Just talking to people in normal life and on here, what has baffled me is that a lot of men I talk to, (not all) although not particularly agreeing with all she done and not a supported of the party, seem to have a lot of respect for Margret Thatcher.
This has baffled me, as myself and my female friends can not understand why.
It seems more men seem to respect her than woman do, or is this just my own observations which I could be wrong as is often the case.
Or if it is true lead me to another thought that would we be happier working for a someone of the opposite sex?
I think myself personally I would rather work for a man than a woman likewise I would rather lead a team of men than women.
Could this be we are more cynical of the same sex?
I don't know, I am a bit confused about my own feelings about how I feel.
Do others have similar views, or is it just me.
I wonder if others could help me see if this is the case and why.
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Just an observation but I feel confused
I worked for a woman once. That is to say directly under a woman once. She and I got on, she wanted to get it on, but I said no. We did how ever spend time flirting.
She was a liberal boss, able to except new ways. Al of the line commanders since have been men and conservative.
It could be that she and I fitted because of who we are, but it could be just because we were a man and woman.
Come to think of it I do work better with women, is that me, or other men?
Good question.
Travis
She was a liberal boss, able to except new ways. Al of the line commanders since have been men and conservative.
It could be that she and I fitted because of who we are, but it could be just because we were a man and woman.
Come to think of it I do work better with women, is that me, or other men?
Good question.
Travis
Quote by flower411
Just talking to people in normal life and on here, what has baffled me is that a lot of men I talk to, (not all) although not particularly agreeing with all she done and not a supported of the party, seem to have a lot of respect for Margret Thatcher.
This has baffled me, as myself and my female friends can not understand why.
It seems more men seem to respect her than woman do, or is this just my own observations which I could be wrong as is often the case.
Or if it is true lead me to another thought that would we be happier working for a someone of the opposite sex?
I think myself personally I would rather work for a man than a woman likewise I would rather lead a team of men than women.
Could this be we are more cynical of the same sex?
I don't know, I am a bit confused about my own feelings about how I feel.
Do others have similar views, or is it just me.
I wonder if others could help me see if this is the case and why.
Unfortunately, I think it would be churlish not to show some respect for the achievment in becoming the first woman prime minister.
But the fact that she presided over and actively encouraged the sale of some of this countries assets, let`s face it, assets that would have seen us in a much better position to weather this recession, is some thing that she should be ashamed of....and how was she meant to pay back all the money borrowed by the labour government.
It seems this time around we have to sell our children's future...or we could buy all the banks for a pound.
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Great political leader. Whether thats good great or bad great thats just down to whose brave enough to put their heads above the parapet to get it shot to f*ck off.
As for working for women bosses I've only worked for two and in my mind they were awful. In saying that I have worked for a few more than 2 male bosses and would say that there was a mix of good and bad. Certainly when I trained as a Chef years ago the then jead Chef was that bad to all his staff that nowadays he would of done time for it i'm sure.
As for working for women bosses I've only worked for two and in my mind they were awful. In saying that I have worked for a few more than 2 male bosses and would say that there was a mix of good and bad. Certainly when I trained as a Chef years ago the then jead Chef was that bad to all his staff that nowadays he would of done time for it i'm sure.
No doubt I am going to get a bucket load of spanners thrown at me but here goes.
Thatcher and her policies dismantled the manufacturing industries of this country. She let the fat cats get rich on the privatising of power, water, BT etc, she pushed the belief that everyone should own their home forcing house prices into hyper inflation. She sat back whilst the health service struggled.
The issues with teenagers today, unruly and on the street are a direct consequence of thatcherite policies. No apprentices, no jobs and no future after all not everyone can have a McJob.
The so called paying off of the loans accrued under labour never happened, the money made from the selling off went on tax cuts and fat cat salaries.
I for one will be glad when she is a chapter in a dusty history book some where in a forgotten library.
Thatcher and her policies dismantled the manufacturing industries of this country. She let the fat cats get rich on the privatising of power, water, BT etc, she pushed the belief that everyone should own their home forcing house prices into hyper inflation. She sat back whilst the health service struggled.
The issues with teenagers today, unruly and on the street are a direct consequence of thatcherite policies. No apprentices, no jobs and no future after all not everyone can have a McJob.
The so called paying off of the loans accrued under labour never happened, the money made from the selling off went on tax cuts and fat cat salaries.
I for one will be glad when she is a chapter in a dusty history book some where in a forgotten library.
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No doubt I am going to get a bucket load of spanners thrown at me but here goes.
Thatcher and her policies dismantled the manufacturing industries of this country. She let the fat cats get rich on the privatising of power, water, BT etc, she pushed the belief that everyone should own their home forcing house prices into hyper inflation. She sat back whilst the health service struggled.
The issues with teenagers today, unruly and on the street are a direct consequence of thatcherite policies. No apprentices, no jobs and no future after all not everyone can have a McJob.
The so called paying off of the loans accrued under labour never happened, the money made from the selling off went on tax cuts and fat cat salaries.
I for one will be glad when she is a chapter in a dusty history book some where in a forgotten library.
Well done for writing that lot down :thumbup:
I hope she is never forgotton. The fact that this country has been hit so hard by this recession is a direct result of her "get rich quick" policies.
The idea that an economy has to be constantly growing is one of the biggest economic myths that has been foisted upon us and the fact that a "so called" labour prime minister has not only fallen for the lie but is actively promoting the whole boom and bust idea is disappointing to say the least.
Flower I totally agreed with you.
About your question to me on how I think brown is doing a good job. I wrote a detailed response and lost the whole damn lot when sending. I will asnswer your question again later, just to let you know I am not shying away from it.
I don't back Brown in all that he stands for but still do believe he is best for the job in hand.
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The issues with teenagers today, unruly and on the street are a direct consequence of thatcherite policies. No apprentices, no jobs and no future after all not everyone can have a McJob.
You say the above is a direct consequence of Thatcherite policies, you conveniently fail to mention that Thatcher quit as Prime Minister in 1990, and that Labour came to power in 1997.
A 19 year old today, one of the unruly teenagers you speak of would have been 7 when labour came to power, and born in the year when Thatcher resigned, it would appear that you are putting the blame squarely at Thatchers door, yet seem to ignore that for 12 years, the Labour Government has let those kids down, not Thatcher.
Yes, Thatcher caused a hell of a lot of havoc for the country with her policies, but Labour got into power on the basis of changing everything that is wrong with the country.
Tony Blair once famously gave a speech in which he said he would make changes, and the tagline of "Education Education Education" was pushed to the fore, clearly some around here could do with some themselves.
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as regards to maggie....... I think she is one of those really polarising people, regardless of whether you love her or hate her you have to respect the position of where she got to.....
I use to think that you could a line from the wash in norfolk to the bristol channel, below that line loved her above it dispised her
bit more complicated than that....
as for having bosses of the opposite sex, I don't think it makes a difference, I have had bosses that have been stress when i have been the laid back one (good cop bad cop!) some people just happen to be better man managers than others so to speak........
I use to think that you could a line from the wash in norfolk to the bristol channel, below that line loved her above it dispised her
bit more complicated than that....
as for having bosses of the opposite sex, I don't think it makes a difference, I have had bosses that have been stress when i have been the laid back one (good cop bad cop!) some people just happen to be better man managers than others so to speak........
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The issues with teenagers today, unruly and on the street are a direct consequence of thatcherite policies. No apprentices, no jobs and no future after all not everyone can have a McJob.
You say the above is a direct consequence of Thatcherite policies, you conveniently fail to mention that Thatcher quit as Prime Minister in 1990, and that Labour came to power in 1997.
A 19 year old today, one of the unruly teenagers you speak of would have been 7 when labour came to power, and born in the year when Thatcher resigned, it would appear that you are putting the blame squarely at Thatchers door, yet seem to ignore that for 12 years, the Labour Government has let those kids down, not Thatcher.
Yes, Thatcher caused a hell of a lot of havoc for the country with her policies, but Labour got into power on the basis of changing everything that is wrong with the country.
Tony Blair once famously gave a speech in which he said he would make changes, and the tagline of "Education Education Education" was pushed to the fore, clearly some around here could do with some themselves.
Teenagers started to become unruly way before Thatcher came into power, parents were complaining I believe before I was born in the 50's to the teenagers becoming rebellious when listening to rock and roll.
We can not just blame government influences kids are not into politics.
Music, media and game consoles I think have bigger influences where children are concerned than any Politian will.
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Regardless of who is in charge now or at any point in between, the reason the country is in the state it is now can be traced back to the moment Thatcher became PM. The policies of her government started us down this somewhat inevitable path to the point where we are today. This is not a political issue for me, Labour under Blair and Brown are just as culpable, but their only defence in my mind is that they inherited a failing society that was probably impossible to "save". Certainly not with policies that were aimed to win votes from the liberal/tory lite middle ground of the UK, rather than tackle the real issues at hand. If they had made policies to do that, they'd have been labelled radical or militant and never been elected to power.
So she is not to blame entirely for me, in the same way the Captain of the Titanic didn't sink the ship. The iceberg did (well, actually the Atlantic did but I digress), but he didn't have to go streaking into the ice berg field, full speed ahead, knowing full well what could happen if he did? That's her legacy in my view and subsequent governments have had to deal with that and have, thus far, failed to do so.
The time for tough decisions was 10 or 15 years ago. It is a little late to be spouting empty rhetoric about making them now. But who has ever made a bad decision with hindsight eh?
So she is not to blame entirely for me, in the same way the Captain of the Titanic didn't sink the ship. The iceberg did (well, actually the Atlantic did but I digress), but he didn't have to go streaking into the ice berg field, full speed ahead, knowing full well what could happen if he did? That's her legacy in my view and subsequent governments have had to deal with that and have, thus far, failed to do so.
The time for tough decisions was 10 or 15 years ago. It is a little late to be spouting empty rhetoric about making them now. But who has ever made a bad decision with hindsight eh?
Yes Thatcher is responsible, The children that I am referring to are the ones whose parents have not worked since Thatcher took away their working dignity.
A tool maker from a steel mill had status with in the place he worked. Take that status away from him and hand him no future because he is to old or unable to retrain will sit the rest of his life feeling like there is nothing worth attempting. This is handed on to his kids and on to their kids. I work in an area that is in the lowest 10% of social deprivation and the kids there are working hard to get out of there, not because of their families but because of the local school and the teachers within that school that work bloody hard to pass on aspirational values.
A good example of this - last year my organisation ran a summer scheme for local kids, we took them out into their community to do litter picking, we sorted the litter out and then showed them how to make art from the litter. The kids loved it, talked of be coming artists, environmental people and of becoming designers who would produce waste that biodegraded. All good stuff all very positive. The the parents were invited in to see what the kids had done (Parents being Thatcher’s children). The kids proudly showed their parents what they had done and we heard comments like "thats crap that is" "I'll chuck it in the bin when I get home" "What a fucking waste of time". Thats why the kids on the street dont respond because of the legacy from the 80s I am alright jack society.
A tool maker from a steel mill had status with in the place he worked. Take that status away from him and hand him no future because he is to old or unable to retrain will sit the rest of his life feeling like there is nothing worth attempting. This is handed on to his kids and on to their kids. I work in an area that is in the lowest 10% of social deprivation and the kids there are working hard to get out of there, not because of their families but because of the local school and the teachers within that school that work bloody hard to pass on aspirational values.
A good example of this - last year my organisation ran a summer scheme for local kids, we took them out into their community to do litter picking, we sorted the litter out and then showed them how to make art from the litter. The kids loved it, talked of be coming artists, environmental people and of becoming designers who would produce waste that biodegraded. All good stuff all very positive. The the parents were invited in to see what the kids had done (Parents being Thatcher’s children). The kids proudly showed their parents what they had done and we heard comments like "thats crap that is" "I'll chuck it in the bin when I get home" "What a fucking waste of time". Thats why the kids on the street dont respond because of the legacy from the 80s I am alright jack society.
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Yes Thatcher is responsible, The children that I am referring to are the ones whose parents have not worked since Thatcher took away their working dignity.
A tool maker from a steel mill had status with in the place he worked. Take that status away from him and hand him no future because he is to old or unable to retrain will sit the rest of his life feeling like there is nothing worth attempting. This is handed on to his kids and on to their kids. I work in an area that is in the lowest 10% of social deprivation and the kids there are working hard to get out of there, not because of their families but because of the local school and the teachers within that school that work bloody hard to pass on aspirational values.
A good example of this - last year my organisation ran a summer scheme for local kids, we took them out into their community to do litter picking, we sorted the litter out and then showed them how to make art from the litter. The kids loved it, talked of be coming artists, environmental people and of becoming designers who would produce waste that biodegraded. All good stuff all very positive. The the parents were invited in to see what the kids had done (Parents being Thatcher’s children). The kids proudly showed their parents what they had done and we heard comments like "thats crap that is" "I'll chuck it in the bin when I get home" "What a fucking waste of time". Thats why the kids on the street dont respond because of the legacy from the 80s I am alright jack society.
That's a desperately sad state of affairs Third Man, how valued must those kids have felt eh? Dreadful.
I certainly agree there is an "I'm alright Jack, sod the rest of you" mentality at work in many areas of the country. Whether that is a direct legacy of Mrs T, or our own inherent failings as a society, I am not sure. Certainly the "greed is good, I'm alright Jack" Gordon Gekko mentality that was pre-eminent in the 80's and 90's did not help. Remember the riots and miners strike folks?
I must admit I did have a snort of derision last night when I heard that a banker was having to "get by" on a bonus of "just £95,000!". Poor bloke! I think compared to the people at Zavvi, Woolies and a host of other places, he must have it the toughest of the lot...
A society works by serving the needs of the people within it, the moment you change it to serve the needs of the selected few, it will change irrevocably and unequally and eventually break down. That's what has happened slowly but surely over the past 30 years or so. It isn't a case of the have and have nots anymore, it is a case of the have it all and have nothing. That is no longer a functioning society in my view.
Thatcher was a person of the moment.
Manufacturing was in decline anyway, many factories producing goods of poor quality and at high prices. People just didn't want them when the "glossy" items started arriving from far-eastern countries (never mind that the new things from Japan were of equally poor reliability).
Manufacturing would have gone anyway, the cost advantages of much lower labour and establishment costs priced this country out of the market.
What she did do was to sell the service companies to those who she considered friends. Good for her, but crap for me.
We now pay higher costs for electricity than many do in europe .
Who cares ?
Who knows.
Now that manufacturing costs are going up in those cheaper countries (partly because the people making the goods want to own and use them as well) it is possible to manufacture them here at lower cost.
Except we are still saddled by things like high energy cost, high local taxes, high labour taxes (employers national insurance) and now no money for investment anyway.
Things that need to be done now ?
Well, local taxation on industry has to go.
The employers NI contribution has to be lowered, or removed.
Industrial investment has to be started again...and done right...
And people may well have to consider that they are being paid too much !
But, that will right itself soon....no money for wage increases tends to force wages down anyway.
And, finally, the staffing levels of public services have to be lowered.
By at least 50%.
(which is what Mrs Thatcher did in her years of power......until Mr Brown increased them again...by the 450,000 she got rid of plus another 400,000)
I mean those public services that actually have an unmeasurable productivity.
Never forget....todays public servants are tomorrows public service pensioners. Their pensions are already going to cost us in excess of one pounds.
Manufacturing was in decline anyway, many factories producing goods of poor quality and at high prices. People just didn't want them when the "glossy" items started arriving from far-eastern countries (never mind that the new things from Japan were of equally poor reliability).
Manufacturing would have gone anyway, the cost advantages of much lower labour and establishment costs priced this country out of the market.
What she did do was to sell the service companies to those who she considered friends. Good for her, but crap for me.
We now pay higher costs for electricity than many do in europe .
Who cares ?
Who knows.
Now that manufacturing costs are going up in those cheaper countries (partly because the people making the goods want to own and use them as well) it is possible to manufacture them here at lower cost.
Except we are still saddled by things like high energy cost, high local taxes, high labour taxes (employers national insurance) and now no money for investment anyway.
Things that need to be done now ?
Well, local taxation on industry has to go.
The employers NI contribution has to be lowered, or removed.
Industrial investment has to be started again...and done right...
And people may well have to consider that they are being paid too much !
But, that will right itself soon....no money for wage increases tends to force wages down anyway.
And, finally, the staffing levels of public services have to be lowered.
By at least 50%.
(which is what Mrs Thatcher did in her years of power......until Mr Brown increased them again...by the 450,000 she got rid of plus another 400,000)
I mean those public services that actually have an unmeasurable productivity.
Never forget....todays public servants are tomorrows public service pensioners. Their pensions are already going to cost us in excess of one pounds.
I can never forgive Thatcher for:
Taking away my free school milk.
Killing my friends in a pointless war decided upon in a whim.
Destroying the UK manufacturing industry. ( the only job I could find when I left poly was working out the redundancy settlements for the factory workers in the west midlands)
I will happily host a dance on her grave party when the time comes.
Taking away my free school milk.
Killing my friends in a pointless war decided upon in a whim.
Destroying the UK manufacturing industry. ( the only job I could find when I left poly was working out the redundancy settlements for the factory workers in the west midlands)
I will happily host a dance on her grave party when the time comes.
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Yes Thatcher is responsible, The children that I am referring to are the ones whose parents have not worked since Thatcher took away their working dignity.
A tool maker from a steel mill had status with in the place he worked. Take that status away from him and hand him no future because he is to old or unable to retrain will sit the rest of his life feeling like there is nothing worth attempting. This is handed on to his kids and on to their kids. I work in an area that is in the lowest 10% of social deprivation and the kids there are working hard to get out of there, not because of their families but because of the local school and the teachers within that school that work bloody hard to pass on aspirational values.
A good example of this - last year my organisation ran a summer scheme for local kids, we took them out into their community to do litter picking, we sorted the litter out and then showed them how to make art from the litter. The kids loved it, talked of be coming artists, environmental people and of becoming designers who would produce waste that biodegraded. All good stuff all very positive. The the parents were invited in to see what the kids had done (Parents being Thatcher’s children). The kids proudly showed their parents what they had done and we heard comments like "thats crap that is" "I'll chuck it in the bin when I get home" "What a fucking waste of time". Thats why the kids on the street dont respond because of the legacy from the 80s I am alright jack society.
I can not argue with any of the point you have made there at all. Plus have seen the same reactions from parents myself.
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Yes Thatcher is responsible, The children that I am referring to are the ones whose parents have not worked since Thatcher took away their working dignity.
A tool maker from a steel mill had status with in the place he worked. Take that status away from him and hand him no future because he is to old or unable to retrain will sit the rest of his life feeling like there is nothing worth attempting. This is handed on to his kids and on to their kids. I work in an area that is in the lowest 10% of social deprivation and the kids there are working hard to get out of there, not because of their families but because of the local school and the teachers within that school that work bloody hard to pass on aspirational values.
A good example of this - last year my organisation ran a summer scheme for local kids, we took them out into their community to do litter picking, we sorted the litter out and then showed them how to make art from the litter. The kids loved it, talked of be coming artists, environmental people and of becoming designers who would produce waste that biodegraded. All good stuff all very positive. The the parents were invited in to see what the kids had done (Parents being Thatcher’s children). The kids proudly showed their parents what they had done and we heard comments like "thats crap that is" "I'll chuck it in the bin when I get home" "What a fucking waste of time". Thats why the kids on the street dont respond because of the legacy from the 80s I am alright jack society.
I can not argue with any of the point you have made there at all. Plus have seen the same reactions from parents myself.
Negativity breeds negativity!
The power of praise is wonderful!
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This country did change under Thatcher - for the worse.
She heralded a more selfish age, compassion was seen as weakness, money talked and the Falklands war was her ego trip where brave young men were sent to die.
She was a sociopath with great power, unfeeling and unconcerned as to the damage she did to the country.
Many of the famous quotes like "the lady's not for turning" were written for her, compared to Churchill her words were second hand ideas created by speech writers.
Today she's a shadow of her old self, a very ill and frail old woman, ironically much like those she once had no pity for.
She heralded a more selfish age, compassion was seen as weakness, money talked and the Falklands war was her ego trip where brave young men were sent to die.
She was a sociopath with great power, unfeeling and unconcerned as to the damage she did to the country.
Many of the famous quotes like "the lady's not for turning" were written for her, compared to Churchill her words were second hand ideas created by speech writers.
Today she's a shadow of her old self, a very ill and frail old woman, ironically much like those she once had no pity for.
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Great political leader. Whether thats good great or bad great thats just down to whose brave enough to put their heads above the parapet to get it shot to f*ck off.
As for working for women bosses I've only worked for two and in my mind they were awful. In saying that I have worked for a few more than 2 male bosses and would say that there was a mix of good and bad. Certainly when I trained as a Chef years ago the then jead Chef was that bad to all his staff that nowadays he would of done time for it i'm sure.
Losty as you know I really care what people say about me....not!
Thatcher was one of THE great Prime ministers, over the last 100 years. She is either level or just behind Churchill in every poll.
Of course NO Prime Minister is 100% popular all of the time. She enabled " ordinary " people to own their homes....millions of them. She smashed the unions they were constantly bringing this country to it's knees. Policies that continue to work well today, and of which even the unions have not sought to change.
The poll tax was a clanger, but only in the ammount it was costing people. The ethics were correct.
She sold off many things which were losing money. Losing the taxpayer money. Yes she is or was not perfect. But she had big balls, unlike a lot of the other cowards who have followed her.
Love her or hate her.....she will live in the anails of political history, for decades to come.
You are so right: She will definitely live in the anus of history.
And why should the unions wish to change it ?
Much of the "damage" she did to the unions has been highly beneficial.
Unions are now displaying regard for their membership, and are protecting their members at work....with union safety reps having to be consulted.
Many of the changes have proven to be of great use to union members. Unions now use the law instead of the many pointless strikes (that the few led them into) and use it to great effect. Unions now have large legal departments and secure large compensation payments for members injured, or made ill at/by work.
Once thatcher had shown them the way forward, they proceeded along that path with great speed.
Sure, some unions disappeared. But many amalgamated to form (out of the many) a few seriously strong unions, which are now busy forging alliances with overseas unions.
Union globalisation, in fact !
And why should the unions wish to change it ?
Much of the "damage" she did to the unions has been highly beneficial.
Unions are now displaying regard for their membership, and are protecting their members at work....with union safety reps having to be consulted.
Many of the changes have proven to be of great use to union members. Unions now use the law instead of the many pointless strikes (that the few led them into) and use it to great effect. Unions now have large legal departments and secure large compensation payments for members injured, or made ill at/by work.
Once thatcher had shown them the way forward, they proceeded along that path with great speed.
Sure, some unions disappeared. But many amalgamated to form (out of the many) a few seriously strong unions, which are now busy forging alliances with overseas unions.
Union globalisation, in fact !
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Losty as you know I really care what people say about me....not!
Thatcher was one of THE great Prime ministers, over the last 100 years. She is either level or just behind Churchill in every poll.
Of course NO Prime Minister is 100% popular all of the time. She enabled " ordinary " people to own their homes....millions of them.
She smashed the unions they were constantly bringing this country to it's knees. (and for the sake of balance in the process crushed the coal industry, the steel industry and the greater part of britian's manufacturing base. so can you understand why she isn't popular in wales or south yorkshire or the west midlands) Policies that continue to work well today, and of which even the unions have not sought to change.
The poll tax was a clanger, but only in the ammount it was costing people. The ethics were correct.
(so she decided to try it out on Scotland first before deciding... hmmm... not good..... can you understand the hatred and why there were no scottish conservative MP's left?)
She sold off many things which were losing money. Losing the taxpayer money. (actually that bit isn't true...... the things privitised like british gas and electricity were making money, BT made money, BA made money, she actually did it more to fund the tax cuts Yes she is or was not perfect. But she had big balls, unlike a lot of the other cowards who have followed her.
Love her or hate her.....she will live in the anails of political history, for decades to come.
and very oppotunistic is calling a snap general election on the back of the falklands war...... but i would never have a go at her for that,on the tide of nationalism labour had no chance...
sorry had to put bits into what you wrote..... it is only fair ro be balanced...
as time goes by history is normally kind to people, maybe we just haven't had enough history go by yet
it is interested to see what they will do as and when she dies.... will they give her a state funeral... because a lot of people will say yes.. and a lot will say no
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Love her or hate her.....she will live in the anals of political history, for decades to come.
:laughabove:
One has to acknowledge she made an awful lot of differences to the country that was in a dire state when she took over. She was certainly the strongest and most resolute leader we have seen in our her conviction was also her biggest weakness.
I do not agree with all she did and I feel she did not do enough to encourage a medium to long term view on manufacturing development.
On balance do I think she did a better job than any contemporaries of the time would have done ...the answer to that is yes!
Please do not lay the blame for uk plc manufacturing's demise at her door ... as others have said our manufacturing has gone abroad for reasons of profit generation(for reasons of low labour cost, higher productivity, higher quality and tax reduction) which is why it leaves you so vulnerable when your industry is owned by Johny foreigner.
Would I have worked for her.........ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!
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A nobler scene than this.
Here lie the bones of Castlereagh.
Stop traveller, and piss.
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I'm sure this could be re-used.
There is one job in the world I really want and that is to be Thatchers nurse...To start every day telling her Dennis is dead,her children hate her,and the whole world wishes her and only then will she possibly feel the misery she created for so many others.
I'm not a violent or vindictive man but only in her case would I happily harness the horses that should tear her limb from limb.
Hope this goes someway to revealing the depths of my hatred for this evil malicious thing (she's barely human never mind female)
A nobler scene than this.
Here lie the bones of Castlereagh.
Stop traveller, and piss.
Byron
I'm sure this could be re-used.
There is one job in the world I really want and that is to be Thatchers nurse...To start every day telling her Dennis is dead,her children hate her,and the whole world wishes her and only then will she possibly feel the misery she created for so many others.
I'm not a violent or vindictive man but only in her case would I happily harness the horses that should tear her limb from limb.
Hope this goes someway to revealing the depths of my hatred for this evil malicious thing (she's barely human never mind female)
When I worked in the North East during the 80's everyone blamed 'Thatcher' for just about everything bad that happened ever to them - to hear people talk you'd think they'd all have been millionaires, brain surgeons or rocket scientists if it hadn't been for her. Lots of people still blame her for their own, and the country's shortcomings. I'm old enough to recall the bad old days when the unions ran the country - nothing worked, power cuts were frequent, strikes happened all the time and we had a 3 day week. Maggie sorted all that out.
At least she DID something during her 10 years. Blair did the square root of f***all apart from ensuring hundreds of our troops and thousands of innocent civilians got killed for nothing.
Rose thinks completely differently though! It's one thing we don't agree on.
Geoff
At least she DID something during her 10 years. Blair did the square root of f***all apart from ensuring hundreds of our troops and thousands of innocent civilians got killed for nothing.
Rose thinks completely differently though! It's one thing we don't agree on.
Geoff
