Was just reading a thread this morning about moral v immoral and got me thinking - hope this isn't too heavy for a monday morning and hope it makes sense...
.....do you think morals are defined by society or by religion - personally think that originally our morals were put in place by religion many years ago and therefore as swinging is probably very much against the morals of the church this would suggest that swingers are moral less....is this a valid point or a bit random? - lol
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lack of morals..
Sex God
I think that morals are firstly defined by your upbringing (right and wrong) and the social aspect within your own home. From there you can discover the religous side and adapt to what you perceive.
When the hormones start and you begin to discover yourself thats when you start to develop your own if by through experience, knowledge or just trying it out with experimentation.
In short, I think morals help you understand yourself at that moment in your life but as you change so do they.
Right I need a drink after that. Now look what you've done.
When the hormones start and you begin to discover yourself thats when you start to develop your own if by through experience, knowledge or just trying it out with experimentation.
In short, I think morals help you understand yourself at that moment in your life but as you change so do they.
Right I need a drink after that. Now look what you've done.
One aspect of morality is the subject of joining SH i have found that this swinging community has strong moral views on cheating, as in don't do it. This to an outsider may seem hard to understand but to many forumers honesty, communiction, and trust are the bedrock of a secure relationship.
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One aspect of morality is the subject of joining SH i have found that this swinging community has strong moral views on cheating, as in don't do it. This to an outsider may seem hard to understand but to many forumers honesty, communiction, and trust are the bedrock of a secure relationship.
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Your wrong to say the swinging community has strong moral views on cheating! Its more like certain individuals not everybody in the swinging community have strong moral views on cheating.
Mr filth i totally agree with u ....that as long as no one is hurt then i dont see any problem in doing things....whatever they maybe...but i know i have certain morals.....my main concern in life is my daughter....morally speaking if anything is going to effect her in the future because of something i do then i just dont do it...and if i play with someone with children then i like to know cercen things...god i just hope that makes sense 
My theory is that morals probably originated as pure common sense to protect the community at large (don't impregnate your sister, for example, would be a good moral to stick to) but they then become refined, expanded and ever more detailed and become hijacked by people (religious, political, power mad) for their own ends.
They then are used by those people to control other individuals and populations by a combination of denying knowledge and gradually occupying the “moral high ground†to the exclusion of every other moral or belief system (i.e. “we are right and you must therefore be wrong, so we can cast you out / torture you / kill you / make war on you / take your territory, etc, )
There are so many examples of this in the world right now.
One of my favourite quotes goes something like this:
“Let me keep company with those who are searching for answers but save me from those who have found
(If anyone can give me the exact quote and its origin I’d be grateful).
They then are used by those people to control other individuals and populations by a combination of denying knowledge and gradually occupying the “moral high ground†to the exclusion of every other moral or belief system (i.e. “we are right and you must therefore be wrong, so we can cast you out / torture you / kill you / make war on you / take your territory, etc, )
There are so many examples of this in the world right now.
One of my favourite quotes goes something like this:
“Let me keep company with those who are searching for answers but save me from those who have found
(If anyone can give me the exact quote and its origin I’d be grateful).
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I think that morals are firstly defined by your upbringing (right and wrong) and the social aspect within your own home. From there you can discover the religous side and adapt to what you perceive.
When the hormones start and you begin to discover yourself thats when you start to develop your own if by through experience, knowledge or just trying it out with experimentation.
In short, I think morals help you understand yourself at that moment in your life but as you change so do they.
Right I need a drink after that. Now look what you've done.
U know i really agree to all of this as well as mr filth....my morals have changed recently and so have my beliefs....my up bringing has helped to be more open minded for that i thank my parents but for other things i think they were mad...but then my mum knows about my swinging life so she has not thrown her beliefs or morals at me she just said be careful u dont hurt others and be safe but if it makes you happy then she doesnt see a problem about it.....and yes i am open with her only because i have really just started to get to know my mum....i know my dads veiws are dont hurt anyone also and to be happy and safe cause i know he did it when he was younger and prob would now if me mum was up for it and it doesnt bother me one bit......
I except people for who they are and i know we all believe different things and have different views ......i will not my force my morals on anyone else as i wouldnt want theres forced on me either......
Well sort of what i wanted to say..lol hope u understand what point im trying to get accross..
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I think that morals are firstly defined by your upbringing (right and wrong) and the social aspect within your own home. From there you can discover the religous side and adapt to what you perceive.
When the hormones start and you begin to discover yourself thats when you start to develop your own if by through experience, knowledge or just trying it out with experimentation.
In short, I think morals help you understand yourself at that moment in your life but as you change so do they.
Right I need a drink after that. Now look what you've done.
U know i really agree to all of this as well as mr filth....my morals have changed recently and so have my beliefs....my up bringing has helped to be more open minded for that i thank my parents but for other things i think they were mad...but then my mum knows about my swinging life so she has not thrown her beliefs or morals at me she just said be careful u dont hurt others and be safe but if it makes you happy then she doesnt see a problem about it.....and yes i am open with her only because i have really just started to get to know my mum....i know my dads veiws are dont hurt anyone also and to be happy and safe cause i know he did it when he was younger and prob would now if me mum was up for it and it doesnt bother me one bit......
I except people for who they are and i know we all believe different things and have different views ......i will not my force my morals on anyone else as i wouldnt want theres forced on me either...... Well sort of what i wanted to say..lol hope u understand what point im trying to get accross..
Well said, I never push my morals or opinions on anybody its a pity other people dont always give the same courtesy !!!!!!
Well, it's not been long since I've been a practicing psychologist but, with all the literature that I've read on human behaviour, I'd say that morals (christian or not) is the direct result of our fear of our potential to surpass all forms of boundaries. Freedom will come when you are enabled to speak freely.
So i would say that our morals are changable to suit circumstances IMHO, the best test of morality is one's concern for the wellbeing of others. Living morally means living in a way that hurts nobody, but that rather brings happiness, kindness and love to as many as possible - oneself included. Loyalty, friendship, respect - those are my moral standards.
And by those standards, the people I've met so far through SH are some of the most moral people I know.
And by those standards, the people I've met so far through SH are some of the most moral people I know.
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IMHO, the best test of morality is one's concern for the wellbeing of others. Living morally means living in a way that hurts nobody, but that rather brings happiness, kindness and love to as many as possible - oneself included. Loyalty, friendship, respect - those are my moral standards.
And by those standards, the people I've met so far through SH are some of the most moral people I know.
I am in full agreement. Do no harm and being joy to the world.
Sex God
When power in Nation States lay with the Monarch and the Church, it was the Church that assumed the role of guardian of Morality.
Of course it made money from it whilst, in some instances, priests and nuns made whoopee together :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :grin: :grin:
The moral authority of the Church was a very powerful means of exerting control over populations. Education and scholarship rested entirely with the Church.
In many ways the Church had far more power than the Monarch and history is full of the struggles between them.
Just a few thoughts! :twisted:
Of course it made money from it whilst, in some instances, priests and nuns made whoopee together :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :grin: :grin:
The moral authority of the Church was a very powerful means of exerting control over populations. Education and scholarship rested entirely with the Church.
In many ways the Church had far more power than the Monarch and history is full of the struggles between them.
Just a few thoughts! :twisted:
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- personally think that originally our morals were put in place by religion many years ago and therefore as swinging is probably very much against the morals of the church
Here's a little thought experiment for you... Say on Mount Sinai, God had given out a commandment that read:
"Thou shalt not have sex with anyone you are not married to, unless you use an effective contraceptive that also acts as a barrier against sexually transmitted diseases."
As this commandment got passed down over the years (and remember we don't have the original text of any of the commandments) how likely is it that the "unless..." bit would have got retained? I mean, it would have been completely meaningless to anyone in the ancient world, so why would they bother to repeat a piece of apparent gobblydegook that would just bring the rest of the commandments into direpute. A bit like having a commandment saying "Thou shalt not kill, especially with a cruise missile launched from a distance of at least 100 miles." Not very sensible to your average Ancient Jew...
So, if God had handed down a commandment with the "unless ...." bit , we would almost certainly have ended up with one that simply said "Thou shalt not commit adultery". And so the fact that we've ended up with one that just says "Thou shalt not commit adultery" is no proof that the "unless clause" ever existed, so the commandments give us no evidence for God's opinions on swinging.
Anyone who trys to tell you that you should take the commandments as literally true is ignoring the fact that they have been filtered through a whole set of different cultures, and so will unavoidably have been tinkered with over the years. (I hate to tell you this, but God didn't write the originals in English...).
And the literalists are just being lazy. Anyone who believes in God has a duty to think for themselves, and try to understand the underlying messages, if you like the true "word of God" rather than just taking the easy way out and simplistically following the words of a whole series of human translators.
I'd be interested to see anyone's argument as to why swinging is incompatible with the moral beliefs taught by Jesus. Somehow I doubt there's any evidence for that...
M.
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My theory is that morals probably originated as pure common sense to protect the community at large (don't impregnate your sister, for example, would be a good moral to stick to) but they then become refined, expanded and ever more detailed and become hijacked by people (religious, political, power mad) for their own ends.
They then are used by those people to control other individuals and populations by a combination of denying knowledge and gradually occupying the “moral high ground†to the exclusion of every other moral or belief system (i.e. “we are right and you must therefore be wrong, so we can cast you out / torture you / kill you / make war on you / take your territory, etc, )
There are so many examples of this in the world right now.
One of my favourite quotes goes something like this:
“Let me keep company with those who are searching for answers but save me from those who have found
(If anyone can give me the exact quote and its origin I’d be grateful).
I have been thinking a lot about this recently and nothing to do with SH
But I totally agree with this sentiment.
If you talk to different people of different cultures, colours and creeds you find that in fact all forms of society teach much the same moral values of love thy neighbour and do unto other as you would have them do un to you etc.,
But we all seem hung up on the “I'm more righteous than you†thing.
So they bomb each other just to prove a point!
Morals are basically rules originating from common sense that were created before we had a court of law and a police force. They are simply about respect and knowing the difference between right and wrong and not hurting anyone else by what you choose to do. So there are flexibilities in your own morals allowing for some elbowroom so long as you don’t fuck up someone else’s day or bomb them.
So my view is simply
‘love thy neighbours wife if he says it’s ok to do so, and if not leave her the f**k
I’m really not sure if that makes much sense but I know what I mean.
It makes good sense, So long as she says it OK.
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morals morals morals....as long as no one gets hurt by your behaviour then what the hell !!!
I agree with you totally, morals are just invented in the mind of those with nothing better to do. There are some bloody obvious 'dos and don'ts' (sex with kids springs to mind here) but morality is an artificial construct and should have no place in the minds of anyone with any grip on reality.
By the way, in many ways society and religion are the same thing, as it has been the different societies that have invented the religions....usually to control the population in one way or another.
Sexlightened
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Well, it's not been long since I've been a practicing psychologist but, with all the literature that I've read on human behaviour, I'd say that morals (christian or not) is the direct result of our fear of our potential to surpass all forms of boundaries. Freedom will come when you are enabled to speak freely.
That would in theory be great........... but it wouldn't be as much fun
as being naughty and breaking what is the moral code of the country is what gives you a thrill! well it is for us The bible was re-written by the Romans somewhere around 3 or 400 AD, so they could more effectively control the masses. The Roman empire was losing strength by then and they knew if they fiddled with the holy docterines, it would benefit them.
That's why it's filled with inconsistancies, and contradicts itself.
There's no way it should be taken literally, except where it says to 'Love One Another.'
:lol: :lol: Which we do.
That's why it's filled with inconsistancies, and contradicts itself.
There's no way it should be taken literally, except where it says to 'Love One Another.'
:lol: :lol: Which we do. Quote by burnie
The bible was re-written by the Romans somewhere around 3 or 400 AD, so they could more effectively control the masses. The Roman empire was losing strength by then and they knew if they fiddled with the holy docterines, it would benefit them.
That's why it's filled with inconsistancies, and contradicts itself.
There's no way it should be taken literally, except where it says to 'Love One Another.'
blimey this is gettin all intellectual..i'll get me coat
There are alot of well meaning people in the church, but organised religion as a rule, is just a business. Look at the Vatican.
Charities are no better. Find me one big-name charity that isn't headed by some guy in London with a huge office building, lots of staff and a fancy car. It's a means for rich people and corportations to downsize their tax bills, while trying to appear noble.
In other words, don't look to religion and do-gooders to find morality. Look within yourself.
Charities are no better. Find me one big-name charity that isn't headed by some guy in London with a huge office building, lots of staff and a fancy car. It's a means for rich people and corportations to downsize their tax bills, while trying to appear noble.
In other words, don't look to religion and do-gooders to find morality. Look within yourself.
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There are alot of well meaning people in the church, but organised religion as a rule, is just a business. Look at the Vatican.
Charities are no better. Find me one big-name charity that isn't headed by some guy in London with a huge office building, lots of staff and a fancy car. It's a means for rich people and corportations to downsize their tax bills, while trying to appear noble.
In other words, don't look to religion and do-gooders to find morality. Look within yourself.
I see your point - but think the church has been around a lot longer than charity and tax.
