion (see, i told you i was tired wink )
so, to answer the original question, it doesn't bother me seeing seeing or knowing other people with playmates. Might be because i see a big difference between the people i'd have fun with and someone i'd consider dating.
For swinging there has to be a physical attraction and some degree of personality attraction, for something long term there needs to be a big extra. i've met a few ladies that have come close, but not close enough, so maybe thats why theres no jealousy of any sort, maybe a sort of dividing line between swingworld and vanilla world? If i was in a swinging relationship i might be more inclined to request a 'veto' if i didn't want a partner to meet certain people and i know a few couples who do this when they play individually.
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Are you always in "swinger mind frame"? Do you ever feel funny/weird/uncomfortable when you come across friends who have/will play with your playmates? I know this what the scene is all about..but is it normal to sometimes feel that way, or is it indication you're not cut out for this?

An interesting one this...
Once upon a time I visited a club with a guy I had met via a friend on here. He wasn't a member of SH but had, I was led to believe, lots of experience in the 'swinging' scene. I noticed on the Club Meets forum here that there was a gathering of SH-ers meeting at the club that night and, from the names on the list, there were going to be a few people I knew there and some of them I had played with or in their company. Out of what I thought was courtesy, I mentioned to the guy I was going with that there would be people I knew there. He was instantly defensive. Wanted to know who I'd played with etc. I wasn't letting on. When we got there, oh my, he wouldn't let me out of his sight!
So I guess different folk react in different ways!
I go to plenty of social events/munches etc where I know that people have played with people I've played with. Doesn't overly bother me. I don't publicise who they are, but it makes for very interesting people watching!
I guess you get better at the detachment.
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So I guess different folk react in different ways!

I guess thats just it. There is no right or wrong way to behave (or feel). Everyone reacts differently to any given situation. It is only through exprience that you realise what is, and what isnt for you. No one has to conform to anyone elses ideals.... But working out what you dig, can be fun humpdrinkies
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No one has to conform to anyone elses ideals.... But working out what you dig, can be fun humpdrinkies

Working out whoyou dig can be even more fun :twisted:
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No one has to conform to anyone elses ideals.... But working out what you dig, can be fun humpdrinkies

Working out whoyou dig can be even more fun :twisted:
Lets get digging !!!:thumbup:
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No one has to conform to anyone elses ideals.... But working out what you dig, can be fun humpdrinkies

Working out whoyou dig can be even more fun :twisted:
Lets get digging !!!:thumbup:
Are you inside my head?! :rascal:
Yep, sorry, i really should have waited for the invite wink Its mazing in here though !!:eeek::eek::wanker:
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Yep, sorry, i really should have waited for the invite wink Its mazing in here though !!:eeek::eek::wanker:

Oh. You've wandered into the filthy corner then?! I'm glad I didn't clean it up today then lol
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Yep, sorry, i really should have waited for the invite wink Its mazing in here though !!:eeek::eek::wanker:

Oh. You've wandered into the filthy corner then?! I'm glad I didn't clean it up today then lol
Corner!.. Its all filthy !!!.. its a bloody mess in here!.. :wink: Its my kind of mind :twisted:
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Are you always in "swinger mind frame"? Do you ever feel funny/weird/uncomfortable when you come across friends who have/will play with your playmates? I know this what the scene is all about..but is it normal to sometimes feel that way, or is it indication you're not cut out for this?

99.9% of the time I am detached of all real emotion when liaising, faking love not making love :P
This is not the same as real dating with intention to me!
As I am not looking for bodily monogamy in a lover I am comfortable with them having sexual liaisons with randoms too, even mutual swinging friends.
I draw the line at having a regular or 'dating' someone else if we are a team though! ;)
Just my personal view and opinion, it may change in the future smile
Pam xx
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As I am not looking for bodily monogamy in a lover

:thumbup: Sorry to snip, but I *love* that phrase! Brilliant.
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no.
i have a fight coming up in september and have 3 weeks solid training 7 hours a day so my frame of mind isnt all on sex.
i understand what you say about feeling uncomfortable coming across people youve played with but for me its always good to see them even if its just for a drink or in passing.
i think you have to keep one part of yourself for you.
and the rest for the playing. a sort of different you,that naughty girl inside that youve let loose for a bit.

you've killed my post. I'm talking about people who know people you've played with who are people who have or may have or will play with your people blink
fuck it I've lost it too now :dry:
Clearly he never killed your thread lol
But that aside he has a point, which is valid to your original question.
Swingers often talk about 'our community' or words to that effect. Well given that in any community people know people, who know people, who know people, etc it is highly likely that sooner or later you will meet a third party that knows yourself and the second party. And may very well have slept with them.
So what?
The guy I quoted above is talking about meeting someone he might have met and how he felt? He says he keeps a 'part for himself' therefore stopping himself becoming attached emotionally. Isn't that extremely relevant here?
After all, what you are talking about borders on jealousy which surely isn't detaching yourself, but getting too involved and feeling funny/weird/uncomfortable, and therefore not in concept with swinging.
We are fortunate in that we have a fair few swinger friends who are acquainted and know each other as well as us, a few we've played with many we haven, we do talk about swinging and swing related issues between but never the intimate details about what we do with whoever.
There has been a time or two where we have been on a meet and the experience has been uniquely different, to the point of being remarkable and worth mentioning, but that only happens very rarely. We've never put a face to a name or a name to face(s) when recounting and have only told of something if the likelihood of that said person or people we'd met and it's uniquely noteworthy experience, being made identification extremely remote.
As a matter of course we and the the people we hangout with will get to know who is doing who, or who has done who, but that's cool as long as whats done with who and how its done? well that ain't up for discussion.
I guess that the only instance I can recount of feeling really pissed off with someone we knew within our circle of acquaintances was when, at a large social. We had spent a little time with a couple and sort of got to the nitty gritty of talking about the possibility of dragging them back to our hotel. all going good until they had a call on the mobile from someone that they met regularly (don't know who) saying to get their arse over to theirs for play. The couple told us they were going because they knew that it would be a guaranteed hot night for them.
Well you can sort of imagine how we felt for a bit after being blown out for someone else. Not so good. Although on reflection, very shortly after, we thought who could blame them? Either swing with us not knowing if we'd be a good or bad meet or go swing with what they knew would be hot. We'd gone for to a social with no plans other than social but open to them. We got what we went for and they was cool. We've never yet played with that couple yet we now are friends and happy with that and that possibly one day when the time is right we know and they know that we'll play.
Lets face it we all profess to be honest and want others to be honest when in 99% of cases we're all bloody dishonest in having to be so covert about what what we do in swing world eg;

"Hey Kids". We're out for a BBQ at your dads old school mates and will be back late so be good to the sitter for us".
Whilst secretly patting our pocket full of condoms knowing that the next hour will be fun getting six people going to just one room past the reception of a hotel without being stopped and spending the next few hours screwing each other silly. Then on getting back home.
"Hi kids we're home. "Yeah it was great seeing old school mates but the BBQ was crap we should of come home earlier to be honest". "You were right". "It really is too cold to do one in February"
"Have you been good to the sitter".

Saying this whilst watching your Mrs attempting to sneakily climb the stairs behind you with some sort of wobbly decorum, all the time knowing that, her legs hips and back are killing her because she's been fucked rotten and in each and every way for the last four hours and the tights she's come home in ain't the same pattern as the stockings she went out in.
Swinging requires honesty, of course it does, but its a 'very' tailored to kneed version.
Ok so I went off on one but hey thats how it goes smile
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Are you always in "swinger mind frame"? Do you ever feel funny/weird/uncomfortable when you come across friends who have/will play with your playmates? I know this what the scene is all about..but is it normal to sometimes feel that way, or is it indication you're not cut out for this?

Like life there are different types of people on here. There are those that don't mind the full openness of swinging, group meets, parties, socials etc and join in the bigger society of it all. There are others that quietly go about they business that keep things much more personal and to themselves. Neither is right or wrong it is just like general life we do things differently. It is about yourself feeling comfortable with the role you look for within. When we use to meet I was more a periphery person and met people with a like mindset to our own.
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no.
i have a fight coming up in september and have 3 weeks solid training 7 hours a day so my frame of mind isnt all on sex.
i understand what you say about feeling uncomfortable coming across people youve played with but for me its always good to see them even if its just for a drink or in passing.
i think you have to keep one part of yourself for you.
and the rest for the playing. a sort of different you,that naughty girl inside that youve let loose for a bit.

you've killed my post. I'm talking about people who know people you've played with who are people who have or may have or will play with your people blink
fuck it I've lost it too now :dry:
Clearly he never killed your thread lol
But that aside he has a point, which is valid to your original question.
Swingers often talk about 'our community' or words to that effect. Well given that in any community people know people, who know people, who know people, etc it is highly likely that sooner or later you will meet a third party that knows yourself and the second party. And may very well have slept with them.
So what?
The guy I quoted above is talking about meeting someone he might have met and how he felt? He says he keeps a 'part for himself' therefore stopping himself becoming attached emotionally. Isn't that extremely relevant here?
After all, what you are talking about borders on jealousy which surely isn't detaching yourself, but getting too involved and feeling funny/weird/uncomfortable, and therefore not in concept with swinging.
My question is not whether detaching yourself is in concept with the swinging world or not-I know it is. I'm asking whether sometimes you just can't help yourself and you do feel a bit funny/weird/uncomfortable..I was wondering if that came with experience and time or whether even the most "hardened swingers" can slip into feeling that way on occasion..
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My question is not whether detaching yourself is in concept with the swinging world or not-I know it is. I'm asking whether sometimes you just can't help yourself and you do feel a bit funny/weird/uncomfortable..I was wondering if that came with experience and time or whether even the most "hardened swingers" can slip into feeling that way on occasion..

If you are single that's fine. You like someone Else's partner a bit but not that much? I guess most singles no not to go there. Though if your in a couple then its a problem. If you understand swinging as a couple fully then you shouldn't be getting those types of feelings about other people. If you do then you should be mentally and emotionally mature enough to know that you switch it off.
Sadly that does not always happen and as we have seen over the years some people find the other person or the other persons partner as a preferable option. We all play with fire here to a degree. That's actually another part of the reason for my stance in previous posts. I think its sensible to keep contact with the scene and the people within it to specific nights and not as a way of life.
That's in general btw M1ssvery not directed at you specifically