Over-Regulated

1 Aug 2006

Quote by westerross
Doesn't take too long to PM the person saying;
"I mod have deleted / moved / quarentined your thread. You have broken xxxxx rule. Please read the rules here.... URL link to the aup."

Gem. x

I remember advocating the same thing - maybe even using a mod button drop-down menu - many moons ago, to no avail.
That said there is at least one mod on here, who takes the trouble to explain 'why'. Makes so much sense. It means the 'offender' is less likely to do the same thing next time and if they do then you know they're trolling and can join the fast exit queue.
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But on the other hand, if the persons involved had bothered to read the rules they consented to upon joining the site, they would know why the post had been edited/deleted/moved/whatever, and in that case, would probably not posted or posted in the correct place in the first place dunno

1 Aug 2006

Quote by Jon

The only rule i honestly don't like on this site is.....
The rule that you can only have the people on your cam in the chatroom that are on the account.
I have a g/f and the 3 of us often play but not allowed to on cam as my g/f ain't registered on this site, She ain't a swinger as such so feels it would be wrong to register here.
I think it would be better if the rule was..... no third parties are allowed on cam unless the account holder was there also
Shaz x

Thats the way the rules are - you MUST NOT allow someone else to use your account on their own - by giving them your username/password details etc. or logging on and allowing them to access the site using your account, but you may allow them on your cam as long as you are present AND they consent to being shown, AND they consent to abide by the rules.
But, in this case, I wonder why a non-swinger would be interested in going on cam on a swingers chat room considering she finds it would be wrong for her to register dunno

Ohhhhh we thought that nobody was allowed on cam unless they was registered on the site... thats the impression we got anyway.
And to the second part of that....
You don't have to be a swinger to be an exhibitionist you know :D
Shaz x

1 Aug 2006

Agreed Chooney! :thumbup:
Jon, honestly, I didn't read the entire set of AUP rules when I joined and I doubt I could quote them to you now... but with habit and the community I know roughly what is and isn't allowed cos I paid attention to current threads when I first joined.
Not everyone reads all the rules everywhere all the time, so I don't see the harm in an auto kind of message pointing out what's been broken where. As choon says... if they don't listen its fast track to trollville! biggrin

Gem. x

1 Aug 2006

Quote by TimandLene
Thanks for the reply Bi Minx and for giving the view from a Chatroom Operators experience. I am sure you have seen a lot os mischief.
I think my experience regarding chatrooms is influenced by the chatting I used to do years ago in the early days of the net using software, like the software that used to power the old SH chatroom. I loved the freedom of those rooms. Of course there was a downside as there is through out the freedom of the Internet.
One point I could make though is that just because the person that created the room is present, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will be policing it. They might not even be watching the screen. I can see though, that making sure that the room creator present is damage limitation.
I thought this one was a good example of over regulation, as on that Saturday we eventually gave up. Maybe we were just unlucky but a lot of the rooms we visited were closed after a bit and we couldn't get a conversation going. The chatroom operators were very decent when closing the rooms and gave plenty of warning. It was done with care.
My original point was more though about the quantity of rules and my curiousity as to whether things really would be that wild if they were trimmed a bit.

I would guess that you were just unlucky that evening guys sad

Next time try one of the static Admin created rooms (The Beach Bar and The Pool are usually lively) as these never close.
Back to your original point, new rules are only added when needed, using the chatroom as an example we needed lots of new rules when the new chatrooms went live because of the introduction of the video chat. Obviously there was no need for the "No directing" rule in the old mIRC/java chat as no-one had cams ;)
I for one would not venture into the chat room if the rules were done away with, I remember the times Gem and Sheddy have mentioned and the forum was frustrating enough... ;)
Minxx x

1 Aug 2006

Quote by Shaz_n_Tony
Ohhhhh we thought that nobody was allowed on cam unless they was registered on the site... thats the impression we got anyway.
And to the second part of that....
You don't have to be a swinger to be an exhibitionist you know
Shaz x

Quote by Chatroom T & C's
Using or viewing webcams:
* By using a webcam you give consent for others to watch what is displayed on it
* You fully understand that other members can see what you display on it
* No one that is, or appears to be under the age of 18 can be displayed on cam
* You should only display yourself, if you have someone else on the cam they should consent to these rules, if you show someone else on cam and they have not consented to these rules your account may be deactivated.
* No illegal activities are allowed to be undertaken or displayed on cam
* No minors can be viewed on cam even if it a baby etc in the background
* Playing any type of video across your web cam is strictly prohibited
* You must not leave web cams unattended for more than 10 minutes
* Webcams facing towards TVs, Lamps, or other household objects will be considered unattended after 10 minutes.

1 Aug 2006

Quote by Jon

Ohhhhh we thought that nobody was allowed on cam unless they was registered on the site... thats the impression we got anyway.
And to the second part of that....
You don't have to be a swinger to be an exhibitionist you know
Shaz x

Quote by Chatroom T & C's
Using or viewing webcams:
* By using a webcam you give consent for others to watch what is displayed on it
* You fully understand that other members can see what you display on it
* No one that is, or appears to be under the age of 18 can be displayed on cam
* You should only display yourself, if you have someone else on the cam they should consent to these rules, if you show someone else on cam and they have not consented to these rules your account may be deactivated.
* No illegal activities are allowed to be undertaken or displayed on cam
* No minors can be viewed on cam even if it a baby etc in the background
* Playing any type of video across your web cam is strictly prohibited
* You must not leave web cams unattended for more than 10 minutes
* Webcams facing towards TVs, Lamps, or other household objects will be considered unattended after 10 minutes.

Thanks for that Jon although i did believe you the first time....
Just saying, we got the wrong impression.... must note... check the rules more often for updates :D
Shaz x

1 Aug 2006

Quote by BiWelshMinx

Thanks for the reply Bi Minx and for giving the view from a Chatroom Operators experience. I am sure you have seen a lot os mischief.
I think my experience regarding chatrooms is influenced by the chatting I used to do years ago in the early days of the net using software, like the software that used to power the old SH chatroom. I loved the freedom of those rooms. Of course there was a downside as there is through out the freedom of the Internet.
One point I could make though is that just because the person that created the room is present, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will be policing it. They might not even be watching the screen. I can see though, that making sure that the room creator present is damage limitation.
I thought this one was a good example of over regulation, as on that Saturday we eventually gave up. Maybe we were just unlucky but a lot of the rooms we visited were closed after a bit and we couldn't get a conversation going. The chatroom operators were very decent when closing the rooms and gave plenty of warning. It was done with care.
My original point was more though about the quantity of rules and my curiousity as to whether things really would be that wild if they were trimmed a bit.

I would guess that you were just unlucky that evening guys sad

Next time try one of the static Admin created rooms (The Beach Bar and The Pool are usually lively) as these never close.
Back to your original point, new rules are only added when needed, using the chatroom as an example we needed lots of new rules when the new chatrooms went live because of the introduction of the video chat. Obviously there was no need for the "No directing" rule in the old mIRC/java chat as no-one had cams ;)
I for one would not venture into the chat room if the rules were done away with, I remember the times Gem and Sheddy have mentioned and the forum was frustrating enough... ;)
Minxx x
Thanks for the advice we will try that next time.

1 Aug 2006

Quote by Jon
But on the other hand, if the persons involved had bothered to read the rules they consented to upon joining the site, they would know why the post had been edited/deleted/moved/whatever, and in that case, would probably not posted or posted in the correct place in the first place

I said in a post in another thread when i first joined here asking how many people read the manual to the things they buy before using them not many i would guess. I didn't read the AUP etc fully i just tried to rely on my common sense and i like to think i done pretty well all things considered. Though i have read it now i still need too look when i wonder why somthing has been locked.
On the other hand I used to mod a forum for a skateboard park and it was an absolute nightmare so much so i told the owners i was shutting it down. So all in all i think the moding here is fantastic though i still wonder why this or that was locked on occasion.

1 Aug 2006

Quote by goose35
I didn't read the AUP etc fully i just tried to rely on my common sense.

Honest truth I've never read the AUP I know where it is and have pulled snippets from it from time to time but It was months or more before I even found it. I picked up what is acceptable and what isn't from what people had/have posted on here

1 Aug 2006

Quote by Jon
Doesn't take too long to PM the person saying;
"I mod have deleted / moved / quarentined your thread. You have broken xxxxx rule. Please read the rules here.... URL link to the aup."

Gem. x

I remember advocating the same thing - maybe even using a mod button drop-down menu - many moons ago, to no avail.
That said there is at least one mod on here, who takes the trouble to explain 'why'. Makes so much sense. It means the 'offender' is less likely to do the same thing next time and if they do then you know they're trolling and can join the fast exit queue.
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But on the other hand, if the persons involved had bothered to read the rules they consented to upon joining the site, they would know why the post had been edited/deleted/moved/whatever, and in that case, would probably not posted or posted in the correct place in the first place dunno

Sorry Jon, But when did anyone ever read all the rules before doing anything, ever!!!! confused

It is simply never done; if it were done I wouldnâ€™t be on SH now. Iâ€™d still be reading the rules and regulations that came with my first credit card at age 18 â€¦ lol

Stormwalker

1 Aug 2006

Quote by sheddy
I didn't read the AUP etc fully i just tried to rely on my common sense.

Honest truth I've never read the AUP I know where it is and have pulled snippets from it from time to time but It was months or more before I even found it. I picked up what is acceptable and what isn't from what people had/have posted on here
We have read both the site and chat AUP but quite a while ago redface

Shaz x

1 Aug 2006

Quote by westerross
Doesn't take too long to PM the person saying;
"I mod have deleted / moved / quarentined your thread. You have broken xxxxx rule. Please read the rules here.... URL link to the aup."

Gem. x

I remember advocating the same thing - maybe even using a mod button drop-down menu - many moons ago, to no avail.
That said there is at least one mod on here, who takes the trouble to explain 'why'. Makes so much sense. It means the 'offender' is less likely to do the same thing next time and if they do then you know they're trolling and can join the fast exit queue.
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I agree with this too, and sassy, both myself and den started threads that were locked when we were new, and then another thread to ask why it had been locked, if it just said somewhere on it the reasons for locking, there would be no problem.
I do think you need a lot of the rules, but I also think sometimes there is an overreaction to certain posts which do get locked ( and I'm not talking about mine!)
I think sometimes if they were allowed to run the course, they would feed out anyway...
Neither of us read the rules at all, and we still haven't, we've just picked up bits as we went along, how many people really read website rules?!
It would have been so interesting to see the strike though - it does sound like a bit of a nightmare!!!

1 Aug 2006

Quote by goose35
But on the other hand, if the persons involved had bothered to read the rules they consented to upon joining the site, they would know why the post had been edited/deleted/moved/whatever, and in that case, would probably not posted or posted in the correct place in the first place

I said in a post in another thread when i first joined here asking how many people read the manual to the things they buy before using them not many i would guess. I didn't read the AUP etc fully i just tried to rely on my common sense and i like to think i done pretty well all things considered. Though i have read it now i still need too look when i wonder why somthing has been locked.
On the other hand I used to mod a forum for a skateboard park and it was an absolute nightmare so much so i told the owners i was shutting it down. So all in all i think the moding here is fantastic though i still wonder why this or that was locked on occasion.
I'm oversensitive. If something I have posted gets locked it bothers me. I will dwell on what I did wrong and be annoyed with the person who locked me. That is why I don't post here very often.

1 Aug 2006

Quote by little gem
Agreed Chooney! :thumbup:
Jon, honestly, I didn't read the entire set of AUP rules when I joined and I doubt I could quote them to you now... but with habit and the community I know roughly what is and isn't allowed cos I paid attention to current threads when I first joined.
Not everyone reads all the rules everywhere all the time, so I don't see the harm in an auto kind of message pointing out what's been broken where. As choon says... if they don't listen its fast track to trollville!

Gem. x

:thumbup:
There's little mileage all 'round leaving people wondering why a thread's been locked and they're not always locked because they break the AUP.
The mods' drop down menu could include reason (No 6) - 'Topic been done to death recently' - for example.

1 Aug 2006

Quote by TimandLene
I am sure you have seen a lot os mischief.

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Quote by TimandLene
One point I could make though is that just because the person that created the room is present, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will be policing it. They might not even be watching the screen. I can see though, that making sure that the room creator present is damage limitation.

You're saying it's over regulated, then mention that even the room creators don't always monitor the room........ So let's 'over regulate' even more, so there are no room creators, thus eliminating the possibility of one of em not policing it?? confused

And also narrowing down the diversity of the chatrooms.
Sorry, just kidding you there kiss

I can see the point you were making with that lol

If there is someone that consistently opens a room, and encourages any kind of abusive/illegal behaviour - then they're not just annoying the members who just want to chat, they're also putting their membership in jeopardy.
If it's a case of just not policing it for a while - maybe they've gotta do something quickly dunno

had to go off for 10 mins. Maybe once they're back, they kick anyone that has abused the situation? :dunno: I haven't a clue really, am rubbish at the chatroom thing :?

1 Aug 2006

Quote by TimandLene
I'm oversensitive. If something I have posted gets locked it bothers me. I will dwell on what I did wrong and be annoyed with the person who locked me. That is why I don't post here very often.

Yup was the same myself i even did the dreaded whys my thread been locked thread and i was ripped apart at the seams redface

I was hounded out of town for days lol

Only kidding but i did get some stick

1 Aug 2006

Quote by firelizard
I have said it before, but I do find the site oddly restrictive. I understand your comment about feeling like you need a Legal team in the Forum sometimes.
Whether itâ€™s something to do with my dislike of rules mongering, or just a real or imagined misunderstanding of the rules and how they work on my part, I donâ€™t know.
However, throwing ALL the rules away is never a good idea, people will self regulate up to a point, but after that it just becomes chaotic.
Itâ€™s been far too long since you stopped posting btw, I have missed perving your avatar.

Stormwalker

Thanks for the message. We sound like Kkndred spirits. Please feel free to perve. I was going to exchange Lene's pic, with a pic of our cat, but as Lene's bum seems to have a fan i'll leave it as it is. :wink:

1 Aug 2006

Well if honesty is the best policy then here goes,
I used to be a chatroom op in the mIRC chatroom and "the chatroom Tart" before it changed now i stay the hell out of there, for several reasons, change of interest is one but i just find it hard work now, full off problems, rooms all over the place, login problems, slow running and personally i find it chaos. Being a chatroom op in there is something that i wouldnt do again, hats off to those who do.
As for the forum, one thing i really hate is reading a contraversial but thought provoking thread that will start a good discussion and when ive finished typing my reply to it find it locked or most annoyingly of all the whole damn thread has been deleted from the site without explanation.
Mids

1 Aug 2006

Quote by firelizard
Sorry Jon, But when did anyone ever read all the rules before doing anything, ever!!!!
It is simply never done; if it were done I wouldnâ€™t be on SH now. Iâ€™d still be reading the rules and regulations that came with my first credit card at age 18 â€¦
Stormwalker

Surely even applying a small degree of common sense, and having had a 'lurk' about before posting will have given anyone a small understanding of what is/isn't acceptable dunno

I don't think for one moment anyone studies the rules at great length upon joining, and in most cases, at all for that matter (unless they wish to argue a point in the rules rolleyes

).
The rules are there to protect the site members, AND the owners, and to go a long way to ensuring people are able to enjoy the site in full, without prejudice or harassment.
Anyone who does not bother to even take a cusory glance at the rules cannot (in my opinion) whinge if they get a post deleted/locked/moved etc. or find themselves booted/banned from chat rooms.

1 Aug 2006

Ooo, and then there are those self proclaimed 'experts' of the forum netiquette (aka pseudomods), who just can't resist telling people what is and isn't allowed where. confused

Leave the modding jobs to the moderators... that's what theyre here for. I might not always agree with their decisions on things, but they are here for a reason which I feel some folk get in the way of unecessarily at times with countdowns and digs which can be thinly veiled as suggestions or patronising questions. :?
kiss

Gem. x -going before she breaches AUP herself! lol

1 Aug 2006

Quote by Kiss_Me
Maybe they're just more apparent as they have to be enforced more often i.e. More members = more muppets.

:cry:

:therethere:
Don't worry hun.
Playing the percentages if you say 1% fall into the TTTT catagory, you're most definitely in the other 99% :wink:

1 Aug 2006

Quote by Jon
Anyone who does not bother to even take a cusory glance at the rules cannot (in my opinion) whinge if they get a post deleted/locked/moved etc. or find themselves booted/banned from chat rooms.

No they can't but they will and have. Thats just human nature unfortunatly. The only thing that can be done is what usualy happens is that the regulars and mod will guide them like they did me early doors or they will give in.

1 Aug 2006

Quote by TimandLene
I have said it before, but I do find the site oddly restrictive. I understand your comment about feeling like you need a Legal team in the Forum sometimes.
Whether itâ€™s something to do with my dislike of rules mongering, or just a real or imagined misunderstanding of the rules and how they work on my part, I donâ€™t know.
However, throwing ALL the rules away is never a good idea, people will self regulate up to a point, but after that it just becomes chaotic.
Itâ€™s been far too long since you stopped posting btw, I have missed perving your avatar.

Stormwalker

Thanks for the message. We sound like Kkndred spirits. Please feel free to perve. I was going to exchange Lene's pic, with a pic of our cat, but as Lene's bum seems to have a fan i'll leave it as it is. :wink:
lol

Just for the record, as I am a devout bottom man, the rest of her is pretty special too surprised

ops:
Stormwalker :thumbup:

1 Aug 2006

Quote by goose35

I'm oversensitive. If something I have posted gets locked it bothers me. I will dwell on what I did wrong and be annoyed with the person who locked me. That is why I don't post here very often.

Yup was the same myself i even did the dreaded whys my thread been locked thread and i was ripped apart at the seams redface

I was hounded out of town for days lol

Only kidding but i did get some stick
Aww, well if you see someone else in a similar situaiton you can offer them some advice. Especially if they are fit and busty :lol:
I see on your profile you are a bit of a sci fan... me too, we will have to exchange nerdy sci fi chat via PM sometime.

1 Aug 2006

I have to admit, I stopped posting in here for a long time after a couple of threads (not just mine) were locked without explanation. I found it highly frustrating and a teensy bit annoying when there didn't seem to be any obvious reason for the lock/delete of some threads. rolleyes

I won't go near the chatrooms these days, too confusing and swarming with what to me is ott comments, bitching, and general mayhem. I tried for a month or so but gave up and have not been back in there since. Guess I miss the atmosphere of the 'old' chatroom, but each to their own.
I still make mistakes with some of my threads or posts, but generally I like posting on the forum - keeps me up to speed with what's going on in the world (who needs newspapers when ya have SH forums?!) :shock:
I agree wholeheartedly with the other posters who have said maybe some sort of explanation as to why a thread had been locked/deleted - would do away with the wtf??!! syndrome - especially if you've spent ages writing a reply only to find you can't post it coz the thread's gone! confused

However, if we lived in a perfect world, w'd be bored silly! :P
newt xx

1 Aug 2006

Quote by westerross
Agreed Chooney! :thumbup:
Jon, honestly, I didn't read the entire set of AUP rules when I joined and I doubt I could quote them to you now... but with habit and the community I know roughly what is and isn't allowed cos I paid attention to current threads when I first joined.
Not everyone reads all the rules everywhere all the time, so I don't see the harm in an auto kind of message pointing out what's been broken where. As choon says... if they don't listen its fast track to trollville!

Gem. x

:thumbup:
There's little mileage all 'round leaving people wondering why a thread's been locked and they're not always locked because they break the AUP.
The mods' drop down menu could include reason (No 6) - 'Topic been done to death recently' - for example.
oooh oooh I do that :bounce: I do that :bounce: I do I do I do!! :smug:
Only cos I have to, cos I just know that I'll go off to bed........... and then fret about the locked thread rolleyes

did they know why, should I of said something, do they hate me, are they offended, would they of hated me more if they know it was me that locked it :undecided:
Then will have to go all the way back downstairs, boot up the PC at silly o'clock - and explain myself, just to quit the talking in my head, so I can get some sleep :undecided:
Bluddy locked threads - more stressful than they look!!! confused

Seriously tho - people shouldn't be offended if their thread gets locked, I think we've all had it at some point, for some reason or another. This is just a website, don't give a locked thread too much thought and just carry on having fun :D (ooooh hark at me, don't give a damn never fret! :roll: ) Certainly don't be offended or take it to heart.

1 Aug 2006

Quote by TimandLene

I'm oversensitive. If something I have posted gets locked it bothers me. I will dwell on what I did wrong and be annoyed with the person who locked me. That is why I don't post here very often.

Yup was the same myself i even did the dreaded whys my thread been locked thread and i was ripped apart at the seams redface

I was hounded out of town for days lol

Only kidding but i did get some stick
Aww, well if you see someone else in a similar situaiton you can offer them some advice. Especially if they are fit and busty :lol:
I see on your profile you are a bit of a sci fan... me too, we will have to exchange nerdy sci fi chat via PM sometime.
Pheew getting warm in here :lol:
PM anytime wink

1 Aug 2006

Quote by Missy
I am sure you have seen a lot os mischief.

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Quote by TimandLene
One point I could make though is that just because the person that created the room is present, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will be policing it. They might not even be watching the screen. I can see though, that making sure that the room creator present is damage limitation.

You're saying it's over regulated, then mention that even the room creators don't always monitor the room........ So let's 'over regulate' even more, so there are no room creators, thus eliminating the possibility of one of em not policing it?? confused

And also narrowing down the diversity of the chatrooms.
Sorry, just kidding you there kiss

I can see the point you were making with that lol

If there is someone that consistently opens a room, and encourages any kind of abusive/illegal behaviour - then they're not just annoying the members who just want to chat, they're also putting their membership in jeopardy.
If it's a case of just not policing it for a while - maybe they've gotta do something quickly dunno

had to go off for 10 mins. Maybe once they're back, they kick anyone that has abused the situation? :dunno: I haven't a clue really, am rubbish at the chatroom thing :?
Missy you sound fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For a moment you had me worrying I had triggered some kind of police state. :P :P

1 Aug 2006

Quote by Missy
Then will have to go all the way back downstairs, boot up the PC at silly o'clock - and explain myself, just to quit the talking in my head, so I can get some sleep :undecided:
Bluddy locked threads - more stressful than they look!!!
.

Aaawww bless kiss

and I thought the gushing response I got when I PM'd you in thanks for a locked thread was purely for my benefit biggrin

Now it turns out it was simply so you could sleep at night :cry:
lol

In edit: don't go hunting for it as it wasn't one of mine as you should all know I hardly get a locked thread :angel:

1 Aug 2006

Quote by TimandLene
I think my experience regarding chatrooms is influenced by the chatting I used to do years ago in the early days of the net using software, like the software that used to power the old SH chatroom. I loved the freedom of those rooms. Of course there was a downside as there is through out the freedom of the Internet.

The main frame of the chatroom rules are carried over from the old mIRC room that used to run here..
No whispering(pm'ing in mIRC) without permission
No capitals (shouting and considered rude)
No email addresses in the main room
No web addresses in the main room
Be polite
No abuse will be tolerated
No drugs talk...
Some rules that are in force now are new and have had to be introduced due to the advent of cams in the chatrooms..

Quote by TimandLene
One point I could make though is that just because the person that created the room is present, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will be policing it. They might not even be watching the screen. I can see though, that making sure that the room creator present is damage limitation.

If an op is present in a room where the host does not appear to be hosting the room properly then its usual for that op to have a quiet word with the host and tell them where they appear to be going wrong.....A lot of the time its due basically to ignorance of what being a room host entails and once informed 9 times out of 10 they are appreciative of our comments and go on to host the room properly...
Very occasionaly the room host couldnt give a monkeys and in those extreme circumstances it is best for all if the room is closed and usually one of the chatters will take the riegns and open a new room.