I have always thought education must only improve our knowledge and understanding of life around us, that it can only make things better for all.
I am starting to feel more these days if only we were all ignorant and uneducated as the saying goes “ignorance is blissâ€.
I liken it to children the innocence of youth, when there isn’t a care in the world and acceptance of all.
Of course I do believe knowledge is important but also believe that where that knowledge is obtained is the over riding factor.
I am not educated in the academic sense I have gained my education on the streets so to speak.
I have never travelled. But I get my education from living in a cosmopolitan area and mix among all people from all points of the globe.
So to me education as it is know is text book stuff that breeds people to think in a certain way that all depends who is teaching you. These people can have a bias view after all one person’s take on anything and the way they portray that is in part individual.
I believe meeting people from all walks of life gives a better understanding of life, and a far more rounded view and understanding.
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Is education a good thing for society?
Good choice of subject minx. Will get several of the teachers notice in due course.
When I was at college, as a mature student, I noticed how much more foreign students valued their education. It really meant a lot to them. Here it tends to be a choice or option.
I also think that there are many people who are educated but who will not get to use any of their talents. They will find a job and be unfulfilled. But they can continue to educate themselves in their hobbies, interests and passions. So its not entirely wasted.
I think that a small percentage of the world's top brains get to do the really clever and creative things, whilst the rest of us simply, implement, manage and maintain what they do.
But sometimes I think that some people would have been happier if they had been none the wiser about some things.
And where too many educated people get together and find they can't decide on something, then invariably others suffer as a result.
When I was at college, as a mature student, I noticed how much more foreign students valued their education. It really meant a lot to them. Here it tends to be a choice or option.
I also think that there are many people who are educated but who will not get to use any of their talents. They will find a job and be unfulfilled. But they can continue to educate themselves in their hobbies, interests and passions. So its not entirely wasted.
I think that a small percentage of the world's top brains get to do the really clever and creative things, whilst the rest of us simply, implement, manage and maintain what they do.
But sometimes I think that some people would have been happier if they had been none the wiser about some things.
And where too many educated people get together and find they can't decide on something, then invariably others suffer as a result.
"ignorance is bliss" always sounds like one of those sayings designed by people to make themselves feel better about their own short comings.
Perhaps you are right, but sometimes what people precieve to know if ignorant wouldn't hurt others. so to me ignorance can been seen both ways
unlike short and tall
Like when short people say "the best things come in small packages"
I've never heard a tall person say "the best thing come in tall packages"
whoops messed up the quote bit here my response is in blue.
Perhaps you are right, but sometimes what people precieve to know if ignorant wouldn't hurt others. so to me ignorance can been seen both ways
unlike short and tall
Like when short people say "the best things come in small packages"
I've never heard a tall person say "the best thing come in tall packages"
whoops messed up the quote bit here my response is in blue.
Nice quote here from Derek Bok
Meaning, I guess, that without education we know nothing.
There are different types of education as well. Emotional education, where we learn about our own and others feelings, about respect and caring (bit like the uncaring reply in sexonfires first paragraph). Without these where are we?
Education of the mind (normal education), without this we are or can be a tool for the more unscrupulous in society, like the BNP who pray on those that have little or no real knowledge of other peoples or indeed how hard and distressing it must be for people fleeing persecution to end up in a country they thought would protect them only to turn around and ship them straight back to the very place they were fleeing from.
and lastly physical education, where we train our bodies to achieve tasks, this is an area where I feel we are letting the young down. We now have a nation of over weight children who are crying out for sport!
“If you think education is expensive, try ignoranceâ€
Meaning, I guess, that without education we know nothing.
There are different types of education as well. Emotional education, where we learn about our own and others feelings, about respect and caring (bit like the uncaring reply in sexonfires first paragraph). Without these where are we?
Education of the mind (normal education), without this we are or can be a tool for the more unscrupulous in society, like the BNP who pray on those that have little or no real knowledge of other peoples or indeed how hard and distressing it must be for people fleeing persecution to end up in a country they thought would protect them only to turn around and ship them straight back to the very place they were fleeing from.
and lastly physical education, where we train our bodies to achieve tasks, this is an area where I feel we are letting the young down. We now have a nation of over weight children who are crying out for sport!
Sex God
Quote by Sexonfire
"ignorance is bliss" always sounds like one of those sayings designed by people to make themselves feel better about their own short comings.
Like when short people say "the best things come in small packages"
I've never heard a tall person say "the best thing come in tall packages"
I have, but they're always talking about me
I think we have fallen into the trap of giving our children 'knowledge' and diminished their desire to be inquisitive.
We arm them with information, but they miss out on much of the experience that is usually undergone to gain that information.
This means that they know how sex and drugs and alcohol work, they know how divorce and violence work...
But they haven't 'learned' it. The didn't go through a slow gradual process of discovery, and found a point where they felt comfortable, having tip toed into the realms of discomfort.
The whole discovery process has been abolished, and we as parents haven't helped. We now want our kids to finish the race first, and as such we take them to the answers at the very end of the journey.... not allowing them time to enjoy the actual journey itself.
That said, you need only look at how folks vote the BNP to see the dangers that ignorance poses.
Education is a wonderful thing. It's just being ruined by a desire to reach the end goal far too soon. Almost all of our society is 'NOW' orientated. Stardom now, money now, bigger car now, good exam grades now. When you start to go down that path, is it any wonder the virtues of learning and patience are lost?
We arm them with information, but they miss out on much of the experience that is usually undergone to gain that information.
This means that they know how sex and drugs and alcohol work, they know how divorce and violence work...
But they haven't 'learned' it. The didn't go through a slow gradual process of discovery, and found a point where they felt comfortable, having tip toed into the realms of discomfort.
The whole discovery process has been abolished, and we as parents haven't helped. We now want our kids to finish the race first, and as such we take them to the answers at the very end of the journey.... not allowing them time to enjoy the actual journey itself.
That said, you need only look at how folks vote the BNP to see the dangers that ignorance poses.
Education is a wonderful thing. It's just being ruined by a desire to reach the end goal far too soon. Almost all of our society is 'NOW' orientated. Stardom now, money now, bigger car now, good exam grades now. When you start to go down that path, is it any wonder the virtues of learning and patience are lost?
Sounds like a great school flower.
I still soul search about agreeing to my brood toddling off to the grammar. It has slightly less exam/growth balance than I would like.
That said it doesn't seem to have done them a lot of harm although they are a bit more "programmed for work" than I would like.
I still soul search about agreeing to my brood toddling off to the grammar. It has slightly less exam/growth balance than I would like.
That said it doesn't seem to have done them a lot of harm although they are a bit more "programmed for work" than I would like.
Sex God
It's a good thing.
Sex God
Is education a good thing for society? Yes. If man's desire to learn, and the need to show others what they have learned as a result of that, were discouraged, we'd still be living in caves.
Ignorance might well be bliss for some, but I would far rather make informed choices.
Ignorance might well be bliss for some, but I would far rather make informed choices.
Sex God
If anyone has ever seen Jerry Springer, Jeremy Kyle etc. there can be no further proof required that education is a really good thing
I think that there is a big difference between education and "knowledge" - Education can often be biased towards the viewpoint of the person who is teaching, and therefore does not equate to having true knowledge of a subject.
However, you can become quite wordly and knowledgeable without any proper formal education.
I think it's only a good thing when the teacher has the best interests of the student at the forefront of his/her mind and isn't trying to push forward a viewpoint that may be harmful.
However, you can become quite wordly and knowledgeable without any proper formal education.
I think it's only a good thing when the teacher has the best interests of the student at the forefront of his/her mind and isn't trying to push forward a viewpoint that may be harmful.
Sex God
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I think that education should only be available to those rich enough to afford it.
Why? Do you really think they are the people best suited to make use of it?
How does bank balance relate to intelligence and ability? Remember that a school-age child hasn't earned a bean - it comes from their parents - who (in this scenario) could only have got it from their parents who got it from theirs etc etc.
That would put us back into the new Dark Ages - ie the 17th/18th Centuries - when everyone knew their place. (turns head and spits in disgust)
Or was this just a quick stir to see who bit?
Warming the Bed
Teachers these days have been deskilled. Their told what and how to teach, same for discipline. They have targets and charts often linking to their next pay rise. A 'super teacher' friend of mine is head of an IT department, teaching programming at A level, yet she asks me how to use word.
But that's the education system in this land. I was good at school, and bored for every single minute. University was not much different; disillusioned staff teaching in a dry, dusty way. Most of my education came after all that. I class myself as an autodidact; studying things like computing, history, conflict, mathematics, and anything else I can find a book on. I like knowledge for it's own sake, I find I need no other reason. That is what I'd like the schools to teach my kids; that knowing things, anythings, is cool. Unfortunatley school yard peer pressure seems to mitigate against this.
Though I love reading, I've learnt just as much from talking to people. The old and the young are particularly good sources; the old for their knowledge and experience, and the young are great at asking the questions that you'd never think of otherwise. Also I'd have never known what "sports candy" was without my kids.
Bias in education is something facinsting to me, and I believe it applies to knowledge too. For example, take two histories that describe the same event but were written 50 years apart. They'll always tell somewhat different stories. Usually the one written further from the event is more accurate (maybe complete would be a better word) as the writer usually has less stake in knowledge being filtered through personal bias. Some histories are just downright propaganda!
As you'll all get used to (I hope) just my random, incoherent thoughts on things.
But that's the education system in this land. I was good at school, and bored for every single minute. University was not much different; disillusioned staff teaching in a dry, dusty way. Most of my education came after all that. I class myself as an autodidact; studying things like computing, history, conflict, mathematics, and anything else I can find a book on. I like knowledge for it's own sake, I find I need no other reason. That is what I'd like the schools to teach my kids; that knowing things, anythings, is cool. Unfortunatley school yard peer pressure seems to mitigate against this.
Though I love reading, I've learnt just as much from talking to people. The old and the young are particularly good sources; the old for their knowledge and experience, and the young are great at asking the questions that you'd never think of otherwise. Also I'd have never known what "sports candy" was without my kids.
Bias in education is something facinsting to me, and I believe it applies to knowledge too. For example, take two histories that describe the same event but were written 50 years apart. They'll always tell somewhat different stories. Usually the one written further from the event is more accurate (maybe complete would be a better word) as the writer usually has less stake in knowledge being filtered through personal bias. Some histories are just downright propaganda!
As you'll all get used to (I hope) just my random, incoherent thoughts on things.
Quote by foxylady2209
I think that education should only be available to those rich enough to afford it.
Why? Do you really think they are the people best suited to make use of it?
How does bank balance relate to intelligence and ability? Remember that a school-age child hasn't earned a bean - it comes from their parents - who (in this scenario) could only have got it from their parents who got it from theirs etc etc.
That would put us back into the new Dark Ages - ie the 17th/18th Centuries - when everyone knew their place. (turns head and spits in disgust)
Or was this just a quick stir to see who bit?
Possibly who knows.
Seems a strange comment to make to me though.
I think one of the unfortunate casualties of education is one's natural instincts and abilities. this is the kind of skill that is inherited in one's family and could easily be a usefull form of employment. the kind of instinct found in trades people, gardeners, farmers, equestrians and so on. Good time honoured skills which come from the heart and soul.
take for example your typical rogue traveller or pikey. they are unlikely to become academic although they can learn quite well but they don't need it for the world they live in.
Crooks, thiefs, conmen etc have never needed to be taught to function along the line of someone else's designs. they are a law unto themselves.
In all such occupations there is a form of education in handing down knowledge, which is directly related to what needs to be done, the job itself. Conventional education involves a broader and less focussed appreciation of as much as can be studied. Which in some cases is too much for some people to comprehend and absorb, leaving them confused and having lost some of the vital instinct needed for life.
take for example your typical rogue traveller or pikey. they are unlikely to become academic although they can learn quite well but they don't need it for the world they live in.
Crooks, thiefs, conmen etc have never needed to be taught to function along the line of someone else's designs. they are a law unto themselves.
In all such occupations there is a form of education in handing down knowledge, which is directly related to what needs to be done, the job itself. Conventional education involves a broader and less focussed appreciation of as much as can be studied. Which in some cases is too much for some people to comprehend and absorb, leaving them confused and having lost some of the vital instinct needed for life.
