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I just wrote a long reply to bluexx and lost it when i hit submit, i think i spent too long composing it rather than any glitch.

If you spend too long composing you time out so the best way is to compose in note pad or similar and then cut an paste direct into here.....
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blue you are right, i aint happy, i get annoyed at whats happening here, i don't like commercialisation ( from a personal view) but get confused as to how the Mods here can work for those making money from this.

Whats the alternative???
Leave it un-modded so anarchy rules and everyone gets totally pissed off and goes................................................................Elsewhere...
Quote by postie
I don't think many of those who used to post on here would have been here in the first place if we'd have to of paid £50.

I certainly would not be here if I had to pay....
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I just wrote a long reply to bluexx and lost it when i hit submit, i think i spent too long composing it rather than any glitch.

You and me both. I lost my first effort too. I typed the second in word pad and copied through. I think the system logs people out after about 5 mins of inactivity (posting is inactivity confused )
Quote by postie
i aint happy, i get annoyed at whats happening here

Agreed. If you read some of my posts at the time of the take over, I was VERY angry. But it is how we deal with that anger that matters. We can bitch and moan to everyone that will listen. Or we can change what is making us angry. There is little the people can do about the changes at SH, so it is understandable that they continue to be angry. It is understandable that they take out that anger on others.... I am not saying it is right or justified, just that I can see where it comes from.... this is alll very basic psych 101 after all lol . But I hope you now realise that the mods are not the people to take your anger out on. We were also angered by the changes. We could not change the situation at SH, so we created a new small site. The new site is not a competitor to SH, just an alternative if people want to use it. Others did the same with their own sites. I dare say you are dealing with your anger by modding at another site. Am I right? But anger is not good in the long term. Let the new sites settle into their own routines and we may find that we can all get along together.... in peace........... awwwwwwwwwwwww
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, i don't like commercialisation ( from a personal view) but get confused as to how the Mods here can work for those making money from this.

I do not like commercialisation either. I made it clear to the admin and the people on the board that I felt no loyalty to the new owners. So why did I stay on as a mod? Same reason as I modded during the "Mark days".... I care about the community. Slag me off for that statement, as some did when i said it on the site that you mod on, postie --- but it is true. Caring about the community is not the same as caring about a particular url however.... i will still be apart of this community regardless of what the www is!
I do not work for the admin. I contribute to the community, wherever it is.
Quote by postie
I don't think many of those who used to post on here would have been here in the first place if we'd have to of paid £50.

Nope, I certainly would not be here. But what has that got to do with the issues you raised in your first post. How are the new charges in any way to do with the mods. I say again, your anger should be directed to the admin, not us if that how you feel. Or of course you can leave. Your choice. We all have that choice... whether or not we choose to bitch about it.
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I don't think i am helping the balance of happiness by whinging. I'll shut the fuck up biggrin

True. I agree. I don't think you got the response you desired.
I do find the easiest way if you are unsure if the message will get through is simply type it all in, then select it all and right click, copy, then it is stored in the computers memory so even if it goes wrong you just have to go back and right click paste.
This is what lackey means:
NOUN:
pl. lack·eys
1. A liveried male servant; a footman.
2. A servile follower; a toady.
Now I think that everyone knows, or can easily find out by looking at old posts, that NONE of the Mods are servile followers of the new site owners. If you're going to use words then at least find out what they mean first.
mad
Quote by Steve_Mids
hey there will always be changes ,life goes on ,but we all here looking for fun and we all all looking for different things and would not be looking if we did not enjoy so let mods do what they can as best as they can ,the sites been taken over and we just got to make the best of what we can,the munch meets will still go on and ppl will get to see all our mates so come on swinging heaven is still here. biggrin

The only possible divisive thing I can see is that the SH munch as we know it, will only be open to SH members. If anyone has defected with no likelihood of return, they wouldn't be eligible to attend. Then again, they are less likely to want to attend if they've defected I suppose.
The 'job' of organiser could get very complicated if that person decided to open up a party to all three sites' members.
As I understood munches were only ever for members of SH anyway..
As for opening it up to other sites...
Wouldnt be a munch then would it.....Would be a private party and the organiser could then invite who they wanted to.. :D
Sorry Steve, I know that the munch was only open to SH members and yes of course, if it's a private party then people can invite who they want to. I meant if, say, a social event in the style of a munch was organised - major headache if the person made it a 'add your name to the list' kind of thing. There could be trouble with banned/pissed off members to deal with!
Quote by freckledbird
Sorry Steve, I know that the munch was only open to SH members and yes of course, if it's a private party then people can invite who they want to. I meant if, say, a social event in the style of a munch was organised - major headache if the person made it a 'add your name to the list' kind of thing. There could be trouble with banned/pissed off members to deal with!

I think I see what you mean..
I think that if banned members are attending then the event must be organised via pm's and emails and ALL going have to be told that banned members will be attending..
I may be wrong as the rules seem to have changed so many times lately its difficult to know which page we are all supposed to be working from... confused
ouch...reading the first page of this thread was scary....had to skip straight to page four just to find out if anyone had been murdered!
I knew the site had changed but didnt realise that it was such a big thing/catastrophe in the eys of so many regulars.
from my viewpoint i am not a newbie and also not a long term daily contributor...but...
my pm /email box is easier to understand
the adverts pages seem as easy to trawl
the 'my friends' button helps me go back and look for details of those not yet contacted
the 'lets meet' section actually is starting to resemble one, instead of being clogged with club/munch invites.
and as far as i can see , idiots can still be banned
i ask myself, would i like to be on a site with ten members and 80% of them female?...sigh....8 women...of course i would. ...but would i also want to be on a site with 377, 000 members including several thousand women?....definately!!!
Quote by mattius
.but would i also want to be on a site with 377, 000 members including several thousand women?....definately!!!

Ahhhh
But are there 377,000 members???
Quote by Steve_Mids

.but would i also want to be on a site with 377, 000 members including several thousand women?....definately!!!

Ahhhh
But are there 377,000 members???
wink I dunno, do you ??
Why the difference between 377449 members and 95979 reg., users ?
Maybe a "Senior" in the hierarchy can explain it.
phredd
i dont know(chatroom op)....i am just reading the member stats on the right
maybe there are actually two billion but they dont want to brag
maybe there are only three members and two of you are filling in all these posts in different names just to keep me amused
and maybe..just maybe...seven blondes will pm me in the next two mins
and if it happens...postie will get an email from me
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ouch...reading the first page of this thread was scary....had to skip straight to page four just to find out if anyone had been murdered!
I knew the site had changed but didnt realise that it was such a big thing/catastrophe in the eys of so many regulars.
from my viewpoint i am not a newbie and also not a long term daily contributor...but...
1) my pm /email box is easier to understand
Well... they did take away the "delete all e-mails feature, brilliant when they dumped every pm i had ever received back into my emai box.... so that was 600 deleted one by one!!! finally saw the light and gave it back
2)the adverts pages seem as easy to trawl
sort of.... except everyone who use more than just the photo ad's then had multiple accounts and couldn't link them together.... so we all had to go and redo them...
3) the 'my friends' button helps me go back and look for details of those not yet contacted
when it actually worked
4)the 'lets meet' section actually is starting to resemble one, instead of being clogged with club/munch invites.
just because those may not be your thing... they are just as valid as your one line "fancy a shag" post... which does clog up LMU....ask the 150 odd people going to one on staurday night????
and as far as i can see , idiots can still be banned
my god.. we agree on something just seems like there are more idiots around unfortunatly..
i ask myself, would i like to be on a site with ten members and 80% of them female?...sigh....8 women...of course i would. ...but would i also want to be on a site with 377, 000 members including several thousand women?....definately!!!
not so fast mr...... go back to 2) ... then work out how many people have had to redo... plus the amount of people who regularly still use the site...... plus all the double counting going on when they lumped the forum and the ads together........
I think the number may be a tad optimistic!!!!!!
But anger is not good in the long term.

No truer words spoken on this thread so far.
We have been around SH now for a while and i can honestly say i have never seen anything like this.
Many of the people who used to use the cafe on a regular basis and had me pissing myself laughing at their posts are now gone, and those that are left are arguing and having a swipe at each other about the new changes.
Granted i am not keen on what has gone on here. i was a huge fan of the old swing heaven and inparticular the cafe which will now never be the same again, but i have stuck around (although rach never uses the site now) and think that there is SOME hope left for SH.
The changes made have not particulary helped the site, many have made it less user friendly in my opinion and some amount to nothing more than a lick of paint, but the Mods who loved the old SH cannot be slagged off for staying around. Postie you are a funny guy and used to read your posts with interest but i do think you are wrong for having a go at the Mods, yes the site is now a money maker for the owners and not the community based escape it once was but there are still some of the great people left.
I say ignore those you feel are the idiots (they used to be around in the old SH *although not as many granted), post and reply to those you know and love from SH of old, and try to help those that are new and have the potential (or seem to have) to make this site what it once was (if this is possible).
If not then move on to a new site and try pastures new.
i will not be paying for a new membership after this year unless the site improves and the amount of idiots does level off, i will have to wait and see if this transpires, however i do agree that the site has an aura of "sex site" around it now rather than the swinging community that it was once.
Post over, head hurting, finger aching!!
Happy New Year Postie rolleyes
If you decide to call me names for modding here then so be it. But if I can do anything to help one of the members that still posts here I will continue to Moderate.
I fully understand people are making money off the work we do as mods and believe me, St3v3 knows exactly what I think to him and his office staff. I have used so many insults and swear words that I'm often surprised I can log into my account :roll:
It takes more backbone than Postie could ever muster to stay here and try and support those that decide to stay rather than run away or post insults.
Swinging, it is all about choices and adult behaviour, isn't it dunno
Dawn
Quote by Dawn_Mids
It takes more backbone than Postie could ever muster to stay here and try and support those that decide to stay rather than run away or post insults.

This one line puts it all into persepective. BUT can I also say that applies to the many members (non-Mods) who are constantly complaining, and are doing nothing to try to get things back to somewhere near normal.
I do admit, the site has now gone crap, and if I had to pay for this, I would definately be looking elsewhere. However, no-one as forced me to stay here, and I do know that there are at least a couple of other places I could spend my time, but I choose to stay here. I choose to chat to a large number of the newer members who are infact, the type of people we used to welcome on these forums. I also chose to ignore the plonkers or tell them to F**k off they keep sending pervy pm's!
I know that someone is making money out of this site, out of 'our' messages and out of 'our' adverts, 'our' photos but I am not paying for this and under no circumstances would I ever pay to be a member of this site. If someone has got the cheek to charge people to read out dribble, then bloody good luck to them!
I feel so much for the Mods at the moment, it has always been one of those jobs that no-one in their right minds would offer to do (Soz Mods) but they did choose to do it, and have continued to do it even though they have other places they could be spending all their time.
In the end I just say give the mods a break, they are doing a bloody thankless job, they cant do right for doing wrong, but most of all, they are doing this for us, and if we dont like it, then we can always f**k off somewhere else!
I havn't read all the posts but have had a qucik skim thro
I do agree that the site has gone down hill, i hardly ever post on here anymore and for someone who knocked up over 5000 posts in less than a year that a pretty big thing lol
the only reason i stay a member is because of the munches (i'm being honest here) i do not feel the need to come in to chat to m8s as all of the regulars are on new sites anyway, like many it saddens me to see what has happened here, this once was a great site and is now full of single guys spamming one liner shag requests to every womens in box, yes guys us women do speak to each other you know wink
but saying that i always have and still do respect the mods for the thankless job they do, and even thro all this they have still done their best and you can't ask for any more than that
Again I need to be careful what I write here. In my opinion my ban was wrong. I stood my ground on a point that free sites ie Lycos LIM etc had gone down hill. I didn't actually dis this site or any members. I'm a MOD on a private FXP forum and the threads get heated and interesting but bans ares rare, and then only after a warning. I was offered my money back but I chose to remain (might I add I was pissed at the time). I have no knowledge of this board before the take over but it seems the scene as you knew it is changing for the worse. So my point is My ban was wrong and it wasn't cos I'd paid ( I was also pissed when I signed up but hey sh*t happens) that I was reinstated.. The ban was over zealous.
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Again I need to be careful what I write here. In my opinion my ban was wrong. I stood my ground on a point that free sites ie Lycos LIM etc had gone down hill. I didn't actually dis this site or any members. I'm a MOD on a private FXP forum and the threads get heated and interesting but bans ares rare, and then only after a warning. I was offered my money back but I chose to remain (might I add I was pissed at the time). I have no knowledge of this board before the take over but it seems the scene as you knew it is changing for the worse. So my point is My ban was wrong and it wasn't cos I'd paid ( I was also pissed when I signed up but hey sh*t happens) that I was reinstated.. The ban was over zealous.

Might I suggest a concerted effort to stay slightly more sober would aid your stay here..
Just an observation you understand..
Yer thanks that's real good advice ! I assume you believe the ban was fair ? The point made was that I was reinstated because I paid but I could have been refunded.. So the argument isn't valid. Again I'm sorry this whole matter arose. Much worse things were said about me but nothing at all was done to edit out the malicious remarks.. I'm happy to take some stick but it did seem slightly unfair... However as far as I'm concerned that matter is finished..
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Yer thanks that's real good advice ! I assume you believe the ban was fair ? The point made was that I was reinstated because I paid but I could have been refunded.. So the argument isn't valid. Again I'm sorry this whole matter arose. Much worse things were said about me but nothing at all was done to edit out the malicious remarks.. I'm happy to take some stick but it did seem slightly unfair... However as far as I'm concerned that matter is finished..

I think the ban was fair and appropriate at the time it was made, there are a lot of tongue in cheek comments made on SH and it takes a little while to see what is against the aup and what is banter, I'm still learning myself.
Okay I'm going to leave it as the matter is finished. That's what I said. I'm sorry my comment that I'm a mod on another site was offensive or predictable. I'm really just here to meet new people... Don't wana get all negative...
Quote by gingerminge38
Okay I'm going to leave it as the matter is finished. That's what I said. I'm sorry my comment that I'm a mod on another site was offensive or predictable. I'm really just here to meet new people... Don't wana get all negative...

Thanks, enjoy SH.
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Thanks, enjoy SH.

Omg what are we going to do with you st3v3 rolleyes Dont be nice to the newbies smackbottom
Before anyone flames me that was a joke rotflmao
Shireen
xxx
I wasn’t going to but….F*** it!!!
Over time I have realised that regardless of what you have to say about the situation, be it constructive criticism or otherwise, it isn’t healthy so in a way I’m shooting myself in the foot here however……………………I have posted many times on SH, I have started threads, as some of you may remember, asking for some sort of solidarity when it’s all seemed to be going downhill……………………
SH has played an enormous part in our life, It isn’t the only focus but then we don’t just live for swinging, it’s just part of us and a part that we enjoy and means a lot.
I hate the fact that we have all been scattered, and make no bones about it, we have!! I have settled elsewhere because the majority of our friends are there! I say majority because they aren’t all there and I miss the rapier wit and comforting words of many……………………..Dawn, Judy, KitKat, etc, etc. I still pop in now and again to see what’s happening but it’s not really the same is it? It’s not the same as it used to be but as Judy says, shit happens and nothing ever stays the same sadly.
I never started swinging and building friendships to get involved in the politics, I never aspired to be a mod ‘cause it doesn’t (From this side of the fence) seem anyway rewarding, I do admire the work they do regardless of the site they are on, I just truly wish we were all in one place and having the fun that we used to have WITHOUT the politics. That ain’t going to happen in the near future but I have mates that prefer to drink in different pubs from me. They are still mates and we still occasionally get to enjoy a night in other surroundings so, well………………perhaps we just, like we have proved we are able to do, accept each other differences in a way that “normal” society sometimes can’t??
We are truly a special, open minded, welcoming breed of not destroy that with ego’s or pettiness……………..
Miss ya
The Laird
xx
The Laird can I just say what a beautiful post kiss
Shireen
xxx
I haven't posted here for a while, but just wanted to say, well, what Shireen just said. Gorgeous post, Laird. Couldn't agree with you more. I'm sad that things have changed, I'm sad we're scattered, and I miss a lot of people whose posts I used to love.
I wish there was something we could do, but I've come to the conclusion that there isn't, so there's not much point discussing it much more, or criticising anyone else for their choices. All you can do is join is as much as possible where you are, and try to make it a fun place - everyone you miss is more likely to show up there then.
This whole episode has shown me that we're all bloody impressive in some ways. I'm impressed with everyone who has stayed here and valiantly tried to keep it working. I'm impressed with those who started new sites and put in ridiculous amounts of effort organising and modding them so we'd all have alternatives. I'm impressed with everyone who has made an effort to post about unrelated issues and keep the banter going, to help newbies, to keep in touch with their friends, and to show us that this community doesn't rely on one website to keep it together.
We've also shown ourselves to be crap in other ways, and I've been saddened by the amount of moaning, flouncing, infighting, nasty rumours, internal politics, clique-iness, the amount of people who want to criticise everyone else, and the immediate 'fuck off' reflex when anyone feels they're being criticised.
The funny thing is, both those lists have the same people on them - and for the most part they're the people who care most about this community, the people who I most like and respect and whose participation has always been most important in forming this fantastic community. So maybe what this has taught me is that crisis situations show up both the best and the worst in people.
But I have faith in this community and these people, and I think we're going to come through it eventually - things will settle down, we'll regret our petty actions and harsh words, and forgive and forget and remember what we're here for.
Cocoa x
I think we should now arrange an sh meet for everyone who has ever moaned and groaned about the changes and all the mods who are doing a thankless job that lets face it ,would we wanna do it?.... think not, to make love together and bring peace and harmony back to what's still a great place to cum.. sorry come. wink
Although i would just like to say alot of these people who say they'd leave if asked to pay would you really.... would we?....probably not rolleyes
Don't worry i'll edit that out before i post it so owners don't see it :wink:
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Although i would just like to say alot of these people who say they'd leave if asked to pay would you really.... would we?....probably not rolleyes
Don't worry i'll edit that out before i post it so owners don't see it wink

Yep we definately would leave if asked to pay...... And dontpanic the new owers know this lol
Shireen
xxx
I was going to write a long detailed reply to Postie, as I feel insulted by his comments, but having given it much thought I have decided to keep it simple. confused :? :?
Why do I continue to moderate on this site? Because I enjoy it!! I enjoy helping people (I do it for 12 hours a day as part of my job) and when I stop enjoying it I will stop doing it. I don't care who owns the site. I'm not doing it to help them, I'm doing it to help the people that use the site.
That's it !! :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? lol :lol: :lol: :lol: