We are probable not right group to ask, but I will ask anyway.
As you may have seen on the news. Two prostitute have been murdered. So the question I ask is,
'Given the choice which would you find most acceptable. Your life partner goes to the police and gives a witness statement of what he had seen when leaving the arms of a prostitute and you find out; or he does not go to the police and you never find out.'
I asked my wife. She said If I had nipped down town it would different to being far away from her.
I am not asking for advise! Just an opinion.
My own is 'I would be far more up set if my wife failed to go to the police.'
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Sex God
police deffo. You have to think about peoples lives - this person can do it again :censored:
Sex God
Police.
Nobody in their right mind is going to answer any differently on here, are they, if you really think about it?
Nobody in their right mind is going to answer any differently on here, are they, if you really think about it?
Did it annoy anyone else when the 2 women were refered to as "2 prostitutes" on the news - as if somehow that was different to 2 human beings?
If they were 2 bank clerks, or 2 women who worked as check-out assistants, or local government officers, or WHATEVER, Im sure it would'nt have been mentioned.
I feel that the implication was that the fact that they were working girls somehow made their murder not as heinous as if they had not been working in the sex industry.
If they were 2 bank clerks, or 2 women who worked as check-out assistants, or local government officers, or WHATEVER, Im sure it would'nt have been mentioned.
I feel that the implication was that the fact that they were working girls somehow made their murder not as heinous as if they had not been working in the sex industry.
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Did it annoy anyone else when the 2 women were refered to as "2 prostitutes" on the news - as if somehow that was different to 2 human beings?
If they were 2 bank clerks, or 2 women who worked as check-out assistants, or local government officers, or WHATEVER, Im sure it would'nt have been mentioned.
I feel that the implication was that the fact that they were working girls somehow made their murder not as heinous as if they had not been working in the sex industry.
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My thoughts exactly.
I tried to post a similar thread early on but as SH was playing up I gave up.
No one, no matter what thier job should die for what they do.
When the culprit is caught the "Do Gooders" will make sure culprit gets an easy sentance.
Phredd
Always disturbs me when the media tells us what to think. This is supposed to be a country where we appreciate diversity, let alone on this site, but we still pigeon hole everybody for the sake of sensationalism! TV or Paper, they are all as bad as one another. Just that TV is more up to date at it.
It's for that and one other personal reason that I don't allow newspapers in this house. My parents bring them in on the sole understanding that they remove their crap when they leave
So yes, it annoys me too.
It's for that and one other personal reason that I don't allow newspapers in this house. My parents bring them in on the sole understanding that they remove their crap when they leave
So yes, it annoys me too.
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Did it annoy anyone else when the 2 women were refered to as "2 prostitutes" on the news - as if somehow that was different to 2 human beings?
If they were 2 bank clerks, or 2 women who worked as check-out assistants, or local government officers, or WHATEVER, Im sure it would'nt have been mentioned.
I feel that the implication was that the fact that they were working girls somehow made their murder not as heinous as if they had not been working in the sex industry.
totally agree, this has been annoying me ever since the story broke, its the typical media sensationalism, ok, from the medias viewpoint, two prostitutes have been found dead, but what of the girls parents - someone has lost a daughter, is their anguish not enough to wreck their family, but to have every story saying what they did for a living screaming out to them, must be even harder to bear
I think it is important that they stated the women were prostitutes if they believe the two murders are related. If there was a potential serial killer who was targeting people in your line of work (or even something like using an internet swinging site as a connection), wouldn't you want that mentioned?
However, it should have been reported first and foremost as two women, rather than two prostitutes.
However, it should have been reported first and foremost as two women, rather than two prostitutes.
Sex God
I don't think highlighting that they are prostitutes makes the crime any less heinous than it is, I think it just shows how much more vulnerable prostitutes really are to this sort of thing.
I too would also go for the police option!
M xx
I too would also go for the police option!
M xx
By the way, it now appears to be three. Another body has been discovered tonight according to the news and you guessed it! Another prostitute.
Actually, if you take a quick glance at the beeb news site you will just catch a glimpse of them describing a woman's body first and foremost. Perhaps we are being watched!
Actually, if you take a quick glance at the beeb news site you will just catch a glimpse of them describing a woman's body first and foremost. Perhaps we are being watched!
Sex God
To answer the original question, were I in that situation, I am quite sure that Sappho would rather I went to the police than to deny I had been anywhere near a red light district 'in the night in question'.
To be fair, the Suffolk Police have also made it clear that if anyone comes forward to help them then they will protect their anonymity.
Regarding the fact that they keep reporting this as the murder of prostitutes rather than just 'women' I happen to think that is valid. Certainly, when I was listening to the news, my heart went out to their families because I kept thinking that it must be awful enough for a daughter to be murdered without having the fact that she was a prostitute broadcast over national television.
However, I do think that it is a relevant fact. It seems that all three (I understand that it is now three) victims were picked up from a red light district. had the girls NOT been working as prostitutes then they probably wouldn't have been murdered. That most certainly does NOT make the crime any less heinous - but it is a relevant fact.
If there was a serial killer who was targeting left handed people then it would be appropriate to mention it. I expect the police to pursue this investigation to the utmost of their power and I want to see the the culprit given the maximum sentence possible. In order to achieve that I do think the public need to know as much as is reasonable to know. If prostitutes are being targeted then we need to know - but it is still murder.
Will
To be fair, the Suffolk Police have also made it clear that if anyone comes forward to help them then they will protect their anonymity.
Regarding the fact that they keep reporting this as the murder of prostitutes rather than just 'women' I happen to think that is valid. Certainly, when I was listening to the news, my heart went out to their families because I kept thinking that it must be awful enough for a daughter to be murdered without having the fact that she was a prostitute broadcast over national television.
However, I do think that it is a relevant fact. It seems that all three (I understand that it is now three) victims were picked up from a red light district. had the girls NOT been working as prostitutes then they probably wouldn't have been murdered. That most certainly does NOT make the crime any less heinous - but it is a relevant fact.
If there was a serial killer who was targeting left handed people then it would be appropriate to mention it. I expect the police to pursue this investigation to the utmost of their power and I want to see the the culprit given the maximum sentence possible. In order to achieve that I do think the public need to know as much as is reasonable to know. If prostitutes are being targeted then we need to know - but it is still murder.
Will
Used to write for the papers until I fell out with the media. Whoever it was that said he won't allow newspapers in the house I have to agree with. But I'd also say that when two MOT inspectors where murdered in a garage in Leeds a few years back the media did not describe them as men, people, or fairy folk it described them as MOT inspectors. The labeling you refering to was probably applied by the media in this case because it is relevant. I might be wrong but if I was writing the story I would have described them as prostitutes too, not to sex up the story in any way and not because I think a hooker isn't a human, just because I would have deemed it relevant and descriptive.
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'Given the choice which would you find most acceptable. Your life partner goes to the police and gives a witness statement of what he had seen when leaving the arms of a prostitute and you find out; or he does not go to the police and you never find out.'
Definately the first option for me. I've thought for a long time that if a partener needed something sexually that I couldn't offer them for whatever reason that I would much rather them use a hooker rather than say for instance have an affair. I don't think I'd want to be aware of the fact though but if they had any knowledge that would help in any way I would definately encourage them to go to the police.
As many have said already I don't agree with the way the media have labelled these poor women simply as prostitutes but I do believe that this information is important not just for the general public but more so for the people working in the industry as they need to be aware of a heightened danger in the area.
Assumed facts to date
1. three women working as prostitutes have been kill.
Other women in the same job have a right to know of the increased risk.
2. it has been a matter of day between killing.
This is not the normal pattern of a serial killer. The kill rate is far to high.
3. the police are desperate for facts.
Any source of information will be protected. A murder enquiry is only interested in the murder, not a guy picking up some fun. Unless that is part of the crime.
So.
It is important that the women are prostitutes. Putting it in the media may save lives. There is going to be another killing soon, if this is a real serial killer.
If anyone does not come forward now with information, and someone dies; they are going to be condemned by most. Not for picking up prostitute, but for being so self centred.
Travis.
1. three women working as prostitutes have been kill.
Other women in the same job have a right to know of the increased risk.
2. it has been a matter of day between killing.
This is not the normal pattern of a serial killer. The kill rate is far to high.
3. the police are desperate for facts.
Any source of information will be protected. A murder enquiry is only interested in the murder, not a guy picking up some fun. Unless that is part of the crime.
So.
It is important that the women are prostitutes. Putting it in the media may save lives. There is going to be another killing soon, if this is a real serial killer.
If anyone does not come forward now with information, and someone dies; they are going to be condemned by most. Not for picking up prostitute, but for being so self centred.
Travis.
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Assumed facts to date
1. three women working as prostitutes have been kill.
Other women in the same job have a right to know of the increased risk.
2. it has been a matter of day between killing.
This is not the normal pattern of a serial killer. The kill rate is far to high.
3. the police are desperate for facts.
Any source of information will be protected. A murder enquiry is only interested in the murder, not a guy picking up some fun. Unless that is part of the crime.
So.
It is important that the women are prostitutes. Putting it in the media may save lives. There is going to be another killing soon, if this is a real serial killer.
If anyone does not come forward now with information, and someone dies; they are going to be condemned by most. Not for picking up prostitute, but for being so self centred.
Travis.
It's an unfortunate fact, the Police are looking for information from people they have been harrassing by sending letters to their home address for being seen in a red light district in their car. Is it any wonder they don't feel they can be co-operative and will not believe them when they promise anonymity?
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Assumed facts to date
1. three women working as prostitutes have been kill.
Other women in the same job have a right to know of the increased risk.
2. it has been a matter of day between killing.
This is not the normal pattern of a serial killer. The kill rate is far to high.
So.
It is important that the women are prostitutes. Putting it in the media may save lives. There is going to be another killing soon, if this is a real serial killer.
just to pick up on this (point 2) ( I know, I'm being pedantic, but if you're going to talk about behaviour patterns of serial killers, its important) - it hasnt been days between killings, its been 2 weeks (between the 1st and 2nd victim) but days between the findings of the bodies ..... so the pattern itself is 'credible' (yet still very intense) and the police may very well be dealing with a 'true' serial killer. I havent read details of the 3rd victim found yet, but the timeline will be interesting (I realise that may sound distateful to some people, I apologise in advance)
Unfortunately, while I agree that putting it in the media raises awareness, and at the moment the fear factor is keeping many women off the streets, its a bare fact that many street prostitutes haveto go out to work, and will do, thus increasing the liklihood it will happen again. :sad:
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Jesus.
Of course the fact that they are all prostitutes is relevant, but I object to they way they are defined as prostitutes before anything else. One news report I heard referred to the (then) "two women........who were working as prostitutes".
Far more sensitive imho than "two prostitutes"- just a little thought and the same thing sounds totally different.
Far more sensitive imho than "two prostitutes"- just a little thought and the same thing sounds totally different.
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Assumed facts to date
1. three women working as prostitutes have been kill.
Other women in the same job have a right to know of the increased risk.
2. it has been a matter of day between killing.
This is not the normal pattern of a serial killer. The kill rate is far to high.
So.
It is important that the women are prostitutes. Putting it in the media may save lives. There is going to be another killing soon, if this is a real serial killer.
just to pick up on this (point 2) ( I know, I'm being pedantic, but if you're going to talk about behaviour patterns of serial killers, its important) - it hasnt been days between killings, its been 2 weeks (between the 1st and 2nd victim) but days between the findings of the bodies ..... so the pattern itself is 'credible' (yet still very intense) and the police may very well be dealing with a 'true' serial killer. I havent read details of the 3rd victim found yet, but the timeline will be interesting (I realise that may sound distateful to some people, I apologise in advance)
Unfortunately, while I agree that putting it in the media raises awareness, and at the moment the fear factor is keeping many women off the streets, its a bare fact that many street prostitutes haveto go out to work, and will do, thus increasing the liklihood it will happen again. :sad:
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Jesus.
Very true, but the first gap is normally at least a month, and killing is not normally the first step. Normal is a strange word to use here, I know.
Travis.
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Assumed facts to date
1. three women working as prostitutes have been kill.
Other women in the same job have a right to know of the increased risk.
2. it has been a matter of day between killing.
This is not the normal pattern of a serial killer. The kill rate is far to high.
3. the police are desperate for facts.
Any source of information will be protected. A murder enquiry is only interested in the murder, not a guy picking up some fun. Unless that is part of the crime.
So.
It is important that the women are prostitutes. Putting it in the media may save lives. There is going to be another killing soon, if this is a real serial killer.
If anyone does not come forward now with information, and someone dies; they are going to be condemned by most. Not for picking up prostitute, but for being so self centred.
Travis.
It's an unfortunate fact, the Police are looking for information from people they have been harrassing by sending letters to their home address for being seen in a red light district in their car. Is it any wonder they don't feel they can be co-operative and will not believe them when they promise anonymity?
A very good point. Is it now time to take this job off the streets and put it in well run establishments were everyone can be protected. With a legal standing.
Now it appears that there is a fifth woman missing who police are concerned about 
Let's hope the police don't find the same problems with co-operation that the 'Ripper squad' did in the late seventies-or maybe there won't be a public outcry until an 'innocent' victim is claimed.
This bastard needs catching.
Let's hope the police don't find the same problems with co-operation that the 'Ripper squad' did in the late seventies-or maybe there won't be a public outcry until an 'innocent' victim is claimed.
This bastard needs catching. Sex God
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A very good point. Is it now time to take this job off the streets and put it in well run establishments were everyone can be protected. With a legal standing.
I think actually (and this is just my opinion) that there are plenty of places that girls can work where they are offered differing levels of protection from the management, so if it is a genuine choice to work they are able to decide wheher to work on the streets or within a brothel. As for those that are not working for themselves and are being pimped I expect that this is not the case.
As for your second point about making it legal, I think I can quite safely say that the majority of the working girls in this country would rather the law stays as it is.......
I agree that the reports should state that these women worked as prostitutes, not to demean them in any way but to highlight the fact that this person is targeting certain women.
That said, they still have the right to be treated with dignity and respect despite their chosen occupation.
I hope this bastard is caught quickly
That said, they still have the right to be treated with dignity and respect despite their chosen occupation.
I hope this bastard is caught quickly
Just to pull another thread out of this
What role has the TV in this case. Almost every police program of TV has a serial killer, almost every serial killer murders women and in almost every case they are prostitutes. This of course is lazy writing by the script writers.
Is real life now inspired by the media?
What role has the TV in this case. Almost every police program of TV has a serial killer, almost every serial killer murders women and in almost every case they are prostitutes. This of course is lazy writing by the script writers.
Is real life now inspired by the media?
