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Question for everyone who moans about "scroungers"....would you if you lost your job refuse benefits ???
I left school at 18 in 1981 and was unemployed until I was 25,during this time I claimed benefits NOT because I was a scrounger but because it was and is my right.
Occasionally it does you good to wear the other mans sheer lack of empathy or any attempt at understanding in the condemnation of any benefit claimant as a scrounger shames the person who holds the view.
How much do any of us know about this girl or her circumstances?..next to nothing, how then can you condemn her ??
How much did the Mail pay for those happy smiling pictures?who did they pay ? is there not a note of hypocrisy in this ?
Finally, it may not be a good time to be condemning benefits claimants..we are all edging closer to joining them.
P.S. I pay my taxes in the belief that we all benefit from the welfare state and despite its many flaws I still believe this.
I left school at 18 in 1981 and was unemployed until I was 25,during this time I claimed benefits NOT because I was a scrounger but because it was and is my right.
Occasionally it does you good to wear the other mans sheer lack of empathy or any attempt at understanding in the condemnation of any benefit claimant as a scrounger shames the person who holds the view.
How much do any of us know about this girl or her circumstances?..next to nothing, how then can you condemn her ??
How much did the Mail pay for those happy smiling pictures?who did they pay ? is there not a note of hypocrisy in this ?
Finally, it may not be a good time to be condemning benefits claimants..we are all edging closer to joining them.
P.S. I pay my taxes in the belief that we all benefit from the welfare state and despite its many flaws I still believe this.
Sex God
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Question for everyone who moans about "scroungers"....would you if you lost your job refuse benefits ???
I left school at 18 in 1981 and was unemployed until I was 25,during this time I claimed benefits NOT because I was a scrounger but because it was and is my right.
Occasionally it does you good to wear the other mans sheer lack of empathy or any attempt at understanding in the condemnation of any benefit claimant as a scrounger shames the person who holds the view.
How much do any of us know about this girl or her circumstances?..next to nothing, how then can you condemn her ??
How much did the Mail pay for those happy smiling pictures?who did they pay ? is there not a note of hypocrisy in this ?
Finally, it may not be a good time to be condemning benefits claimants..we are all edging closer to joining them.
P.S. I pay my taxes in the belief that we all benefit from the welfare state and despite its many flaws I still believe this.
:thumbup: For me finding out I was expecting triplets at 17 (like the girl in the story I already had 1 child before I was that age I would be beside myself with worry, How in reality is she meant to go out to work?? Who would hire her pregnant with triplets?, Afterwards how is she meant to work and cope with the cost of having 4 kids cared for by childminders?
Sex God
I've never claimed benefits.
I'm not having a moan about those who do, I just never have. I've never needed to. I have always worked. Sometimes those jobs haven't been the jobs I'd have chosen, but needs must.
I believe that if you want to work, and I mean REALLY want to work then there are jobs out there for you. To be unemployed for any great length of time, to me, screams that you're a lazy bampot! :mrgreen: I'm sure there are those who disagree but if it meant scrubbing loos to earn a wage then I'd be there with my marigolds on willing to scrub and no amount of excuses is going to make me change my mind on that. They are just that, excuses. Whilst I appreciate that it's perhaps not the case in the middle of a recession, for the most part, there are jobs out there for the willing else you wouldn't all be complaining about the Polish (etc) taking them out from under you!
I'm sorry but I just don't fall into the bracket of moaning about those who claim, I pay my taxes, always have done, I have absolutely no control over where that money goes, I don't see any point in whinging over it.
Maybe you think I'm stupid, maybe you don't but I think I'd rather that the silly girl, who should have known better than to have unprotected sex again after making that choice/mistake/accident once already, had my cash than the scumbags who are in prison serving time for crime and living like lords but I suspect that's a whole different thread! :wink:
Anyway... since I don't do politics I'm going to exit quietly... I just felt the urge to say that. :mrgreen:
This post is not directed at anyone in particular, it's just how I feel. I'm not even sure that I'm in the right thread!
I'm not having a moan about those who do, I just never have. I've never needed to. I have always worked. Sometimes those jobs haven't been the jobs I'd have chosen, but needs must.
I believe that if you want to work, and I mean REALLY want to work then there are jobs out there for you. To be unemployed for any great length of time, to me, screams that you're a lazy bampot! :mrgreen: I'm sure there are those who disagree but if it meant scrubbing loos to earn a wage then I'd be there with my marigolds on willing to scrub and no amount of excuses is going to make me change my mind on that. They are just that, excuses. Whilst I appreciate that it's perhaps not the case in the middle of a recession, for the most part, there are jobs out there for the willing else you wouldn't all be complaining about the Polish (etc) taking them out from under you!
I'm sorry but I just don't fall into the bracket of moaning about those who claim, I pay my taxes, always have done, I have absolutely no control over where that money goes, I don't see any point in whinging over it.
Maybe you think I'm stupid, maybe you don't but I think I'd rather that the silly girl, who should have known better than to have unprotected sex again after making that choice/mistake/accident once already, had my cash than the scumbags who are in prison serving time for crime and living like lords but I suspect that's a whole different thread! :wink:
Anyway... since I don't do politics I'm going to exit quietly... I just felt the urge to say that. :mrgreen:
This post is not directed at anyone in particular, it's just how I feel. I'm not even sure that I'm in the right thread!
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Question for everyone who moans about "scroungers"....would you if you lost your job refuse benefits ???
I left school at 18 in 1981 and was unemployed until I was 25,during this time I claimed benefits NOT because I was a scrounger but because it was and is my right.
Occasionally it does you good to wear the other mans sheer lack of empathy or any attempt at understanding in the condemnation of any benefit claimant as a scrounger shames the person who holds the view.
How much do any of us know about this girl or her circumstances?..next to nothing, how then can you condemn her ??
How much did the Mail pay for those happy smiling pictures?who did they pay ? is there not a note of hypocrisy in this ?
Finally, it may not be a good time to be condemning benefits claimants..we are all edging closer to joining them.
P.S. I pay my taxes in the belief that we all benefit from the welfare state and despite its many flaws I still believe this.
:thumbup: For me finding out I was expecting triplets at 17 (like the girl in the story I already had 1 child before I was that age I would be beside myself with worry, How in reality is she meant to go out to work?? Who would hire her pregnant with triplets?, Afterwards how is she meant to work and cope with the cost of having 4 kids cared for by childminders?
Just maybe she should have thought about that BEFORE she had sex?
Obviously she cannot work now but....why the heck can't he? He is young and looks strong enough. What job can he not do? Probably anything that needed his brain cells to function, but there are loads of jobs out there, that even a doughnut could do.
But we all know that they will get more money not working, than working. That is the scandal of all this.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Question for everyone who moans about "scroungers"....would you if you lost your job refuse benefits ???
I left school at 18 in 1981 and was unemployed until I was 25,during this time I claimed benefits NOT because I was a scrounger but because it was and is my right.
Occasionally it does you good to wear the other mans sheer lack of empathy or any attempt at understanding in the condemnation of any benefit claimant as a scrounger shames the person who holds the view.
How much do any of us know about this girl or her circumstances?..next to nothing, how then can you condemn her ??
How much did the Mail pay for those happy smiling pictures?who did they pay ? is there not a note of hypocrisy in this ?
Finally, it may not be a good time to be condemning benefits claimants..we are all edging closer to joining them.
P.S. I pay my taxes in the belief that we all benefit from the welfare state and despite its many flaws I still believe this.
:thumbup: For me finding out I was expecting triplets at 17 (like the girl in the story I already had 1 child before I was that age I would be beside myself with worry, How in reality is she meant to go out to work?? Who would hire her pregnant with triplets?, Afterwards how is she meant to work and cope with the cost of having 4 kids cared for by childminders?
Just maybe she should have thought about that BEFORE she had sex?
Like any one else never had an accident and fell pregnant when they were not financially secure?
Quote by kentswingers777
Obviously she cannot work now but....why the heck can't he? He is young and looks strong enough. What job can he not do? Probably anything that needed his brain cells to function, but there are loads of jobs out there, that even a doughnut could do.
But we all know that they will get more money not working, than working. That is the scandal of all this.
That's not totally his fault though is it? He realises he doesn't have to work, Being condemned as a scrounger because of the way the government works. He didnt make the rules. Yes he could go out and get any job any job but with 3 babies on the way would anyone really knowingly make them selves worse off financially?? I know I wouldn't
Maybe instead of blaming scroungers people could actually look at the way the country allowed this to happen.
Sex God
Quote by flower411
Question for everyone who moans about "scroungers"....would you if you lost your job refuse benefits ???
I left school at 18 in 1981 and was unemployed until I was 25,during this time I claimed benefits NOT because I was a scrounger but because it was and is my right.
Occasionally it does you good to wear the other mans sheer lack of empathy or any attempt at understanding in the condemnation of any benefit claimant as a scrounger shames the person who holds the view.
How much do any of us know about this girl or her circumstances?..next to nothing, how then can you condemn her ??
How much did the Mail pay for those happy smiling pictures?who did they pay ? is there not a note of hypocrisy in this ?
Finally, it may not be a good time to be condemning benefits claimants..we are all edging closer to joining them.
P.S. I pay my taxes in the belief that we all benefit from the welfare state and despite its many flaws I still believe this.
I`ve claimed benefits in the past and I do feel that I`ve paid my fair share back into the system. There are loads of people who have done and will do the same.
I don`t see this facility as a "right" as I don`t think any of us have a right to anything. We are just lucky to live in a society of people, who, as a group have decided it would be a good idea to help out the less fortunate members of the group when they need help. It is not a "right" !!!
However, some members of the group abuse the facility and are,in fact scroungers. There is no other word to describe them.....I admit it`s hard to identify them simply from reading a newspaper article or even when you meet them in some cases, but they do exist and there is a whole "underclass" that is continuing the myth that it is their "right" to rip the rest of us off.
I don`t have the answers but I do know that if we simply ignore the facts in front of us we will end up with ghettos.....not for the poor but for the rich, who will barricade themselves behind walls and fences and ultimately will stop paying to support those less fortunate than themselves.
Anyone who fulfills the criteria to claim benefits has a legal right to do so and has a recourse to law if they are denied......they do have a right to their benefits
There is undeniably an underclass in this country time would be better spent asking why rather than the knee-jerk condemnation frequently displayed in this forum by certain parties.
We are not on being ripped off by benefit claimants (there are a small number of fraudsters, who should be pursued and prosecuted)they are merely pursuing their legal rights.
If you really want to know who's ripping you off .. look to the other end of the financial spectrum where the true scroungers are to be found.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Question for everyone who moans about "scroungers"....would you if you lost your job refuse benefits ???
I left school at 18 in 1981 and was unemployed until I was 25,during this time I claimed benefits NOT because I was a scrounger but because it was and is my right.
Occasionally it does you good to wear the other mans sheer lack of empathy or any attempt at understanding in the condemnation of any benefit claimant as a scrounger shames the person who holds the view.
How much do any of us know about this girl or her circumstances?..next to nothing, how then can you condemn her ??
How much did the Mail pay for those happy smiling pictures?who did they pay ? is there not a note of hypocrisy in this ?
Finally, it may not be a good time to be condemning benefits claimants..we are all edging closer to joining them.
P.S. I pay my taxes in the belief that we all benefit from the welfare state and despite its many flaws I still believe this.
:thumbup: For me finding out I was expecting triplets at 17 (like the girl in the story I already had 1 child before I was that age I would be beside myself with worry, How in reality is she meant to go out to work?? Who would hire her pregnant with triplets?, Afterwards how is she meant to work and cope with the cost of having 4 kids cared for by childminders?
Just maybe she should have thought about that BEFORE she had sex?
Obviously she cannot work now but....why the heck can't he? He is young and looks strong enough. What job can he not do? Probably anything that needed his brain cells to function, but there are loads of jobs out there, that even a doughnut could do.
But we all know that they will get more money not working, than working. That is the scandal of all this.
Of course we all carefully consider all possible eventualities before we have sex don't we,climb down from your ivory tower for a minute and look into the real world.
Why do you assume neither he or she are willing to work ? do you know them ? they are 17 not really a long time to be in an ever decreasing job market is it?
There's an old adage that says we judge others by our own standards ......if you really reallly want to live on benefits that much do it stop moaning about people who do....you may find it's harder than you think.
Sex God
Quote by flower411
Question for everyone who moans about "scroungers"....would you if you lost your job refuse benefits ???
I left school at 18 in 1981 and was unemployed until I was 25,during this time I claimed benefits NOT because I was a scrounger but because it was and is my right.
Occasionally it does you good to wear the other mans sheer lack of empathy or any attempt at understanding in the condemnation of any benefit claimant as a scrounger shames the person who holds the view.
How much do any of us know about this girl or her circumstances?..next to nothing, how then can you condemn her ??
How much did the Mail pay for those happy smiling pictures?who did they pay ? is there not a note of hypocrisy in this ?
Finally, it may not be a good time to be condemning benefits claimants..we are all edging closer to joining them.
P.S. I pay my taxes in the belief that we all benefit from the welfare state and despite its many flaws I still believe this.
I`ve claimed benefits in the past and I do feel that I`ve paid my fair share back into the system. There are loads of people who have done and will do the same.
I don`t see this facility as a "right" as I don`t think any of us have a right to anything. We are just lucky to live in a society of people, who, as a group have decided it would be a good idea to help out the less fortunate members of the group when they need help. It is not a "right" !!!
However, some members of the group abuse the facility and are,in fact scroungers. There is no other word to describe them.....I admit it`s hard to identify them simply from reading a newspaper article or even when you meet them in some cases, but they do exist and there is a whole "underclass" that is continuing the myth that it is their "right" to rip the rest of us off.
I don`t have the answers but I do know that if we simply ignore the facts in front of us we will end up with ghettos.....not for the poor but for the rich, who will barricade themselves behind walls and fences and ultimately will stop paying to support those less fortunate than themselves.
Anyone who fulfills the criteria to claim benefits has a legal right to do so and has a recourse to law if they are denied......they do have a right to their benefits
There is undeniably an underclass in this country time would be better spent asking why rather than the knee-jerk condemnation frequently displayed in this forum by certain parties.
We are not on being ripped off by benefit claimants (there are a small number of fraudsters, who should be pursued and prosecuted)they are merely pursuing their legal rights.
If you really want to know who's ripping you off .. look to the other end of the financial spectrum where the true scroungers are to be found.
Anybody taking money out of the system without being entitled to it is a scrounger.
The way you suggest that it is a "legal" right makes it ok for the bankers and politicians to do it !!
I don`t think that being "legal" is an excuse to rip the rest of us off .....don`t give a damn which end of the spectrum they are ....
Plenty of people are entitled to benefits when they find themselves in a difficult situation and plenty of people are "legally" entitled to claim but some of them are perfectly capable of getting off their arses and helping themselves ....
No solutions from me ....except draconian, heavy handed, sweeping reforms ..... but then it`s probably best that I never get to make the big decisions
surely fulfilling the criteria is the same as being entitled to benefits or are you suggesting that someone in a position of power should be making moral judgements about who deserves them ??
No wonder we live in a society that " breeds " these kind of people.
There are so many out there who just make excuses for these types of people. No wonder we have the highest teenager pregnancy rate in the Western world.
With Liberal attitudes, we can only expect people to live by Liberal means.
I cannot and will not, ever except this type of behavour, as the norm. It is not. As I have said I feel sorry for the kids here, as it is not their fault. It is the fault of a society that openly encourages this.
Still the parents with three kids who both work get jack shit, whilst these kind of " scroungers ", get everything.
Roll on Government reforms, where these kind of people will be penalised, and he will be FORCED to get off his lazy butt, and find a job. No doubt the only job he wants is one that pays 80 grand a year, and is a brain surgeon. As that will never happen he will just pick up his cheque from his local post office, on a Monday morning.
Morals? They would not even know how to spell the word.
There are so many out there who just make excuses for these types of people. No wonder we have the highest teenager pregnancy rate in the Western world.
With Liberal attitudes, we can only expect people to live by Liberal means.
I cannot and will not, ever except this type of behavour, as the norm. It is not. As I have said I feel sorry for the kids here, as it is not their fault. It is the fault of a society that openly encourages this.
Still the parents with three kids who both work get jack shit, whilst these kind of " scroungers ", get everything.
Roll on Government reforms, where these kind of people will be penalised, and he will be FORCED to get off his lazy butt, and find a job. No doubt the only job he wants is one that pays 80 grand a year, and is a brain surgeon. As that will never happen he will just pick up his cheque from his local post office, on a Monday morning.
Morals? They would not even know how to spell the word.
Sex God
Hehehehe like lambs to the slaughter Kenty :-) :-) .
You really ARE like him rofl , I hope that makes you proud :-)
You really ARE like him rofl , I hope that makes you proud :-)
"a small number of fraudsters" you must be living on another planet or just a very well off area an never venture out,maybe thats why it took you 7 years to get a job ! even in these hard times i wouldnt take 7 days to get a another job
I left school in 82 an went onto the YTS scheme an worked my way up from there,never claimed a thing in my life I have been made redundant 3 time in that time ,the last time 9 months ago but always got a job the next week
I have a nice house in norfolk that hard work has got me but im writing this in my caravan in Bognor having just finnished another night shift cos thats what i had to do to get another job but im happy an can hold my head up knowing its better than being home claiming whats my "right".My contract could end any day but like dirty girl said i also will do anything,any job anywhere but there are more an more people who are prepared to do nothing apart from claim their "rights"
I left school in 82 an went onto the YTS scheme an worked my way up from there,never claimed a thing in my life I have been made redundant 3 time in that time ,the last time 9 months ago but always got a job the next week
I have a nice house in norfolk that hard work has got me but im writing this in my caravan in Bognor having just finnished another night shift cos thats what i had to do to get another job but im happy an can hold my head up knowing its better than being home claiming whats my "right".My contract could end any day but like dirty girl said i also will do anything,any job anywhere but there are more an more people who are prepared to do nothing apart from claim their "rights"
Sex God
Quote by rob-boy-norfolk
"a small number of fraudsters" you must be living on another planet or just a very well off area an never venture out,maybe thats why it took you 7 years to get a job ! even in these hard times i wouldnt take 7 days to get a another job
I left school in 82 an went onto the YTS scheme an worked my way up from there,never claimed a thing in my life I have been made redundant 3 time in that time ,the last time 9 months ago but always got a job the next week
I have a nice house in norfolk that hard work has got me but im writing this in my caravan in Bognor having just finnished another night shift cos thats what i had to do to get another job but im happy an can hold my head up knowing its better than being home claiming whats my "right".My contract could end any day but like dirty girl said i also will do anything,any job anywhere but there are more an more people who are prepared to do nothing apart from claim their "rights"
I live in the middle of a council estate in Sheffield, not really that well off.
At the time I left school Ian Macgreggor had just decimated the main industry in my town and was just about to move on to one of the areas next largest employers ....I couldn't get on a yts scheme.
Impressed though I am by your night shift I've just recently finished 18 months of 12 hour nights working straight through i.e. no breaks (I'm not a stranger to hard work).
I think you will find that the number of people fraudulently claiming benefits is relatively small,infact every time I've seen it mentioned (very rarely ,it doesn't suit the press' agenda)the figures show that there is far more money in unclaimed benefits than is ever fraudulently claimed.
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Hehehehe like lambs to the slaughter Kenty :-) :-) .
You really ARE like him rofl , I hope that makes you proud :-)
I am proud that I do not bow to the lefties out there, trying to tell me they are soooo perfect, in their little worlds.
That the Liberals society is just fine with kids so young having kids, paid for by the state. Saying that poor little Johny had a deprived childhood, which is why him and his mates, kicked to death that poor family guy with two kids.
The lefties would have everyone believe that there are no social problems at all. That there are no kids at all under 16 having their second kids. It is all newspaper scaremongering.
And on the oh soooooooooo rare occasion when things step out of their perfect worlds, it is such a minority, such a small thing, that it is certainly not something to be made a fuss of.
Well I know I AM in the real world. Ferel thugs everywhere, parents that do not give a toss. Crime and anti social behavour is rife. Well if that is the Liberals ideals of an oh such perfect world, then they can stick it.
The difference here is that I know what morals are. I know the difference between what is right and wrong. This Government have created this leftie ideal, and many have thrived on it. It will turn around you mark my words, and they should do what they have done in Holland, with regard to kids having their own kids....check their teenage pregnancy rates now.
Proud? Yes I am of my kids, brought up to show respect, and to be honest. Proud of what this country has become? What do you think?
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
I am proud that I do not bow to the lefties out there, trying to tell me they are soooo perfect, in their little worlds.
Just as you think your world to be oh so perfect no doubts....
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
The lefties would have everyone believe that there are no social problems at all. That there are no kids at all under 16 having their second kids. It is all newspaper scaremongering.
And on the oh soooooooooo rare occasion when things step out of their perfect worlds, it is such a minority, such a small thing, that it is certainly not something to be made a fuss of.
Well I know I AM in the real world. Ferel thugs everywhere, parents that do not give a toss. Crime and anti social behavour is rife. Well if that is the Liberals ideals of an oh such perfect world, then they can stick it.
The difference here is that I know what morals are. I know the difference between what is right and wrong. This Government have created this leftie ideal, and many have thrived on it. It will turn around you mark my words, and they should do what they have done in Holland, with regard to kids having their own kids....check their teenage pregnancy rates now.
Kent, where are these people on the left who reckon everythings fine and dandy? I don't know any. I'd class myself as a liberal lefty, and having been brought up on the council estate where my mam still lives, an estate routinely referred to as Beirut by the local police, I'm fully aware of the kinds of social problems that exist in this country. Where I disagree entirely with what passes for informed analysis in rags like the Daily Mail is that they all too often suggest the imposition of punitive sanctions against those that have already slipped through the net. That to me is a bit like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. If we really want to see something done about these myriad social ills, we have to start in the right place, and the right place IMO would be measures aimed at prevention rather than punishment. It can't all be about the stick. There has to be some carrot there too. ;) As for the idea that it's all down to the current Labour administration, are you seriously trying to suggest that things were perfect under the previous Tory administrtation, because as I remember it, things were bloody dire back then too, and much of what passes for social policy these days is inherited directly from them.
As for Holland, one of the main reasons why their teen pregnancy rates are so much lower than ours is because they have more enlightened attitudes to proper sex education over there. You'll find examples of what that actually involves Now tell me Kent, what would Gaunty and the Daily Mail have to say if we tried to bring in sex education of that sort do you think? I know what I think. They would scream it down. Their pages would be full of righteous moral outrage, and the reason I say that is because that's what happens every time we try in this country to do something valuable and workable that might actually be effective before the problems start.
Neil x x x ;)
Albert Einstein never claimed a benefit in his life ( although I spose he was a foreigner taking British jobs)
I believe he once said:
"A human being is part of a whole, called by us the 'universe', a part limited in time and space.
He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separate from the rest
- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.
This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affectation for a few people near us.
Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion
to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
I believe he once said:
"A human being is part of a whole, called by us the 'universe', a part limited in time and space.
He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separate from the rest
- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.
This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affectation for a few people near us.
Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion
to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
Sex God
Quote by benrums0n
Albert Einstein never claimed a benefit in his life
Einstein was working on the side and claiming job seekers...
rob-boy said so
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
No wonder we live in a society that " breeds " these kind of people.
There are so many out there who just make excuses for these types of people. No wonder we have the highest teenager pregnancy rate in the Western world.
With Liberal attitudes, we can only expect people to live by Liberal means.
I cannot and will not, ever except this type of behavour, as the norm. It is not. As I have said I feel sorry for the kids here, as it is not their fault. It is the fault of a society that openly encourages this.
Still the parents with three kids who both work get jack shit, whilst these kind of " scroungers ", get everything.
Roll on Government reforms, where these kind of people will be penalised, and he will be FORCED to get off his lazy butt, and find a job. No doubt the only job he wants is one that pays 80 grand a year, and is a brain surgeon. As that will never happen he will just pick up his cheque from his local post office, on a Monday morning.
Morals? They would not even know how to spell the word.
I was one of your statistics I had a baby before I was 16, I claimed benefits from age 16 - 20 That obviously makes me a scrounger. The fact I spent those years also studying full time & part time college courses is irrelevant. The fact I was out of the house 12 hours a day 5 days a week getting myself an education and working weekends is irrelevant. You do not know every ones reasons, You don't know these people, You don't know their circumstances. Until you do you really know nothing
Quote by benrums0n
Albert Einstein never claimed a benefit in his life ( although I spose he was a foreigner taking British jobs)
I believe he once said:
"A human being is part of a whole, called by us the 'universe', a part limited in time and space.
He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separate from the rest
- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.
This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affectation for a few people near us.
Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion
to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
Actually, he only visited England for short periods -usually part of lecture tours.
As to the original post, there seem to be a lot of people on here who apparently believe that nobody is responsible for anything in this life. I would suspect that they are/have been benefits claimants and have done very well out of it - after all, they have the money for pc's to post on here! I had to work to pay for mine, and probably had to work to pay for theirs. I believe that a radical overhaul of the system is required. These parasites should not be allowed to claim unless they work for it, and prove that they need it. Amongst my suggestions would be that they would have to account for all purchases on a weekly basis, by providing receipts. That way we wouldn't be paying for their fags, booze, chav-attire etc. Also, random checks of their homes for unnaccounted-for luxury items. Witholding of passports.
But I suppose all those suggestions would eventually equate to people taking responsibilty for not abusing the system, and being fair to those genuinely in need. It'll never happen whilst humans live on this planet.
Sex God
How is life on that ivory tower looking through rose tinted glasses??
Parasites? For possibly claiming a benefit they are entitled to?
Parasites? For possibly claiming a benefit they are entitled to?
god i wish i knew how to cut an paste an operate a pc better it would make this soooooooooo much easier !
All the unclaimed benefits are from people new to the system,the ones with pride the ones who hate to claim an who wouldnt dream of screwing the system
You get to the scroungers an there isnt 1p of unclaimed benefit ! its not a small number its tens of thousands Norwich,Port Talbot,Bognor it dosent matter where i am i could take you too areas where 99% of the people are genuine honest an hard working an very close to those areas you will find areas where being a scrounger,on the hobble is seen as the norm for a lot of the people
You will hear "its a depressed area" "its deprived" but the funny thing is some people in those areas have jobs an it dont affect them but for many the area is the 1st thing in a long line of exscuses
All the unclaimed benefits are from people new to the system,the ones with pride the ones who hate to claim an who wouldnt dream of screwing the system
You get to the scroungers an there isnt 1p of unclaimed benefit ! its not a small number its tens of thousands Norwich,Port Talbot,Bognor it dosent matter where i am i could take you too areas where 99% of the people are genuine honest an hard working an very close to those areas you will find areas where being a scrounger,on the hobble is seen as the norm for a lot of the people
You will hear "its a depressed area" "its deprived" but the funny thing is some people in those areas have jobs an it dont affect them but for many the area is the 1st thing in a long line of exscuses
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The lefties would have everyone believe that there are no social problems at all. That there are no kids at all under 16 having their second kids. It is all newspaper scaremongering.
And on the oh soooooooooo rare occasion when things step out of their perfect worlds, it is such a minority, such a small thing, that it is certainly not something to be made a fuss of.
Well I know I AM in the real world. Ferel thugs everywhere, parents that do not give a toss. Crime and anti social behavour is rife. Well if that is the Liberals ideals of an oh such perfect world, then they can stick it.
The difference here is that I know what morals are. I know the difference between what is right and wrong. This Government have created this leftie ideal, and many have thrived on it. It will turn around you mark my words, and they should do what they have done in Holland, with regard to kids having their own kids....check their teenage pregnancy rates now.
Kent, where are these people on the left who reckon everythings fine and dandy? I don't know any. I'd class myself as a liberal lefty, and having been brought up on the council estate where my mam still lives, an estate routinely referred to as Beirut by the local police, I'm fully aware of the kinds of social problems that exist in this country. Where I disagree entirely with what passes for informed analysis in rags like the Daily Mail is that they all too often suggest the imposition of punitive sanctions against those that have already slipped through the net. That to me is a bit like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. If we really want to see something done about these myriad social ills, we have to start in the right place, and the right place IMO would be measures aimed at prevention rather than punishment. It can't all be about the stick. There has to be some carrot there too. ;) As for the idea that it's all down to the current Labour administration, are you seriously trying to suggest that things were perfect under the previous Tory administrtation, because as I remember it, things were bloody dire back then too, and much of what passes for social policy these days is inherited directly from them.
As for Holland, one of the main reasons why their teen pregnancy rates are so much lower than ours is because they have more enlightened attitudes to proper sex education over there. You'll find examples of what that actually involves Now tell me Kent, what would Gaunty and the Daily Mail have to say if we tried to bring in sex education of that sort do you think? I know what I think. They would scream it down. Their pages would be full of righteous moral outrage, and the reason I say that is because that's what happens every time we try in this country to do something valuable and workable that might actually be effective before the problems start.
Neil x x x ;)
Wasn't the Labour mantra "things can only get better?"
ffs, Bliar and Borrown have had over 10 years to "make everything better" as they promised. Anyone still got the Labour card with the 10 promises on it?
No GNV but this is a quote from the 1931 labour manifesto.
The Labour Party is convinced, in the light particularly of experience since 1925, that the banking and credit system of the country can no longer be left in private hands. It must be brought directly under national ownership and control.
Looks like they are finally getting there.
The Labour Party is convinced, in the light particularly of experience since 1925, that the banking and credit system of the country can no longer be left in private hands. It must be brought directly under national ownership and control.
Looks like they are finally getting there.
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No GNV but this is a quote from the 1931 labour manifesto.
The Labour Party is convinced, in the light particularly of experience since 1925, that the banking and credit system of the country can no longer be left in private hands. It must be brought directly under national ownership and control.
Looks like they are finally getting there.
Ah! but in 1925 Politicians were honourable people...
in edit: Perhaps I should just say MP's
