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Hi lovely people kiss
Not sure if this sort of OT stuff is allowed in the café any more, been a while lol but here goes xx
As some of you know, I’ve not been a well bunny for about a year now, but as I’m getting back on my feet I’m finding that getting out and about is doing me an unbelievable amount of good.
I’ve always been an outdoorsy person, as most of the ‘Wiltshire Camping Crew’ will confirm, I also used to do a lot of vermin control and deer stalking in my time but now find that I prefer to see the wildlife running about rather than in my scope. That said, I still enjoy the thrill of the stalk, just don’t need the end result anymore (apart from the odd freezer top-up)
Sooooo the plan is to get into a bit of ‘Wildlife Photography’, the idea being that I still get the thrill of stalking the beast, I can still utilise the skills picked up over many years, and have a more desirable end result, (pictures rolleyes )
My problem?
I know absolutely nothing, nothing what so ever, about photography surprised(
Knowing what a huge diversity of skills and interests contained on this site, I thought I’d ask here first.
For an absolute beginner, what camera would you suggest I go for? Now bear in mind I’m on a budget, sickness benefit is no luxury income lol. Also, as good as you may be at stalking, if you want close ups, you need a decent amount of zoom. Being a bit of a technophobe, do I go digital, or stick with 35mm?
Any advice would be very much appreciated folks.
Have a great week
Pete
:cheers:
Hey hey stranger. biggrin Nice to see you back again.
*gives Pete a manly hug*
My 2c worth is to do your homework. Have a look at some of the review sites and camera/photography forums and get some info about the type of camera (available setting etc) you'll need.
If your on a budget start scouring the local papers, Loot etc to see what people are selling second hand. Also have a look around eBay and see what's the going rate round there.
Personal pref is for digital. No processing costs (well printer, paper and ink, but you don't have to pay to have the film developed or buy the solutions etc to do it yourself) and it's pretty easy to keep a lot of pics and get rid of the ones you don't want.
Sure some folks will sing the praises of 35mm and I'm sure there are some, but like I said my pref would be digital for the ease of use.
Not much technical help I know, but then again I'm only slightly above the "point-and-shoot" brigade.
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My advice, for what its worth...
For photo techniques etc.. check out Scott Kelby books on amazon, they are very good for beginners.
Go with a digital camera and if you can get yourself photoshop, there is a way of downloading it for free, which I wouldn't do because its illegal biggrin
Lens wise, you'll need a telephoto lens, 200 mm, you can also buy something called a teleconverter which will extend the reach of the telephoto lens.
Unfortunately nothing to do with photography comes cheap! But if its something you enjoy doing then I think its worth it.
Fourth Edit (god i'm useless at writing in forums): I've got a Canon 400D, which is pretty good and easy to use, i'd say most of Canon's camera's are easy to use once you've had a little play around, just depends on how much money your willing to spend.
Couple of links that might help


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Hey hey stranger. biggrin Nice to see you back again.
*gives Pete a manly hug*
Hiya matey ((huggs)) redface
My 2c worth is to do your homework. Have a look at some of the review sites and camera/photography forums and get some info about the type of camera (available setting etc) you'll need.
Yeah, I did that. Talk about :confused: even the ‘beginners’ forums are so full of techy terms that I was completely lost within minutes, good advice though.
If your on a budget start scouring the local papers, Loot etc to see what people are selling second hand. Also have a look around eBay and see what's the going rate round there.
Well that’s the plan, but first I need to know what it is I’m looking for, see my conundrum?

Personal pref is for digital. No processing costs (well printer, paper and ink, but you don't have to pay to have the film developed or buy the solutions etc to do it yourself) and it's pretty easy to keep a lot of pics and get rid of the ones you don't want.
I’m with you on this one, would really prefer digital, my problem there is, it seems that the higher the zoom (bearing in mind zoom is really important for this type of photography) The price for digital goes through the roof?

Sure some folks will sing the praises of 35mm and I'm sure there are some, but like I said my pref would be digital for the ease of use.
Not much technical help I know, but then again I'm only slightly above the "point-and-shoot" brigade.
:lol2:
I hear ya, have the biggest problem with trying to get my head around F stops etc. but hey, if it gets me out and about again, maybe I just need to bite the bullet and learn this stuff?
Thanks for your input mate, lets hope it stimulates further discussion :thumbup:
Hi Pete.
A few other points to bear in mind:
- go digital (instant results you can see on the screen) but do remember you will need to store a lot of pictures on your PC which will eat up hard disk space pretty quickly.
- then you need to have a means of backing up your pictures so in the event of your PC's hard disk going bang you don't lose everything. You can get a 2nd back up disk very cheaply these days (1Tb = £90) or use DVDs'CDs.
- a big monitor if you want to see your pix in all their glory, or replay them through your LCD/plasma TV if your computer has the ability to connect.
- think about something a bit longer than 200mm. I use a 100-400mm Canon lens and that often leaves me wishing for a bit more length.....hmmm....stay on topic Mr SW....
- image stabilisation systems built into the lens is a godsend for reducing camera shake. It does push the price up a bit but you will see the results in improved picture sharpness.
- tripod: essential.
- external flash: essential, especially for doing close ups of flowers.
- polaraising filter: essential, does wonderful things to the sky and water reflections.
- at least 2 memory cards on you at any one time - they do go wrong, don't buy fake ones on eBay, stick with OEM.
- at least 2 sets of charged batteries.
- a decent, waterproof bag to keep it all in that is comfortable to carry on your shoulders whilst hiking.
So by now you can see the ££££££ signs flashing, you don't need to get it all in one go and I promise you won't regret going digital.
One more thing, this is a great site for camera reviews:
I know diddly squat about this type of photography, Pete, but welcome back.
I was hoping to get into underwater photography as I do a lot of diving when abroad and had asked other divers what they had and what worked and what didn't. Ultimately it was going to cost a fair few quid as not only did you need all the standard camera stuff, you also needed waterproof casing capable of coping with pressure (water pressure, not 'work now you bastid!!' lol). However I went to a local dive shop and he used a fairly basic set up for little more than a hundred quid and had some remarkable results! A lot of it is not so much the equipment, but the setting and object you are snapping.
good luck
Mal
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Hi Pete,
Glad to see things are on the up for you.
Firstly, I would say go digital, you can instantly see how your pics turn out, rather than wait to get the film developed and find you had the wrong settings and your pics turned out poo.
If you are doing wildlife, then you will need as much focal length (or reach as some call it) as possible, as the shorter the lens, the closer to the subject you will have to go, and there will be times when you need to be quite a way away so you don't disturb the image you are after.
Not knowing your budget, it is difficult to say what to go for, but you will need a camera body, a suitable lens for starters, as time goes on, you can then upgrade your kit, better lenses, a tripod for stability, etc etc etc.
If you need any help, my inbox is open.
Hello Pete! Nothing to add.... but good to see you! :thumbup:
Edit: Oooh... just thought.... does your local college do classes on photography?
See... I can help when I put my mind to it! :lol2:
Definitely go digital, all new cameras coming out these days are digital, even the pro-level medium format cameras (Mamiya etc) are digital these days.
Most popular makes for SLRs are Nikon and Canon (I use a Canon 40D) though Sony, Samsung etc also make them. Nikon's tend to be more expensive and once you've made up your mind on which make to go for, bear in mind, lens are for the most part not compatible (ie. Nikon won't fit Canon and vice versa) though companies like Sigma make comparable lens.
My suggestion is check out places like eBay as you can pick up bargains on second hand kit, especially lens which cost £100s new but you can easily enough get them for under £100.
A good magazine for learning techniques is Digital Answers, they also cover how to use photoshop etc.
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I use a Canon 40D

Same here, fantastic camera.
Check out Ephotozene
It is a web based magazine, cum forum, cum show case. Most people on there are friendly and helpful, and your dilema and question have been asked and answered 1000s of times before, so you should soon be able to pick up ideas and make informed descisions on your own. All the advice so far is bang on, but keep in mind the most important thing....
A good eye for a photo.
£1000s of kit, 600mm telephoto fast lenes and all the other stuff is just wasted money if you can't visualise a good shot. So stick within your budget, and master what ever kit you buy. You can always squeeze a good shot out of cheaper kit with some planning and a good eye...
Of course, if you have a good eye, the dearer kit will make that good shot even better LOL
Hope this has helped the confusion :P
It is also worth mentioning that you can hire all sorts of kit at reasonable prices as a600mm L series lens will cost an arm and a unless you are out all the time it will sit at home for most of its for before you buy.
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....stuff

Erm, and why do you think you can just wander back here after several months lounging round in your PJ's, chasing nurses and generally being a lazy sod, and demand we drop everything and give you advice on a new camera rolleyes
Well, as i'm currently (still) looking for a entry level DSLR camera i'll let you in on my research on the subject (although you could have found all this out instead of watching Neighbours, Doctors, Supermarket Sweep or whatever they have on daytime telly now)
I've got it down to a choice of the Nikon D60 and the Canon 1000D working on a £350- £450 budget, the main reason for discounting almost everything else is the choice of lenses and the compatibilty of them across the range, so if you decide to upgrade your camera in a year or so you don't have to fork out for new lenses either (look out for the twin lens kit offers too). However, today threw in a curveball with the Sony A350 which does have a lot of tasty features for the money and i believe it has the image stabilisation built into the camera body, so lenses are cheaper- if you plan on doing much Macro or Telephoto work then IS is a major tick in the want box. I you're looking at spending a little less then it's prbably the Nikon D40 or maybe the Sony's little brother, the A200.
If you want to spend less than £250 then buy a used model or save a little longer as the high end compacts just don't touch a budget DSLR for what is a measley difference in price.
Have a look and then get out of your jammies, turn off Murder she wrote and get down to Jessops to see how your choice of models feel to handle, the final piece to the decision :thumbup:
So, are we going to get swamped with the rambling bolox of PeteSw and his pole dancing routines again? :roll:
(really good to see you back mate, hope you're feeling top rate again- just don't tell anyone i said that or you'll spoil my reputation) wink
Meaty, if you are going down the Canon route, try and get the extra money together and go for a 450D rather than a 1000D, the 1000D is too limited with its auto-focusing.
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Meaty, if you are going down the Canon route, try and get the extra money together and go for a 450D rather than a 1000D, the 1000D is too limited with its auto-focusing.

I'm actually thinking of going for this offer on the D60 dual lens kit
Thats not a bad kit at all, and a decent price.
For stuff like memory cards and other accessories, check out or , who both often have some good deals.
I was just gonna use Ebuyer as usual, i can get a Kingston class 6 4Gb SDHC for £8 and an 8Gb Lexar SDHC for £12, just need to check if the camera takes the 8Gb card
F*ck aye Pete! Good to se you buddy, really is.
As for cameras. I have problems not taking pictures of my own finger. knee, inside of my coat pocket and even my own face quizzically looking down at the camera as i'm holding it.
I do admit to SWCPL2005 bloke giving the best advice for me I've had so far. And thats, just take lots and lots and lots of pictures. You'll get some great pics just because you will. It can mean that "meets" become frustrating for your subjects, some positions, apparently quite painful to maintain whilst the photographer furtles around in his bag for a spare set of batteries.
As for a camera I would typically choose a Nikcanonia 6001BK with a swivel mounting DZ framing tool with a filtering 4kg apco reducing zoom lens added to a detached flash system with super speed 15x shutters sporting a angle rectifiers and distortion pullers.
Of course you'll require a tripod with with back up leg for added stability available from motobility shops and called zimmi, zimma, zimmo? Something like that.
I must admit to having a liking for Kodak ......Crocker!!!!!!!!!! The 70's don't you just love em biggrin
I kinda make my living out of photography nowadays ...
Personally I'd recommend Canon - you're buying into a whole system and Canon lenses do have the edge when it comes to sharpness. Nikon are great too, but they haven't got the same amount of money to invest into research as Canon do - all about personal taste at the end of the day. Loads of pros swear by Nikon - personally speaking I also dislike their menu system.
However, whatever you decide, the trick is to take photos, take more photos and when you have finished go and take more photos ... go with a plan, experiment, make mistakes, make more mistakes and keep shooting. Get a reputation for being "the one with the camera" and keep shooting.
I shot over 40000 images last year alone ... I got a new camera in November and am up to 6000+ already.
The only way to learn is to keep shooting - but think about what you're doing, the difference between a pro and an amatuer is often no more than attention to detail and willingness to really try to get that shot.
It's not rocket science, don't be scared to experiment.
Pete, if you persist in taking covert piccies of my tits- I'm calling the police. rolleyes
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Pete, if you persist in taking covert piccies of my tits- I'm calling the police. rolleyes

Pete, If you see flashing blue lights and then hear a knock at the door, can you pm me any covert tit shots you may have taken before answering the door wink
Hi peeps wave
This is just a quick THANK YOU ALL kiss / :cheers: post to let you know i'm still following the thread and heeding the advice.
Great to hear from so many old friends and to see that the essential spirit of SH is still alive and kicking.
I'm just about ready to make my first purchase, but before i do i will run it, and the reasons for it past you guys tomorrow to get your invaluable input.
For now though i just want to say hi, thanks, and great to hear from you all.
watch this space xx
all the best
Pete
aka southern_insomniac
Quote by essex34m
Meaty, if you are going down the Canon route, try and get the extra money together and go for a 450D rather than a 1000D, the 1000D is too limited with its auto-focusing.

I recently purchased (January) my first DSLR camera and its a Cannon 1000D and have since got a 70mm-300mm Tamron lens to go with it....
The whole kit cost in the region of £500 and its absolutely fantastic.....
A lot of the pro photographers at the motor racing events I go to rate the 1000D very highly..
Shit....
Forgot to say welcome back Pete redface
Welcome back Pete smile
Hi Pete
I'd look at the cost of any lens you might want to get in the future as this can be expensive.
Also don't get too carried away with the number of pixels a camera has to offer as this does not always result in a better picture.
I use the review site as well as - some of the user comments are useful.
If you are using a telephoto lens then a mono pod might be a good idea as I find camera shake is a problem-or maybe that's just my nervous disposition.
Have fun.
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I recently purchased (January) my first DSLR camera and its a Cannon 1000D and have since got a 70mm-300mm Tamron lens to go with it....
On the subject of zoom lenses, the thing to look for is the F number on the side. F2.8 to F4 (or lower) indicates a good lens that will allow a lot of light to pass through, thus making it easier to shoot fast moving subjects (or in low light). Higher numbers (F5.6 and above) can still produce decent results, but they're limited by the amount of light that can pass through them ... you may find that you need a slower shutter speed to compensate - and you may need to consider a tripod.
Don't be under any illusions, photography can be very expensive - once you get hooked you'll always be looking at new lenses, filters, tripods, carrying bags, software, remote triggers, flash units, memory cards - it's never ending.
Hi folks wave
Ok as promised, here’s where I’ve got with my investigations.
As advised I have done a shed load of research and the very first conclusion I have come to is that any and all DSLR cameras are simply way out of my league, both financially, and probably in terms of ease of use. Bearing in mind that I’m a complete novice, some of them look like you need a 6 month university course just to learn how to drive them.
So, with that in mind, I looked at various compromise options, looked again at the 35mm SLR option and dismissed it for the reasons advised previously in this thread, though I have to say, if you are a 35mm film aficionado, now is definitely the time to buy.
So, what remains are the range of fixed lens digital cameras, and what an array there is. Now this is where again I need some input as my thinking is this. As my special interest is wildlife pics, in particular British deer, I started to look at fixed lens with optical zoom.
The camera I am drawn to is the FUJIFILM FinePix S2000HD. It has a 15x optical zoom which the specs say is equivalent to 27.6 - 414 mm on a 35 mm camera. Having read through this thread again, it seems to me this would be ample. My question is, have I interpreted this correctly, or would this still be inadequate for taking long range shots without disturbing the animals too much?
Has anyone here used this camera, and if so, what was your experience?
I have of course read through many photography forums, and I must say this little camera gets rave reviews in general, but I’ve not been able to find it mentioned in the context in which I intend to use it.
I have already managed to pick up a lovely Chenin1000 professional tripod, unfortunately the QR plate is missing, but I’m sure I’ll find one of those somewhere.
Again, many thanks for all your most useful comments, your wonderful welcome home messages and your Pms.
I look forward to reading your comments.
Hi Pete,
Great to see you back posting.
You may find help here.....

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(Sorry Pete, been looking for an excuse to use this link for ages :shock:
Best of luck with your endeavours .....
Quote by Pete_sw
It has a 15x optical zoom which the specs say is equivalent to 27.6 - 414 mm on a 35 mm camera. Having read through this thread again, it seems to me this would be ample. My question is, have I interpreted this correctly, or would this still be inadequate for taking long range shots without disturbing the animals too much?

If you can get a couple of bit fat memory chips then a zoom of this size should give you a pretty good reach.
Having a big memory card means you can setup your camera at the mximum resolution with the fine or super fine option set- basically capturing as much detail as you can.
For example, You might only be able to get 300-400 meters away from a deer but on full zoom, with a tripod to stabilise your shot you might end up with a picture of the deer that is the equivalent ratio of a postage stamp in the middle of a dvd box.
It doesn't sound like a particually impressive shot, but put it into Photoshop or similar and zoom into it then use the crop facility, thats the beauty of shooting at higher resolutions, even heavily cropped you can get a decent end photo that is still several megapixels in size and more than suitable for printing
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Hi Pete,
Great to see you back posting.
You may find help here.....
URL photo help
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(Sorry Pete, been looking for an excuse to use this link for ages :shock:
Best of luck with your endeavours .....

That's soooo weird. I was looking through a load of old, old URLs that I've got in my bookmarks and found that saved there. Not seen it for ages and now it's popped up twice in 24 hours. ...
I blame the matrix. confused :lol2:
Pete, why not find your local dealer and ask them for a test drive and maybe if you can see how the images edit (sure most places have PCs with edit software now). If you get to know your local dealer and they know you're serious about buying they're probably more likely to match t'internet prices. Or maybe take your own storage card and take the pics you take at the shop home to try them out on your own editing software?
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Hi Pete,
Great to see you back posting.
You may find help here.....
URL photo help
wink
(Sorry Pete, been looking for an excuse to use this link for ages :shock:
Best of luck with your endeavours .....

flipa :flipa:
Quote by meat2pleaseu
It has a 15x optical zoom which the specs say is equivalent to 27.6 - 414 mm on a 35 mm camera. Having read through this thread again, it seems to me this would be ample. My question is, have I interpreted this correctly, or would this still be inadequate for taking long range shots without disturbing the animals too much?

If you can get a couple of bit fat memory chips then a zoom of this size should give you a pretty good reach.
Having a big memory card means you can setup your camera at the mximum resolution with the fine or super fine option set- basically capturing as much detail as you can.
For example, You might only be able to get 300-400 meters away from a deer but on full zoom, with a tripod to stabilise your shot you might end up with a picture of the deer that is the equivalent ratio of a postage stamp in the middle of a dvd box.
It doesn't sound like a particually impressive shot, but put it into Photoshop or similar and zoom into it then use the crop facility, thats the beauty of shooting at higher resolutions, even heavily cropped you can get a decent end photo that is still several megapixels in size and more than suitable for printing
:thumbup: thank you meaty
Quote by easy
Pete, why not find your local dealer and ask them for a test drive and maybe if you can see how the images edit (sure most places have PCs with edit software now). If you get to know your local dealer and they know you're serious about buying they're probably more likely to match t'internet prices. Or maybe take your own storage card and take the pics you take at the shop home to try them out on your own editing software?

Ah, and therein lies the rub.
It's a good 40 mile round trip to my nearest half decent photographic shop, hence my reliance on the good old winternet, interweb, thingy. :wink:
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pete i've pm'd you
whips

Thanks for that kiss I await results with interest :thumbup:
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Nothing to add of any use advicewise but just wanted to say welcome back matey!! biggrin :kiss:

wave thank you passionkiss