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Hi guys
If anyone is watching the wonderful - but horrific - Jamie's School
Dinners on Wednesdays, there is a petition going round to get this crap
school food off the kids' menus (turkey twizzlers have already got the
push!)
Please can you spend two seconds signing this petition, cos even if most
of us don't have kids yet, then we damn well want to get this sorted
before we do!
Brilliant programme, never miss it.
Same here. I have newfound respect for Jamie Oliver since he began this crusade. The state of school dinners these days is just :shock:
Anything that puts proper school dinners back on the menu is welcome in my book.
:thumbup: to the mockney geezer.
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Hi guys
If anyone is watching the wonderful - but horrific - Jamie's School
Dinners on Wednesdays, there is a petition going round to get this crap
school food off the kids' menus (turkey twizzlers have already got the
push!)
Please can you spend two seconds signing this petition, cos even if most
of us don't have kids yet, then we damn well want to get this sorted
before we do!

Good on ya for putting this one up Spencer m8
My son is having behavioural problems at school at the moment.
He has gone from being a very well-behaved boy when he was having pack-up before to being one of the kids on the verge of being excluded. I am almost at my wit's end trying to figure out what has gone wrong with his behaviour from thinking he may be getting bullied, to wondering if there might be more that I could do to try and bring him back into line. He is on a behaviour report each week and gets sent out of class at least 5 times a week. I hate the thought of having to smack his bum, but have resorted to that a couple of times when he has been overly cheeky to me or other adults.
I know he is VERY talkative and mischievous, but has never been a "naughty" boy before.
It has made me wonder if it could be all the additives and crap in the food they serve up.
I will definitely be trying him on packed lunches again as of next week. I'll let you know if his behaviour improves when he has been on the packed lunches for a few weeks.
If it does prove to be the case that he becomes better behaved for being on packed lunches then I will be lobbying the local schools and my MP (Dennis Skinner.........who is like a Pit Bull when he gets going) to get this poisonous crap out of the schools and get them back on a "proper" balanced diet.
Once again......Thank you Spencer................I wouldn't have even thought of his diet maybe being at the root of the problem unless you had posted this thread.
I'll keep you informed m8.
Marcuso
Can I also suggest that you encourage children to drink water during the school day. Recently some excellent research has been done and shows that children (and adults!!) concentrate much better for much longer when hydrated and allowed access to drinking water - so much that some primaries in my area are installing water fountains in some classrooms and corridors.
In my school we allow water to be drunk in most lessons and the behaviour of some difficult pupils has dramatically improved.
Oh, and another piece of research showed that a daily supplement of Tri-omega tablets also has a dramatic and significant improvement in child behaviour and concentration.
Hope this helps - pre-shaped chicken faces and fizzy drinks won't!
:P
PS - We have also banned Skittles (the sweeties) as the colours in them sends the children totally loopy :shock: :shock:
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Can I also suggest that you encourage children to drink water during the school day. Recently some excellent research has been done and shows that children (and adults!!) concentrate much better for much longer when hydrated and allowed access to drinking water - so much that some primaries in my area are installing water fountains in some classrooms and corridors.
In my school we allow water to be drunk in most lessons and the behaviour of some difficult pupils has dramatically improved.
Oh, and another piece of research showed that a daily supplement of Tri-omega tablets also has a dramatic and significant improvement in child behaviour and concentration.
Hope this helps - pre-shaped chicken faces and fizzy drinks won't!
:P
PS - We have also banned Skittles (the sweeties) as the colours in them sends the children totally loopy :shock: :shock:

Thank you very much for that Jags. I'll certainly be trying it all
Good call, kinda shocking what their fed isnt it! mad
I might make myself unpopular posting this but hell what's new!
Rather than complaining about school dinners and blaming them for the poor health of kids, how about sending kids to school with a proper packed lunch with actual sandwiches, fruit etc in it rather than processed pre-packed rubbish and then sitting down to a cooked family meal at tea-time? That way as a parent you have complete control over their diet every day and probably save money as well!
I will say I agree with Jags suggestion of water available for kids to drink though, not so sure about the Omega-3 tablets though.
Roger the Dragon cool
I also think it is up to the parents to control their kids' eating habits, not the schools, necessarily. What you feed your children at home accounts for much more, and these habits will stay with them for life.
It enfuriates me that people who live on crap and laugh at the contents of a healthy fridge can criticise school dinners. mad :x
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I also think it is up to the parents to control their kids' eating habits, not the schools, necessarily. What you feed your children at home accounts for much more, and these habits will stay with them for life.
It enfuriates me that people who live on crap and laugh at the contents of a healthy fridge can criticise school dinners. mad :x

Ditto.
School dinners are ONE meal in a day. I can't see how they would account for all the things that parents choose to blame on them, even if they were packed with additives and such like. Sorry Mark, I don't think you can blame school dinners for your son's behaviour. He's just pushing to see how far he can go - he needs boundaries and he won't stop until you give him some.
In the school where I work, the dinners are always freshly prepared and the cook there gets the same as any other school does per capita. The meals are nutritious and tasty (yes I have tried them and enjoyed them). Most schools are the same. Turkey twizzlers and the like are often more expensive than buying fresh meat and preparing it anyway. Some of the packed luches that children bring are far less healthy, mainly consisting of crisps, chocolate and snacks.
We also allow children to get a drink of fresh water when they like, keeping them hydrated and awake. Fizzy drinks sent with packed lunches don't do the childrens' teeth any favours. confused
Im my day (god do I sound old) we had water fountains in the school yard. Did they phaze them out then at some point? Shame!
Omega-3 supplements are proven to improve mood and mental concentration in children and adults alike. Seems like granny knew best in believing in the benefits of cod liver oil.
LC
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In the school where I work, the dinners are always freshly prepared and the cook there gets the same as any other school does per capita.

I'm glad to hear it Frecks, that'll be the same 37p every school gets per kid then, compared to the 45p per day the Army gets to feed it's dogs!
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Yep. Bet the Army doesn't complain about the behaviour problems of its dogs either, or blame them on the food confused Sorry but when you've heard parents complain about school dinners being to blame for so many problems, you get a bit fed up of hearing it. If anyone complains to me now about school dinners, I just suggest they send their kids to school with sandwiches. They never do, because then they'd have to admit it wasn't the food mad
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Especially the bit at the end when it says buy this book for £20 ! !, like the parents the programme is aimed are likely to be able to afford or be inclined to?
While I'm glad this kind of information is being brought into the public domain and if it can only be done through celebs all well and good, I can't help being cynica labout the motives of the production company and JO too especially when they plagiarise so much of the concept.

Oh, I'm in no doubt that he'll make a few bob from this and there's more than a hint of self-promotion, but I think that on the whole he's doing this because his celebrity status will help get the message across.
It's easy to blame the parents for what kids eat but alot of parents have been brought up in a climate of food/health ignorance. If you really want a culprit look for the big 3 Asda, Tesco and Oh yes! Jamie Olivers favorite supermarket - Sainsbury's!
The abolition of domestic science in the 80's, advertising and so called convenience foods are also to blame. The international food industry is a killing those who eat and grinding those who produce into the ground.

Yes, you're quite right. The attitude to food production and consumption needs to change. I was lucky to have parents who saw fit to teach me how to cook and I thank them immensely for that.
How many kids nowadays know how to do anything other than nuke a ready meal in the microwave or ring the local pizza place? What's needed is for practical life studies to be a mandatory part of the curriculum. We've got kids leaving schools who can barely read/do basic maths and yet they've miraculously passed said GCSEs.
But it goes further than that, we need to teach kids basic cookery, financial planning and other essential life skills that in many cases aren't getting taught in the home, because their parents weren't taught it.
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Sorry Mark, I don't think you can blame school dinners for your son's behaviour. He's just pushing to see how far he can go - he needs boundaries and he won't stop until you give him some.

You would be surprised how just one thing makes a huge difference... We have a son who we have to watch what he eats as he has an intolerance to colourings... He is also allergic to cows milk and orange (in any form) It's a parents nightmare....
Marcuso, stop all fizzy drinks, try to give him foods that have no artificial colourings and definately no smarties or skittles :shock: I think if all parents tried it they would be surprised just how much of a difference it would make, even to the seemingly well behaved...
Our biggest problem these days is when kids have birthdays and they bring in sweets to school to give out to their classmates... It would be unfair to expect him not to have any at all, we provide the teacher with sweets that we know to be "safe" and he has them instead.
School dinners are not always as healthy as you would think, which is why our kids always have packed lunches biggrin
Shireen
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Edited to add... Did you know that of all the things you are most likely to be allergic to it is cows milk.... If you have a child with behaviour problems or excema (sp?) then by changing them to soya milk will make a huge difference. We know instantly if our son has had cows milk at school, he goes all silly and uncontrolable...
OMG noooooooo not a controversial thread please. i've only been back on a day or so . . . ;)
I have no great love for Jamie Oliver, and yup you can't really blame the one meal a day kids get in school entirely for behavioural problems, though i've seen how a single meal or drink can send my 10 year old cousin completely hyper with pupils so massively dilated you'd swear he was on speed, but . . . it's long been understood that for some kids, that meal is their main meal of the day. it's subsidised ((( or at least it used to be? ))) through free school meals on that basis.
now the rights and wrongs of that re: parenting and convenience foods and whatever else are other arguments, but anything that tries to ensure that if a kid has to eat school meals, for whatever reason, at least making sure that meal is something worth eating is pretty valuable i'd think? and i think most schools ((( and most parents ))) would probably argue that they provide what kids will eat, so it doesn't hurt to educate kids that there's more to a diet than chips and chicken nuggets either. gotta give him a :thumbup: for that, despite his Sainsbury's millions and self promotion.
n x x x ;)
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Sorry Mark, I don't think you can blame school dinners for your son's behaviour. He's just pushing to see how far he can go - he needs boundaries and he won't stop until you give him some.

Sorry if I put that across wrong Bev
I wasn't saying it DEFINITELY was the school meals.......I just said
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My son is having behavioural problems at school at the moment.
He has gone from being a very well-behaved boy when he was having pack-up before to being one of the kids on the verge of being excluded.

I didn't mean it WAS the school dinners..........just that it COULD be.
As I said
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I will definitely be trying him on packed lunches again as of next week. Marcuso

I'm really hoping that will sort him out and then I will be able to say NER NER to you, but TBH I haven't got a clue what is causing it, all I know is that I have noticed he has been more disruptive since he has been on school dinners........or maybe with Spencer putting that link on I have maybe got it into my head that that MAY be the cause.
In all honesty.........I haven't a clue. I'm just trying to make sense of why my son has gone from being a "pleasure to have in the class" to his class teacher having to come out to me at home time and tell me that she has never met "such an obnoxious child in her life."
I haven't got a massive amount of hair left to pull out, but that's exactly what I feel like doing at the moment.
Marcuso
xx xx
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This message was in no way meant to be "having a go" at anyone......just an explanation.
Maybe I'm feeling a little sensitive at the moment, and if I come across that way then I am truly sorry
Not a big fan of the boy Oliver, but it's worth it for the campaign
Ive managed the miss the program every time it has been on so far,but its easy enough to get the jist of what it promotes.
Luckily enough my daughter goes to school which is packed lunches only,so I can control the kinds of things she eats.
At the shool they give out water bottles for every child and they can drink from them throughout the day to keep them is also water fountains around the school biggrin
We have always been very careful with what we feed our kids.I was brought up on a diet that mostly consisted of chips and whatever and pop,and Im determind that my kids arent gonna grow up in that not doing bad so far,our eldest is nearly 6 and hasnt had fizzy pop yet,and the longer I can keep it that way the better.
At the end of the day it is down to the parents/carers to make sure that children get a healthy diet.
back to the 37p thing, an associate of mine who is a buyer for a catering company advised me last week that the prisons that they provide with meals get a budget of for their mid-day meals.
Makes me think that society's priorities are screwed up somehow.
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pre-shaped chicken faces

I suspect they're made from chicken faces too wink
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how about sending kids to school with a proper packed lunch with actual sandwiches, fruit etc in it

The programme showed kids who brought packed dinners, but they just threw away the good stuff and only ate the things they liked. I suspect many kids would rather go hungry than eat good stuff.
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Im my day (god do I sound old) we had water fountains in the school yard. Did they phaze them out then at some point? Shame!

Don't know about schools. but where I work we have water dispensers. However, they've had to post warning signs to telling people not to refill their water bottles because contact between the dispenser and bottle top is a "health hazard". I'm sure I got most of my disease resistance from the good old school water fountain lol
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In the school where I work, the dinners are always freshly prepared and the cook there gets the same as any other school does per capita.

Just out of interest does your school have local authority caterers or has the contract been passed out to a commercial catering company? I ask because one of the impressions I got (from the programme) is that a commercial company gets the same allocation, but they need to create a meal AND make a profit for their shareholders from the price.
FYI... I know someone who works in a school canteen (serving up the meals). All the staff there have recently been asked to sign a document saying they won't talk to the media about school meals :shock:
The school my kids go to has just changed its menu for the infants to a healthier one (no chips or processed food, fruit for pudding no custard etc..) but the juniors are still on the same stodge although the meals are all cooked in the one kitchen!! not sure whats going on there...
My kids are on packed lunches anyway so I know what they're eating and the school doesn't allow the kids to throw anything away, what's left has to be taken home.
Mine just both turned veggie within a couple of weeks of eachother!!!
I support them both but gosh it's a big change - obviously there is the same old processed muck that you can buy with a V on em, but I finding that I am never stopping cookin!
Cathy x
(And the little one can't keep off the loo poor mite!)
Haven't watched the programme but get the jist of it. I like Jamie Oliver and so what if he has millions? he's worked hard, got a decent business head on his shoulders and tbh is one of the most realistic chefs out there.
Back to school meals. I hated them and did have an eating disorder during my teens which never got picked up by my parents because they assumed as they were paying for school dinners, I was eating them redface
Our childrens school isn't the best at school dinners but each term we get a menu for the term and so we can see every day what our children are eating and therefore have the option to send a packed lunch. We pay snack money for them and the only choice is which fruit they can have in the morning and apples/carrot sticks/raisins in the afternoon for the youngest. Water fountains are available along the corridors, and each child is given a water bottle and they are refilled morning and lunch time by a nominated person, the children can then keep this bottle on their desk.
In the prospectus issued each year there is a section for parents sending packed lunches, detailing items the school feels should be in the box and discouraging the inclusion of sweet drinks, crisps, chocolate etc.
I can't cook very well at all but do know the value of meals, and my kids will eat nearly all fruit and veg put in front of them and I actively encourage healthy eating by only buying fruit veg and raisins for snacks. They have to be good and earn sweets and crisps, whereas fruit and veg for snacking they can help themselves too
This has only happened because I've put time and effort into teaching them the value of foods (being diabetic helps).
I annoys me no end that parents have sweets/crisps available freely and fruit/veg are seen as occasional foods. The times I've heard parents complaining about their kids behaviours when they do nothing at all to look at the cause.
sorry rant over ........
C x
petetion sighned i used to love school meals there was never a choice but i didn't care the food was gr8 and yes my taste buds are ok
/Slightly off topic self-indulgant rant
In our road we have a few parents who regularly buy their kids crisps and biscuits. I never did, couldn`t afford it even if I`d wanted to. My kids would have a proper breakfast, packed lunch (cheese sandwich, packet of crisps, fruit/yoghurt, and squash, not the healthiest packed lunch, but hardly a hanging offense!). In the summer the neighbours would often let their kids snack on the crisps and biscuits and allow whichever kids they were playing with have some too. I didn`t mind, I was happy enough with my kids diet, and they were not fat and unhealthy. However, my kids realised they were on to a good thing, because they had access to treats I don`t keep in the house so started to lurk in the hope they`d get some `goodies` rolleyes. Result? I was reported to the social services for not feeding my kids properly. This coincided with the fact that I`d mentioned to someone that I was able to feed the family on 30 quid a week. After this was seen as me skimping on their diet, I started to show off my receipt to proove them wrong. Sad but true.
Feeding the family on 30 quid a week was NOT easy, but at the time it was a necessary evil. We stuck to Tescos value porridge in the morning (2 x 49p for the week) sausage casseroles, pasta bakes, pizza with salad, beans on toast, etc etc. I always made sure they had at least one piece of fruit a day, and they always had cooked veg or salad with a meal. All but one member of the family are also big milk drinkers. Every Sunday we had our roast, and a full english brekkie in the morning. My trolly was always filled with blue and white stripes, but we have always been a strictly three meals a day family, with little else needed in between.
These days I`d find it pretty difficult to do it on 30 quid a week, but I can do it on the cheap, although sometimes I do do the odd week of the Iceland meal deal crap, sometimes I just need a cheap and easy week. It doesn`t kill anyone because we don`t make a habit of it.
Oh, and the social worker? She had no problem with us. She visited when all the kids were off of school with a bad cold, and found them lined up on the sofa, under a duvet, eating a cooked breakfast. They looked far from starved. She was pissed that she`d even been called.
I do find fruit horribly expensive at times, so the kids are restricted to having it in their lunch, they can`t come home and help themselves to the (non-existant) fruitbowl, but salad is cheap. If I buy chicken burgers and chips, I have no problem with that. I do like to make it a proper chicken burger with salad inside, or sometimes I serve baked beans with them undressed, last I heard baked beans are actually pretty healthy. If they get hungry before mealtimes they are told to make toast, although the girls like to nuke a spud and have a jacket potato.
I`ve done the whole chopped cheese and grated carrot thing with raisins, time consuming and annoying, and has proven to be unnecessary in our house. My kids are pretty much being fed as my mum fed me.
So in general, I`m not anti-junk food, just anti too much junk food. There should be a balance, and there are areas I will not compromise on. My kids are not allowed to leave the house without breakfast inside them, I think that staves off much of the urge to snack on crap.
Ok, I`m `s a rant in there somewhere, you just have to look for it wink
Venusxxx
Absolutely brilliant idea kinky, have watched the programme from the start adn am addicted to it, as are the kids.
t did shock me when I found out what actually went into school dinners, my kids were always telling me how crap they were and now I see for myself.
My kids now take there money in and they get a sandwich made up to order, and normally something very health, which I feel is a much better idea
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I also think it is up to the parents to control their kids' eating habits, not the schools, necessarily. What you feed your children at home accounts for much more, and these habits will stay with them for life.
It enfuriates me that people who live on crap and laugh at the contents of a healthy fridge can criticise school dinners. mad :x

Well said. :!: :!:
Anyone involved with education, in any aspect, will know that if the parents can be educated half the problems would be solved.....healthy eating starts at home as does manners, good language and the environment.
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I also think it is up to the parents to control their kids' eating habits, not the schools, necessarily. What you feed your children at home accounts for much more, and these habits will stay with them for life.
It enfuriates me that people who live on crap and laugh at the contents of a healthy fridge can criticise school dinners. mad :x

Well said. :!: :!:
Anyone involved with education, in any aspect, will know that if the parents can be educated half the problems would be solved.....healthy eating starts at home as does manners, good language and the environment.
Teachers have been saying that for years - finally someone agrees!
Thank you
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I also think it is up to the parents to control their kids' eating habits, not the schools, necessarily. What you feed your children at home accounts for much more, and these habits will stay with them for life.
It enfuriates me that people who live on crap and laugh at the contents of a healthy fridge can criticise school dinners. mad :x

Well said. :!: :!:
Anyone involved with education, in any aspect, will know that if the parents can be educated half the problems would be solved.....healthy eating starts at home as does manners, good language and the environment.
Teachers have been saying that for years - finally someone agrees!
Thank you
Shame nobody listens though :!: :x
tony blair has at last backed this
just read this
Writing in the Observer, the prime minister acknowledged the parental anger expressed over the diets on offer at many schools.
He promised to set up a School Food Trust to build on the work begun by the celebrity chef in his Channel 4 series, Jamie's School Dinners.
Mr Blair said that the new trust will "draw on the remarkable work of Jamie Oliver in schools, of the Soil Association in encouraging the use of organic and local produce in school meals, and on the best advice on nutrition and eliminating processed foods".
He added: "It may take a little time to change children's tastes, but it will be worth the effort if we can get them enjoying healthy and good quality food at school. We will also ask Ofsted to inspect the quality of school meals."