Just in the past few minutes I heard a commotion outside and looked out to see two children of nine or ten yrs old stealing some things from next door's backyard. I went out and one ran away but the other glared at me. I said something like, "That's not yours is it?" The kid didn't move - just curled his lip at me and when I made to go to him he ran away and shouted, "Fuck Off, you old bitch".
Well, I protected my neighbours things but now these little bastards know me and where I live and I find myself frightened of ten year old kids.
What sort of generation have we allowed to grow up? I'm shaken.
Mollie
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I also think children can be very scary!! Some of them know more than me or so it seems the way they talk!!
I have a 10 year old daughter and she wouldnt dare even think about half the thing some weans get up to and hope it stays that way, Id rather see her a child for as long as shes meant to be!!
Sometimes I do blame the parents though if you look at the way some parents treat/talk to their kids its not surprising they grow up to be such horrible little bastards (pardon the expression but I do believe its true!) I do understand that some children do have problems which does make them behave this way at time etc as I was a little shithead around that age too but was never as bad as that!!
Makes you wonder what the next generation will really be like when they grow up?? Scary stuff!
I have a 10 year old daughter and she wouldnt dare even think about half the thing some weans get up to and hope it stays that way, Id rather see her a child for as long as shes meant to be!!
Sometimes I do blame the parents though if you look at the way some parents treat/talk to their kids its not surprising they grow up to be such horrible little bastards (pardon the expression but I do believe its true!) I do understand that some children do have problems which does make them behave this way at time etc as I was a little shithead around that age too but was never as bad as that!!
Makes you wonder what the next generation will really be like when they grow up?? Scary stuff!
Sex God
Every street needs its own Tony Martin
Orgasminator
Its a sign of the times.
All this is due to the law being the way it is. You can't even make an angry face at them. There'll be some lefty/psychologist saying your causing them some sort of emotional trauma. I think they don't have anything better to do so come up with all these new conditiuons/complexes etc.
It'll only get worse from now.
All this is due to the law being the way it is. You can't even make an angry face at them. There'll be some lefty/psychologist saying your causing them some sort of emotional trauma. I think they don't have anything better to do so come up with all these new conditiuons/complexes etc.
It'll only get worse from now.
All these things are so true. I'm still shaken. But if we all know these things, why don't we do something about it?
I see these pictures on television of bad behaviour in town centres and people blaming the availability of drink but what I see is "school playground" behaviour that is no longer confined to the school playground. If we allow a generation to grow up without knowing discipline, why on earth do we expect them to become responsbile adults at 18?
I don't know where it will all end. If these kids come back and lob bricks at my windows, how can I protect myself? I don't suppose they will come back - but what if they do?
Anyway, thanks for the sympathy,
Mollie
I see these pictures on television of bad behaviour in town centres and people blaming the availability of drink but what I see is "school playground" behaviour that is no longer confined to the school playground. If we allow a generation to grow up without knowing discipline, why on earth do we expect them to become responsbile adults at 18?
I don't know where it will all end. If these kids come back and lob bricks at my windows, how can I protect myself? I don't suppose they will come back - but what if they do?
Anyway, thanks for the sympathy,
Mollie
the way the LAW is if you even say boo to them you will be in the wrong these days. Thay probaly wont come back. Have you told your nabore so thay can secure there bit in the back? Even if you phone the police to report it nothing will be done except give you a crime no. for the insurance co. as thay have gone.
if thay do come back and you are in danger phone the police and thay should respond.
I have a mate how is a secondary school teacher,most teachers are angery,woread about the way childrens attituedes are these days, but there hands are tide.
philg
if thay do come back and you are in danger phone the police and thay should respond.
I have a mate how is a secondary school teacher,most teachers are angery,woread about the way childrens attituedes are these days, but there hands are tide.
philg
you cant worry in case they come back..cause you do yourseif in ,over it...hard i know but u got to forget....
you caught them nicking...so they wont come back....cause they be scared you will ring the old bill...and if they do....you ring the old bill....
they run as they was scared...he swore so he looks "HARD" in frount his mate
you done the best thing going towards them,u showed u wasnt scared,,,even if u was they didnt know that.......
i bet they wont come back...and if they do......you know who to ring......
you caught them nicking...so they wont come back....cause they be scared you will ring the old bill...and if they do....you ring the old bill....
they run as they was scared...he swore so he looks "HARD" in frount his mate
you done the best thing going towards them,u showed u wasnt scared,,,even if u was they didnt know that.......
i bet they wont come back...and if they do......you know who to ring......
Orgasminator
Quote by kinkyluton
i bet they wont come back...and if they do......you know who to ring......
Who- the ghostbusters?
The police are another bunch of useless scum. Ring them and you'd be lucky to get through to an answer machine. My friend got attacked in broad-daylight awhile ago. The police were rung and told that the culprits were still hanging around nearby. Did they rush to arrest them? NO. (what a suprise). They told him to jot down their car registration number and a description of what they looked like. Eventually the cops did turn up- the next day. Guess what? The car the lads were driving was nicked too so there was no way of tracing them.
Try talking any sense to the pigs and they threaten to nick YOU instead. Reason being you'd be a softer target than the real crooks. If they bothered tackling real crime instead of sitting in vans watching for motorists somethings may be different?
And don't get me started on judges. Those daft, pompous, idiots are another lot who are responsible. Its disgraceful that you need to refer to them as "your honour". What kind of honourable people allow criminals to be set free? Does anyone remember the case of the defendant got set free by the judge because he wrote some poetry?
Sickening isn't it?
Rant over... Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Sex God
Quote by maidinheaven
I went out and one ran away but the other glared at me.
Well, I protected my neighbors things but now these little bastards know me and where I live and I find myself frightened of ten year old kids.
What sort of generation have we allowed to grow up? I'm shaken.
Mollie
Well our neighbor watch some kids take me sons bike from the front door ,while I was out
when I went to knock on her door to see if had seen anything and she said "oh yes they crawled under your window to the door then took the bike and ran down the street "
when I asked why did she not shout at the kids she said "don't know " But if she had of shouted they would have drop the bike down and run off
But only a couple of weeks before that we stoped kids throning stones at her window she was over the moon with the help
so next time if she ever need`s help again she can go take a run and jump
Sex God
Having kids of my own, I see some kids get away with murder! The parents just are so wishy washy, it leave the kids with no discipline.
I can be too strict i think, but rather that than have egotistical, boishy kids. Ask Leprechaun about my kids, and maybe he will give you a more honest opinion! :shock:
I think i was too strict with my daughter, shes so quiet and shy now and i hope i didnt crush her spirit, but my son is very confident (yes my second child) but doesnt get away with murder, but i see it all through different eyes and im not so hot on whats right or wrong just on whats normal.
Either way, i hope i never see the day they act like criminals cos id lynch em!
I can be too strict i think, but rather that than have egotistical, boishy kids. Ask Leprechaun about my kids, and maybe he will give you a more honest opinion! :shock:
I think i was too strict with my daughter, shes so quiet and shy now and i hope i didnt crush her spirit, but my son is very confident (yes my second child) but doesnt get away with murder, but i see it all through different eyes and im not so hot on whats right or wrong just on whats normal.
Either way, i hope i never see the day they act like criminals cos id lynch em!
i work in quite a bad wee area
and the worst ones are the really younger ones say of about 13-16, we have our windows smashed and last week got my wing mirror broken off (wee shites). once they barged into the building and we called the police, two young wpc's came down both of them not much taller than 5'4" and the youngsters just shouted abuse at them, the police said they would move them on but just jumped into their cars and drove off.
the police have no respect from th youngsters nowadys and they know that they cant touch them, the parents dont seem to care that their kids are out all night drinking and taking drugs wandering about the streets.
the courts let them off with their charges time and time again, one guy who is a bit older,was up for 23 charges and got let off with them all. they all know going up to court is a breeze and couldnt care less about it.
when i was younger and the police caught you, you were lucky to get a slapping off them, you were unlucky if they took you home to your parents and you wouldnt be able to walk for a week.
and the worst ones are the really younger ones say of about 13-16, we have our windows smashed and last week got my wing mirror broken off (wee shites). once they barged into the building and we called the police, two young wpc's came down both of them not much taller than 5'4" and the youngsters just shouted abuse at them, the police said they would move them on but just jumped into their cars and drove off.
the police have no respect from th youngsters nowadys and they know that they cant touch them, the parents dont seem to care that their kids are out all night drinking and taking drugs wandering about the streets.
the courts let them off with their charges time and time again, one guy who is a bit older,was up for 23 charges and got let off with them all. they all know going up to court is a breeze and couldnt care less about it.
when i was younger and the police caught you, you were lucky to get a slapping off them, you were unlucky if they took you home to your parents and you wouldnt be able to walk for a week.
sorry to hear about the little darlings rouging things from your neighbours & the abuse
you suffered it seems to me the young kids of today have no respect for any one.
iam a 34 year old guy from the northeast i wasn't an angel in my youth i know
but i did have respect for older people
what's happened these days if some one tells a kid to go away & play around there own doors
all you get back is a mouth full of abuse or later your car tyres let down
in my view the manners of the kids of today have gone down hill the reason for this might be discipline at school & in the home
if i was cheeky as a kid my mum would knock me down a peg or two not with violence but with stern words :gagged:
at school we had the Cain,
the slipper :smackbottom: & the back of the teachers hand if we got out of hand. :jagsatwork:
well, it didn't do me any harm. :thumbup:
i know this might not be the view of everyone
but if you are in the same age group as me im sure you weren't a cheeky little shit that you wouldn't think twice to tell an elder to F**KOFF :censored:
in my opinion they should bring back the Cain, slipper :smackbottom: & let the little shits have something to respect.
you went to school to learn not just reading writing arithmetic. :small-print: (dont forget manners &respect )
i know some people will not agree with me but some might
this is my own opinion it might help with some of the young yobs (not all i know).
you suffered it seems to me the young kids of today have no respect for any one.
iam a 34 year old guy from the northeast i wasn't an angel in my youth i know
but i did have respect for older people
what's happened these days if some one tells a kid to go away & play around there own doors
all you get back is a mouth full of abuse or later your car tyres let down
in my view the manners of the kids of today have gone down hill the reason for this might be discipline at school & in the home
if i was cheeky as a kid my mum would knock me down a peg or two not with violence but with stern words :gagged:
at school we had the Cain,
the slipper :smackbottom: & the back of the teachers hand if we got out of hand. :jagsatwork: well, it didn't do me any harm. :thumbup:
i know this might not be the view of everyone
but if you are in the same age group as me im sure you weren't a cheeky little shit that you wouldn't think twice to tell an elder to F**KOFF :censored:
in my opinion they should bring back the Cain, slipper :smackbottom: & let the little shits have something to respect.
you went to school to learn not just reading writing arithmetic. :small-print: (dont forget manners &respect )
i know some people will not agree with me but some might
this is my own opinion it might help with some of the young yobs (not all i know).
Sex God
Sadly, kids will be kids. When I was young, I put my fathers motorcycle through his garage wall, planned to have a party and invited everyone from my high school to my parents house while they were vacationing in Florida. They caught wind of the event and made me go out with family on the night. Sadly, when I was brought home, the house had been broken in to and all our belongings had been stolen.
I started using drugs at 13 and was having sex and told my parents on several occasions what I thought of their fucking parenting skills. I stole from them to party, I blatantly had no respect for any adult and was out of control. By the time I was 14, I was mixed up with the wrong crowd and had been involved in over 20 break and enters.
Now, I'm 36. I have a great job, (I work with emotionally damaged children) I am in a wonderful nurturing relationship and have two fantastic children. I have a lovely home and am a fairly responsible member of the public.
So what makes me different from the little cherubs you saw tonight?
Easy...my parents.
They didn't give up. They sought professional help and used it ot the best of their abilities. They stuck to their beliefs and what they felt created the foundation of a decent person.
Don't blame the mouthy little buggers. Blame the irresponsible parents who give up or cant face the fact that they need some kind of assistance in raising their children.
Silky xx
I started using drugs at 13 and was having sex and told my parents on several occasions what I thought of their fucking parenting skills. I stole from them to party, I blatantly had no respect for any adult and was out of control. By the time I was 14, I was mixed up with the wrong crowd and had been involved in over 20 break and enters.
Now, I'm 36. I have a great job, (I work with emotionally damaged children) I am in a wonderful nurturing relationship and have two fantastic children. I have a lovely home and am a fairly responsible member of the public.
So what makes me different from the little cherubs you saw tonight?
Easy...my parents.
They didn't give up. They sought professional help and used it ot the best of their abilities. They stuck to their beliefs and what they felt created the foundation of a decent person.
Don't blame the mouthy little buggers. Blame the irresponsible parents who give up or cant face the fact that they need some kind of assistance in raising their children.
Silky xx
Sex God
Quote by Scandal
Sadly, kids will be kids. When I was young, I put my fathers motorcycle through his garage wall, planned to have a party and invited everyone from my high school to my parents house while they were vacationing in Florida. They caught wind of the event and made me go out with family on the night. Sadly, when I was brought home, the house had been broken in to and all our belongings had been stolen.
I started using drugs at 13 and was having sex and told my parents on several occasions what I thought of their fucking parenting skills. I stole from them to party, I blatantly had no respect for any adult and was out of control. By the time I was 14, I was mixed up with the wrong crowd and had been involved in over 20 break and enters.
Now, I'm 36. I have a great job, (I work with emotionally damaged children) I am in a wonderful nurturing relationship and have two fantastic children. I have a lovely home and am a fairly responsible member of the public.
So what makes me different from the little cherubs you saw tonight?
Easy...my parents.
They didn't give up. They sought professional help and used it ot the best of their abilities. They stuck to their beliefs and what they felt created the foundation of a decent person.
Don't blame the mouthy little buggers. Blame the irresponsible parents who give up or cant face the fact that they need some kind of assistance in raising their children.
Well luckily for you there wasn't anyone around to shoot you in the back.
I was lucky. I wont deny that. I was a shitas a teenager.
Silky
Sex God
Nah Scandal mate , actually that wasnt Silky that made the Tony Martin jibe , it was me . Ive spent time around some low places too , and come up through a tough paper round .
However no matter what dogs I lie down with and what fleas I wore when I got up I never made excuses for the life I lived . I may have done some bad stuff , but I did them because it was my choice , even if the choices were limited but I never did them because I was lazy or useless . I never preyed on the defenceless or perpetrated any low life scum crime that was the result of taking the lazy option rather than making any effort . If I ever had stooped low enough to burgle an old man for his few possesions I would have done it eyes open as I did everything in my life , and accepted the consequences .
What Silk was saying I believe is that her parents never gave up on her , as mine never did on me , for many parts of our lives we were more pain than pleasure to them but they remained available and ready for the time when they may be needed or called upon , and that is when they did their job . Many parents give up long long before that if indeed they ever tried at all . One of the big differences is that now it seems its easy to blame someone else for both your own and your kids actions .
Yeah i blame them , their names are squarely in the frame , if I dont blame them then who is next in line ? Parents cant be blamed for all their kids actions , mine certainly werent to blame for mine . But they can be blamed for giving up trying , after all if they didnt want the job , they shouldnt have taken the interview.
Its not a personal dig Scandal , but I sense some righteous anger from you , and a throw away line about your background that sounds a trifle dismissive . Like growing up in a tough neighbourhood means you know more about it than we do . Well just so's ya know we come from that road too , and we have to agree to disagree about Mr Martin .
If youre scared and threatened in your own safe place and someone gets hurt , then they should have known it was a possibility . They should know that burgulary isnt just risking a fine and a ticket to community service , they should know that if they come into a persons space and threaten what is theirs , and their security and peace of mind that they risk the worst of the worst .
Peace G
However no matter what dogs I lie down with and what fleas I wore when I got up I never made excuses for the life I lived . I may have done some bad stuff , but I did them because it was my choice , even if the choices were limited but I never did them because I was lazy or useless . I never preyed on the defenceless or perpetrated any low life scum crime that was the result of taking the lazy option rather than making any effort . If I ever had stooped low enough to burgle an old man for his few possesions I would have done it eyes open as I did everything in my life , and accepted the consequences .
What Silk was saying I believe is that her parents never gave up on her , as mine never did on me , for many parts of our lives we were more pain than pleasure to them but they remained available and ready for the time when they may be needed or called upon , and that is when they did their job . Many parents give up long long before that if indeed they ever tried at all . One of the big differences is that now it seems its easy to blame someone else for both your own and your kids actions .
Yeah i blame them , their names are squarely in the frame , if I dont blame them then who is next in line ? Parents cant be blamed for all their kids actions , mine certainly werent to blame for mine . But they can be blamed for giving up trying , after all if they didnt want the job , they shouldnt have taken the interview.
Its not a personal dig Scandal , but I sense some righteous anger from you , and a throw away line about your background that sounds a trifle dismissive . Like growing up in a tough neighbourhood means you know more about it than we do . Well just so's ya know we come from that road too , and we have to agree to disagree about Mr Martin .
If youre scared and threatened in your own safe place and someone gets hurt , then they should have known it was a possibility . They should know that burgulary isnt just risking a fine and a ticket to community service , they should know that if they come into a persons space and threaten what is theirs , and their security and peace of mind that they risk the worst of the worst .
Peace G
Well, I seem to have touched on the same nerve that I have. The thing that most troubled me after the event was the worry that these out-of-control children might retaliate and I knew that I was defenceless.
In the cold light of morning (very cold this morning) I know that they will probably not come back. I also know that they probably live near me and if I watch for them I can probably identify their parents and approach them.
But yesterday, I was frightened.
Mollie
In the cold light of morning (very cold this morning) I know that they will probably not come back. I also know that they probably live near me and if I watch for them I can probably identify their parents and approach them.
But yesterday, I was frightened.
Mollie
My own speculation regarding this matter is that it should start at home. Tony Blair tries to "improve our failing schools", they only fail cos some little twat plays up every lesson, thus keeping eveyone else from learning. I think he should put that money into supporting parents
Also, these NSPCC campaigns, dont get me wrong, i dont condone the abuse of children, or adults in any way ahape or form, but sometimes kids need to be brought back down to earth with a swift kick up the arse. At school, like you say, you threaten them, and they sue. I blame the Americans for making us into a blame culture (pardon the paradox)
Lets face it, give the parents back the power to discipline their kids, and the crime rate, education standards, and the standard of people in society would change. Bring back the cane. :smackbottom: :smackbottom: :smackbottom:
Also, these NSPCC campaigns, dont get me wrong, i dont condone the abuse of children, or adults in any way ahape or form, but sometimes kids need to be brought back down to earth with a swift kick up the arse. At school, like you say, you threaten them, and they sue. I blame the Americans for making us into a blame culture (pardon the paradox)
Lets face it, give the parents back the power to discipline their kids, and the crime rate, education standards, and the standard of people in society would change. Bring back the cane.
:smackbottom: :smackbottom: :smackbottom: I had so much trouble with my eldest at school, or rather lack of her being at school. The school was constantly on our backs, yet I made sure she went, and by their own admission they knew she would turn up, she just wouldn`t stay there. I was threatened with all kinds of action because they told me that even though she had turned up, if she didn`t attend lessons she would be marked as a truant, and we would be held responsible. I was kinda hoping that once she passed the school gates, if she was found to be wandering around the school and not in class, that they would take more action, but their action was to tell us. I`d ground her, withhold pocket money, talk to her, work with the teachers, and yes, on occassion I was tempted to give her short sharp slap across the face to shock her (never did though) we even changed her school after she was quite seriously beaten by four older girls in the school gym, but without actually being at school with her, there wasn`t much else I could do.
Eventually I quit work and home tutored her. It seemed to be the only option I had left. She knewshe could get away with loads at school, but she wasn`t able to at home. We worked with all kinds of educational welfare types, but it didn`t help take the load off at all, and we were under terrific pressure.
We did the best we knew how at the time. My having to quit work threw us into tremendous debt, and late last year we almost lost our home as a result (there were other factors too). I`m only grateful that we don`t live in a more urban area, else her truanting may have brought her into contact with much more serious environments. As it was she came close, but we never had the law on our doorstep. I don`t think that was down to good parenting, she just didn`t have access to that kind of environment whilst I was working, and she was supposed to be at school.
I have seen many parents who don`t give a shit, and in some cases encourage their children`s hard arse street-wise attitude, but by the same token, I can also see how kids of parents who have the best intentions can also become out of hand. I was one of the latter parents, but I don`t believe I am a bad parent.
Have to say though, she never bad-mouthed her elders, she chose to play headgames with them instead, she constantly adopted strange behaviours in order to test her teachers.....they used to bloody fall for it too When I didn`t, they assumed I didn`t care about her worrisome mental state.
Bloody goths :lol2:
Venusxxx
Eventually I quit work and home tutored her. It seemed to be the only option I had left. She knewshe could get away with loads at school, but she wasn`t able to at home. We worked with all kinds of educational welfare types, but it didn`t help take the load off at all, and we were under terrific pressure.
We did the best we knew how at the time. My having to quit work threw us into tremendous debt, and late last year we almost lost our home as a result (there were other factors too). I`m only grateful that we don`t live in a more urban area, else her truanting may have brought her into contact with much more serious environments. As it was she came close, but we never had the law on our doorstep. I don`t think that was down to good parenting, she just didn`t have access to that kind of environment whilst I was working, and she was supposed to be at school.
I have seen many parents who don`t give a shit, and in some cases encourage their children`s hard arse street-wise attitude, but by the same token, I can also see how kids of parents who have the best intentions can also become out of hand. I was one of the latter parents, but I don`t believe I am a bad parent.
Have to say though, she never bad-mouthed her elders, she chose to play headgames with them instead, she constantly adopted strange behaviours in order to test her teachers.....they used to bloody fall for it too
When I didn`t, they assumed I didn`t care about her worrisome mental state. Bloody goths :lol2:
Venusxxx
Wow, this really is a touchy subject, which i think is indicative of our society today.
I know that when I was a kid, in the East End, most of the people that I grew up with were, by the age of 20 or so, either on smack, in prison or in a couple of tragic cases, dead.
With the advent of Friends reunited I found that people definitley can change once they grow up. A few of those people who I decided were no-hopers were on there and all seem to have turned their circumstnaces around and are now productive and active members in our society, despite the poor education and in most cases bad parenting.
I believe that there is hope for all children, no matter how bad they are.
Unfortunatley, a lot has changed even in the last 15 or 20 years.
With the luxuries that kids have nowdays, the fact that parents are not allowed to smack children, the fact that children can sue parents and even more desperatley the ever growing stories of people ready to abuse their children both physically and mentally (perhaps this always went on but is reported more now?) are all worrying trends.
My little boy is 2 now and I am positive that he will have a good education, good discipline and even better manners, but how can I be sure?
I know that I and my ex will do everything that we can, but will it be enough.
Along with the social reforms mentioned above, there is also the fact that you can now see things like "ultimate fighting championship", people being beheaded live on TV or on the internet, images of torture and misfortune being branded about as "cool to watch" and now even videos of real life accidents and murders being swapped in school playgrounds (and I thought the copy of animal farm I watched when I was 16 was bad!!).
All of these things serve to de-humanize violence and will give us a generation of adults who think seeing someone stabbed in the head is the norm (they have seen it all before).
I know that we can all protect our children to some extent, but my Mum would never allow me to watch a porno at 15, I managed to on several occasions. She would never have allowed me to smoke a joint, but I did on too many occasions, she would never allow me to have sex so young, but I did. All of those things can only be regulated by the peers of our children and how do we know that our kids friends parents are of the same mind as us?
The simple answer is that we dont.
Recently my Uncle was working under a car, fixing the exhaust when the car suddenly started coming down on him. He slid out just in time to see a boy of no more than 9 who had been lowering the jack onto him. he chased after the kid, caught him and explained to him what would have happened if he had managed to lower the jack the whole way before telling him that he would talk to his parents about his bad behaviour.
That afternoon the kids Dad turns up at my Uncles house with an axe, ready to use it on my Uncle because he had berated his Son.
How do you legislate for parents like this? You can't. All you can do is defend yourself the best that you can, try to explain to kids who they are hurting, and why, when they go off the rails. Then just hope for the best.
Apart from locking your own children in their room all day, they will be exposed to the same peer pressure that we all were, but the difference that I can see is that there are more people who do not give a shit about what their kids do.
I really do feel for you madinheaven. I know how scary 5 or 6 kids can be these days, even if they are only 10 years old. Unfortunatley, there is nothing that can be done, apart from asking your local police force to enforce the curfew order and making sure that you keep your eyes open. Always have your mobile to hand, always have the local police station number programmed in and if all else fails, defend yourself against them as you would a grown person. Nobody deserves to be hurt just because the asailants are kids.
Sorry about the rant folks, it is just a subject close to my heart.
I know that when I was a kid, in the East End, most of the people that I grew up with were, by the age of 20 or so, either on smack, in prison or in a couple of tragic cases, dead.
With the advent of Friends reunited I found that people definitley can change once they grow up. A few of those people who I decided were no-hopers were on there and all seem to have turned their circumstnaces around and are now productive and active members in our society, despite the poor education and in most cases bad parenting.
I believe that there is hope for all children, no matter how bad they are.
Unfortunatley, a lot has changed even in the last 15 or 20 years.
With the luxuries that kids have nowdays, the fact that parents are not allowed to smack children, the fact that children can sue parents and even more desperatley the ever growing stories of people ready to abuse their children both physically and mentally (perhaps this always went on but is reported more now?) are all worrying trends.
My little boy is 2 now and I am positive that he will have a good education, good discipline and even better manners, but how can I be sure?
I know that I and my ex will do everything that we can, but will it be enough.
Along with the social reforms mentioned above, there is also the fact that you can now see things like "ultimate fighting championship", people being beheaded live on TV or on the internet, images of torture and misfortune being branded about as "cool to watch" and now even videos of real life accidents and murders being swapped in school playgrounds (and I thought the copy of animal farm I watched when I was 16 was bad!!).
All of these things serve to de-humanize violence and will give us a generation of adults who think seeing someone stabbed in the head is the norm (they have seen it all before).
I know that we can all protect our children to some extent, but my Mum would never allow me to watch a porno at 15, I managed to on several occasions. She would never have allowed me to smoke a joint, but I did on too many occasions, she would never allow me to have sex so young, but I did. All of those things can only be regulated by the peers of our children and how do we know that our kids friends parents are of the same mind as us?
The simple answer is that we dont.
Recently my Uncle was working under a car, fixing the exhaust when the car suddenly started coming down on him. He slid out just in time to see a boy of no more than 9 who had been lowering the jack onto him. he chased after the kid, caught him and explained to him what would have happened if he had managed to lower the jack the whole way before telling him that he would talk to his parents about his bad behaviour.
That afternoon the kids Dad turns up at my Uncles house with an axe, ready to use it on my Uncle because he had berated his Son.
How do you legislate for parents like this? You can't. All you can do is defend yourself the best that you can, try to explain to kids who they are hurting, and why, when they go off the rails. Then just hope for the best.
Apart from locking your own children in their room all day, they will be exposed to the same peer pressure that we all were, but the difference that I can see is that there are more people who do not give a shit about what their kids do.
I really do feel for you madinheaven. I know how scary 5 or 6 kids can be these days, even if they are only 10 years old. Unfortunatley, there is nothing that can be done, apart from asking your local police force to enforce the curfew order and making sure that you keep your eyes open. Always have your mobile to hand, always have the local police station number programmed in and if all else fails, defend yourself against them as you would a grown person. Nobody deserves to be hurt just because the asailants are kids.
Sorry about the rant folks, it is just a subject close to my heart.
Sex God
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Its not a personal dig Scandal , but I sense some righteous anger from you , and a throw away line about your background that sounds a trifle dismissive . Like growing up in a tough neighbourhood means you know more about it than we do
Nothing could be further from the truth, self righteous? No way.
Sorry it came across that way.
I just meant I know what kids get up to, in all parts of the country.
I'm all in favour of people being held responsible for their actions, especially when the "law of the jungle" applies, but I like to think that people can be shown the error of their ways too.
Banging up juveniles and throwing away the key in barbaric conditions like Walton Jail will not make them behave in a more sociably responsible way when they are released, it just dehumanises them and makes them more excluded from society.
Punishment yes but reform too. What you've said about yourselves would appear to show that everyone can change if they want to and with help.
At the moment this country is in danger of creating the same kind of phobia about kids as it has done about non-white foriegners, it's the politicians and press we need protecting from.
Anyways G, peace to you too.
Thanks for the measured response mate , I think perhaps we were at cross purposes . I too believe chances are what everyone deserves , but I tend to react quickly to requests for leniency without any alternatives offered , in my experience chances are only acted on when an individual has consequences to face as well. Its a frustrating politically correct world for those of us who grew up with politics as an irrelevance to our everyday lives , and can illicit violent response when folk are constantly told their opinion is wrong by those who dont live in our world.
As I said it wasnt a personal attack , and I think both you and I made a couple of knee jerk remarks in our shorter initial posts . Suffice to say that I agree people can change and I wish everyone the wisdom to do that , as long as we dont expect the rest of the world to carry the burden in tacit silence while they make their minds up .
Peace to Both of us huh :-)
Orgasminator
Quote by Silk and Big G
Don't blame the mouthy little buggers. Blame the irresponsible parents who give up or cant face the fact that they need some kind of assistance in raising their children.
Silky xx
Sorry, I disagree here. I come from a family where my dad didn't really give a to55. He was never around when I was growing up. My mother was a very ill woman who needed looking after herself. I grew up in a very rough area where there was a very high crime rate etc. Most of my old friends from my teen years became teen fathers and have been inside too.
But I wouldn't say I've turned out too wrong. I do agree that parents need to take responsibility for their kids. But also kids need to take rersponsibility for themselves. If you went to places like Africa and , young children who are orphaned have to practically raise themselves. I think the system is too soft, disruptive kids need harsher punishment. They are like cancers- one in a crowd infects the whole bunch.
Sex God
Cant decide wether thats agreement or disagreement . Maybe its me .
Orgasminator
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Bring back the cane.
I agree that the cane should be brought back, but only for parents to use at home. I don't think we should give teachers the right to hit children. Especially in front of the class as it will a form of humiliation that will cause resentment.
And then there will always be the odd teacher who will enjoy the act of caning a kid in school uniform abit too much (if you guys see what I'm saying). :shock:
Sex God
So to sum up . It isnt parents responsibility to control their kids , unless it involves physical abuse . We shouldnt punish children in school for fear of causing them resentment but the "system" should be harsher in the way they punish them , oh and teachers are paedophiles.
Orgasminator
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Have to say though, she never bad-mouthed her elders, she chose to play headgames with them instead, she constantly adopted strange behaviours in order to test her teachers.....they used to bloody fall for it too
Bloody goths :lol2:
Venusxxx
She sounds like a clever girl. Do you think her being bullied may have been a problem? Kind of reminds me of someone. Wasn't a bad kid, just in a difficult situation which caused them to react badly.
Orgasminator
Quote by BigDanny12999
Recently my Uncle was working under a car, fixing the exhaust when the car suddenly started coming down on him. He slid out just in time to see a boy of no more than 9 who had been lowering the jack onto him. he chased after the kid, caught him and explained to him what would have happened if he had managed to lower the jack the whole way before telling him that he would talk to his parents about his bad behaviour.
That afternoon the kids Dad turns up at my Uncles house with an axe, ready to use it on my Uncle because he had berated his Son.
How do you legislate for parents like this? You can't.
What a toss3r. No prizes for guessing why that little sh1t is the way it is. Its at times like this I think a licence to have children may not be such a bad idea. Some scum just shouldn't be allowed to breed.
