Hi all,
Does anyone know the new legislations on permitted maxium temperatures allowed at work.
If anyone can help we would be gratefull.
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Comfort standards were set out by Ole Fanger's thermal comfort model (Fanger 1970, ISO 7730 1994), which can be used to predict comfort conditions.
ASHRAE 55-1992 views thermal comfort as a zone (combinations of thermal variables in which 80% of people will not express discomfort.
ISO 7730 views thermal comfort as a specific combination of thermal conditions that will elicit the desired physiological state of comfortable (thermal comfort temperature). Also accepts the notion that 80% satisfaction is adequate.
Complying with ASHRAE 55 (1992) or ISO 7730 (1984) means:
Maintaining the operative temperature between 20°C to in winter and between and 26°C in summer.
Maintaining the relative humidity level between 30 to 60%
Optimum Operative Temperature (top) = (76°F)
Minimum clothes ( clo), top = (81°F)
An activity level of <= 1.2 met, clothing resistance of 1 clo in winter and 0.5 clo in summer and air velocity <= 0.2 m/s to prevent the sensation of draft (the three parameters and the associated values are typical of any office environment
ASHRAE 55-1992 views thermal comfort as a zone (combinations of thermal variables in which 80% of people will not express discomfort.
ISO 7730 views thermal comfort as a specific combination of thermal conditions that will elicit the desired physiological state of comfortable (thermal comfort temperature). Also accepts the notion that 80% satisfaction is adequate.
Complying with ASHRAE 55 (1992) or ISO 7730 (1984) means:
Maintaining the operative temperature between 20°C to in winter and between and 26°C in summer.
Maintaining the relative humidity level between 30 to 60%
Optimum Operative Temperature (top) = (76°F)
Minimum clothes ( clo), top = (81°F)
An activity level of <= 1.2 met, clothing resistance of 1 clo in winter and 0.5 clo in summer and air velocity <= 0.2 m/s to prevent the sensation of draft (the three parameters and the associated values are typical of any office environment
Sex God
At my work we're supposed to go home if the temp goes below 16C or over 24C (I think, something like that anyways... I haven't actually read my staff handbook, I've only had it since 1997 and never had time 
).... but I think it depends on the job and other factors. I think bonnieandclyde's link just about covers it.
).... but I think it depends on the job and other factors. I think bonnieandclyde's link just about covers it. 
Orgasminator
Thanks guy's,
Mrs shad has been working in temperatures between 33 and 35 for 8hrs a day and is not a happy bunny at all.
Thought i would get as much info on the matter as possible prior to her going into work in the morning.
Mrs shad has been working in temperatures between 33 and 35 for 8hrs a day and is not a happy bunny at all.
Thought i would get as much info on the matter as possible prior to her going into work in the morning.
Sex God
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Thanks guy's,
Mrs shad has been working in temperatures between 33 and 35 for 8hrs a day and is not a happy bunny at all.
Thought i would get as much info on the matter as possible prior to her going into work in the morning.
:shock:
Good luck, I definately think there's a case for dodgy work practices there!
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Hi all,
Does anyone know the new legislations on permitted maxium temperatures allowed at work.
If anyone can help we would be gratefull.
It depends on where you work (some industries have their own legislation) - generally there isn't one :shock:
... but there are guidelines on ranges of acceptable temperature.
Look on the HSE website.
HI
Health and Saftey, Working Environment, legislation state that there is a minimum temperature but not a maximum, but the employer does have to ensure there is adequate ventilation, light and there must be drinkable water (even though they can get away with yukky tap water).
Office I work in is a constant 86degrees at the mo, so I am throwing all I can at them to get something done.
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Health and Saftey, Working Environment, legislation state that there is a minimum temperature but not a maximum, but the employer does have to ensure there is adequate ventilation, light and there must be drinkable water (even though they can get away with yukky tap water).
Office I work in is a constant 86degrees at the mo, so I am throwing all I can at them to get something done.
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Sex God
Bloody good job the working tempratures regulations aren't compulsory - the factory I'm running broke about 40 degrees I think today and the weather wasn't as hot as it could be.
Roger the Dragon
Roger the Dragon
Sex God
There isn't a maximum temperature where you are legally in your right to leave the workplace BUT if you are working in conditions that are over 26 for long periods you do have the legal right to leave that area until it has become a cooler place. This is due to heat stress which is an underestimated problem.
You should ask your line manager about what they conceive as a maximum temperature. If they say something rediculas then you can go the next step up. If you have no luck there then you can ask directly to the personnel manager and demand some action taken. If no action is taken or no plan is made then you can just go to work but not actually do anything. You can sit in the kitchen all day if you want and get paid for doing it.
You can not leave the premises through maximum heat unless there is an immmediate danger to yourself or others. Heat stroke or dehydration are immediate dangers.
Thats the law we have at our company which we had to fight for to be written. This is only because during winter workin on night shifts it would get as low as 10. I rang the on call person and left the building to stay in my running car until it was sorted. Funny that they can get things done when you threaten your employers like that.
You should ask your line manager about what they conceive as a maximum temperature. If they say something rediculas then you can go the next step up. If you have no luck there then you can ask directly to the personnel manager and demand some action taken. If no action is taken or no plan is made then you can just go to work but not actually do anything. You can sit in the kitchen all day if you want and get paid for doing it.
You can not leave the premises through maximum heat unless there is an immmediate danger to yourself or others. Heat stroke or dehydration are immediate dangers.
Thats the law we have at our company which we had to fight for to be written. This is only because during winter workin on night shifts it would get as low as 10. I rang the on call person and left the building to stay in my running car until it was sorted. Funny that they can get things done when you threaten your employers like that.
Sex God
pah, you bunch of softies.
used to have to calibrate a brick oven each year in the middle of summer, 1600 degrees inside and about 50 outside.
and those luverly H&S guys insisted we wear overalls and steel toecap boots, nice!
used to have to calibrate a brick oven each year in the middle of summer, 1600 degrees inside and about 50 outside.
and those luverly H&S guys insisted we wear overalls and steel toecap boots, nice!
Sex God
I used to drive tube trains and it's often well over 40°C in the tunnels. Bearable for an hour or so, but if you get stuck it can be lethal. We put up with it because there was nothing we could do about it. Air conditioning on tube trains is a waste of time because there's no room outside the train to put decent kit and the filters get clogged up with brake dust as soon as you put them in.
No matter how conscientious an employer is about H&S, you just have to accept that sometimes unpleasant conditions are unavoidable.
No matter how conscientious an employer is about H&S, you just have to accept that sometimes unpleasant conditions are unavoidable.
Sex God
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I used to drive tube trains and it's often well over 40°C in the tunnels. Bearable for an hour or so, but if you get stuck it can be lethal. We put up with it because there was nothing we could do about it. Air conditioning on tube trains is a waste of time because there's no room outside the train to put decent kit and the filters get clogged up with brake dust as soon as you put them in.
No matter how conscientious an employer is about H&S, you just have to accept that sometimes unpleasant conditions are unavoidable.
I know what you mean Ice but I really don't think you should just 'grin and bear it'. If you are driving the tube trains for over an hour liek you say then surely there could of done soemthing to that one particular compartment to make it bearable. Could a simple electric fan make some difference?
Failing that how about an ait conditioner for the front and back of the train? It could be small beasue it would only be affecting the one room. I just don't believe that people have to put up with conditions because their employers haven't tried hard enough to help.
Sex God
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I know what you mean Ice but I really don't think you should just 'grin and bear it'. If you are driving the tube trains for over an hour liek you say then surely there could of done soemthing to that one particular compartment to make it bearable. Could a simple electric fan make some difference?
There have always been fans in the driver's cabs, but all they do is move the air around, which does help a bit by assisting sweat to evaporate, but they don't do anything about the actual temperature.
Failing that how about an ait conditioner for the front and back of the train? It could be small beasue it would only be affecting the one room.
The line I drove on (Piccadilly) does now have air con in the cabs exactly as you suggest, but it's not very effective because it tends to suck the dust off the tunnel walls and clog up the intakes. The dust is largely from above ground and there's not a lot we can do about that: The tunnels and ventilation systems are integrally designed, which in large parts of the Underground means we're dealing with 100 year old technology. As long as it doesn't kill people, which it doesn't, we make do rather than spend hundreds of billions rebuilding the whole network from scratch, which is what it would take.
I drove in deep level tunnels for ten tears and I know a great many drivers who have been doing it much longer with no ill effects. Sure it's uncomfortable sometimes - that's an occupational hazard which we have tried to alleviate as best we can, but not all problems are completely solveable. Chances are on a broken down train, which is when you most need air con, it wouldn't work anyway.
I just don't believe that people have to put up with conditions because their employers haven't tried hard enough to help.
If you got the impression the company wasn't trying, I can assure you that the main reason I have stayed with the Underground for 22 years is because its commitment to its staff in the area of H&S is second to none. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't have taken on a potentially risky job like that.
It's actually worse for the passengers in terms of temperature. A packed carriage 50 metres underground in a tunnel only just big enough for the train in the middle of summer is a deeply unpleasant way to travel, but it simply isn't physically possible to fit genuine air con on the entire length of the train. Fortunately the average passenger journey underground is only about ten minutes and most people can handle that - things only get potentially nasty when a train breaks down in the tunnel, which is why we do regular rescue and evacuation exercises to try to make sure everyone stays on the ball.
Sex God
I see what you mean Ice. I'm glad they've done so much. It is in there own and your interest to do so. Do you reakcon things could be improved. You say there is a lot of dust from the cirface etc so hwo about an air filter like a dyson that could be put in place beofre the intake of the air con? There should always be investigations to make working more comfortable and if possible more fun.
I know a lot of people who have just said, well its always been like that, and it was never pretty seeing them suffer like. I'm glad you are saying they (underground) are taking it seriously.
I know a lot of people who have just said, well its always been like that, and it was never pretty seeing them suffer like. I'm glad you are saying they (underground) are taking it seriously.
Sex God
Quote by mattmoleman
I see what you mean Ice. I'm glad they've done so much. It is in there own and your interest to do so. Do you reakcon things could be improved. You say there is a lot of dust from the cirface etc so hwo about an air filter like a dyson that could be put in place beofre the intake of the air con? There should always be investigations to make working more comfortable and if possible more fun.
I know a lot of people who have just said, well its always been like that, and it was never pretty seeing them suffer like. I'm glad you are saying they (underground) are taking it seriously.
The air is filtered as you say, the problem is the filters get clogged more quickly than they can be replaced. What we need is to get rid of the dust before the train even encounters it. We've had a tunnel cleaning train for about 40 years, which is basically a two hundred foot long vacuum cleaner (would you believe it used to be done by an army of people with feather dusters? I kid you not. "Fluffies" they were called, which will no doubt amuse Sarah no end
) There's a new one on the drawing board with three times the capacity, so hopefully that should indirectly lead to lower temperatures on board the trains.(OK everyone, sorry for being an anorak, I won't talk shop anymore, honest
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We've had a tunnel cleaning train for about 40 years, which is basically a two hundred foot long vaccum cleaner
Underground worker going to A&E.........
"I was vacuuming the tunnel in the nude and this train just got attached to my dick......I have no idea how it happened"
Dave_Notts
Sex God
Quote by Dave__Notts
We've had a tunnel cleaning train for about 40 years, which is basically a two hundred foot long vaccum cleaner
Underground worker going to A&E.........
"I was vacuuming the tunnel in the nude and this train just got attached to my dick......I have no idea how it happened"
Dave_Notts
Love it Dave.
I fell on a train...... :twisted:
Sex God
Quote by Dave__Notts
We've had a tunnel cleaning train for about 40 years, which is basically a two hundred foot long vaccum cleaner
Underground worker going to A&E.........
"I was vacuuming the tunnel in the nude and this train just got attached to my dick......I have no idea how it happened"
Dave_NottsLook, I told you that in the strictest confidence.
like some other people have said there is no maximum but it does depend on industry you workin ,example armed forces personal expected to workin temps of +40c can epxect no more than 4 hours of work,if they are requiredto work longer then they get whats called excessive temp allowance as a work for mcdonalds and they were the same no more than 4 hours work in temps of more than 40. of course if you a firefighter your screwed.
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We've had a tunnel cleaning train for about 40 years, which is basically a two hundred foot long vaccum cleaner
Underground worker going to A&E.........
"I was vacuuming the tunnel in the nude and this train just got attached to my dick......I have no idea how it happened"
Dave_NottsLook, I told you that in the strictest confidence.
Sorry Ice
I think I just broke the GMC guidelines talking about your case as wellHope it heals soon. I'll better get to the job centre as I will be struck off now
Dave_Notts
Huh
We have a week or two of heat and everyone moans........whats the world coming to.......never used to be like this when I was a lad (cue hovis music)......we used to work down pit where you lit your fags off the wall......it were so hot, you just took the dough to work and bread cooked before lunch.
H&S......it is that Euro rubbish stopping us working......
Dave_Notts
We have a week or two of heat and everyone moans........whats the world coming to.......never used to be like this when I was a lad (cue hovis music)......we used to work down pit where you lit your fags off the wall......it were so hot, you just took the dough to work and bread cooked before lunch.
H&S......it is that Euro rubbish stopping us working......
Dave_Notts
Sex God
Now here's a novel idea from a boss that has done all he can to firstly buy in fans, provide cold drinks, allow a more relaxed dress code and secondly hire in portable air con units for the places where none exist (but has failed because lo and behold there are none available) yet is still to blame for the fact that the sun is shinning.............why not offer to work a different work pattern that avoids the warmer part of the day, well fuck me that would just be too inconvenient wouldn't it, cos I've tried that one as well.
Yes I'm hot.....yes I'm trying to deal with it....and yes I'm pissed off with those that will dig up a problem but dont wanna be part of a solution.
Yes I'm hot.....yes I'm trying to deal with it....and yes I'm pissed off with those that will dig up a problem but dont wanna be part of a solution.
