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Now don't get me wrong, I have been trying to break into the swinging scene for the past three years all to no avail........so am i missing the point.
Now before you sigh saying 'here we go again' i am not going to moan about the typical bloke things like 'does anyone ever meet', 'how do i get a shag', because i know that's not the point of the site and i also know that people do. But where do single blokes go.
You see I was a member of another site but seemed to be totally couple orientated so i thought i would give this one a go. I met a few couples from the other site and i know all about the thousands of emails couples and females get, but why put on your profile will reply to all when you don't.
Now like any good business this site puts the best goods are put at the front, but until you pay your money you don't actually know if the site is good until you pay your money.....so i paid up.
This is where i realized this is exactly the same as the other site i was on. But enthused by being on a new site brings new hope off i went exploring.
A good profile first, good pictures, well the best my looks can offer, a full description with some funnies. Done. Advert next......full, comprehensive with pictures. Done.
So where do i go to find some fun....chat room first. I very quickly discovered that the chat rooms are like school playgrounds. All the chatters sit around in their groups staring at the other groups of chatters and politely saying hello to the new people then ignoring them.
I know i thought, check my advert....some views but no replies......be patient. So off to the quick ads, now i was hesitant at first as it seems to be full of TVs, Cd's and bi men....but god loves a trier. I post a short to the point ad with a nice picture.......nothing. Post another one just seeing if anyone wants to meet for a beer, nothing.
So against my better judgement i decided to 'fly email' a few couples and single females. Now don't get me wrong, i was very scientific about it, i only emailed the people that checked out my profile or who appeared in the 'you might be interested in bar'. No replies.
Mmmmmmm i know forums next......after some browsing i decide on the 'let me introduce myself' posts, post something nice.....two replies....not bad for a site that has over a million members in fact the same two people who say hello to everyone.....thanks. So into the cafe, it sounds nice, post a topic and then it hits me. You see the forums is just like the chat rooms with a time delay, all the posts were a particular group of forum people talking about it to one another.
So where next, i know a story. So one night i carefully craft a story and post it, it gets about 600 views but only one reply from a fella who said 'fancy a fuck'....now i know how couples and females feel.
So back into the forums....and there i find it. Sanctuary for the single man, the 'lets meet up' posts....in fact lots of single me all with messages with no replies.
So here i sit waiting for a passing couple or female to pick me out.
So where does a single bloke go....i know you are all going to say go to a meet, well they seem to be all up north and i cant afford all the hotel rooms. Now next i know you are going to say organize your own, well how can i if i don't know anyone, it would a pretty sad meet standing in a pub with a load of single blokes, funny but sad.
So after all of that waffle does anyone know if and how i can get a refund...... wink
TRIGG
Don't give up yet smile
Find a chat room that's local to you - if there isn't a regular one, open one up and see if there's a demand for it. Persist with chat, always takes a while to get to know people. Make idle chit chat - weather always works for me :lol2: Don't worry if it only guys that answer you - they maybe in the same boat as yourself and don't know anyone. Make some friends, even if guys, fem's that don't meet or couples that aren't interesting in meeting you. It doesn't matter - its friendships that may get you further here than anything else.
Keep an eye out for local socials - so you don't have to travel far.
Keep posting in the forum and get to know people better. You never know what comes from that.
Your profile's great. You seem like a sound bloke. Stick with it :)
Good luck biggrin
Thanks for you ideas and suggestions.....i am no where near ready to give up yet and will try some of the things you suggest.
Trigg
Quote by trigg732
Thanks for you ideas and suggestions.....i am no where near ready to give up yet and will try some of the things you suggest.
Trigg
Goodo :thumbup:
By the way - its piddling it down here :lol2:
What a great post Trigg :thumbup: I think you eloquently put down how a great deal of what single guys feel and experience. Obviously if your a single fem you have what most people want and thats what your sat on. Lets not piss about its about sex in the end and when most of joined up in the first place it was thinking along those lines.
As the male half of a couple I consider myself, to a degree fortunate in that respect because as a bloke I get to come along as part of the package. After all its the female of the couple thats in most demand so I get to tag along on a hangers on ticket. I'm philosophic about it and find myself at ease with the thought but an awful lot of guys aren't comfy with it but i'm telling them Fella's without your Mrs's's' most of you would find it far harder in swingworld than you would ever believe, If you don't believe....ask most single guy.
Of course there are the exceptional guys who find swings easy but they are usually finding it easier because they got lucky initially and by means of the jungle telegraph, if they're any good, they go on from there. Otherwise its a case of fuck off fit body with massive cock which is usually accompanied with an arsehole personality that you cab just about stand for the duration of a half decent fuck but actually you'd rather him not stay for coffee afterwards because life is too short and you'd hate for him to see you yawn.
so trigg all i can say is do what your doing and you may get lucky one day, I really hope you do to, and please believe me as the bloke half of Lost I know how lucky I am and I don't take it for granted.
As for a refund....Your seriously having a laugh aint ya rotflmao
Just one point i would like to make is that the site can be great for just chatting and to be honest the more "natural" you chat the more of a chance you'll get positive feedback through the forums or the chatrooms. It doesn't work coming across all fawning and bullshitty, over the top compliments usually only work on the deluded or the pissed. It will take an age it might seem to get noticed as a single guy in these places but take a look at those single guys that are chatting away all the time to anyone and everyone and see how they are. A lot of these guys will get a pleasure just from the uninhibited chat with others, and you'll find they get to hangout socially with swingers and from that just maybe they will get into the "scene". It could take years but hey what they got to lose? Nothing, and what they got to gain? Lots of pussy action and sexciting times.
Quote by Kaznkev
Got to agree with anais
I dont know bout the chat rooms you use, but where i hang out i say hi to single guys and if they make the effort to join in the banter they seem to have a gd time
About the forums, yes they can seem a bit clique, but that is deceptive, i am relativly new to the site and i have become a regular just by dint of being interested and gobby,
Getting known does matter im afraid to say, wether we are meeting as a couple or seperatly we are going to choose someone who excites or interests us, how you go about that is up to you,
but the ppl who have intruiged me enough to want to meet have done so thru chat/the cafe/current affairs and jff,
Yes all over in fact, but the one thing they have in commen is they all were themselves and stood out

You think? .........it helps you have tits!
bolt
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Quote by Kaznkev
Got to agree with anais
I dont know bout the chat rooms you use, but where i hang out i say hi to single guys and if they make the effort to join in the banter they seem to have a gd time
About the forums, yes they can seem a bit clique, but that is deceptive, i am relativly new to the site and i have become a regular just by dint of being interested and gobby,
Getting known does matter im afraid to say, wether we are meeting as a couple or seperatly we are going to choose someone who excites or interests us, how you go about that is up to you,
but the ppl who have intruiged me enough to want to meet have done so thru chat/the cafe/current affairs and jff,
Yes all over in fact, but the one thing they have in commen is they all were themselves and stood out

You think? .........it helps you have tits!
bolt
biggrin

oi i said regular not popular!
And wat u doing looking at my tits you a voyeur or summat! :twisted:
I have never been or ever will be an entrance lobby! :D
Quote by brucie
joking aside, i had a look at your profile. its not a science its totally subjective and different profiles attract different people. i dont take my profile very seriously because i personally dont think anyone chooses a fuck on here by their profile. they check your profile out after you have caught their eye. having said that, id get rid of the cock shots, the girls seem to prefer face shots and id make it a little shorter and remove anything that may be construed as a whinge or negative. whilst i understand your sentiments and honestly you come accross as a decent bloke this thread for example is a little whiney...
apart from that just hang out for the banter and youll be surprised that there are actually some rewards to be gained here.
oh and ill pm you a list of the women im working on at the moment. stay the fuck away from them!

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
OK who are you and what have you done with the real brucie? :huh:
You cad!!!! If you've hurt him ....erm..... :uhoh: redface think I'll leave it there actually. :giggle:
posting in the main cafe is a good start, i never would have taken a look see at your profile otherwise.
now if i was slim and lived closer i woudl have considered some light banter and flirting and maybe even a pm.
the profile is lovely, sorry lovely sounds wet. its a good profile and nice pics, although i like the body shot i dont like the urinals in the background.
i dont know what advice i can give, but ensure you fit someones expectations before messaging them, hang out in a chat room, banter around the forums, that sif you like teh social side.
there are different types on here, some who never use chat rooms or the forums and will hunt out the ads and profiles when they are seeking asingle male, they may then see how active they are on teh site to get a rounded feel for who they are and good forum posts may help?
i know i will be shot down in flames, but i have found alot of teh single ladies are um larger, so that will rule out alot of ladies who will see your profile and message you, alot of the others wont cosider them selves slim even if they are lol so again might not message you. but dont change that cause if slim is what you are attracted to dont settle for something else as the spark wont be there and it will be picked up on.
and the introduce forum, well i think its pants, i refuse to go in there. i think it alinates (sp) more newbies than welcomes them, as the regulers get tired of constantly saying hello,so stop doing it. much better just to have a hello thread in the cafe forum in my opinion.
good luck,
xx fem xx
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"although i like the body shot i dont like the urinals in the background."
proves my point. some chicks would go crazeeeeee for toilet sex.

Toilet sex? isn't that dangerous? I mean you could easily slip and get your foot stuck round the bend, or you could end up with the toilet duck stuck somewhere you don't want it stuck.
As with all things in life Trigg, the good things take time to achieve.
As stated in previous replies to your thread the site has a number of ways available to achieve your goal. Posting in the forum, the Chatrooms, replying to the adds etc. each has its own fan-base. Some of us even use all of them! :smile2:
After looking at your profile, check out the Surrey or Southcoast rooms usually on Chat1, they're usually a good bunch of people. Join in with the 'general banter' and make connections. It's a good idea not to enter a room and post "look at me wanking on cam" it a turn-off for nearly everyone including the males! or the'classic - who's looking for a shag?'. If that's your approach join a room that more closely suits eg Wankers on Cam. For most rooms the 'normal rules of conversation' apply - say hi, follow the chat threads and join in when you feel comfortable..
Check out the Events section for socials / parties etc or the Lets Meet forum and get yourself along to a few socials and get yourself known as 'genuine' and as a 'contributor' to the scene.
Create an ad(s) for the different sections that appeal in the Photo Ads and update them regularly - the trick here is to keep your ad(s) on the 1st couple of pages that people search. If you don't your ad will slip down the pages.
Look at the Club page and see which are local to you - there are monthly SH events held at both Abfabs / Eurekas and Hellfire which are all fairly close to you.
If you are looking for a particular 'fettish' then look in the Groups for groups of likeminded SH people.
Search the 'profiles' for people in your local area that meet the criteria you're loooking for - read their profile carefully and formulate an individual reply that aligns you to what they are looking for.
Above all - it takes TIME and EFFORT, the more you put in the more you'll get out...
Quote by P1ayMate
"although i like the body shot i dont like the urinals in the background."
proves my point. some chicks would go crazeeeeee for toilet sex.

Toilet sex? isn't that dangerous? I mean you could easily slip and get your foot stuck round the bend, or you could end up with the toilet duck stuck somewhere you don't want it stuck.
rotflmao :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Think he got confused with the word "Ballcock" :lol2:
Profile is fine- in fact, I'd go so far as saying good. I would if I wasn't a lard arse- high praise indeed coming from me. wink
Don't give up on the chatrooms. I don't venture in there anymore, but after having put on something of a show one night, I was drawn to someone in there who was polite, respectful and amusing. He was a single guy, had only just joined, and within a couple of days I'd driven through the snow to his flat & banged his brains out- just on the strength of a bit of chatroom banter. It can happen. :thumbup:
Stick around, lose the time frame, relax, and be yourself. Good luck.
I can only echo what others have already said, good profile, great selection of pics, and your personality does seem to come through both in your profile and your postings.
Just one thing to remember is that the number of single guys on any site like this always way out number the couples/single ladies looking to meet up. Therefore you have to stand out from the crowd. Your profile and pics do stand out, but you now have to get people to come along and see them. Personally I dont go into the photo ads, but I would look at profiles of people who post regularly in the forums (joining in with the banter) or who are in the chatrooms I use. So get yourself known.
You could also try one of the socials which sometimes are organised, and that way you can meet people in a non-swinging evironment. Not everyone always wants to just meet up and some prefer to meet socially first.
What ever you do, dont give up and keep on posting/chatting wink
Give up, save your subscription fee and spend it in a knocking shop
Quote by trigg732
Now don't get me wrong, I have been trying to break into the swinging scene for the past three years all to no avail........so am i missing the point.
Now before you sigh saying 'here we go again' i am not going to moan about the typical bloke things like 'does anyone ever meet', 'how do i get a shag', because i know that's not the point of the site and i also know that people do. But where do single blokes go.
You see I was a member of another site but seemed to be totally couple orientated so i thought i would give this one a go. I met a few couples from the other site and i know all about the thousands of emails couples and females get, but why put on your profile will reply to all when you don't.
Now like any good business this site puts the best goods are put at the front, but until you pay your money you don't actually know if the site is good until you pay your money.....so i paid up.
This is where i realized this is exactly the same as the other site i was on. But enthused by being on a new site brings new hope off i went exploring.
A good profile first, good pictures, well the best my looks can offer, a full description with some funnies. Done. Advert next......full, comprehensive with pictures. Done.
So where do i go to find some fun....chat room first. I very quickly discovered that the chat rooms are like school playgrounds. All the chatters sit around in their groups staring at the other groups of chatters and politely saying hello to the new people then ignoring them.
I know i thought, check my advert....some views but no replies......be patient. So off to the quick ads, now i was hesitant at first as it seems to be full of TVs, Cd's and bi men....but god loves a trier. I post a short to the point ad with a nice picture.......nothing. Post another one just seeing if anyone wants to meet for a beer, nothing.
So against my better judgement i decided to 'fly email' a few couples and single females. Now don't get me wrong, i was very scientific about it, i only emailed the people that checked out my profile or who appeared in the 'you might be interested in bar'. No replies.
Mmmmmmm i know forums next......after some browsing i decide on the 'let me introduce myself' posts, post something nice.....two replies....not bad for a site that has over a million members in fact the same two people who say hello to everyone.....thanks. So into the cafe, it sounds nice, post a topic and then it hits me. You see the forums is just like the chat rooms with a time delay, all the posts were a particular group of forum people talking about it to one another.
So where next, i know a story. So one night i carefully craft a story and post it, it gets about 600 views but only one reply from a fella who said 'fancy a fuck'....now i know how couples and females feel.
So back into the forums....and there i find it. Sanctuary for the single man, the 'lets meet up' posts....in fact lots of single me all with messages with no replies.
So here i sit waiting for a passing couple or female to pick me out.
So where does a single bloke go....i know you are all going to say go to a meet, well they seem to be all up north and i cant afford all the hotel rooms. Now next i know you are going to say organize your own, well how can i if i don't know anyone, it would a pretty sad meet standing in a pub with a load of single blokes, funny but sad.
So after all of that waffle does anyone know if and how i can get a refund...... wink
TRIGG

:welcome::welcome::welcome:
Quote by brucie
"i cant afford all the hotel rooms"
therein lies your problem. girls like money and success ;-)

I dont agree with that Brucie - no man has ever paid for me
Hey.....
Thank you all for your comments.....i will take some of your advice and change what seems to be the obvious.....like the photos......which have been changed already.
I will be patient...after all i have paid for a year and a refund seems unlikely.......so will grit my teeth and keep trying all the things that you suggest until i get noticed....
speak to you all soon
TRIGG
xxx
Help one person everyday and everyday you would have helped yourself
Hey.....
Thank you all for your comments.....i will take some of your advice and change what seems to be the obvious.....like the photos......which have been changed already.
I will be patient...after all i have paid for a year and a refund seems unlikely.......so will grit my teeth and keep trying all the things that you suggest until i get noticed....
speak to you all soon
TRIGG
xxx
Help one person everyday and everyday you would have helped yourself
Hello,
Well, as a few people have said - we're just massively on the wrong end of the numbers. It probably will be that way on every swinging site you ever go on.
If I'm honest, I always found it immensely difficult to meet people, or even to get replies. That's just the way it is. In all probability you'll find it extremely difficult. I have met a few people though. One of the best people I've met off any site came as a result of getting involved in random conversations on this site - I think if people get to see enough of your personality to decide they like it, it kind of shortcuts the process a lot. You have an advantage over many in that you can obviously write and think. This is good. As one straight man to another, you're also decent looking (for myself I would feel reserved about putting my face pic on my public profile, but good luck to you).
Having been on the other end of the numbers (I was, for one glorious year in the sun, on here as part of a couple, with, although it pains me to admit it, a very hot ex) - it's surprisingly actually not that much easier to meet the people you're looking for. Here's how it goes from the other end: you put up an ad for single guys and within days you've received maybe a hundred replies; you then spend a couple of days sifting through those and the 50 more you get during the time it takes you to go through the first hundred, dismissing anyone who looks like a psycho or who has only posted a cock shot or who lives too far away* or who the lady knows she won't feel attracted to. Whittle it down to twenty or so, about half of whom will rule themselves out by either not replying to your reply or making some kind of nonsense response. You'll arrange meets with maybe ten guys, over a few weeks; three of them will cancel or not turn up, or try to reschedule, which is difficult, because your social schedule is pretty full now trying to meet all the guys who are still positives. You'll have three meets. You'll probably decide you're not attracted to one guy, and one guy seems a bit weird, like he might be a serial killer or something, and you don't feel that good inviting him into your house to fuck your girlfriend, anyway. So you'll end up meeting the one guy who had decent pictures of himself, you came across like a decent human being, who turned up when he said he was going to and looked like his pictures when he did. And you'll probably have fun, woohoo!
That's the way it worked - out of about two or three hundred replies we got over the course of a year, we actually met and fucked one single guy (and probably two or three couples, and people we met at swinging clubs). For quite a large amount of effort. Yeah - there were a couple of occasions where we went through that whole cycle and then at the end of it it didn't work out at all. Which gets a bit disheartening.
So when playing as a single guy (I'm not playing, currently), you have to be aware that anyone you're writing to is getting a hundred emails, mainly from twats. You have to make sure you get onto the shortlist, then you're in with a chance.
I would say (as someone else did) remove anything from your profile that looks like a whinge. Yes the numbers are against you - they always will be, and in all honesty you probably knew that would be the case before you paid your money. So get over it and get stuck in. There will probably be a munch in your area within about six months, although to be honest if it's a shag your looking for (this being a swinging site and all) that's not exactly the holy grail. I would also reduce the length of your profile by about half. I reckon most people won't read that much, and you don't need to say that much anyway.
And then write to more people. Reply to ads, ones that seem applicable of course. Don't be shy.
Good luck!
T
*even if they say they're willing to drive a long way to meet you, you don't really want them to because there's always a good chance than in person, you just won't be that attracted, which wouldn't be fair on them. We actually tried to keep a London list, so that if we went down for a weekend we could try to meet one or more of the guys who'd replied from there. Didn't work.
Christ, I write too much.
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Christ, I write too much.

No, you definitely don't.
It is great to see you posting again. :thumbup:
On any Site, you will get the problem of "no reply" from a good number of people - just let it be "water off a duck's back".
Plim wink