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On New Years Eve me and Mrs777 decided ( against my better judgement ) to go into London, for the celebrations. We had never been before and it was something we had talked about.
Well at about 8ish we left to head for Charring x on the train. On the train there were obviously high numbers of youths drinking and in high spirits. It was loud but all in good spirits...no pun intended. lol
We arrived at Charring x at about nine and headed off to get something to eat. Mcdonalds seemed like a good idea. It was rammed in there, but we mangaed to eat something and head off to find a viewing point.
By now it was getting very busy and there was an abundance of police on duty. We asked a nice bobby where a good point would be and he directed us to a turning which led down to the Embankment along the Thames.
We got there and everyone was in a good mood. Yes a few drunks but all laughing and singing. We found our viewing spot just close to the London Eye, and right next to the Embankment station, which we thought would make it easier to go home that way. The station was closed but was under the impression it would re-open at , to let people get to Charring x that way.
We waited for two hours in the freezing cold for New Year to arrive. By then our feet were numb and we was cold through but....when it came Wow. The firework display was just unbelievable, and the crowd were brilliant. At we went to the station, which was still closed, only to be told that it was to remain that way and the only route back to Charring x was the route we had taken to get there by.
Then the fun started. A journey that would normally take ten minutes, took over two hours. The Police in whatever wisdom they thought would be safe, made the journey back to the station dangerous. They herded thousands and thousands down a small side street, to get everyone to the main line and underground stations.
There were people as far as the eye could see, both behind and in front. People were going nowhere but still drunken idiots continued to push forward, causing a crush effect further up. I at one point got seriously concerned for our safety. It was dangerous and I thought someone was going to get seriously hurt, or worse.
The organisation by the Police to get people to the stations, was at best ignorant and at worse madness. There were people there with young kids in that enviroment, and with that ammount of people was plain crazy.
The atmosphere changed hugely after midnight from a happy one, to a drunken orgy of ferel thugs, too pissed to care about others safety. I understand people want a drink and fun but the ferel piss heads and their drunken behaviour, could have had serious implications, for the innocents who were there.
I will be writing to the police to air my views, as this was not the first year they had done these celebrations. The organisational skills were absent, and whilst it was the public that was making things dangerous, why they shut ALL routes to the stations, except one small side street is madness. They even shut the main entrance to the station.
After that madness that took place and peoples inability to control their behavour, and their drink, I will never ever go there again. I also urge anyone else who may be thinking of going next year or any other year, to avoid it like the plague. Especially avoid even contemplating taking young kids.
How nobody was killed I think was down to pure luck, but people were being carried out of the crowd, so some must have been at least injured.
Pure madness and if that is peoples idea of a good night out, then they are welcome to it. Drink and loads of people do NOT make a good combination.
I tend to avoid places where there are large crowds, as football used to be like that in the 70's, and Hillsborough tells us what large ammounts of people herded into a confined space can do. One year I am now convinced, a similar thing will happen in London.
The behaviour of a lot of the people there, through their drinking was disgusting. I also read the papers today and found out it was not only London which suffered the same kind of mindless thugs, which through drink, put others lives on the line.
Well from now on they are welcome to act that way, but we will not be there to witness it anytime in the future. If that is the best the police can do, then God help people next year, because I feel someone will get killed there.
Also anyone of those drunken pigs who was pushing and causing the problems, I hope they have such a shitty 2009, and huge bad luck.
Was anybody actually killed or injured?
Not seen anything on the news
Dave_Notts
Quote by Dave__Notts
Was anybody actually killed or injured?
Not seen anything on the news
Dave_Notts

Have you actually read what I have written?
im sorry new years eve was marred for you.
a friend of mine had always wanted to go to london to see the new year in,her huby treated her to it last year.
she pretty much had the same exprience, the fireworks she said were amazing but afterwards it was hell,
drunken people, pushing, roads closed down, and then idiots started throwing firworks into the crowds.
quite a few people were injured,several more terrified.
maybe they couldnt afford enough police to monitor more streets?
i stay in newyears eve, i hate crowds to the extent you cant move.
i hope the rest of the year turns out better for you
xxfem xx
Thankyou Fem.
My main points in my post was the police and more importantly peoples inabilites to control their drink, to such an extent it endangers peoples lives.
I was told the fireworks were amazing... my friend was lucky enough to be invited to a roof party of a local hotel overlooking the fireworks, so had no trouble with crowds.
Sorry to hear your night ended that way after a lovely evening.
Quote by kentswingers777
Was anybody actually killed or injured?
Not seen anything on the news
Dave_Notts

Have you actually read what I have written?
Yep and didn't read if anybody was killed or injured.
Were there?
Dave_Notts
I think I know the side street that you speak of Kent. I'm astonished that the police herded everyone up there. It's a tiny narrow little street. That sounded like a disaster waiting to happen.
Couldn't agree more about the drunken behaviour. It wrecks it for everyone and can be so dangerous. One of the reasons I stay in on New Years eve. Sorry to hear you had a bad time of it after such good fire works. Hope the rest of the year is better for you.
Quote by Dave__Notts
Was anybody actually killed or injured?
Not seen anything on the news
Dave_Notts

Have you actually read what I have written?
Yep and didn't read if anybody was killed or injured.
Were there?
Dave_Notts
Maybe not killed but people were certainly injured.
Because you did not read about it, does not mean it did not happen.
Sometimes I think you are being deliberatly smug, just for the sake of it. It does not suit ya!!!
Kent ......... NY Eve was horrible here too ...... at times I had to queue to get to the Fridge!!! :giggle:
Glad you got home safe eventually & HNY! kiss
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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I think I know the side street that you speak of Kent. I'm astonished that the police herded everyone up there. It's a tiny narrow little street. That sounded like a disaster waiting to happen.
Couldn't agree more about the drunken behaviour. It wrecks it for everyone and can be so dangerous. One of the reasons I stay in on New Years eve. Sorry to hear you had a bad time of it after such good fire works. Hope the rest of the year is better for you.

It seemed like a disaster waiting to happen from this end too.
It was worse than any football match I have ever been too. I have been to hundreds, and the crowd control was awful on New Years Eve.
Why do they only do things properly when a disaster happens? My opinion is a disaster is just waiting to happen there.
Thanks I am sure our New Year will get better.....well I hope so. lol
Quote by kentswingers777
It was worse than any football match I have ever been too. I have been to hundreds, and the crowd control was awful on New Years Eve.

I'd say crowd control is good at football matches, but then that is because the police set out with a view to controlling from the start, and are well practiced at it.
wouldnt it be obvious that problems with people in drunken high spirits, innefective crowd control, cold weather, public transport problems and the like are going to happen in London on New Years eve?
I would have thought they would have been patently obvious......
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wouldnt it be obvious that problems with people in drunken high spirits, innefective crowd control, cold weather, public transport problems and the like are going to happen in London on New Years eve?
I would have thought they would have been patently obvious......

On what basis?
I have been to places on New Years Eve before where people are in " drunken high spirits ", but have not endangered others.
I would have thought, and obviously never been before, that the police would have learned from many years about " effective crowd control ".
There were NO " transport problems " at all. It was just getting to the trains that was the problem!
Chatting to many people on the way home, who had also been to the celebrations, their thoughts were the same as ours. Why would it be so obvious that going to London to see in the New Year, would put peoples safety in danger?
The police made the situation much more dangerous than it should have been, and believe it or not both myself and Mrs777 are intelligent people, who did not think it would be " patently obvious ", it would end like that.
Seeing as you have a crystal ball there, you want to give me tommorows lottery numbers?
Quote by kentswingers777
wouldnt it be obvious that problems with people in drunken high spirits, innefective crowd control, cold weather, public transport problems and the like are going to happen in London on New Years eve?
I would have thought they would have been patently obvious......

On what basis?
I have been to places on New Years Eve before where people are in " drunken high spirits ", but have not endangered others.
I would have thought, and obviously never been before, that the police would have learned from many years about " effective crowd control ".
There were NO " transport problems " at all. It was just getting to the trains that was the problem!
Chatting to many people on the way home, who had also been to the celebrations, their thoughts were the same as ours. Why would it be so obvious that going to London to see in the New Year, would put peoples safety in danger?
The police made the situation much more dangerous than it should have been, and believe it or not both myself and Mrs777 are intelligent people, who did not think it would be " patently obvious ", it would end like that.
Seeing as you have a crystal ball there, you want to give me tommorows lottery numbers?
the short answer is that its called common sense......and patently obvious to me because i am blessed with plenty of it.
the long answer....look at the facts.
-large numbers of people were descending onto the streets.
-a reason to celebrate/relaxed alcohol laws
-the metropolitan police involvement
-reliance on the london underground
-historic problems in the capital of people taking things too far( it used to be mayhem in Trafalgar square every year... resulting in previous cancellations of festivities.
you have posted previously your views on the state of the country and the people in it who cause you annoyance.....well, maybe , on the occasions you get out of your ivory tower, you are actually going to bump into some of them.....it sounds to me like this was exactly what happened.
there must have been a reason behind your apparent reluctance to go in the first place.... would you care to elaborate why you were against it? ( first line of your orig post)
any sensible person, used to going out into a town /city in the UK on NYE is naive to say the least if they totally discount the possibility of what you experienced...... or even worse, happening.
so you had a crappy NYE... join the club.....loads of people did... and many of those who were where you were seemingly enjoyed themselves....
to be honest.... i dont believe i should have to enter into a long debate with you Kent... ive tried it before, and you rant a little too much for my liking... so, take on board my comments if you like, but your probably wasting your time in expecting me to ping pong back and forward with you on this one.
as my Granny used to say... " you pays yer money and you take your choice"
oh... " and theres no point moaning over spilt milk"
happy new year by the way.....
Kent I have taken my children up to London for the fireworks a couple of times now on new years eve and have never had any problems. But we have driven and parked near blackfrairs and walked the rest of the journey. We also went up for the Queens birthday celebrations with the children to the mail when they had the concert on big screen. It was really busy getting back to the station but we did expect that so planned to hold on to the children in case we lost them. It is to be expected the amount of people at these types of events are going to be huge and some would be drinking etc. But I have never seen and trouble.
Should have stayed in and moaned at home :-)
{1}Had a great evening.
{2}I was waited on hand and foot.
{3}As much food and drink as I could manage.
{4}Fantastic entertainment.
{5}Escorted home free of charge.
dee
Went to my neighbours to keep and eye on her child and mine.
Kids supplied me with crisps,chocolate and lemonade.
Watching the pair of them on Wii games was hilarious.
At the end of the evening {4am new years day} Rich brought me home {all 10ft}
lol
Quote by Rich_and_dee
{1}Had a great evening.
{2}I was waited on hand and foot.
{3}As much food and drink as I could manage.
{4}Fantastic entertainment.
{5}Escorted home free of charge.
dee
Went to my neighbours to keep and eye on her child and mine.
Kids supplied me with crisps,chocolate and lemonade.
Watching the pair of them on Wii games was hilarious.
At the end of the evening {4am new years day} Rich brought me home {all 10ft}
lol

Now theres a girl whos glass is half full ;=)
Somebody i know, was actually beaten to death in the street on NYE in my area.
Personally, I don't like NYE... so i don't actually go out on it anymore. Instead i now go to 1 of my fiends who are having there own parties.
Lil
Edinburgh city centre is heaving on NYE as you can probably imagine. I'm not sure of the statistics but I'd hedge my bets that there are more tourists than locals! wink
I can see the fireworks from my flat so don't usually go out but since I had guests I decided not to drink so that we could go up to the Braids which over looks the city and watch the fireworks from there. We did and it was fab.
It was busier than I thought it would be, but that's probably cause the locals had the same idea rather than going into the city, paying for a ticket to get into a pub which every other day of the year is free, being crammed in with millions of other people, freezing and with no decent toilet facilities. If you get split from your mates, finding them again is an issue and has the potential to ruin your evening. However, everyone who chose to do that knew all those things before they went. :wink:
The Police here I'm sure do a great job but the one and only year I ventured into the centre was a disaster... granted it was way back when it wasn't the most popular place to come but they still hadn't a clue and it wouldn't surprise me if there were injuries that year other than the usual drunken silliness. It would appear they've gotten better at it as the years have passed cause I've not really heard anything on the news about any incidents. It would seem everyone had a good time.
As did we! :mrgreen:
We ventured into town yesterday, after the cleanup and it was relatively busy but not unbearable.
Quote by kentswingers777
Maybe not killed but people were certainly injured.
Now we have ascertained that nobody was killed........thats why I didn't read about it.
Because you did not read about it, does not mean it did not happen.
I never said it didn't dunno
Sometimes I think you are being deliberatly smug, just for the sake of it. It does not suit ya!!!
:laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove:
Smug at what? I was asking a question as it sounded a horrendous thing you had gone through but couldn't find anything in the papers. I felt sorry for you and was trying to clarify what had happened. But......if thats the way you wish to think then thats your choice.

Dave_Notts
Quote by DeeCee
wouldnt it be obvious that problems with people in drunken high spirits, innefective crowd control, cold weather, public transport problems and the like are going to happen in London on New Years eve?
I would have thought they would have been patently obvious......

On what basis?
I have been to places on New Years Eve before where people are in " drunken high spirits ", but have not endangered others.
I would have thought, and obviously never been before, that the police would have learned from many years about " effective crowd control ".
There were NO " transport problems " at all. It was just getting to the trains that was the problem!
Chatting to many people on the way home, who had also been to the celebrations, their thoughts were the same as ours. Why would it be so obvious that going to London to see in the New Year, would put peoples safety in danger?
The police made the situation much more dangerous than it should have been, and believe it or not both myself and Mrs777 are intelligent people, who did not think it would be " patently obvious ", it would end like that.
Seeing as you have a crystal ball there, you want to give me tommorows lottery numbers?
the short answer is that its called common sense......and patently obvious to me because i am blessed with plenty of it.
the long answer....look at the facts.
-large numbers of people were descending onto the streets.
-a reason to celebrate/relaxed alcohol laws
-the metropolitan police involvement
-reliance on the london underground
-historic problems in the capital of people taking things too far( it used to be mayhem in Trafalgar square every year... resulting in previous cancellations of festivities.
you have posted previously your views on the state of the country and the people in it who cause you annoyance.....well, maybe , on the occasions you get out of your ivory tower, you are actually going to bump into some of them.....it sounds to me like this was exactly what happened.
there must have been a reason behind your apparent reluctance to go in the first place.... would you care to elaborate why you were against it? ( first line of your orig post)
any sensible person, used to going out into a town /city in the UK on NYE is naive to say the least if they totally discount the possibility of what you experienced...... or even worse, happening.
so you had a crappy NYE... join the club.....loads of people did... and many of those who were where you were seemingly enjoyed themselves....
to be honest.... i dont believe i should have to enter into a long debate with you Kent... ive tried it before, and you rant a little too much for my liking... so, take on board my comments if you like, but your probably wasting your time in expecting me to ping pong back and forward with you on this one.
as my Granny used to say... " you pays yer money and you take your choice"
oh... " and theres no point moaning over spilt milk"
happy new year by the way.....
Your points have been taken on board. Just to point something out though we did enjoy our New Years Eve, just the latter part was not enjoyable.
My reluctance to go mainly was that it was freezing, and I do not like being cold, and that is an honest reason why I had my doubts about going.
Ending on that note, I wish you a Happy New Year too.