Not so many moons ago I happened to have been looking at sexuality and came across (not literally) some interesting articles in female sexuality. The nuts and bolts of the articles were that Females were in the position of being able to make a conscious decision to become lesbian whereas males were basically driven by genes/instinct and had no say in the matter.
Another (contentious Im sure ) point was that women could also decide....not to be Lesbians after all !!!!!!
I also know a woman who has actually gone through this process. How does the above fit in with the experiences of Lesbian (I hate that word BTW), Bi and also Straight fems?
Does any of it sound familiar?
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Well, I made a decision to turn lesbian but nothing happened!! :shock: 
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sounds rubbish to me, noone wakes up one day and thinks...ahhh i'm going to be a lesbian, its something thats inside you, i knew from a young age i was attracted to women and actually started having sex with other women b4 men, but i also didn't wake up one day and think......ahhhh i'm going to try a man today :lol2: having sex with men and women was something i knew i would do just the chance to bed a woman came b4 a man
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I have never made a conscious decision as such, I just realised a long time ago that I fancy both women and men...hellooo bisexuality ;)
As for the female you know, surely the 'process' she went through could be attributed to experimenting ?
Minx x x
Perhaps but she did have long periods in her life of straight, lesbian...then straight mother. now in her late 50's
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sounds rubbish to me, noone wakes up one day and thinks...ahhh i'm going to be a lesbian, its something thats inside you, i knew from a young age i was attracted to women and actually started having sex with other women b4 men, but i also didn't wake up one day and think......ahhhh i'm going to try a man today :lol2: having sex with men and women was something i knew i would do just the chance to bed a woman came b4 a man
dont think its a simple as waking up one day and acting on an impulsive thought.
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sounds rubbish to me, noone wakes up one day and thinks...ahhh i'm going to be a lesbian, its something thats inside you, i knew from a young age i was attracted to women and actually started having sex with other women b4 men, but i also didn't wake up one day and think......ahhhh i'm going to try a man today :lol2: having sex with men and women was something i knew i would do just the chance to bed a woman came b4 a man
dont think its a simple as waking up one day and acting on an impulsive thought.
course its not, u have to find someone for a start :lol2:
but its not something you chose to do, its a feeling of need you just chose if your going to act on the feeling or not, some women, and indeed men, go their whole lifes trying to ignor it, other are braver and act on it
Haven't posted for a while but here's what I reckon...
Anyone can sleep with anyone. Whether they fancy them or not they might evenenjoy it. Anyone can be in a relationship with anyone. A lot in common and good companianship can make it work. But you can't switch off your basic, gut attractions to people, whether in a relationship or not. You're not defined by the person you're with. Being attracted to males and females makes a lot of sense to me, but it doesn't work for others and there's a reason for that. I don't know that reason cos the jury's still out but something tells me it can't be changed with a ocnscious decision...
Anyone can sleep with anyone. Whether they fancy them or not they might evenenjoy it. Anyone can be in a relationship with anyone. A lot in common and good companianship can make it work. But you can't switch off your basic, gut attractions to people, whether in a relationship or not. You're not defined by the person you're with. Being attracted to males and females makes a lot of sense to me, but it doesn't work for others and there's a reason for that. I don't know that reason cos the jury's still out but something tells me it can't be changed with a ocnscious decision...
Sex God
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Not so many moons ago I happened to have been looking at sexuality and came across (not literally) some interesting articles in female sexuality. The nuts and bolts of the articles were that Females were in the position of being able to make a conscious decision to become lesbian whereas males were basically driven by genes/instinct and had no say in the matter.
Another (contentious Im sure ) point was that women could also decide....not to be Lesbians after all !!!!!!
I also know a woman who has actually gone through this process. How does the above fit in with the experiences of Lesbian (I hate that word BTW), Bi and also Straight fems?
Does any of it sound familiar?
As someone who is required to read articles on sexuality professionally, I am obviously aware of the "are we born a certain sexuality or does society make us that way?" debate. However, I am not aware that men are driven by instinct and women get to choose. Sounds bollocks to me, but I would be interested in reading any articles that suggest this, so could you provide the references please? I would be quite happy to rip any such theory to shreads just for fun instead of getting paid to do it hehehehehehehehe
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: For me, opportunity is key. It's easier to act upon my attraction to men - with women it's so much more difficult (and not just because it is - still - less socially acceptable). Partly this is because I don't 'read' women so well...or at least I'm not as confident of acting on my instinct. So the part of my sexuality which is attracted to women goes largely unexplored...
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Not so many moons ago I happened to have been looking at sexuality and came across (not literally) some interesting articles in female sexuality. The nuts and bolts of the articles were that Females were in the position of being able to make a conscious decision to become lesbian whereas males were basically driven by genes/instinct and had no say in the matter.
Another (contentious Im sure ) point was that women could also decide....not to be Lesbians after all !!!!!!
I also know a woman who has actually gone through this process. How does the above fit in with the experiences of Lesbian (I hate that word BTW), Bi and also Straight fems?
Does any of it sound familiar?
As someone who is required to read articles on sexuality professionally, I am obviously aware of the "are we born a certain sexuality or does society make us that way?" debate. However, I am not aware that men are driven by instinct and women get to choose. Sounds bollocks to me, but I would be interested in reading any articles that suggest this, so could you provide the references please? I would be quite happy to rip any such theory to shreads just for fun instead of getting paid to do it hehehehehehehehe
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:"As someone who is required to read articles on sexuality professionally,..."
Are you sure? and yet you have ever come across the "...women get to choose." argument?
The articles I read were around some 4/5 years ago and no I dont have references but a simple google produced the very argument you are professionally unaware of.
"Also, there are lots of women who will say that they chose to be lesbians. This pokes a hole in the we-didn't-choose-this argument, so their comments are usually swept under the rug or explained away. "What she means is that she chose to live a lesbian lifestyle," someone quickly amends. People who say this are just confused, some argue, or maybe they're bisexual. "
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Not so many moons ago I happened to have been looking at sexuality and came across (not literally) some interesting articles in female sexuality. The nuts and bolts of the articles were that Females were in the position of being able to make a conscious decision to become lesbian whereas males were basically driven by genes/instinct and had no say in the matter.
Another (contentious Im sure ) point was that women could also decide....not to be Lesbians after all !!!!!!
I also know a woman who has actually gone through this process. How does the above fit in with the experiences of Lesbian (I hate that word BTW), Bi and also Straight fems?
Does any of it sound familiar?
As someone who is required to read articles on sexuality professionally, I am obviously aware of the "are we born a certain sexuality or does society make us that way?" debate. However, I am not aware that men are driven by instinct and women get to choose. Sounds bollocks to me, but I would be interested in reading any articles that suggest this, so could you provide the references please? I would be quite happy to rip any such theory to shreads just for fun instead of getting paid to do it hehehehehehehehe
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:"As someone who is required to read articles on sexuality professionally,..."
Are you sure? and yet you have ever come across the "...women get to choose." argument?
The articles I read were around some 4/5 years ago and no I dont have references but a simple google produced the very argument you are professionally unaware of.
"Also, there are lots of women who will say that they chose to be lesbians. This pokes a hole in the we-didn't-choose-this argument, so their comments are usually swept under the rug or explained away. "What she means is that she chose to live a lesbian lifestyle," someone quickly amends. People who say this are just confused, some argue, or maybe they're bisexual. "
I think you shot yourself in the foot there mate. The article is about one mans frustrations at having to explain to the world that his sexual orientation wasn't out of choice, that it was the way he was and couldn't change it. People can't change who they are, but they can ignore parts of themselves. Or for others they simply don't know until it happens.
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Not so many moons ago I happened to have been looking at sexuality and came across (not literally) some interesting articles in female sexuality. The nuts and bolts of the articles were that Females were in the position of being able to make a conscious decision to become lesbian whereas males were basically driven by genes/instinct and had no say in the matter.
Another (contentious Im sure ) point was that women could also decide....not to be Lesbians after all !!!!!!
I also know a woman who has actually gone through this process. How does the above fit in with the experiences of Lesbian (I hate that word BTW), Bi and also Straight fems?
Does any of it sound familiar?
As someone who is required to read articles on sexuality professionally, I am obviously aware of the "are we born a certain sexuality or does society make us that way?" debate. However, I am not aware that men are driven by instinct and women get to choose. Sounds bollocks to me, but I would be interested in reading any articles that suggest this, so could you provide the references please? I would be quite happy to rip any such theory to shreads just for fun instead of getting paid to do it hehehehehehehehe
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:"As someone who is required to read articles on sexuality professionally,..."
Are you sure? and yet you have ever come across the "...women get to choose." argument?
The articles I read were around some 4/5 years ago and no I dont have references but a simple google produced the very argument you are professionally unaware of.
"Also, there are lots of women who will say that they chose to be lesbians. This pokes a hole in the we-didn't-choose-this argument, so their comments are usually swept under the rug or explained away. "What she means is that she chose to live a lesbian lifestyle," someone quickly amends. People who say this are just confused, some argue, or maybe they're bisexual. "
I think you shot yourself in the foot there mate. The article is about one mans frustrations at having to explain to the world that his sexual orientation wasn't out of choice, that it was the way he was and couldn't change it. People can't change who they are, but they can ignore parts of themselves. Or for others they simply don't know until it happens.
I agree :thumbup:
Quote by bigDewi69
Not so many moons ago I happened to have been looking at sexuality and came across (not literally) some interesting articles in female sexuality. The nuts and bolts of the articles were that Females were in the position of being able to make a conscious decision to become lesbian whereas males were basically driven by genes/instinct and had no say in the matter.
Another (contentious Im sure ) point was that women could also decide....not to be Lesbians after all !!!!!!
I also know a woman who has actually gone through this process. How does the above fit in with the experiences of Lesbian (I hate that word BTW), Bi and also Straight fems?
Does any of it sound familiar?
As someone who is required to read articles on sexuality professionally, I am obviously aware of the "are we born a certain sexuality or does society make us that way?" debate. However, I am not aware that men are driven by instinct and women get to choose. Sounds bollocks to me, but I would be interested in reading any articles that suggest this, so could you provide the references please? I would be quite happy to rip any such theory to shreads just for fun instead of getting paid to do it hehehehehehehehe
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:"As someone who is required to read articles on sexuality professionally,..."
Are you sure? and yet you have ever come across the "...women get to choose." argument?
The articles I read were around some 4/5 years ago and no I dont have references but a simple google produced the very argument you are professionally unaware of.
"Also, there are lots of women who will say that they chose to be lesbians. This pokes a hole in the we-didn't-choose-this argument, so their comments are usually swept under the rug or explained away. "What she means is that she chose to live a lesbian lifestyle," someone quickly amends. People who say this are just confused, some argue, or maybe they're bisexual. "
I think you shot yourself in the foot there mate. The article is about one mans frustrations at having to explain to the world that his sexual orientation wasn't out of choice, that it was the way he was and couldn't change it. People can't change who they are, but they can ignore parts of themselves. Or for others they simply don't know until it happens.
Didnt shoot myself in the foot at all BigD, the person who was writing the article even admitted there was a 'women who choose' argument.
i think this argument is a load of crap myself, sorry but say it as it is thats me, of course lesbians choose to be lesbian and gay men choose to be gay, but lesbians do not choose to have sexual feeling towards other women, as i have said b4 its the feeling you choose to act on, you not not choose to be attracted to people of the same sex that comes from within, the only choice is wther you choose to act on these feeling and live the life you really want ot to ignor them get married and live a lie.
I also get really confused when people say that bisexuals can choose to be straight or gay. Bollocks. They can choose to be with exclusively men or women but they can't do anything about who they fall for and who turns them on. I am always really surprised that this is so misunderstood.
As for that article - that aint research. Websites are full of all sorts of views but I haven't seen any academic research of that women-can-choose-men-can't variety. Historically though, I guess women have famously chosen a lesbian life to make a stand against patriachy. Doesn't make'em actually gay though. Just highlights to me that sexuality can be manipulated on a superficial level.
As for that article - that aint research. Websites are full of all sorts of views but I haven't seen any academic research of that women-can-choose-men-can't variety. Historically though, I guess women have famously chosen a lesbian life to make a stand against patriachy. Doesn't make'em actually gay though. Just highlights to me that sexuality can be manipulated on a superficial level.
Sex God
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Are you sure? and yet you have ever come across the "...women get to choose." argument?
Yes, I'm sure
Obviously you are not in the same line of work as I am or you would know that using a non-academic website to support your argument would just be laughed out of the (professional) water :roll: :roll: :roll: See, as any first year undergrad would know, any old Tom, Dick or Harriet can set up a website and spout any old bollocks they want and state it as fact. As you cannot provide me with references from academic journals where every article has been rigourously reviewed by at least two experts in the field, I am not convinced that what you're saying hold any academic weight at all.
I'm not doubting that there are people out there who believe that men's sexuality is "born" and women's is "chosen", what I'm doubting is the scientific rigour of the hypothesis.
Everyone has their own opinion of how they developed their own sexuality. I was only very young when I realised that I was attracted to both sexes. When I found the words to define myself I knew that I was bisexual. I believe I was born that way, and I have no choice in who I am attracted to. However, I do have the choice as to whether or not to act on those desires, and it is through choice (or laziness) that my sexual behaviour usually involves men, not women (though I'm not saying no girls, if you want to cover yourselves in chocolate and throw yourselves at me --- please feel free :twisted: ).
There is literature published in academic journals that has assessed people's attitudes towards sexuality. This literature suggests that (heterosexual) people are more positive towards gay men and lesbians if they believe that homosexuality or bisexuality is "born" not "chosen". People tend to be more negative if they believe that a gay man or lesbian is choosing their lifestyle -- ie that they could be straight if they really made the effort
. People tend to be more negative towards bisexuals as they think that bisexuals can choose by the very definition that they are attracted to their opposite sex. I suspect that as people are generally more homophobic towards gay men than lesbians, that more men would say they have no choice in their sexuality than women cos they are implicitly aware of societies views that if they say they have chosen their lifestyle they will be considered to be a bad, dirty little bum boy :shock:
. It is easier for a woman to discuss her attraction to women, as female bisexuality and lesbianism is more acceptable in society and indeed in the swinging scene, therefore a woman may be more likely to admit it if she believes that she has chosen to shag women as well as, or instead of, men. This is conjecture on my part in the absense of any real scientific evidence for me to examine.If I do come across academic articles that have investigated this I would be interested to see whether they are qualitative pieces that just talk about how people view thei own sexuality, or whether they are proper science.
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Not so many moons ago I happened to have been looking at sexuality and came across (not literally) some interesting articles in female sexuality. The nuts and bolts of the articles were that Females were in the position of being able to make a conscious decision to become lesbian whereas males were basically driven by genes/instinct and had no say in the matter.
Another (contentious Im sure ) point was that women could also decide....not to be Lesbians after all !!!!!!
I also know a woman who has actually gone through this process. How does the above fit in with the experiences of Lesbian (I hate that word BTW), Bi and also Straight fems?
Does any of it sound familiar?
Not that i would profess to have read every article ever written on gender identity so someone may well offer to correct me.........but.........i am unaware of any scientifically researched article that purports a difference in the way male and female genes drive sexuality in the way you have implied in your question. There is however a great deal of research (and if you are interested i can point you in its direction) to suggest that the genetic make up of an individual can direct sexual orientation.
Of course people can choose to experiment sexually, just as they can choose to consciously supress their true gender or sexual orientation, but these scenarios are usually dependent upon the social climate of the time.
However, with the advent of advanced technological research both in brain scanning and genetics, scientists are discovering that there is usually a biological cause for a person to feel that they have been placed in the wrong sex body, or have a sexual orientatiion which doesn't fit the biblical 'norm'.
All embryos are female for a brief time.......i sometimes think it would be so much easier if they remained that way (or would that just make me a lesbian rather than bi
)Damn Blue beat me to it!!!!! :lol:
Sex God
The way I see it, you can choose your lifestyle but not your basic nature. (I am assuming that an individual's sexuality is part of that person's basic nature on the basis that as far as I'm aware, I do not have a choice in who I find sexually attractive. That assumption may not hold true for others, but I'm fairly certain it does for me.)
The choice I have then, is not in who and what I am, but in what I decide to do about it. If some people "choose" to be straight or gay or bi or whatever and they're comfortable with that choice, then I think they were probably born with a natural predisposition to it.
My conclusion: What I do is up to me... what I want to do is probably hard-wired.
The choice I have then, is not in who and what I am, but in what I decide to do about it. If some people "choose" to be straight or gay or bi or whatever and they're comfortable with that choice, then I think they were probably born with a natural predisposition to it.
My conclusion: What I do is up to me... what I want to do is probably hard-wired.
Sex God
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There is however a great deal of research (and if you are interested i can point you in its direction) to suggest that the genetic make up of an individual can direct sexual orientation.
Oooooooooooooh, let's talk biology
:lol: :lol: In the early 1990s, two biological studies of homosexuality drew wide media and scientific interest. First, Dr. Simon LeVey published research in the journal Science on differences in the hypothalami of homosexual and heterosexual men.... His conclusion was that the hypothalamus of gay men were more like that of women, and he reasoned that the part of the hypothalamus he measured was responsible for attraction to a certain sex. However, his paper was criticised heavily for its tiny sample size, the fact that he used the brains of dead people (obviously :shock: ) --- some of whom he just guessed were straight cos nothing in their medical notes suggested otherwise
. As far as I know, his results have not been replicated. Then, Prof. Dean Hamer released a study in which he correlated homosexuality with a genetic marker on the X chromosome. Again, this paper took a lot of flak though I've never actually been bothered to read the original
:roll: :roll: Animal studies have also been conducted in attempts to show that sexuality is biological. I have serious problems with such studies when researchers attempt to draw comparisons with human sexuality however, as studies on animals such as rats do not come close to touching on the complexities of human nature.
Even if there are differences in the biological make-up of gay verses straight people, it does not mean that individuals with a certain type of genetic or neurological make up will ever act on their impulses. Many people live a lie all their lives due to fear, social conditioning, or worse. Homosexuality was once punishable by death in the UK. (it still in in some countries). We may struggle with our sexual identities nowadays, and many of us still deny ourselves sexual freedom, but it is nothing compared to the struggles that some people have gone through in the past............... does anyone know what the pink triangle represents, for example?
I choose my lifetsyle cos I am allowed that freedom. I once wore a pink triangle ear-stud and a rainbow flag badge cos I was proud to be free. I now wear the SH pin for the same reason.
Long live sexual freedom and all that sail in her :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You need to worry about the "genetic pre-determination to homosexuality"
Believe it or not, there is a lot of research going into trying to find the "genetic fault" that causes some people to fancy their own sex...no doubt the "cure" will then be offered to prospective parents and some religious dodos' as well......it probably won't be cheap either....
Believe it or not, there is a lot of research going into trying to find the "genetic fault" that causes some people to fancy their own sex...no doubt the "cure" will then be offered to prospective parents and some religious dodos' as well......it probably won't be cheap either....
Fortunately they don't have to wait for people to be dead to investigate their brains anymore :lol: CAT scans and thermal imagary have also shown that the brains of homosexual men act (or react) to stimuli in a very similar way to that of women.......
I too am sceptical of a lot of the research and unfortunatly most of the research using CAT scans etc does tend to rely on rather small population sizes........mainly because of the cost involved........but as more psychologists study gender identity i personally think that the findings will be replicated across larger samples.
Really must come up to the village to one of your meets some day...we can sit and discuss sex and cognition, gender identity and sexual orientation all night (alternatively we could put some of it into practice )
:lol: CAT scans and thermal imagary have also shown that the brains of homosexual men act (or react) to stimuli in a very similar way to that of women.......I too am sceptical of a lot of the research and unfortunatly most of the research using CAT scans etc does tend to rely on rather small population sizes........mainly because of the cost involved........but as more psychologists study gender identity i personally think that the findings will be replicated across larger samples.
Really must come up to the village to one of your meets some day...we can sit and discuss sex and cognition, gender identity and sexual orientation all night (alternatively we could put some of it into practice
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Sex God
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There is however a great deal of research (and if you are interested i can point you in its direction) to suggest that the genetic make up of an individual can direct sexual orientation.
Oooooooooooooh, let's talk biology
:lol: :lol: In the early 1990s, two biological studies of homosexuality drew wide media and scientific interest. First, Dr. Simon LeVey published research in the journal Science on differences in the hypothalami of homosexual and heterosexual men.... His conclusion was that the hypothalamus of gay men were more like that of women, and he reasoned that the part of the hypothalamus he measured was responsible for attraction to a certain sex. However, his paper was criticised heavily for its tiny sample size, the fact that he used the brains of dead people (obviously :shock: ) --- some of whom he just guessed were straight cos nothing in their medical notes suggested otherwise
. As far as I know, his results have not been replicated. Then, Prof. Dean Hamer released a study in which he correlated homosexuality with a genetic marker on the X chromosome. Again, this paper took a lot of flak though I've never actually been bothered to read the original
:roll: :roll: Animal studies have also been conducted in attempts to show that sexuality is biological. I have serious problems with such studies when researchers attempt to draw comparisons with human sexuality however, as studies on animals such as rats do not come close to touching on the complexities of human nature.
Even if there are differences in the biological make-up of gay verses straight people, it does not mean that individuals with a certain type of genetic or neurological make up will ever act on their impulses. Many people live a lie all their lives due to fear, social conditioning, or worse. Homosexuality was once punishable by death in the UK. (it still in in some countries). We may struggle with our sexual identities nowadays, and many of us still deny ourselves sexual freedom, but it is nothing compared to the struggles that some people have gone through in the past............... does anyone know what the pink triangle represents, for example?
I choose my lifetsyle cos I am allowed that freedom. I once wore a pink triangle ear-stud and a rainbow flag badge cos I was proud to be free. I now wear the SH pin for the same reason.
Long live sexual freedom and all that sail in her :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I know, I know! It represents the markings that 'gay' prisoners in nazi concentration camps were made to wear, and which have since been reclaimed as a symbol of Pride by the LGBT community.
Hmmmm feel another rant on sexuality coming on, but I'll resist! IMHO, the idea that men are gay beacuse they just are but that woman can choose, is quite simply bollox!
The only choosing that LGBT people do with regards to their sexuality is wether to acknowledge it or not, whether to actually have physical relations with someone of the same gender and whether to tell others about their preferences. We do not choose whether to be 'lesbian, gay or bi' that is just simply who we are. I never chose my sexuality, it just was, I did however choose to acknowledge it and to enact upon it.
If I had never had sex with another woman, I would still be bi, if a gay man never has sex with a man, he is till gay and if a lesbian never has sex with another woman she is still a lesbian! Why, because sexuality is about and is determined by who we desire and attraction, not the physical manifestation of that attraction. So for example, a nun who has never had sex with anyone ever could still be a lesbian, because of who she desires / is attracted to.
As someone with years of experience of working with young people coming to terms with their sexuality and giving advice and guidance on coming out, I have never noticed any difference between the boys and the girls. The boys come in and say I'm gay/bi and we deal with it, and the girls come in and say I'm a lesbian/bi and we deal with it! They never come in say I may be lesbian/bi but its my choice to be, and I think I will be / won't be! That is quite simply ridiculous! People either are or there not, simple as that. The choice is whether to acknowledge it, do anything about it and whether we have the ability to even discover it, are we open to the discovery or do we absolutely suppress or feelings.
Blue/JucyLucy, can I join you in discussion / exploration, ....................just in case I'm not sure you understand, the experience will probably be so good I'll make up my mind once and for all whether I am or I'm not! :lol:
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Are you sure? and yet you have ever come across the "...women get to choose." argument?
Yes, I'm sure
Obviously you are not in the same line of work as I am or you would know that using a non-academic website to support your argument would just be laughed out of the (professional) water :roll: :roll: :roll: See, as any first year undergrad would know, any old Tom, Dick or Harriet can set up a website and spout any old bollocks they want and state it as fact. As you cannot provide me with references from academic journals where every article has been rigourously reviewed by at least two experts in the field, I am not convinced that what you're saying hold any academic weight at all.
I'm not doubting that there are people out there who believe that men's sexuality is "born" and women's is "chosen", what .I'm doubting is the scientific rigour of the hypothesis
Tell me something I dont know.
What I simply did was to highlight that the question IS asked and how easy it is to find people asking it, not difficult, not scientific but you doubted that it was ever asked at all, then backtracked and instead of admitting that, used the "...I'm doubting is the scientific rigour of the hypothesis". which would have been an appropriate course of action first time round.
And as for providing acedemice references...no I cant but then if you re read my initial post correctly, you will fnd I was asking about peoples experiences...you turned it into an acedemic exercise.
Maybe you saw a chance to flex your academic muscle?
I remembered this question arising years ago, I asked people on here who had been through the experience of discovering their sexual orientation. If it is bollox, fine, I really dont have a problem with that although I have to say the articles I read did imply many of the women had been through unsatisfactory and/or abusive heterosexual relationships before 'choosing' (appears that word causing a lot of bother).
Maybe we need a new forum for scientific debate? not sure the cafe is the right place for it, maybe each new thread could have references and a bibliography ?
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i note that many women have arse bandits, sorry gay men, as friends.
would they still feel the same way if they bore witness to the disgusting
things that they do to each other?
serious replies only-please.
This is a very serious reply. You are banned! Ha!
