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Quote by solofun
Swinging = Adultery with consent
Cheating = Adultery without consent

So your saying you have to be married to swing?
That’s very contradicting; do you actually know what adultery is?
Just as an example, two couples swing together, none are married, in your definition their committing adultery. WRONG
Second scenario: A married couple meet a married bi-fem, for fem-fem fun, very popular in swinging if you can find a (singlish) bi-fem that is, but again by your definition their committing adultery. WRONG
Married couples that fully consent to Swinging might be nonmonogamous, but they certainly are not committing adultery if both are consenting. It’s when one does it without the other partners knowledge it then becomes adultery. i.e cheating.
For it to be Adultery one partner would have to file for such.
Thats like saying that if a married man borrows £10 from his wifes purse while she’s out, and pops down the pub for a couple of pints, that IT’S THEFT, sorry its not its called sharing and consenting unless the wife decides otherwise and makes it such.
It’s already been summed up before but it just seems to go on and on, and as a few have said its by people who want to justify cheating. If your going to cheat, then do it, but don’t keep trying to justify it just to lessen your own guilt.
ps.
And if the poll is anything to go by then, Welcome to Cheating Heaven.
I think I understand what you are saying here. That adultery is the formal expression to describe the state where a married couple are in a legal dispute over their marriage. So in technical terms it serves a purpose.
But the point is that married couples who swing are seen by the majority; as people who are undermining the values of a society which is held together by the principles of monogamy. This is where it comes into dispute. And therefore they are seen in the same context as a couple who are genuinely setting about divorce.
After all, in both situations they promised to forsake all others regardless. Saying that they now consent is meaningless. It is a direct contradiction of the marriage vows. So the argument is illogical.
So their argument that swinging is not adultery; is worthless in the minds of the conventional thinker. Which makes applying it just as pointless to experienced swingers. So I tend to think of it as being redundant, and only likely to mislead the inexperienced.
Depends whats in theses vows you speak about? Adultery has many loopholes and the biggest being same sex partners, which can never be descrided as adultery. but back to the original statement "SWINGING = ADULTERY with consent" well its wrong, unless off course you can only be a swinger if your married???
Quote by solofun
Depends whats in theses vows you speak about? Adultery has many loopholes and the biggest being same sex partners, which can never be descrided as adultery. but back to the original statement SWINGING = ADULTERY well its wrong, unless off course you can only be a swinger if your married???

I'm intruiged as to why you believe this fact to be true :confused:
How about same sex couples who are married
If one of the couple "play away" then is it still not adultery dunno
Quote by X_fanny_x
The moral of this story is if your gonna do the dirty dont go bragging about it. Otherwise you might not like what you hear.

who's been bragging?
rotflmao Strangely enough that was the closest easyease got to being on topic. Even though jameswanna asked why people who play away are looked down on, the real purpose of the thread is to ask why there isn't a separate category for them. Hence if they stated it and were categorised they'd be 'bragging' about it.
So the real motive for the main question is one of laziness - from someone who can't be arsed to do their own searching for a class of person he finds attractive. Not particularly emotive really and I think he's already had the answer from Jags.
The rights and wrongs of cheating has been done at least 4 or 5 times before in my memory on SH and should be on another thread altogether.
Or am I being too simplistic? dunno
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Quote by Mallock2006
Depends whats in theses vows you speak about? Adultery has many loopholes and the biggest being same sex partners, which can never be descrided as adultery. but back to the original statement SWINGING = ADULTERY well its wrong, unless off course you can only be a swinger if your married???

I'm intruiged as to why you believe this fact to be true :confused:
How about same sex couples who are married
If one of the couple "play away" then is it still not adultery dunno
Fall into the category of Unreasonable Behaviour not Adultery.
Quote by solofun
Depends whats in theses vows you speak about? Adultery has many loopholes and the biggest being same sex partners, which can never be descrided as adultery. but back to the original statement SWINGING = ADULTERY well its wrong, unless off course you can only be a swinger if your married???

I'm intruiged as to why you believe this fact to be true :confused:
How about same sex couples who are married
If one of the couple "play away" then is it still not adultery dunno
Fall into the category of Unreasonable Behaviour not Adultery.
Rubbish...
Its still adultery regardless of the sex...
Quote by Mallock2006
Depends whats in theses vows you speak about? Adultery has many loopholes and the biggest being same sex partners, which can never be descrided as adultery. but back to the original statement SWINGING = ADULTERY well its wrong, unless off course you can only be a swinger if your married???

I'm intruiged as to why you believe this fact to be true :confused:
How about same sex couples who are married
If one of the couple "play away" then is it still not adultery dunno
Fall into the category of Unreasonable Behaviour not Adultery.
Rubbish...
Its still adultery regardless of the sex...
You obviously don't know law then confused:
I'll even go as far as to say that adultery is something that happens between ONE party of a marriage and an outside partner of the opposite sex.
So in theory both partners swinging with another married couple IS NOT ADULTERY at best it's unreasonable behaviour and i'll stick by it vigourisly. not because i think i know better than anyone else but just because i know its the case.
Quote by solofun
You obviously don't know law then confused:
I'll even go as far as to say that adultery is something that happens between ONE party of a marriage and an outside partner of the opposite sex.
So in theory both partners swinging with another married couple IS NOT ADULTERY at best it's unreasonable behaviour and i'll stick by it vigourisly. not because i think i know better than anyone else but just because i know its the case.

I dont recall mentioning that it was lawfully this,that or the other dunno
Most of the laws in this land were written in the dark ages and need dragging into the 21st Century along with the attitudes of a lot of people...
Quote by solofun
So in theory both partners swinging with another married couple IS NOT ADULTERY at best it's unreasonable behaviour and i'll stick by it vigourisly. not because i think i know better than anyone else but just because i know its the case.


Sweetie .......... you are wrong ...... google it! kiss

Adultery is sexual relations outside of marriage, in one form or another.
Doesn't matter if it is opposite sex or same sex!
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote by solofun
Depends whats in theses vows you speak about? Adultery has many loopholes and the biggest being same sex partners, which can never be descrided as adultery. but back to the original statement SWINGING = ADULTERY well its wrong, unless off course you can only be a swinger if your married???

I'm intruiged as to why you believe this fact to be true :confused:
How about same sex couples who are married
If one of the couple "play away" then is it still not adultery dunno
Fall into the category of Unreasonable Behaviour not Adultery.
Rubbish...
Its still adultery regardless of the sex...
You obviously don't know law then confused:
I'll even go as far as to say that adultery is something that happens between ONE party of a marriage and an outside partner of the opposite sex.
So in theory both partners swinging with another married couple IS NOT ADULTERY at best it's unreasonable behaviour and i'll stick by it vigourisly. not because i think i know better than anyone else but just because i know its the case.
So would it be fair to say that cheating is unreasonable behaviour until someone wants to take issue with it?
And how is unreasonable behaviour treated. As a branch of irresponsibility, recklessness?
Is it reasonable to take a behaviour and by applying arguments turn into something more sinister and perverse?
Quote by solofun
Depends whats in theses vows you speak about? Adultery has many loopholes and the biggest being same sex partners, which can never be descrided as adultery. but back to the original statement SWINGING = ADULTERY well its wrong, unless off course you can only be a swinger if your married???

I'm intruiged as to why you believe this fact to be true :confused:
How about same sex couples who are married
If one of the couple "play away" then is it still not adultery dunno
Fall into the category of Unreasonable Behaviour not Adultery.
Rubbish...
Its still adultery regardless of the sex...
You obviously don't know law then confused:
I'll even go as far as to say that adultery is something that happens between ONE party of a marriage and an outside partner of the opposite sex.
So in theory both partners swinging with another married couple IS NOT ADULTERY at best it's unreasonable behaviour and i'll stick by it vigourisly. not because i think i know better than anyone else but just because i know its the case.
shit, and there is my friend who is (was) in a civil partnership who is suing her partner for a dissolution on the grounds of adultery. Her solicitor must need to go back to law school. rolleyes
I googled this- and found the same link Solo did.
Now Splendid & Blonde have confused me (what a way to go!) and I really need to know now! :eek: Perhaps theres been a recent change in the law dunno
Solo Sweetie ........... take time to read it ........ what they are talking about is the grounds that you can use to apply for an INSTANT DIVORCE, without the long waiting time!
"instant" divorce where it applies whereas the other three grounds for divorce involve compulsory long delays. Naturally, adultery is only relevant as a ground for divorce where that has actually taken place. If there has been no adultery then the only other ground for "instant" divorce is unreasonable behaviour.

Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Does it matter, unless anyone's intending to get a divorce?
Quote by Freckledbird
Does it matter, unless anyone's intending to get a divorce?

I want a divorce and I want it before Christmas :smug:
Coz if he buys me another set of pans, a hoover or an iron for Christmas again this year............ HE will be dead by New Year! :giggle:
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote by Freckledbird
Does it matter, unless anyone's intending to get a divorce?

Course it matters!
Argue by lunchtime- Divorce by bedtime!
rotflmao
Yes, in my head it was!
Quote by blonde
Solo Sweetie ........... take time to read it ........ what they are talking about is the grounds that you can use to apply for an INSTANT DIVORCE, without the long waiting time!
"instant" divorce where it applies whereas the other three grounds for divorce involve compulsory long delays. Naturally, adultery is only relevant as a ground for divorce where that has actually taken place. If there has been no adultery then the only other ground for "instant" divorce is unreasonable behaviour.

Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I did read it biggrin
It was posted in reply to mallocks post not yours, you lot are just all to quick for me.
Quote by splendid_
shit, and there is my friend who is (was) in a civil partnership who is suing her partner for a dissolution on the grounds of adultery. Her solicitor must need to go back to law school. rolleyes

Seems a real life example is worth its weight in Gold..
Quote by Mallock2006

shit, and there is my friend who is (was) in a civil partnership who is suing her partner for a dissolution on the grounds of adultery. Her solicitor must need to go back to law school. rolleyes

Seems a real life example is worth its weight in Gold..
note the word suing before wallowing biggrin :D :D not that she mentioned they were same sex affairs anyway.
Quote by solofun

shit, and there is my friend who is (was) in a civil partnership who is suing her partner for a dissolution on the grounds of adultery. Her solicitor must need to go back to law school. rolleyes

Seems a real life example is worth its weight in Gold..
note the word suing before wallowing biggrin :D :D
Wallowing is for Whales and I dont really see as it makes any difference :roll:
suing is my word and not the legal term. It is an application.
It also applies to heterosexual marriage. In a heterosexual marriage having sex outside of the marriage is grounds for divorce the gender of the person is irrelevant.
The link you have attached is outdated check out the CAB website or the government websites on marriage for more recent information.
I would link them here for you but my 'yorkshires' are at a crucial stage.
Precisely my point...
She(I'm assuming your friend is a she sorry if I'm wrong) is persuing for a divorce on the grounds of adultery in a same sex relationship/partnership.
Quote by splendid_
suing is my word and not the legal term. It is an application.
It also applies to heterosexual marriage. In a heterosexual marriage having sex outside of the marriage is grounds for divorce the gender of the person is irrelevant.
The link you have attached is outdated check out the CAB website or the government websites on marriage for more recent information.
I would link them here for you but my 'yorkshires' are at a crucial stage.

Can't find any info on those sites, all the links still say "sexual intercourse with a person of the opposite sex" but nethertheless i hope they win there case biggrin
And if both are in a same sex civil partnership then this applies
What if the partnership doesn’t work out?
As with divorce an application to dissolve a partnership can only be made after a civil partnership has subsisted for a period of one year. The grounds for dissolution are similar to those available to married couples on divorce with the exception that adultery will not be a ground available to civil partners.
This is my personal view, and I am totally shocked at the comments I have read in this thread.
I have never in all my life read such total bunkum! Who gives any of us the right to judge anyone? How can anyone on here think that they are so high and mighty that they are able to judge anyone elses morals, or personal decisions. Ok, so swinging without my hubby, or behind my hubby's back is not something I would consider, but my circumstances are not the same as anyone elses, and I dont have the right to judge anyone who does. I do, however, have the right to choose if I want to swing with someone who is swinging without their partners consent/knowledge, and I would make that decision based on my personal knowledge of the person. HOWEVER, I WOULD NEVER CONDEME ANYONE FOR THEIR DECISION.
A number of people have chosen to open their hearts and say exactly what they feel, however, others are so quick to judge and condeme without even knowing the other persons personal circumstances. What a friendly, compassionate lot you are!
rolleyes
Now can we let this thread get back to its original topic and stop all the back bitting.
Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple
This is my personal view, and I am totally shocked at the comments I have read in this thread.
I have never in all my life read such total bunkum! Who gives any of us the right to judge anyone? How can anyone on here think that they are so high and mighty that they are able to judge anyone elses morals, or personal decisions. Ok, so swinging without my hubby, or behind my hubby's back is not something I would consider, but my circumstances are not the same as anyone elses, and I dont have the right to judge anyone who does. I do, however, have the right to choose if I want to swing with someone who is swinging without their partners consent/knowledge, and I would make that decision based on my personal knowledge of the person. HOWEVER, I WOULD NEVER CONDEME ANYONE FOR THEIR DECISION.
A number of people have chosen to open their hearts and say exactly what they feel, however, others are so quick to judge and condeme without even knowing the other persons personal circumstances. What a friendly, compassionate lot you are!
rolleyes
Well said NWC. :thumbup:
I'm never going to initiate contact with someone who is playing away- I know that for sure. However, there are people living through some pretty painful situations out there, and its not easy for them.
To those who see their points of view as mere "justification," then I sincerely hope you never have to see things from their side of the fence.
As the saying goes, don't judge someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes.
Now can we let this thread get back to its original topic and stop all the back bitting.
Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple
This is my personal view, and I am totally shocked at the comments I have read in this thread.
I have never in all my life read such total bunkum! Who gives any of us the right to judge anyone? How can anyone on here think that they are so high and mighty that they are able to judge anyone elses morals, or personal decisions. Ok, so swinging without my hubby, or behind my hubby's back is not something I would consider, but my circumstances are not the same as anyone elses, and I dont have the right to judge anyone who does. I do, however, have the right to choose if I want to swing with someone who is swinging without their partners consent/knowledge, and I would make that decision based on my personal knowledge of the person. HOWEVER, I WOULD NEVER CONDEME ANYONE FOR THEIR DECISION.
A number of people have chosen to open their hearts and say exactly what they feel, however, others are so quick to judge and condeme without even knowing the other persons personal circumstances. What a friendly, compassionate lot you are!
rolleyes
Now can we let this thread get back to its original topic and stop all the back bitting.

Well said NWC. :thumbup:
I'm never going to initiate contact with someone who is playing away- I know that for sure. However, there are people living through some pretty painful situations out there, and its not easy for them.
To those who see their points of view as mere "justification," then I sincerely hope you never have to see things from their side of the fence.
As the saying goes, don't judge someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes.
Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple
This is my personal view, and I am totally shocked at the comments I have read in this thread.
I have never in all my life read such total bunkum! Who gives any of us the right to judge anyone? How can anyone on here think that they are so high and mighty that they are able to judge anyone elses morals, or personal decisions. Ok, so swinging without my hubby, or behind my hubby's back is not something I would consider, but my circumstances are not the same as anyone elses, and I dont have the right to judge anyone who does. I do, however, have the right to choose if I want to swing with someone who is swinging without their partners consent/knowledge, and I would make that decision based on my personal knowledge of the person. HOWEVER, I WOULD NEVER CONDEME ANYONE FOR THEIR DECISION.
A number of people have chosen to open their hearts and say exactly what they feel, however, others are so quick to judge and condeme without even knowing the other persons personal circumstances. What a friendly, compassionate lot you are!
rolleyes
Now can we let this thread get back to its original topic and stop all the back bitting.

Yup! :thumbup: kiss
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Quote by solofun
Depends whats in theses vows you speak about? Adultery has many loopholes and the biggest being same sex partners, which can never be descrided as adultery. but back to the original statement "SWINGING = ADULTERY with consent" well its wrong, unless off course you can only be a swinger if your married???

You vow not to have sex with anyone else. There are no conditions.
Swingers negate that vow and this is where conventional couples don't like what they do.
It becomes a recognisable offence because it directly contradicts the legality of the marriage. That is the state of adultery, as the context and condtions necessary to set about a divorce.
But as you say only invokable if one of the couple decide to do so.
Its already cheating, which is simply the common expression for breaking your promise.
If its considered to be 'unreasonable', what could it be equivalent to? Or in a similar category?
Having also checked some interpretations for cheating, it would appear that there would need to be some conditions required to fulfill that also. The intent, the scheming etc to bring about a situation which has been derived for fraudulent means.
That would suggest more than a couple who set about having irresponsible sex.
Of course we all have our own interpretations of such conditions, but they are invariably thwarted under the sustained work of a courtroom.
Quote by duncanlondon
Depends whats in theses vows you speak about? Adultery has many loopholes and the biggest being same sex partners, which can never be descrided as adultery. but back to the original statement "SWINGING = ADULTERY with consent" well its wrong, unless off course you can only be a swinger if your married???

You vow not to have sex with anyone else. There are no conditions.
Swingers negate that vow and this is where conventional couples don't like what they do.
It becomes a recognisable offence because it directly contradicts the legality of the marriage. That is the state of adultery, as the context and condtions necessary to set about a divorce.
But as you say only invokable if one of the couple decide to do so.
Its already cheating, which is simply the common expression for breaking your promise.
If its considered to be 'unreasonable', what could it be equivalent to? Or in a similar category?
Having also checked some interpretations for cheating, it would appear that there would need to be some conditions required to fulfill that also. The intent, the scheming etc to bring about a situation which has been derived for fraudulent means.
That would suggest more than a couple who set about having irresponsible sex.
I'm not disagreeing with anyone’s opinions; I was only pointing out the UK divorce laws, which are anything but clear, and to add to that all are different from religion to religion as they are from country to country, you can choose your own vows nowadays with civil ceremonies, but even if we couldn’t how many people obey there partners? I’ve said before that cheating is cheating but our laws tend to say otherwise?