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Woman wanted. Wanton and hungry with a love of watching cock disappear inside her.
Deal with this one at the end
A woman who is happy to show off her body and be vocal in how good it feels.
Not what you want to say of coures, just what I want to hear.
Preferably a woman who comes quite easily, repetatively and gets wet at the slightest thought of sex and the taste of cum.
Because I really do not want to put any work into this, and cannot be bothered with all this foreplay crap.
I love fucking, sucking, slapping.. moderate role play
So I will allow you to do all these to me.
.. proper sexy underwear (sorry, no Anne Summers specials), high heels, light restraint (both ways), dirty talk, toys... You - 20-43, attractive and in good shape, preferably quite stylish when you've got your clothes on. Me - 30, tall and attractive and in good shape, stylish in my own rock and roll way (I look good but don't wear suits)
You - spend hours getting ready. Me - will grab whatever is at the top of the washing basket.
Your Partner, if you have one, fine to watch or join in.
oo! oo! Kit look - there is a nice man who says he will let me have sex with you.
All penetration to be safe.
I think you are safe from us.
In summary "I want a woman who will do everything to turn me on, but does expect me to do anything to turn her on"
Am I being harsh?
lhk
Kat
P.S.
Woman wanted. Wanton and hungry with a love of watching cock disappear inside her.
Cos it is so small that is the only way she will know it is in there! :twisted:
ive not constructed an add yet to go on the sight i have decided to wait a bit and perhaps learn a little about advert construction having seen some of the terrible efforts posted.(and the flaming descent to hades that follows thereafter).
however i guess if you wouldnt walkup to a person in the street and say it you really shouldnt say it in you advert. as in my experience the lines above would result in svere violence if used one on one so why do muppets (no offence Jags) think they will work online. do women suddenly transform into idiots when using a computer and loose all inhibitions or taste. i think not.
so i'll bide my time and sculpt a stunner of an ad. (probably)
I'm so glad that someone else was annoyed by the cheek of that post! I didn't reply to it cos I've done a lot of slagging off posts and locking them when they get useless, and I'm conscious that people might be getting a bit pissed off by the same old, same old from the mods.... therefore I left it and moved on, smug in the knowledge that no-one would take it seriously anyway.
I reckon we should have a thread where we slag off all the silly posts.... oh, the fun that could be had.... OK, now maybe that is a bit to harsh! rolleyes
Quote by bigtrucker
and the flaming descent to hades that follows thereafter
lol
so i'll bide my time and sculpt a stunner of an ad.
You just did BT. Your post tells people more about the things they really need to know than all the "VVVVVWE" rubbish.
I reckon we should have a thread where we slag off all the silly posts.... oh, the fun that could be had....
Nope, I think you are right Blue, much better to quote them in the cafe to slag off , than to post on the original.
We should also have a "What a cracking ad string though" to show off the good 'uns.
Tell people what you want, not what you don't want (Nonviolent Communication - Marshall B. Rosenberg published by PuddleDancer Press) (That is another Google search that will bring people to the site! :lol: )
lhk
Bigtrucker...
That's an EXCELLENT point about not saying in an ad what you wouldn't to a stranger in the street. Methinks you've got exactly the right tack on things.
I saw it too! But like Blue, I realised I'd spent more than my fair share of time in public whinging. rolleyes
Sometimes I think the flaw is in how certain men (and a few women), view the opposite sex in general. If you have put little thought into what goes to construct a fellow human being, you are unlikely to put the required amount of thought and effort into approaching them sexually.
Hxx
I was going through a phase where I would make a comment about most crappy posts. But then I thought I really couldn't be arsed, there was too many of them!
As for somewhere to post the 'good' ones, just follow the link!!! You might have missed it KitKat, cos you were recovering from the Munch whilst those left behind did all the work!!
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/8087.html
Mal
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From your rather cynical view of my posted ad I shall take hints, but also umbrage at your badly judged presumptions.
I certainly don't just grab whatever's at the top of the washing basket - by saying that I don't wear a suit is to give you an indication that my style is not uptight and 'smart casual' - that awful blood curdling phrase, but sylish and fashionable without being teenage.
The comment about the partner - I thought it was obvious that I was looking for a woman; the indication that partners would also be welcome if that is what the woman was looking for.
The comments of Wanton etc.. is the type of girl i am looking for that is excited about sex as I am. I think we have all had those times when there has been a lackof communication between people and it never rises above the mediocre - i don't think it is too much too ask in an ad for someone to be vocal. All The things that I ask for would be given in return.
I am not after a nymphomaniac but I think it is fair enough to say that there are plenty of women who enjoy being the focus of attention, revered for their sexual power and enjoy both being pleased and pleasing someone else.
Please rethink your rather harsh judgement, just as I will try to rephrase future ads so that these misconceptions won't happen again. I'm pretty new to this as far as the web goes, but not in life. there's no need to adopt such a hoity tone with people that haven't been in this particular place as long as you.
Best wishes, and with hope for a more amicable future
Patrick
Well why not SAY all that in the first place :doh: Much more appealing, well thought out and mature than the earlier rubbish and much more useful in drawing out the women.
Learnt a lesson? Good..
kiss
lol well said kit kat people can be so ignorant hope they dont see my ad redface
Phew !! :eeek:
I thought it was only me that got wound up by these superbly constructed and obviously well planned masterpieces !! :small-print:
Obviously not!!
Dan wink
Quote by Patrick...
1) From your rather cynical view of my posted ad I shall take hints, but also umbrage at your badly judged presumptions.
2) there's no need to adopt such a hoity tone with people that haven't been in this particular place as long as you.
3) The comment about the partner - I thought it was obvious that I was looking for a woman; the indication that partners would also be welcome if that is what the woman was looking for.

Patrick II shall echo Jags - why did you not say all that in the first place? As a couple, we only swing with single blokes, your second post made you sound much more attractive than the first.
on the bits I have quoted
1) You made a post so that people could judge you by it, and you have been told what that post made people think. Would you rather live in the bliss of not knowing how people react to your post?
2) I have not been in this particular place a whole lot longer than you, my attitude, personalty and life experiences dictate my behaviour in here - not my swinging experiences. You are quite welcome to look through my posts as a newbie.
3) Partners - Although your post is not aimed at couples, you do invite replies from them. Your posts do not acknowledge that outside of a cuckold relationship, the decision to swing with you would be a joint decision between both partners. Kit might be driven wild with desire by your post and consider you the horniest man on the site, however the final decision on swinging with you would be mine, and I would not consider you as a swinging partner unless I had some indication that me being there would add to the pleasure for you.
My advice - if swinging with a couple is not an extra turn on for you, then stick to advertising for women only.
lhk
Kat
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Am I being harsh?

Well, the guy has gone to the trouble of describing some things he likes. I was pondering this myself before I got ill - how picky should we sound? Lots of guys on the "Let's meet up" forum seem to say stuff like:
27 m str8 sexy nice dick. Looking for a woman for fun; any age or shape or race. PM me and let's have some orgasms!

Which whenever I read it seems to say "So long as you've got two tits and a pussy that's all I care about because I'm desparate for a shag". And I'm not a woman but I can't imagine that's very sexy.
I had this theory that maybe I should make my ad less about me and more about the type of person I'm looking for. And I quickly ended up with something that sounded like a job advert:
Hi people and welcome to my ad. I hope you'll consider a position in my company, an exciting opening that may lead to our mutual pleasure. You will be age 23-53, not too flightly but a good sense of humour vital. You will enjoy sex but be interested in pursuing a friendly relationship (either short-term or long-term), as I'm much too shy to drop my pants within 5 minutes of meeting you. You will be interesting in receiving oral sex. You will not wear stockings. You will not object to me using a condom where necessary. ...

It went on but you get the idea; in the end I ended up with a huge checklist of trivial "hoops" I was expecting any girl to jump through for the honour of bedding me. I had thought making an ad be more about the reader would make it connect to them more, but in the end it seemed to connect less. Yet rambling on about myself makes me feel like I'm self-obsessed.
It's a puzzle. I guess the answer is it's hard to know how to sell youself; and I guess it's a skill that has to be learned, just like riding a bike or splitting the atom. With perseverance, and effort, I'm sure we can all improve.
Why not just say "Hello, I was pleased to find this site. Having looked round the posts I was pleased to find many that seem to enjoy the same things I do"
"What would that be Roger?"
"Glad you asked......."
Well, I was thinking of my photo-ad and there ain't no interaction there. sad
But in terms of the forum... my first concern would be that nobody would supply the feed-line. Steering a conversation is hard, especially with a nutty bunch like we have here. My second would be trying to engage other people a promotion for myself in an underhand way; I really like to be straight-up with people, so they know when I'm selling myself and when I'm just talking. Trying to "trick" people into reading a glorified advert with the (false) promise of a conversation just doesn't seem cricket to me.
Maybe I'm weird? confused
Quote by roger743
Well, I was thinking of my photo-ad and there ain't no interaction there. sad
But in terms of the forum... my first concern would be that nobody would supply the feed-line. Steering a conversation is hard, especially with a nutty bunch like we have here. My second would be trying to engage other people a promotion for myself in an underhand way; I really like to be straight-up with people, so they know when I'm selling myself and when I'm just talking. Trying to "trick" people into reading a glorified advert with the (false) promise of a conversation just doesn't seem cricket to me.
Maybe I'm weird? confused

FFS - it is not Jeremy Paxman you are talking to, and you are not trying to persuade the entire country to fall over and worship you.
Just talk to people - people will take an interest and ask you about yourself.
Glad you asked me.... could just as easily be followed by "I have no idea". Why assume every conversation you are going to have on here is a selection interview?
lhk
Kat
:shock: Crikey - someone has touched a nerve with Kat tonight! So how IS the no-smoking going? lol
Actually, you know how I feel about these kinds of ads. Not only are they rude and often offensive but they tend to give all single guys a bad name. Fortunately, not all men are like that. Some of us actually enjoy a little wordplay. :twisted:
Good luck with the new approach Patrick. I hope it pays off!
Before I even begin I have to confess that we do not have an ad redface . We did but it only stayed up for a few days when we first joined the sight, then we realised the forum and chat room were a much better way of meeting folk. I digress though.
Why is it some folk insist on giving any or all of the single guys on here a hard time. If someone wants to come along and post an ad like those already mentioned then let them. This sight would be a lot less fun without the single guys visiting and posting their chat up lines.
And if for no other reason some of the ads are so naive as to be very funny. Its amusing that some think a picture of a cock and then a message with all the eloquence of 'Lets fuck darling!' will get them laid. :!: :!: :!:
Hmmmm, .............or is it just me that doesn't get anywhere with that line confused: :?: :?:
Billy
*laughing so hard* You made my nite kit LOL!!! The bit about the "washing basket" lol oh how true that is!
Quote by KitKat
Why assume every conversation you are going to have on here is a selection interview?

??? Sorry KitKat, we must be at cross-purposes because I thought that was pretty-much the point I was making. rolleyes I don't view any conversation I've had here as selling myself as a sexual partner - if I say someone made me laugh, for example, then it's because they did make me laugh, and not because I'm trying to get into their knickers.
Quote by KitKat
you are not trying to persuade the entire country to fall over and worship you.

I dunno, my momma always told me to aim high... lol
There are many sex sites available on the web, in many different forms. One of the fundamental aims of this particular web site is to encourage those who want to explore Swinging in a safe, respectful, pressure free environment.
Crikey - someone has touched a nerve with Kat tonight!

1) How many first ads/posts with the word "Fuck" in them actually result in someone getting a fuck?
2) How many first time ads/posts with the word "Fuck" in them are posted to mimic what is already there? Anyone in here from sales/marketing/advertising want to comment on the impact of having your product as the most commonly seen one?
"Fuck me now" is, at best, no more or less successful than "Hi, pleased to meet you, can I have a chat about this?"; and at worst - probably the least successful method of starting a swinging relationship.
So why do we have so many? The influx of people encouraged to visit by the media and the chance of a fast fuck; rather than sexual exploration.
"Fuck me now" has a place on this site - just not the moment you walk through the door.
Quote by Kat
There are many sex orientated sites available on the web, in many different forms. One of the fundamental aims of this web site is to encourage those who want to explore Swinging in a safe, respectful, pressure free environment.
This is not the image portrayed if the moment you walk throught the door, all you see is "Fuck me now".
Swinging Heaven is available for use by ALL those who enjoy recreational sex, while still maintaining that safe, respectful, pressure free atmosphere.
lhk
Kat
redface calm down huns its time to relax we arnt all like that well i ddont think my ad is lol come deep breath relax xx
Hiya all
Just thought I'd put in my twopennath worth.
What Kit said about it being the most common form and therfore copied is dead right.
I work as a financial advisor and see this sort of behaviour from the public all the time. Shares start rising and the intelligent people get in whilst they are a low and therefore make a lot of money. These people are the same ones who would write an advert on here that actually makes some sense and doesn't include the "F" word. The rest are sheep who enter the market place after it has had some exposure in the press(Can you see where I'm going with this) and then bemoan the fact when suddenly their hard earned pennies have disappeared when the market crashes. These same people then leave the market place leaving "real" investors in the market place. Because a lot of people have now cashed in their chips, so to speak, the market dives due to there being too much supply and not enough demand. The intelligent people who have stuck with their investment then buy more and again makke another fortune.
The point is that it is all cyclical and eventually the bad press will go away and things will return to normal. People are naturally sheep and follow the latest crazes or fads and soon get bored when what they were wanting or expecting does not transpire.
Anyways Love to All
N
You make a good point; a community sets its own standards of acceptable behaviour and right now the "community" on the Let's Meet Up forum is overwhelmingly a bunch of horny morons who want sex 2nite with a hut b8be.
I remember seeing my first cock pic. I thought "woah, is that how it's done? Who'd've thought women get attracted by something like that?" It had never occurred to me to point a camera at my crotch but when I saw other people doing it, it didn't occur to me (for a while at any rate) that it was a dumb idea; I thought it was just the way things were done.
But what's the solution? You can ban new users from using certain words but then they'll just get inventive and say stuff like "ride my massive throbbing love-rocket" (which might have humour value but little else). The only real answer I can see is to change the balance of that "community" by finding some people to post "good" adverts there so the newbies at least have some quality to inspire them.
Quote by Rog
But what's the solution? You can ban new users from using certain words but then they'll just get inventive and say stuff like "ride my massive throbbing love-rocket" (which might have humour value but little else).
lol
Quote by Rog
The only real answer I can see is to change the balance of that "community" by finding some people to post "good" adverts there so the newbies at least have some quality to inspire them.
8) Excellent. I will leave you to get on with that Rog, while I got off and hunt down some protitutes, premium rate numbers, timewasters, spammers and help those who are genuine members, but struggle with the technology! 8)
Seriously, that is the solution. The forums are the more 'visible' part of the site, and as such set the tone for the site. We tend to comment on the poor posts, which keeps them at the top of the list, perhaps if we instead comment on the "good" posts, even just to say "like your post, good luck" that will keep them to the top instead.
There are those who would get frustrated at a string of 'nice post - but no thanks' replies, but as you say, if it becomes common practice people will get used to it.
So - is this a plan - if you see a crap post, ignore it, find a good one, reply to it, and the rest will naturally sink to the bottom of the pond???
lhk
Kat
I found over the last couple of days, I was responding to too many of the bad ones, but I then started ignoring them so that they sank. Caught between a rock and a hard place, really, because if we don't comment on the bad ones, hoping they will sink, people may see them and think they were OK and post badly themselves. If you do post to say it was crap, you're then propping it up. If we comment and then lock to force it to sink, we are called dictatorial!!
Can't bloody win!!! :cry:
But we will !! lol
Mal
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It makes sense to "reward" good posts and ignore bad ones in theory.... but oh, how difficult it is going to be not to make sarcastic comments - I will try - honest!
And there is a danger of turning it into another Cafe. rolleyes
And then there is the danger that we are supposed to be the enlightened ones of the social community, the ones who can see outside of the social "norms" that so many want to place on us. And then what do we do? We go and create a stereotype of the sort of person/advertiser/poster "we*" want here.
Are we not sending the wrong signals out? Educate by all means, direct, cajole and encourage a better standard of posting/advertising etc, but to take the piss is not just rude and superior, it smacks of hypocracy. We can be rude, belittle you, pick on your level of education or understanding of swinging, but forbid that you should post a one liner that we might might take offence to.
Live and let live....it might not do it for you...but it may for someone. When we first joined the site our first postings were in "Lets Meet" and consisted of the one line variety. Had we had the same sarcastic treatment we would no longer be here, have to say it really does suck. Surely the "Lets Meet" section is for the short, I'm available, are you? style posts. If not, what is the point of the ads section? If we are expected to drivel on in "Lets Meet" then lets lose the ads section. Surely its purpose is to begin a dialogue within a fairly small time frame, ie Midday for tonight etc. it serves a purpose, this piss taking and rudeness does not.
Enough from me, I think Stu said enough on the last thread about "name and shame", needless to say we both think this approach is far more damaging than the "easyshag merchants" mediocre postings.
Fran
* According to some of the Mods and a number of posters here*
And as if to show how that is does not have to be complicated to be good, I received the following today:
I'VE JUST SEEN YOUR ADVERT ON THE SWINGERS WEBSITE AND I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. I AM A VERY OPEN AND BROADMINDED 19-M-LONDON. I AM MIXED RACE, ABOUT 5'8'', SHORT DARK HAIR, BROWN EYES, SLIM TONED BUILD AND ABOUT 7" UNCUT. I HAVE PICS TO PUT ANY QUESTIONS TO THE SIDE!!
I AM VERY GENUINE AND WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT YOURSELVES. I AM QUITE NEW TO THIS SCENE BUT UP FOR NEARLY EVERYTHING!
OK, all in capitals, but someone we would be happy to continue the conversation with. No chance of ever swinging together, too young for my daughter, let alone us. nevertheless, a social contact.
lhk
Kat
I agree that the oneliners with offensive overtones have little merit to them - in my opinion, but as others have said they may well work for some people.
What I have noticed is how many of these posts have several 'views' but zero replies. I think that speaks for itself. Anyone new to this site and looking for hints about the kind of post that works best may be tempted to imitate the most common approach but would soon find that it doesn't really work. A closer look would encourage them to either copy the style that attracts replies or, best of all, just be themselves.
So there is probably no need to censor (providing it is not illegal or directly offensive bigotry) just allow natural selection to take its course.
Will