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Though i realise that the issue of parenting is a difficult one as there is no specific qualification or government standards etc, Is the government actually marginalising the role of parents with the bringing on of 'professional' into family life.
Are the initiatives such as sure start, Everychild matters and childrens centres bringing in the start of the corporate family? I think that although the idea of helping people who need it with their children is a noble one. I cant help feeling that in these directions this is a 'social' loss rather than gain. The robbing of identity and uniqueness. A brave new world?
If the alternative is parenting that leaves people exhausted, without support, direction less, hopeless and eventually children who are lacking in basic skills socially, educationally, emotionally etc. Then yes, they are a great thing.
There are many many parents who struggle for many reasons, their own upbringing was far from satisfactory, their understanding of how to parent constructively is lacking, they have little or no support from their family or friends etc. They benefit hugely from 'professional parenting' although your terminology is incorrect. These agencies are supportservices. They supportthe parents. They are valuable and indispensable.
I would say that uniqueness is inherent and would lead us to the nature/nurture debate rather than a debate about 'professional parenting'
As for 'Every Child Matters' that is a document for everyone to understand that indeed - every child matters. It is not just for professionals it is for everyone to use to support them in understanding that children have rights. It forces lay people to look at their culpability when their next door neighbour is abusing their children and they stand by and allow it to go unreported amongst many other area's of guidance.
OH For god sakes what ever next banghead
Is their nothing this shower of s##t for an excuse for a goverment wont stick there nose in and stuff up.
yes some families have problems... but please :shock: isn't the problem to many goverments banned parents being parents in the 1st place rolleyes
Will add to this thread when im not so tired of yet more labour bobby bulls##t quangoo :small-print: :bs:
Mr s
I don't consider myself to be a parent of problem children. I'm just an ordinary working Mum with an average income and a balanced family life. However twice in fairly recent years I have had cause to seek advice over issues that my eldest son has had because my parenting skills were at a loss at what to do for the best and I was at the end of my tether. Both times I recieved help and support that helped in a positive way.
I agree that in many areas "the government" or "society" itself has made parenting very difficult by making things ok that didn't used to be ok or in some cases the other way around. However in some areas such as child abuse these changes have been necessary for children who need to, to speak out.
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I'm very lucky to have wonderful children so have never needed help, but I think its a good idea to have help available to those parents who come up against problems that they find it difficult to deal with.
I think some parents may take this as an insult to their parenting skills but I see it more as an olive branch....
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I'm very lucky to have wonderful children so have never needed help, but I think its a good idea to have help available to those parents who come up against problems that they find it difficult to deal with.
I think some parents may take this as an insult to their parenting skills but I see it more as an olive branch....

:shock: You better go and lie down rolleyes
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I'm very lucky to have wonderful children so have never needed help, but I think its a good idea to have help available to those parents who come up against problems that they find it difficult to deal with.
I think some parents may take this as an insult to their parenting skills but I see it more as an olive branch....

:shock: You better go and lie down rolleyes
You feeling randy then....... :roll:
Every Child Matters was created as government policy for a reason - based upon a wide range of services supporting children and families not working closely enough together to ensure that children didnt slip through the beaucracy gaps in information sharing.
The principles behind the policy are, as Splendid says, about every child. Its more about preventative measures than about trying to resolve problems after the event. The Sure Start Chilrens Centre were set up as one small part of trying to look at what the real issues are. The policy is looking to support children, young people and their families.
I have seen through the world of my ex how services in the past before ECM do not work together. His daughter had 9 different services working to 'help' when she ran away at the age of 13. None of them shared data and in the end none of them actually helped. This was not about the individuals who all wanted to help - just the systems at the time lent themselves to working in silos.
Big brother is with us now and that will not ever go away. Corporate parenting is an interesting concept as in a way we have a corporate education system through the national curriculum. We live in a world where morals and values are accepted as part of our different cultures - whether I agree with them or not. I think the 5 core values of Every Child Matters - Be safe, Healthy, Enjoy and achieve,Make a positive contribution, Achieve economic well - are things I can buy into.
I would never defend bad services or taking away the rights of parents to be just that but I do believe when we have chidren we do not 'own' them as commodities. They are lives that need protecting and I am just glad mine have all grown up safely.
Since Labour came to power, spending on Britain's state schools has more than doubled. Last year they spent , up from in 1996-97. Even adjusting for general inflation, the increase is over 60%, a massive uplift. :shock:
Fair enough you say. That's what the voters wanted.
But spending money is easy. What we haven't had is the results. sad
Let's just recap the latest revelations:
· Pre-primary skills among five-year olds are unchanged despite a £21bn programme to improve them.
· 3Rs skills among seven-year olds are stalled, with eg 20% failing to reach the minimum expected standard in writing.
· 3Rs skills among eleven-year olds are stalled, with 60% failing to reach the minimum expected standard in reading, writing, and maths.
· Core attainment among fourteen-year olds is also stalled, with nearly 40% failing to reach the minimum expected standard in English, maths, and science
· At GCSE 54% still fail to gain 5 A-C grades including both English and Maths (see excellent Chris Woodhead article here)
· A Level results continue to soar, but we now know they are two whole grades easier than twenty years ago
CBI head Richard Lambert says business has "very little interest" in that ludicrous Labour target for 50% of all kids to go through higher education:
We now spend £11bn pa on higher education, which has students, or 4% of the entire population (including 27,000 doing our old favourite, the degree in media studies). Participation is being ramped up, even though according to the OECD, at 39.3%, our graduation rate is already above the 34.8% average, and ahead of both the US (33.6%) and Japan (36.1%).
We're not only wasting taxpayers money, we're also wasting the time and money of many students themselves. It is a classic triumph of quantity over quality (aka Soviet tractor production). wink
Meanwhile, as Lambert says, far too many kids (c 20%) leave school unable to read and write properly, let alone having a good attitude to work.
And I havent even started looking into the rest of this new dawn action pack movie, coming to a council near to you soon. Funded by the dreams are us gov .com.. rolleyes cool
Mr s
lol :lol: :lol:
Do like above but the thing is what you say may or may not be accurate depending on any spin politicaly you want to put on what they have done. But yes kids are still coming out of schools without basic skills -that hasnt changed since the 1970's and probably before that.
Yes agree widening participation means degrees are bloody expensive ways to get to work in Tescos biggrin .
I told all my kids to get skills not degrees as all my friends with money have trades not bits of paper - thats what Leitch says, we need skills, but my kids wont do that. They will do what they want to do, not what I want them to do.
I have some great reports on world competitiveness and as parents we should be aware of what is happening globally in term of world economics if we want our children to have opportunities and hopefully their own homes in the future.
Knock this government as much as we want on their policies - thats what we all do including me - but the global picture means any government we have in has to deal with a growing elderly population, displacement of manufacturing and engineering to third world countries and many countries taking over from the UK and USA in terms of economic growth.
Hear what you're saying Corrie and I agree - my daughter is training to be a pharmacy technician rather than doing a degree (on the advice of lots of people, including myself). However, my son is now seriously considering an engineering degree and we're supporting him on that route. I went back to university as a mature student and I'm doing OK. What works for one person, doesn't work for another.
My sister has two young children, both very bright and when her eldest daughter went up to secondary school she found it, put simply "boring". Despite being in the top sets, in one of the best schools in the area she wasn't being challenged... and started finding other activities to keep her amused...
The school didn't contact my sister when her daughter started skipping school, in fact she had missed over three-quartes of a term before my sister found out about it... by then her daughter had taken up smoking, been drinking alcohol and even experimented with drugs... at the age of 11-12 years...
My sister HAD noticed something was wrong, she had asked the school, who instead of mentioning that she actually hadn't been attending simply said she was keeping up with her classes (and she was, despite not being there), her doctor refused to help, saying she !semmed ok" to him, meanwhile her daughter was becoming more and more aggressive and un-caring...
By the time the whole story came out, my sister was pulling her hair out, she had been to the school, social services, her doctor, charities and even the police... NO-ONE would help...
Its a year later now, and finally she has managed to get her daughter off the cigarettes, alcohol and drugs, we actually took her into our own home for 9 weeks (we live 200 miles away) to get her away from the youngsters she was mixing with and give her some time with no chance of getting hold of the alcohol etc... She has moved now, from Lancashire to eastbourne and the fresh start has hopefully helped, but where was the help then? Would this really help those in this sort of position? Or once again only those well-known trouble makers who ALREADY have social workers, ASBO's and police family support workers?
Her daughter although going off the rails, did so quietly, without being an outright nuisance to her neighbours or being vicious to others outside the family, and therefore wasn't classed as a problem... I don't see that changing, and yet its for these families that need the help...
I am in the interesting position of working in a newly built childrens centre, which was built on the site of a nursery school, which I worked in prior to the building of the centre.
Whilst it has been difficult to suddenly go from being the only fish in 'our' pond into a state of the art building which now houses the nursery school, a toddler group and a private day care facility, as well as, what were once, the Sure Start Initiatives. Its also got its plus sides.
We can offer services for every child, no matter what their socio-economic background and financial income. We can monitor children who are thought to be at risk or from families that need extra help, discreetly, and either point them in the direction of that help, or also alert other authorities of our concerns.
They are less likely to fall through a gap, as the centre houses not only educational and childcare facilities, but social services, health visitors, childminders groups, community services and youth groups, as well as offering corpearte hospitality and training courses for the general public and users from many other sectors.
So children & families can be monitored through the stages of asking for, being referred to, and receiving help.
The thing I do applaud most, is that the birth to three matters and the surestart cut off age of 4 years have been replaced/revised and now the 'every child matters' encompasses children from 0-19, as parents dont stop needing help with their kids once they reach the age of 4 do they dunno
You need a licence to drive a car, go fishing, ride a motorbike and own a gun, but anyone can be a parent.
Just thinking aloud.
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You need a licence to drive a car, go fishing, ride a motorbike and own a gun, but anyone can be a parent.
Just thinking aloud.

hmmm... but look at all the idiots out there with these licences! I'm sure everyone could come up with instances of people who shouldn't have their licence, why would parenting be any different? (and how many people are on the road WITHOUT a licence at any one time anyway? like they care!)
having had help from the above mentioned place and elsewhere i have to say they are a very good idea. some people do not need there help others though do need it and sometimes its not a question of parenting, these places are first and foremost for the children not matter of their background or upbringing or parentage