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Is porn as it stands as good as it's ever going to get?

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I'm not looking for moral or ethical answers or comments - just trying to make sense of how it has become so over saturated and stagnant that it has almost choked itself in it's own banality - as 'the streets' said in one of their tunes "lets push things forward" I would love to hear suggestions for how pornos can get out of this rut and break new ground.
Is porn as it stands as good as it's ever gonna get?
"lets get together and have a mass debate"
Well I assume you are talking about porn as a visual motion picture experience Sandman.
Porn has been around in this format nigh on a century now believe it or not! The conventions of porn were set fairly early on with the cum shot or the 'money shot' as it was known being it's trade mark. It has remained pretty much the same throughout though certain 'taboos' have been fashionable through the decades namely: 70s - Blow jobs, 80's anal and fisting, 90s Bukkake and watersports, 2000 + asphixiation and abuse. These dates are not precise nor are these practices new or particularly desirable or erotic.
The porn industry has gone as far as it will ever go. What ever has been thought of has most likely been done already.
I wonder why you ask this question? Are you not getting your kicks out of porn anymore?
Well there are a lot of us who have seen a lot of porn, including myself. And what we would have thought as being the holy grail of porn at age 15 is now no longer so titillating as we have seen it a 1000 times over. We have become more sophisticated in our seach for turn ons. No longer do we seek silicone enhanced models who fake their orgasms and bore us to death. We look towards genuine people participating in porn and getting thier rocks off, to use an old phrase.
What on earth do you want from porn anyway? It's never going to be an ultimate experience is it! Only sex with a real live person is going to do that!
Do the men in porn still have those handlebar moustaches and long hair, and all talk in German? dunno
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I'm not looking for moral or ethical answers or comments - just trying to make sense of how it has become so over saturated and stagnant that it has almost choked itself in it's own banality - as 'the streets' said in one of their tunes "lets push things forward" I would love to hear suggestions for how pornos can get out of this rut and break new ground.
Is porn as it stands as good as it's ever gonna get?"lets get together and have a mass debate"

I don't think the porn is in any big a rut than it has been before (errm does that mean it is in a rut??) - I think it might be the people viewing it frequently because it is more freely available who could be in the rut.
And what's this about Tunes! I'll start on Enter Sandman ina minute!!!
I've got two problems with most porn. The first is, it's so cold. The participants often fail to convince me that they have even the tiniest morsel of desire for each other. I think that's why I often find movie love scenes much more erotic than porn - the participants are actual actors and can convincingly portray desire. Secondly, the huge pneumatic fake tits on most porn-women. They're not sexy, they're just wrong.
Don't get me wrong, I do like some porn. (I must do; I own over a hundred tapes & DVDs - mostly down to my hoarding instinct, I'm willing to throw anything away in case I might find it sexy at some point in the future.) But there has to be some fire in there, or love, or... something. Otherwise I get bored very quickly!
it was a simple question and your prowess of knowledge of porn is i'm sure very grand as is your patronizing tone.
Thank you for listing the decades of porn,but your are not alone in your observations of this - all I was interested in really were suggestions be they serious or fun as to the 'next chapter' in porn. xxx
And the answer is there is no next chapter in porn. It's all been done before. There are only fashions....
Porn is only ever going to be as good as it gets because one's perception of it is a subjective experience. It is not determined by the newest perversion that porn makers are capable of incorporating into their films. This has nothing to do with it. What is exciting is sex between real people and sometimes this is captured on film although that is an objectifed version of the event. It is not the same as partaking of the event however.
No one is being patronizing here. People have taken their time to answer your query as best they can. Please try to respect that!
3D porn?
I guess, if you want to talk about the medium itself, there is room it can move forward. Multi-angle features were meant to be a big thing a few years ago, but it tends to disappoint in my experience - flicking through angles in the primitive way we do now is frustrating and unnatural - I think people need a camerman to make the best-shot decisions for them and show them a variety of angles.
BUT what if you could choose and change the angle yourself, in any way you wanted? Wouldn't be possible with live actors of course, but it would with computer-generated graphics. You could take real-life actors and use motion-capture techniques to capture their movements as they have sex, then create 3D models of the actors and map those actions onto them, a la Hulk. The subtleties of course would have to be added later - eye contact, blowjob techniques, etc etc etc. You could end up with a sex scene in which the viewer could move the viewpoint infinitely, and observe any piece of the action they wanted...
The downside to this is that it'd cost an absolute bomb. So no chance unless Roman Abramovich has an interest in high-tech pornography...
A woman's point brief of view ..... I have two preferences when it comes to porn ..... either it must have a storyline to keep my attention (but then it's usually soft core) or it has to be hardcore and I mean hardcore to get my mood instantly (in which case I rarely see past the first 10 mins :twisted: )
I can't see the porn industry as being able to go much further than it is now. I agree with Lovecommando about the silicon models and fake orgasms too ... nothing worse IMO sad
Where is that that is new to go?
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it was a simple question and your prowess of knowledge of porn is i'm sure very grand as is your patronizing tone.
Thank you for listing the decades of porn,but your are not alone in your observations of this - all I was interested in really were suggestions be they serious or fun as to the 'next chapter' in porn. xxx

Good way to encourage a fun debate :!:
I'm sure there is lots more variation to come...
The success of the bangbus/milfhunters/etc sites shows that there is a market for new ideas (for those who don't know these are gonzo-ish porn shot in a rough pseuo-documentary style, and work on the premise that the woman is being 'picked up' at random then gradually convinced to go further and further - sometimes the hardcore elment is only the last 1/4 of the episode). I've yet to see this formula coupled with good camerawork, good acting, good editing, or a girl who pushes things on a bit herself when she gets going!
The 'virtual sex' videos are another new area - these are shot from the man's point of view, finally, porn where men don't have to look at other men doing the grimace face!), and feature 1 on 1 action that the dvd watcher can jump between - directing the action.
I think we've still not seen the end of the backlash aginst the 'bad boob job and bored' american girls either... it's going to be a while before everything settles back down and we strike a happy balance between the opposing silicon and gonzo camps.
Another point is that good quality video editing, dvd duplication and web sales are now possible on a very low 'hobby' size budget... everyone can make porn now - so if you can't find what you want... go make it!
The first few times I saw a porn movie, when I was a spotty teenager in the '80s, I was shocked and amazed, and of course very turned on by it. It was new and exciting to see people having sex, the visual aspects of it. The more porn I saw though, the more I realised that the women were obviously getting nothing out of the experience (apart from the money of course), and that is a big turn off for me.
What turns me on now is seeing people genuinely aroused and experiencing pleasure, especially seeing a woman orgasm. If mainstream porn movie directors put more foreplay into the scenes, told the actors to really go for it and give the girls the time to get aroused and excited, it would certainly make for more exciting viewing. However I guess it would take longer to film, and maybe the porn actresses don't want to get sexually excited in the films but rather save it for their private life?
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I'm sure there is lots more variation to come...
The success of the bangbus/milfhunters/etc sites shows that there is a market for new ideas (for those who don't know these are gonzo-ish porn shot in a rough pseuo-documentary style, and work on the premise that the woman is being 'picked up' at random then gradually convinced to go further and further - sometimes the hardcore elment is only the last 1/4 of the episode). I've yet to see this formula coupled with good camerawork, good acting, good editing, or a girl who pushes things on a bit herself when she gets going!!

I've not seen any of these 'random pickup' vids, but I've got a few 'gonzo' (where did that word come from?) vids made by Ben Dover where there's a fair bit of authenticity, and it's a good laugh as well. The women talk and joke, and the action gets going slowly. Plainly many are amateurs, sometimes students needing a bit of extra cash, sometimes more mature women. There's no question that many in the vids I have are having a whale of a time and are highly aroused (the old 'red breast' effect is a dead giveaway), and are often calling the shots. Mind you, there's still a tendency to follow conventions, with the blow job followed by the fuck (sometimes followed by anal) followed by the money shot, and that's tedious.
As Mr Discreet says, the MILF (Moms I'd Like to Fuck) craze shows some degree of evolution in the trade, away from actors with plastic bodies and wooden expressions to real people having real sex, and older women to boot which makes a nice change - 'perfect' bodies are just so, well, boring after a while.
There's also plenty of woman-centred porn these days, particularly in the lesbian market, porn made by women for women, and what little I've seen of that is refreshingly different and approaching what happens in real life. (Be honest, guys - when was the last time a woman blew you before even kissing you, eh? Or begged you to cum on her chops?) The new digicam technologies enable anyone to create porn, not just major studios, and has led to a sort of 'erotic anarchism'.
IMHO the demand for porn (or erotica as the arty classes would have it ;-)) will exist for as long as humans are sexual beings. There are only so many permutations of M and/or F that you can have (although transsexuals add another interesting variable to bump up the perms) so there'll never be anything new under the sun, but there'll always be a need.
Just my 2 Euro's worth of rambling. Time to get on with some work.... sad
Mr Licks

What turns me on now is seeing people genuinely aroused and experiencing pleasure, especially seeing a woman orgasm. /quote]
Same here, mate. See my post in the thread "Help with choosing erotic/pornography movies".
Mr Licks
Porn will go as far as its market wants it to, so the short answer is, there is no answer to the original question confused
What would be excellent is holographic porn :shock: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: .... Imagine having holograms perfomring just for you in your house, and then when you're bored of them you can just switch them off...... no more having to be polite and asking them if they want a brew and the like rolleyes ..... Imagine if they invented mobile holographic projectors that you could take with you in your car and you could have holograms perfoming for you in the woods, in your car, in the bogs at work..... the possibilities are endless...... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
The future's bright........... the future's pornographic lol :lol: :lol:
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BUT what if you could choose and change the angle yourself, in any way you wanted? Wouldn't be possible with live actors of course, but it would with computer-generated graphics.

You're half right there. Computer graphics is involved, but not in the way you think.
There's been considerable research in filming scenes from multiple cameras, feeding the footage into a big computer, and reconstructing the view from a virtual camera in any position you like. I think Carnegie Mellon University has been doing a lot of it, but now that I try looking for references I can't find any.
All they need is enough cameras to see everything from a few angles, and some fairly hefty computing power in the viewer's playing device. It'll happen.
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where did that word come from?)

Hunter S. Thompson I think....
I work doing porn sites, so I guess I have some responsability to this malaise! smile
Porn will sit largely where it is because it makes money. The porn industry is actually quite conservative. There is a kind of "dustcloud" around the main industry where new ideas get sucked into the gravitational well of the money and marketing - but for the most part people churn out what sells. Much like any other industry I guess.
It's actually really hard to sell unusual or "different" porn, but costs the same - if not more - to produce. For instance - I can get enough photo's to run a run-of-the-mill porn site (ie, blonde, artifical, pussy, cumshot) for around 6 months for a little over 1,000 quid. Where-as a single photo-shoot for a niche spanking website with two girls can cost almost the same and give you about 1 weeks content....
Look at the music industry as an example of a similar industry I guess.... We all moan about bland pop music, the charts being boring, manufactured bands etc etc. But it's a good return for the industry - so they don't have much incentive to do anything else. Sometimes something new pops up like Acid House, Grunge, Drum'N'Bass, BritPop, Post-Rock, etc etc - but pretty soon it's made mainstream and the edges rounded off so it can be made more cheaply and sold to more people. Look at Punk I guess :)
Most of the interesting porn out there is made by keen amateurs. That's where you find the fetishists and just downright odd people (for instance, there are a few fetish sites for "invisible women"....!).
Anyway - as someone else said - if you want some interesting porn then either make it yourself, or pay someone to make it for you! biggrin
Oh - as an example of a niche site, a friend of mine runs - a website with only vegetarian & vegan models. It's not going to make her a multi-millionaire, but it's a good site and, I think, a groovy idea smile
ive always like the amature ones like ben dover etc etc
well, if we are posting links to unusual porn sites... :-)
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Oh - as an example of a niche site, a friend of mine runs - a website with only vegetarian & vegan models. It's not going to make her a multi-millionaire, but it's a good site and, I think, a groovy idea smile

LOL! :-D
I'm staggered, although I shouldn't be. Does the site have the answer to that age-old veggie/vegan question: if I swallow am I consuming an animal product? ;-)
Mr Licks
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I'm not looking for moral or ethical answers or comments - just trying to make sense of how it has become so over saturated and stagnant that it has almost choked itself in it's own banality - as 'the streets' said in one of their tunes "lets push things forward" I would love to hear suggestions for how pornos can get out of this rut and break new ground.
Is porn as it stands as good as it's ever gonna get?"lets get together and have a mass debate"

I cant see how this can avoid an ethical or moral debate. As far as the industry is concerned, they've covered all the basis. The only difference being is accessibility, which through mediums like the internet and mobile phones is at your finger tips, whereas 10 years ago, had to be purchased in magazines or viewed in cinemas, ect.
I personally feel that if a person feels porn is in 'a rut,' (and I'm talking about consenting adult porn!!) they spend far too much time viewing it. This isn't a personal dig, but you wanted people to respond so, I am and honestly.
Sadly, because porn HAS advanced so much, which is beneficial to the viewer of Adult Consenting porn, that its brought the scum to the top as well, creating a demand and supplying readily accessible images and films that would make most of us sick.
The best porn I have seen has been some of the home made clips on the net, where the 'normal' couple care for and love one another, take things slowly and show genuine passion for one another. That gets my rocks off, 'barbie shagging ken' doesn't.