This will be a bit of a test....wonder if this will get locked or I'll be cast in to outer darkness? I would like to raise a discussion about Moderators and some of the scathing coments that I have noticed by some of the Moderators, particularly where newbies are concerned. My understanding of the role of moderators is to oversee the posts and to take action where there is abusive, bullying or offensive behaviour or language in the boards, to give help and guidance and to generally be a positive presence for the general wellbeing of members and the site. Where I think they step beyond their remit and generally create a bad atmosphere is when they intervene on message boards by adding derogatory or sarcastic posts to message strings when they spot a new or inexperienced person may have made a gaffe. If they were trying to be helpful and not demean then a pm to the member would be discreet and sympathetic way of helping, unfortunately I get the impression that some mods have rather let the power of their position go to their heads. I raised a similar matter a short while ago and had a couple of posts from other members who were rather fed up with the attitude towards newbies and I would like this topic to be discussed more generally. If I am felt to have over stated my case then I will happily be persuaded otherwise but I will rather lose faith is a full and frank discussion is not permitted.
So, what do the members think?
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I wouldn't DREAM of locking this one!!
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I think that the mods have a hard enough job to do... and they all do it bloody well, without them this place would have gone to the wall like other places i know......
so what you are saying is they are not allowed to show there personalities... or you want then all to be robots????
a lot of it is the case where they break the rules regarding the AUP......and the mods have to come down on it...
I also get the feeling that when i joined a lot of the newbies then spent a lot of time looking before they took the step whereas a lot more people now are just jumping in and not getting a feel of the place first......then when it doesn't go there way, they do the whinge thing
sean xxxxxxx
so what you are saying is they are not allowed to show there personalities... or you want then all to be robots????
a lot of it is the case where they break the rules regarding the AUP......and the mods have to come down on it...
I also get the feeling that when i joined a lot of the newbies then spent a lot of time looking before they took the step whereas a lot more people now are just jumping in and not getting a feel of the place first......then when it doesn't go there way, they do the whinge thing
sean xxxxxxx
Shoot the lot of them I say
I think if we are going to be serious (and I really struggle with this concept) the Mods do a really difficult job and have to make value judgements on a regular basis. Very occasionally they make mistakes but are the first to put their hands up in such circumstances
They all do a bloody good job at keeping this Forum what it is and I thank them for that
(and if I didnt Id be scared witless at what Bluexx might do to me
:lol: :lol: )
I think if we are going to be serious (and I really struggle with this concept) the Mods do a really difficult job and have to make value judgements on a regular basis. Very occasionally they make mistakes but are the first to put their hands up in such circumstances
They all do a bloody good job at keeping this Forum what it is and I thank them for that
(and if I didnt Id be scared witless at what Bluexx might do to me
:lol: :lol: ) To err is but human and we all make mistakes from time to time but I would rather have things the way they are than the lawlessness of a Wild West Cafe without them.
On the whole we have a good set of Mods & OPs on SH and they do a thankless task for very little appreciation. ................ Well, for the record........ I appreciate yas - one and all!
On the whole we have a good set of Mods & OPs on SH and they do a thankless task for very little appreciation. ................ Well, for the record........ I appreciate yas - one and all!
..have to say I agree with much of what you say Saxon. The Mods undoubtedly in the main do a great job, but occasionally do overstep the mark imo, particularly with sections of our community who need the encouragement and empathy most...newbies. It has often appeared to me that some Mods feel that 'newbies' need to be 'blooded' in some way..like new recruits in the military and then get defensive when they receive criticism for doing it.
Personally, it's disappointing seeing Mods reply to criticism by using phrases like 'that's my opinion/decision, like it or lump it'..comments like that usually proliferate in far less free thinking regimes than the alternative lifestyle we try to enjoy...isn't that why we're here?... because we don't want to conform to the rigid boundaries of conventional society..so being a newbie, you would logically expect a fair, sympathetic hearing to whatever it is you have to say...or any criticism to be free from overt sarcasm and/or aggressive language. The qualities that make a good Moderator are probably similar to those that make a good teacher...sensitivity, fairness and a firm hand when needed! :jagsatwork:
Personally, it's disappointing seeing Mods reply to criticism by using phrases like 'that's my opinion/decision, like it or lump it'..comments like that usually proliferate in far less free thinking regimes than the alternative lifestyle we try to enjoy...isn't that why we're here?... because we don't want to conform to the rigid boundaries of conventional society..so being a newbie, you would logically expect a fair, sympathetic hearing to whatever it is you have to say...or any criticism to be free from overt sarcasm and/or aggressive language. The qualities that make a good Moderator are probably similar to those that make a good teacher...sensitivity, fairness and a firm hand when needed! :jagsatwork:
Sex God
SaxonLogan......
SHUT UP YOU WHINGER.....
Spoken as a person, not a mod :grin: :grin: :grin:
SHUT UP YOU WHINGER.....
Spoken as a person, not a mod :grin: :grin: :grin:
Sex God
SaxonLogan....
SHUT UP YOU WHINGER
Spoken as a mod, not a person :borg: :borg: :borg: :grin: :grin: :grin:
SHUT UP YOU WHINGER
Spoken as a mod, not a person :borg: :borg: :borg: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Orgasminator
Quote by SaxonLogan
.......discussion about Moderators and some of the scathing coments that I have noticed by some of the Moderators, particularly where newbies are concerned.
The first point I would say is that this is a very general observation. I think it is unfair to single out this trait and assign it soley to moderators. In the past some noobs have been gunned down before they have had time to even think about taking their coat off, but i dont think this is something only the mods do, indeed i have been guilty of it in the past myself.
However lets bear in mind that it is fast approaching 'silly seasion' yet again where we will doubtlessly be inundated by pre-pubessant twits thinking they are having a laugh. Also the manner of some of the recent 'intro' posts leaves a lot to be desired. I know the 'search button is my friend' but TBH i cant be arsed to use it so havent put any examples up, but you know the sort i mean..... "19 yr old male, big cock, own car, looking 4 birds to f*ck" etc etc. With this kind of posting it is understandable, maybe not excusable, that at times people are jumped on with very little provocation.Quote by SaxonLogan
.....My understanding of the role of moderators is to oversee the posts and to take action where there is abusive, bullying or offensive behaviour or language in the boards, to give help and guidance and to generally be a positive presence for the general wellbeing of members and the site. Where I think they step beyond their remit and generally create a bad atmosphere is when they intervene on message boards by adding derogatory or sarcastic posts to message strings when they spot a new or inexperienced person may have made a gaffe.
Without an example it is difficult to comment on this. I feel that a fair few of the mods, as well as a good number of regulars, again myself included, have very sharp and sarcastic senses of humour and that this may at time come across as something it is not.
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.......If they were trying to be helpful and not demean then a pm to the member would be discreet and sympathetic way of helping, unfortunately I get the impression that some mods have rather let the power of their position go to their heads.
Lets not forget something here, ALL mods and ops in the chat room carry out their role for nothing, they are not paid or otherwise reimbursed. I have been a mod and an op on other sites in the past and i can tell you first hand that it is a thankless task. If you sit back and let things take their course, 'intervening' as little as possible, you get pms gallor from people asking why you havent done this or that. On the other hand, if you 'intervene' at the first sign of desent or argument, you are jumped on for not allowing freedom of speach and basically you cant win.
This is not a brown tongued, arse licking rub up to the mods, i have had my run ins with them in the past. Just it irkes me that people have to have a go at people who are doing their best in a thankless task that they carry out for gratis.
Thats my 2 penniths worth anyway.
Mod
Funny how he dropped his hand grenade post and then disappeared, isn't it? And no, before anyone asks, we haven't banned him!
I think we need a little clarification about the person who started this thread. He's been here 3 months and posted 27 times, of which 4 of them are what this is all about.
He said this:
Having read through all his previous posts, I find nothing at all like that. Please feel free to check, there isn't many to go through!
And another one, based on the fact he wasn't getting the replies he wanted.
a bit like walking into Asda and saying you prefer Sainsburys! If this is such a God awful site, why is he still here? He hasn't done anything to get himself banned, but plenty to get himself noticed - for all the wrong reasons.
The floor is open!!
Mal
I think we need a little clarification about the person who started this thread. He's been here 3 months and posted 27 times, of which 4 of them are what this is all about.
He said this:
Quote by SaxonLogan
I raised a similar matter a short while ago and had a couple of posts from other members who were rather fed up with the attitude towards newbies and I would like this topic to be discussed more generally
Having read through all his previous posts, I find nothing at all like that. Please feel free to check, there isn't many to go through!
And another one, based on the fact he wasn't getting the replies he wanted.
Quote by SaxonLogan
Now resort to just browsing for amusements sake and have rather given up trying to arrange anything, have recently joined another site which is far more forgiving and where the members are friendlier, less judgmental and.....sorry to say this......a little more respectful, at least if they aren't interested they say so and even then we still sometimes keep in touch for a laugh.
a bit like walking into Asda and saying you prefer Sainsburys! If this is such a God awful site, why is he still here? He hasn't done anything to get himself banned, but plenty to get himself noticed - for all the wrong reasons.
The floor is open!!
Mal
Just to give you a rough idea and I do know that this is my choice but this is my morning
am pc and kettle on
am log into my email and Swinging Heaven.
Check on kids progress for school
am Check mods and OP mail and go between moving wrongly placed ads and packed lunches. Now considering mods mail was checked and probably cleared up around 6 am this morning, there is still enough to keep me amused most of the morning because it is constantly trickling in.
am kids have left so a quick half an hour in the chatroom to make sure there are no problems and have a natter with a couple of mates (Yeah, that means about an hours
)
am back into mods email and to the forum to attempt to read ALL the posts that are new since I last logged on.
I’ve just put the washing machine on, washing on the line and grabbed some fruit to eat for breakfast.
am I am still here working through mods email and forum postings.
Now I have to worry about that you think SaxonLogan. If I am posting as a mod or as Dawn.
Behave :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:
That is one mod, there are a number of us doing similar things all day including the work Mark puts in.
Are ya done being a WHINGER yet SaxonLogan
am pc and kettle on
am log into my email and Swinging Heaven.
Check on kids progress for school
am Check mods and OP mail and go between moving wrongly placed ads and packed lunches. Now considering mods mail was checked and probably cleared up around 6 am this morning, there is still enough to keep me amused most of the morning because it is constantly trickling in.
am kids have left so a quick half an hour in the chatroom to make sure there are no problems and have a natter with a couple of mates (Yeah, that means about an hours
)am back into mods email and to the forum to attempt to read ALL the posts that are new since I last logged on.
I’ve just put the washing machine on, washing on the line and grabbed some fruit to eat for breakfast.
am I am still here working through mods email and forum postings.
Now I have to worry about that you think SaxonLogan. If I am posting as a mod or as Dawn.
Behave :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:
That is one mod, there are a number of us doing similar things all day including the work Mark puts in.
Are ya done being a WHINGER yet SaxonLogan
this is great, its like watching gladiator with the scene in the colloseum, we just need a thumbs up or thumbs down :twisted:
then off with his head and send him on his merry way :P
apologies getting carried away, too much "for those who are about to die, salute you" watching!,
However, do want to add, think the mods, do a fabulous job, and don't get the recognition that their tasks deserve, so here here etc, well done chaps and chapettes, and keep up the good work :P
then off with his head and send him on his merry way :P
apologies getting carried away, too much "for those who are about to die, salute you" watching!,
However, do want to add, think the mods, do a fabulous job, and don't get the recognition that their tasks deserve, so here here etc, well done chaps and chapettes, and keep up the good work :P
Quote by Mal
Funny how he dropped his hand grenade post and then disappeared, isn't it? And no, before anyone asks, we haven't banned him!
I think we need a little clarification about the person who started this thread. He's been here 3 months and posted 27 times, of which 4 of them are what this is all about.
He said this:
I raised a similar matter a short while ago and had a couple of posts from other members who were rather fed up with the attitude towards newbies and I would like this topic to be discussed more generally
Having read through all his previous posts, I find nothing at all like that. Please feel free to check, there isn't many to go through!
And another one, based on the fact he wasn't getting the replies he wanted.
Quote by SaxonLogan
Now resort to just browsing for amusements sake and have rather given up trying to arrange anything, have recently joined another site which is far more forgiving and where the members are friendlier, less judgmental and.....sorry to say this......a little more respectful, at least if they aren't interested they say so and even then we still sometimes keep in touch for a laugh.
a bit like walking into Asda and saying you prefer Sainsburys! If this is such a God awful site, why is he still here? He hasn't done anything to get himself banned, but plenty to get himself noticed - for all the wrong reasons.
The floor is open!!
Mal
I have to agree with the consensus of opinion here..... the site is well-moderated and the Ops in the Chatroom also put up with an awful lot of flak.....
If SaxonLogan doesn't like the way it's run on SH.....and if he's not hearing what he wants to hear.. he has the freedom to go elsewhere..... i, for one, love this site.... and am totally addicted........ lol
equi-princess xxx
(SH addict....)
Quote by Dawn_Mids
Just to give you a rough idea and I do know that this is my choice but this is my morning
am pc and kettle on
am log into my email and Swinging Heaven.
Check on kids progress for school
am Check mods and OP mail and go between moving wrongly placed ads and packed lunches. Now considering mods mail was checked and probably cleared up around 6 am this morning, there is still enough to keep me amused most of the morning because it is constantly trickling in.
am kids have left so a quick half an hour in the chatroom to make sure there are no problems and have a natter with a couple of mates (Yeah, that means about an hours
am back into mods email and to the forum to attempt to read ALL the posts that are new since I last logged on.
I’ve just put the washing machine on, washing on the line and grabbed some fruit to eat for breakfast.
am I am still here working through mods email and forum postings.
Now I have to worry about that you think SaxonLogan. If I am posting as a mod or as Dawn.
Behave :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:
That is one mod, there are a number of us doing similar things all day including the work Mark puts in.
Are ya done being a WHINGER yet SaxonLogan
SaxonLogan....
SHUT UP YOU WHINGER
Spoken as a mod, not a person
Gawd do I soooooooooo lurve you two..... MODS are great.. even the infamous Sgt Bilko :shock:
Yup just got to say SaxonLogan.... They have hard nuff job as it is... and believe me as a PERSON its hard nuff going through the posts, imagine being a mod and looking at the hundreds of post that are done daily??? Your eyes would just fall out - this is coming from an ex-mod/op from my yesterdays...
Sozz NO sympathy here....
Can I get a AMEN??
Mods :worship: Mods :worship: Mods :worship: Mods SaxonLogan
Okey dokey now.. time to jet
Sex God
Quote by Dawn_Midsmmm cant wait for the pm rota
Just to give you a rough idea and I do know that this is my choice but this is my morning
am pc and kettle on
am log into my email and Swinging Heaven.
Check on kids progress for school
am Check mods and OP mail and go between moving wrongly placed ads and packed lunches. Now considering mods mail was checked and probably cleared up around 6 am this morning, there is still enough to keep me amused most of the morning because it is constantly trickling in.
am kids have left so a quick half an hour in the chatroom to make sure there are no problems and have a natter with a couple of mates (Yeah, that means about an hours
am back into mods email and to the forum to attempt to read ALL the posts that are new since I last logged on.
I’ve just put the washing machine on, washing on the line and grabbed some fruit to eat for breakfast.
am I am still here working through mods email and forum postings.
Now I have to worry about that you think SaxonLogan. If I am posting as a mod or as Dawn.
Behave :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:
That is one mod, there are a number of us doing similar things all day including the work Mark puts in.
Are ya done being a WHINGER yet SaxonLogan
just the raunchy part 
Sex God
The bloodsport of newbie baiting isn't exclusive to mods, and not all mods are newbie baiters.
The difficulty the mods have is they are presumed to be in big-stick mode all the time, whereas in fact most of them would just like to get stuck in and speak their mind along with everyone else with no quarter asked or given, regardless of the fact that they happen to have an extra button or two, but everything they say is taken by some people as some sort of official proclamation. The situation isn't helped by crawling wannabes telling people not to disagree with mods. What a crock o' shite that is, they're people just the same as everyone else (except for the three heads, obviously), and if they take a few liberties now and then, well so does everyone else. I say things on here I wouldn't dare say if I were a mod, so it's not quite as one-sided as we sometimes imagine.
On balance I think as a non-mod I'm in the favourable position: If I step out of line, I get it in the neck from two or three mods - they step out of line they get it in the neck from every armchair lawyer with a keyboard, including me. :twisted:
The difficulty the mods have is they are presumed to be in big-stick mode all the time, whereas in fact most of them would just like to get stuck in and speak their mind along with everyone else with no quarter asked or given, regardless of the fact that they happen to have an extra button or two, but everything they say is taken by some people as some sort of official proclamation. The situation isn't helped by crawling wannabes telling people not to disagree with mods. What a crock o' shite that is, they're people just the same as everyone else (except for the three heads, obviously), and if they take a few liberties now and then, well so does everyone else. I say things on here I wouldn't dare say if I were a mod, so it's not quite as one-sided as we sometimes imagine.
On balance I think as a non-mod I'm in the favourable position: If I step out of line, I get it in the neck from two or three mods - they step out of line they get it in the neck from every armchair lawyer with a keyboard, including me. :twisted:
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The bloodsport of newbie baiting isn't exclusive to mods, and not all mods are newbie baiters.
The difficulty the mods have is they are presumed to be in big-stick mode all the time, whereas in fact most of them would just like to get stuck in and speak their mind along with everyone else with no quarter asked or given, regardless of the fact that they happen to have an extra button or two, but everything they say is taken by some people as some sort of official proclamation. The situation isn't helped by crawling wannabes telling people not to disagree with mods. What a crock o' shite that is, they're people just the same as everyone else (except for the three heads, obviously), and if they take a few liberties now and then, well so does everyone else. I say things on here I wouldn't dare say if I were a mod, so it's not quite as one-sided as we sometimes imagine.
On balance I think as a non-mod I'm in the favourable position: If I step out of line, I get it in the neck from two or three mods - they step out of line they get it in the neck from every armchair lawyer with a keyboard, including me. :twisted:
:huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:
Warming the Bed
I think the role of the Moderator is hugely important and sometimes as users we take for granted the difficulty in applying control measures in policing such a site as SH. As a new member from only Jan 05, (but been visiting the site for longer) I have read may forum links and threads to find that the majority of time (probably 90%) there intervention in any post has been justified and welcomed, by the originator.
In all walks of life, in our professional lives as well as home lives we all have days were we under perform and later regret items of behavior either in verbal communication or non verbal communication. What I would ask Saxon to is write down a "phrase that he uses often" and then see how many different ways the same phrase can be misconstrued. Take a typical thing like the phrase "I love you"
This can change meaning with: tone, voice, body gesture, and environment!
My point being that it’s very difficult to be firm and correct with only written context with people that you may not have actually ever seen, trying to be un-ambiguous is incredibly difficult. Hence a certain choice of context might not be agreed with by all because we may all read the same thing differently!
Lastly credit has to be given for a very difficult role, WELL DONE all Mods
In all walks of life, in our professional lives as well as home lives we all have days were we under perform and later regret items of behavior either in verbal communication or non verbal communication. What I would ask Saxon to is write down a "phrase that he uses often" and then see how many different ways the same phrase can be misconstrued. Take a typical thing like the phrase "I love you"
This can change meaning with: tone, voice, body gesture, and environment!
My point being that it’s very difficult to be firm and correct with only written context with people that you may not have actually ever seen, trying to be un-ambiguous is incredibly difficult. Hence a certain choice of context might not be agreed with by all because we may all read the same thing differently!
Lastly credit has to be given for a very difficult role, WELL DONE all Mods
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Mal, Bluexxx and Dawn.............
U r all bad people
Thats it you blonde blimbo, you can give Steve his morning bjs plus one before bed every time you are together now
:x:x:xOh you can finish his weeding as well where wearing a pair of big knickers :lol2:
OK you might need to buy some but your going to hate it
From my short time here, I believe the Mods do a good job. There has been some sarcastic replies to possible newbies which, in my opinion, could be handled differently (ie delete the offending post and warn or inform the person off forum).
If a mod is sarcastic in a post, they have the ability to lock that post, preventing your public response. When you become a mod, that is all you are seen as - never again as an ordinary member - and as such you should respond in an appropriate manner. This is something that should be remembered by all.
Bluexxx, your responses as a person/mod are a prime example of what he's "whinging" about. You have the opportunity to explain why mods do what they do, but you reply like a prat.
If a mod is sarcastic in a post, they have the ability to lock that post, preventing your public response. When you become a mod, that is all you are seen as - never again as an ordinary member - and as such you should respond in an appropriate manner. This is something that should be remembered by all.
Bluexxx, your responses as a person/mod are a prime example of what he's "whinging" about. You have the opportunity to explain why mods do what they do, but you reply like a prat.
Mod
Quote by JoeMiller
From my short time here, I believe the Mods do a good job. There has been some sarcastic replies to possible newbies which, in my opinion, could be handled differently (ie delete the offending post and warn or inform the person off forum).
If a mod is sarcastic in a post, they have the ability to lock that post, preventing your public response. When you become a mod, that is all you are seen as - never again as an ordinary member - and as such you should respond in an appropriate manner. This is something that should be remembered by all.
Bluexxx, your responses as a person/mod are a prime example of what he's "whinging" about. You have the opportunity to explain why mods do what they do, but you reply like a prat.
Wrong end of the stick here, mate. We are members the same as you or anyone else. As such we abide by the rules as everyone else does. The difference comes in when others break the rules and we have to deal with it, not at any other time. Our posts carry no more and no less weight than anyone elses. If we want to be sarcastic, we can, just as other members are allowed to be. If we want to be funny, we will, just as you may want to be. If I want to call you a prat, I will do, as long as I don't break the AUP.
Just to put it into perspective, if someone posts something that they shouldn't, more often the reason we don't just delete it and PM them is that it's more time consuming and the poster is the only person who is aware that they have done something wrong. If we leave it on/ amend it, we do it so that others are aware that we won't tolerate that particular scenario, therefore reducing the chance of someone else posting the same thing 5 minutes later and taking up more of our time dealing with it.
Remember, we are here to enjoy ourselves, just like anyone else. Why should we post differently?
Mal
mods are human Quote by G and H
I think the problem with the newbies lays within themselves. I had 2 posts locked simply because I did not read the rules properly and that is my fault and one of the mods. If
they would write a PM or explanation to every mistake we make they would hardly have enough time to moderate.
Round of applause there, G & H.
Thanks for your opinion and honesty.
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Bluexxx, your responses as a person/mod are a prime example of what he's "whinging" about. You have the opportunity to explain why mods do what they do, but you reply like a prat.
Ducks for cover
In all honesty the mods have to deal with alot of crap from newbies and oldies alike,if people read the AUP,read posts properly and didn't post mundane crap they wouldn't have to take so much stick!
