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do you think the site should have a verification system

Quote by Witchy
I do believe there was something much more recently too...

Witchy, please don't take this the wrong way, I am purely trying to understand your thoughts.
Why are you so strong about not having Shrep and suggesting you will leave when your account can't have more than a couple of months to run?
I really hope you get to see Shrep before you leave just to see what you think :thumbup:
As Elliot’s comments were based on the existing membership in 2005 – (1) how many of these still survive as members?, (2) do they still feel the same? (3) are the post 2005 members excluded from having a ‘say’ on the subject?
Being a pre 2005 member (with a singles account) – at the time I had the same feelings that the community of members were more important than the commercial takeover and that the ‘voice’ should be taken into account when making commercial decisions about the site.
However, the world moves on and so do we. Now having a post 2005 couples account (and I suppose older and wiser). My views have changed, we no longer have many of the ‘old guard’ left, the majority of the membership is now post 2005’ers and if the figures are accurate from the survey 70% of respondents do want a ‘verification system’ and quite rightly the ‘commercial’ owners have listened and are/have developed a system that the CURRENT majority are asking for!
We all have gripes over the site – every change made has created a yes/no faction. As this is now a commercial enterprise, some things will work, some won’t. Each has to be given time to bed-in and the success or failure of it will be judged by the number of users who adopt it or vote with their feet to move to another site(s). It matters not one iota if the site has this function or that function or not, if the commercials don’t add up at the end of the year the site would either be sold to a new owner or closed and where would we all go then? banghead
Notes the magic 100th post!!! lol
I can imagine the possibility of a system which screens out those things you don't want to see or use. Which is how the Extras package is run.
But this is likely to introduce a teired sytem of memberships. Obviously those with all the benefits pay more. So there would be a swingers 'basics'. 'own brand', 'taste the difference' etc. Jeeez............
But it seems that the lack of a v system gives the impression of a level playing field for all, which I think is what people would imagine they would lose.
SHREP!!! Isn't that the big gormless green fella?
Quote by Dawnie
I do believe there was something much more recently too...

Witchy, please don't take this the wrong way, I am purely trying to understand your thoughts.
Why are you so strong about not having Shrep and suggesting you will leave when your account can't have more than a couple of months to run?
I really hope you get to see Shrep before you leave just to see what you think :thumbup:
A day or so ago when I reiterated my thoughts, I pointed out that my leaving upon the introduction of SHrep was "a bit of an empty threat/promise" as I'm not here for much longer anyway...but yes, I'd still be leaving on principle if I was still using my old style, free account. You'll just have to take my word for that.
I'd love to cast an eye on the system before I'm off, I am always curious and it does sound interesting at the very least. Having read the thoughts of those who've seen it, it does sound like a lot of works gone into it- I do take that on board.
I'm still voicing an opinion, not because it will make a difference to me, but because I still hold the same view. Some may say that makes me a Luddite- they'd be wrong. I embrace change, but I think that this one is wrong.
It was always a losing battle since the takeover. Verification makes commercial sense. When I first signed up, SH was head and shoulders above the rest in terms of community, and functionality. The functionality of the site has improved in recent years with the post takeover investment, but I think that as far as community goes, it's losing it's edge. Hopefully my post about moving house explained my feelings on the subject.
I'll shrug my shoulders as I shut the gate...but I believe that some of my friends, and many I've never met, will suffer. Some people who like the idea of being verified may well gain. Such is life.
Quote by varca
Yes things move on but people only think that they need a verification system, the majority of the 70% who voted yes probably have very little idea of the pros and cons (mostly cons)
Can any of the reviewers tell us here and now if there will be a facility within Shrep to approve any verification before it appears on your profile? If there is then it is totally and utterly pointless.

Varca, as adults use this site it is very assumptive of you to say that those who voted yes probably have very little idea etc.
Your argument about it being pointless is subjective. You are entitled to your opinion as are the people who don't share it. People will use the site to meet their needs, that is all. Everyone who is on this site has something they get out of it. Once the site isn't giving them what they want they will leave. Whether that is verification, deception, fucking, fantasy etc etc. We are all here because we get something.
As I have said before I have used verification to verify others and have deleted verification of me. That certainly doesn't mean it is pointless it means that I am using it the way that works for me.
Quote by Witchy
I do believe there was something much more recently too...

Witchy, please don't take this the wrong way, I am purely trying to understand your thoughts.
Why are you so strong about not having Shrep and suggesting you will leave when your account can't have more than a couple of months to run?
I really hope you get to see Shrep before you leave just to see what you think :thumbup:
A day or so ago when I reiterated my thoughts, I pointed out that my leaving upon the introduction of SHrep was "a bit of an empty threat/promise" as I'm not here for much longer anyway...but yes, I'd still be leaving on principle if I was still using my old style, free account. You'll just have to take my word for that.
I'd love to cast an eye on the system before I'm off, I am always curious and it does sound interesting at the very least. Having read the thoughts of those who've seen it, it does sound like a lot of works gone into it- I do take that on board.
I'm still voicing an opinion, not because it will make a difference to me, but because I still hold the same view. Some may say that makes me a Luddite- they'd be wrong. I embrace change, but I think that this one is wrong.
It was always a losing battle since the takeover. Verification makes commercial sense. When I first signed up, SH was head and shoulders above the rest in terms of community, and functionality. The functionality of the site has improved in recent years with the post takeover investment, but I think that as far as community goes, it's losing it's edge. Hopefully my post about moving house explained my feelings on the subject.
I'll shrug my shoulders as I shut the gate...but I believe that some of my friends, and many I've never met, will suffer. Some people who like the idea of being verified may well gain. Such is life.
Witchy thank you for taking time to explain and I really do hope that you get to see what Shrep is about before you leave :thumbup:
Quote by varca
Yes things move on but people only think that they need a verification system, the majority of the 70% who voted yes probably have very little idea of the pros and cons (mostly cons)

Wow, thats a bit of a statement, suggesting that that many of the members don't even know they said yes to confused
Quote by varca
Can any of the reviewers tell us here and now if there will be a facility within Shrep to approve any verification before it appears on your profile? If there is then it is totally and utterly pointless.

I am unable to confirm or deny anything at all about Shrep.
However, I will suggest that you give SH a bit of credit and allow them to show you what they have come up with before you jump to any wrong conclusions.
You know what, am done arguing.
Let those that think "Any verification is a bad thing and I will leave" leave if they want to. If they think verification on this is a bad thing, then by inference every site with verification is wrong.
Let those that think change, progression and evolution are a strange concept pass on my regards to the dinosaurs.
Let those that wanna gamble on the comparative and historical stats and trends between unverified communities and "numpties" vs "the other camp" switch places as an unverified single male for 6 months rest easy that anonymity will protect them.
For me, in the 3 years of random accusations (racism, , std-riddled, questionable character, desperate, even married,... and more!) they never got to know me, I know verification won't assure any of them of these but hey I'm still up for it.
What am I against? The pending quick meets system. I'm not comfortable with a system that, by publicly posting ads, enables the whole site to effectively not only see when am free for meets, but also the suggestion that by posting I'm looking to meet "anyone".
Right, rant over - Happy New Year!
Quote by Ahabs
You know what, am done arguing.
Let those that think "Any verification is a bad thing and I will leave" leave if they want to. If they think verification on this is a bad thing, then by inference every site with verification is wrong.
Let those that think change, progression and evolution are a strange concept pass on my regards to the dinosaurs.
Let those that wanna gamble on the comparative and historical stats and trends between unverified communities and "numpties" vs "the other camp" switch places as an unverified single male for 6 months rest easy that anonymity will protect them.
For me, in the 3 years of random accusations (racism, , std-riddled, questionable character, desperate, even married,... and more!) they never got to know me, I know verification won't assure any of them of these but hey I'm still up for it.
What am I against? The pending quick meets system. I'm not comfortable with a system that, by publicly posting ads, enables the whole site to effectively not only see when am free for meets, but also the suggestion that by posting I'm looking to meet "anyone".
Right, rant over - Happy New Year!

Can't really say fairer than that :thumbup:
Each to their own, hmm?
Happy new year to you too, Ahabs smile
Quote by varca
Hence I used the word 'probably' If those who voted yes had taken the time to read such a thread as this, many may have changed their minds. Anyway, it is coming regardless and I welcome the idea that even I may be pleasantly surprised biggrin I doubt it though :lol2:
The fact that you can/have deleted verification of you is the point which makes a verification system pointless. I appreciate the way you personally utilise a verification system but if we are talking about other members, some verification that may have been written about them may be negative and they could just easily not approve/delete it so no-one ever gets to see it. They just leave the postive reviews/whatever on view and so can anyone really make an informed decision as to whether that member is a timewaster or not?

Timewasting like anything else is subjective. You are, again, stating your opinion as fact... or indeed suggesting it.
everything about this site is for people's benefit.
Nothing is right or wrong unless it contravenes the AUP. Just because you (or I) say something does not automatically make it 'right' It is still opinion. Nothing more exciting than that.
Quote by varca

I think a system will be devised which actually works for those who want it and appears to be a failure for those that don't. That should satisfy everyone.

It's not just about that though Duncan, it's as Steve said, it's also about broken promises....
Just for clarification, when and who made this promise?
Cheers
I found it!!!! Page 23 of a 36 page thread.. http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopicpage/63698/440.html
Ohhh my eyes and mouse hand are now rather sore :lol2:
Posted on 19th November 2005 at by Elliot - Admin
Quote by Elliot
Sorry for delayed reply, I have been behind the scenes sorting more stuff out, pm’s etc etc.
....snip/
Fabio – as said above verification will not be implemented due to the reaction received here!
...snip....
Thanks to everyone for the input, im now off to tackle the inbox again

Guess we were given a bum steer eh....
Varca
Many thanks for taking the time to seek that out. I think other people have already commented enough on it so I have nothing to add. Think enough has been said her now in general, but again thanks for looking that up.
Ohh and I nearly! kept my clothes on but not quite. Shame I couldn't find you in the dark :haha:
Bloody 'ell Varca, that was a right blast from the past! Was it really that long ago? And how did you manage to find it, cos the search button is neither use nor ornament every time I try to use it? ;)
Quick few questions to Admins and Mods . . .
This 70% of members wanted it thing that's being bandied about? What was the sample size exactly? i.e. How many, exactly, of the million plus members we allegedly have were actually arsed enough to demand verification when asked?
The legal protection before implementation? Is that solely to make sure noone else can nick it, or so that Admin can sell it, if it works?
Is SHREPS being put in place because it makes life easier and safer for the genuine members of this website, or is it mainly about purely commercial considerations?
I ask merely for infomation? ((( TM Ice Pie 2004 ))) Just so I can work out if this is what the members of SH actually asked for, you understand?
N x x x ;)
Neil, from memory there were a series of questionnaires emailed (maybe?) and definitely on everyone's homepages for them to complete. Verification was just one of the things discussed.
I can't remember the stats off the top of my head but I do remember being fairly convinced when told the amount who had responded and the percentage in favour of verification.
If you look at the stats about numbers of people online now (4162 as I type) and the number of folk in the forum (will check in a min, but has been averaging around 30 or so for the past day or so) it is useful to remember that the forum users (who are the ones having the 'big' verification debate) are an incredibly small minority of site users.
I used to be against verification until I used it on another site. From what I've seen of SHrep it is far more well-thought out and genuinely user-friendly than most other sites' systems... so you can't blame Admin wanted to protect their development, can you? wink
well as of now 277 people have voted.
(277/1,100,000) * 100 = %
Where did the 70% come from?
Quote by duncanlondon
well as of now 277 people have voted.
(277/1,100,000) * 100 = %
Where did the 70% come from?

The figure didn't come from this poll in the forum. Nola has explained in the post above you where the figure came from.
Quote by poshkate
well as of now 277 people have voted.
(277/1,100,000) * 100 = %
Where did the 70% come from?

The figure didn't come from this poll in the forum. Nola has explained in the post above you where the figure came from.
It was Neil who mentioned 70%. In the thread above Nola.
Yes, he mentioned it in reference to other people having used it in reference to the survey that was done. I was merely pointing out the fact that that figure was not based on the outcome of a poll in the forum. smile
Quote by poshkate
Yes, he mentioned it in reference to other people having used it in reference to the survey that was done. I was merely pointing out the fact that that figure was not based on the outcome of a poll in the forum. smile

I know that.
Quote by noladreams
If you look at the stats about numbers of people online now (4162 as I type) and the number of folk in the forum (will check in a min, but has been averaging around 30 or so for the past day or so) it is useful to remember that the forum users (who are the ones having the 'big' verification debate) are an incredibly small minority of site users.

It's also worth remembering that whilst it's true that the number of active forum users represents a small minority of total site users, it is the only place on the site where we can debate the 'big' issues ((( the only other place would be the chatroom, and that's a bit too ephemeral for proper debate, IMO. ))) and it is open to anyone that can actually be arsed enough about a particular issue to bother expressing an opinion. The forum then is as much a representative sample as the tiny minority of total site users who were arsed enough to click into a survey conducted over a number of weeks full of closed questions? confused Not much in the way of numbers forthcoming on the 70% thing, but 53.3% of those who expressed an opinion against in the poll on this thread so far? :?
N x x x ;)
That's a point:
Newsletters.
I've never recieved a newletter.
I only became aware by accident that 'stuff' of 'import' occassionaly appears on the homepage.
No alerts.
lp
Just out of interest... is anyone paying attention to the poll on this thread while all the chatter is going on? dunno
Not a huge amount of votes considering the overall membership which probably just confirms that the forum community is just a small part of the site. However, even more interesting is that there's not much in it where the voting here is concerned.
Maybe it's worth waiting to see what SHREP is all about before writing it off? I don't really care about verification. It will have no effect for me whatsoever. If those who want it can use it, those who don't want it don't have to use it then surely everyone is a winner?
Quote by Dirtygirly
Just out of interest... is anyone paying attention to the poll on this thread while all the chatter is going on? dunno
Not a huge amount of votes considering the overall membership which probably just confirms that the forum community is just a small part of the site. However, even more interesting is that there's not much in it where the voting here is concerned.
Maybe it's worth waiting to see what SHREP is all about before writing it off? I don't really care about verification. It will have no effect for me whatsoever. If those who want it can use it, those who don't want it don't have to use it then surely everyone is a winner?

yes I agree with your first point. Its a small percentage of all the supposed membership.
Less than 1 percent. But perhaps this is an issue which may well need a vote if its so important.
Quote by duncanlondon
yes I agree with your first point. Its a small percentage of all the supposed membership.
Less than 1 percent. But perhaps this is an issue which may well need a vote if its so important.

And it has had a vote. Both here and in the survey. dunno
You know the bottom line though. wink
Bollox to murgatroyd
It's like A level sodding geography with the hows and why's on surveys in here lol - What we need is a good old fashioned brazzier lit and people with flat caps shouting, in very heavily accented voices, out over a crowd things like "What do we want!"..."Fuck knows"...."When do we want it!"......"NOW!"
OK so forum is a piddly little part of the site (though I think Neils last post on this thread is on the money :thumbupsmile For f*cks sake how many site "Officials" need to tell us that eh? Well I for one think i and others who bother to contribute are more important than piddly. OK so maybe there are only a few contributing players so to speak but look at the hits on the threads by people eh? ON this thread alone over 14 thousand reads. Not an insignificant number.
OK so its time for big bad modman to slap another person somewhere down and lock the thread I guess but for fucks sake I aint INSIGFUCKINGNIFICANT!
Here Here!
lp
I don't see why the thread would be locked - unless people start getting unnecessarily abusive or contravening the AUP dunno
I wasn't insinuating that forum users are insignificant - why would I when I myself am a forum user? What I was trying to say was that the thread, by virtue of its nature as a forum thread, is only going to represent a small proportion of the views of SH-users because so few people use the forum.
It would be great if more people got involved and had their say - but then I believe that is what Admin were attempting when they made a questionnaire available for everyone.
No method of info collection is perfect - but surely you can appreciate that by offering everyone an opportunity to express their opinions, an attempt was being made to take on board people's views?
And I'm saying that as a site and forum user not, as Lost would have it, in any kind of 'official' capacity.
so how about, as I believe has been previously mentioned, having the 'actual' numbers of votes, and the spread of opinion displayed or accessable?
Not as 'statistics', but as real & representative figures?
So there may be no feeling of being 'hoodwinked' (not a fetish version of the 'wink' system, btw).
as for the forum being representative, well I believe we are.
We are as broad a spectrum of people here in the Cafe as those that use the entire site, or remain purely in the ads, or chat, or indeed in every area of the site, as we are indeed all people.
one could feel a little dismissed, if I weren't such a thick skinned, dyed-in-the-wool bastard-hardcase.
lp
I think the idea that a system for those who want it,works. Those that don't; need not be included in it but can still use the site in its current state. that seems fair enough. But there seems to be something missing in being able to run the two concurrently.
The groups thing didn't appear to achieve anything other than 'kettling' people whereupon they simply dissipated their energies. This was presented as another thing which appeared to have potential, but from what I can see proved to be pointless.
Leaving messages also appeared to be the nearest thing to a v system. But there's not much to be gained from them other than the fairly obvious.
But I think these are things which have been implemented to keep the party going, and as such have not been taken up significantly enough to cause either damage or benefit. So I wonder how much effect a v system will actually have?
I tend to see this as like any other corporate exercise, where the employees are put through a re-evaluation of their worth, given new titles and a feeling of improvement, but in fact remain no different from what they already are.
There is a fundamental irony in verifying someone else. They suddenly become more interesting than you. So I think a system may well be brought in, but I can only see it being used as much as any of the others.
Sorry Nola I wasn't being specific too you it just seems that references to the forum being a piddley bit of the site seem to be poking their bijou heads above the parapet lately. You just seem to of put a vague sort of bitette reference to that made me feel that way that's all. Hey i am highly strung though and after 30 minutes on the phone Sammytarians I felt so much better biggrin
As for contributing as a member of the forum. Well of course you do and I for one think your ace, But as for being able seperate the fact of you being a member and you being a mod I can see that for the most part but I would of thought that they are, in the end, inextricably linked.
Oh and your not a modman coz you aint a man :D Your not are you :shock: coz if you are thats going to of ruined a few private moments I've had over the last how ever long.
:shock:This topic still here, and we have been away so long !