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Sorry but I feel the need to have a moan ....
Being the type of person who likes to develop myself, I am always studying something. I had been studying through the OU for a few years but had to put things on hold as I just had too much going on with life in general and I have been concentrating on professional development via my employers.
I decided today that I needed to get back to my own personal development as it had been on the back burners for too long and so went onto the OU website to see what I would go and study next.
I noticed that the fees for the OU are now dependant on where you live. A part-time study module for 1 year now costs £2500 if you live in England (last time I looked the average module was around £650). However, if you love in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland, you only have to pay around £900!
How unfair is that!! Apparently, they have changed their fees in line with 'normal' universities. The English can't afford to go to 'normal' university and now can't afford the alternative of distance learning either!
Are we English destined to be an underdeveloped/skint nation??
We get ripped off for everything: Uni fees, prescriptions ...... what next?
So are you proud to be English? So much for 'a United Kingdom' and equality!!
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Sorry but I feel the need to have a moan ....
Being the type of person who likes to develop myself, I am always studying something. I had been studying through the OU for a few years but had to put things on hold as I just had too much going on with life in general and I have been concentrating on professional development via my employers.
I decided today that I needed to get back to my own personal development as it had been on the back burners for too long and so went onto the OU website to see what I would go and study next.
I noticed that the fees for the OU are now dependant on where you live. A part-time study module for 1 year now costs £2500 if you live in England (last time I looked the average module was around £650). However, if you love in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland, you only have to pay around £900!
How unfair is that!! Apparently, they have changed their fees in line with 'normal' universities. The English can't afford to go to 'normal' university and now can't afford the alternative of distance learning either!
Are we English destined to be an underdeveloped/skint nation??
We get ripped off for everything: Uni fees, prescriptions ...... what next?
So are you proud to be English? So much for 'a United Kingdom' and equality!!

we are no longer English we are now just doormats
I had the very same idea Funlovers and was every bit as pissed off when I discovered the increased cost. It's worse than you suggest. The £2500 is for a module worth 60 credits. An honours degree requires you study modules worth 360 credits, so if you wanted to really apply yourself and do it quick over three years as with a full-time degree it's £5000 a year. I don't quite understand how the fees can be justified given the O.U. must have massively lower costs than even a small red-brick given they've no campus to maintain. confused
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I had the very same idea Funlovers and was every bit as pissed off when I discovered the increased cost. It's worse than you suggest. The £2500 is for a module worth 60 credits. An honours degree requires you study modules worth 360 credits, so if you wanted to really apply yourself and do it quick over three years as with a full-time degree it's £5000 a year. I don't quite understand how the fees can be justified given the O.U. must have massively lower costs than even a small red-brick given they've no campus to maintain. confused

You seen their HQ? Its Palatial - like walking into another world. That's where half the freaking money goes.
Yeah, I see the OU have proper fucked up. Sign of the times, sadly.
No I am no longer proud to be British, not just because our alcohol culture has embarrassed us abroad and our binge drinking accepted by many as being perfectly natural.
Or because obesity in Country is amongst the worst around or child pregnancies or
Not just because we get kicked around and have to take it up the arse for europe.
Not even because we have to support the USA in anything it does in order to retain thier support with a global voice or military assistance.
I am ashamed to be British because a stream of governments and thier immigration policies and "doing it the cricket way" has made us a laughing stock and a dumping ground for anyone and anything other countries want to get rid of not to mention being the financial prop for the EU and other Countries such as Pakistan and Africa.
That said I am British and English and I would still give my life for this Country, I just wish I could do it for somewhere that makes me prouder of my heritage.
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No I am no longer proud to be British, not just because our alcohol culture has embarrassed us abroad and our binge drinking accepted by many as being perfectly natural.
Or because obesity in Country is amongst the worst around or child pregnancies or
Not just because we get kicked around and have to take it up the arse for europe.
Not even because we have to support the USA in anything it does in order to retain thier support with a global voice or military assistance.
I am ashamed to be British because a stream of governments and thier immigration policies and "doing it the cricket way" has made us a laughing stock and a dumping ground for anyone and anything other countries want to get rid of not to mention being the financial prop for the EU and other Countries such as Pakistan and Africa.
That said I am British and English and I would still give my life for this Country, I just wish I could do it for somewhere that makes me prouder of my heritage.

Being asian even though i agree with you in nearly all you have said, when asked what i am i do refer to my self as British Religion (Stating my religious back ground).
Only when i am asked my hertiage or my parents back ground do i say Indian.
Well if you are born in Britain you are British with Indian heritage you should be proud of your heritage and you should never forget it but allegiance should always be to the Country of your birth, with certain exceptions.
For examply my eldest daughter was born in Germany, I was a serving soldier at the time and she was born in a British Military Hospital and registered with the British Consulate as a German born British Citizen, there are hundreds of thousands of such cases.
When it comes to Indian immigrants I have a special thought towards them, when in the past we offered to rule thier Country for them one of the bargaining chips was that they would become part of the British Empire and have the right of abode in England, you cannot just take that away at a later date, Indian troops have died in thier hundreds of thousands for this Country over the years, they still serve in the British Army today, mostly Sikhs but there are no less than 500 muslims currently serving in the British Army, some deployed in Afganistan and Iraq right now.
I believe that the Indians, the Nepalese (Ghurkas), Fijians, Burmese that have served this country in our armed forces have a special right to live in a place they fought for. I don't mean allies like the Belgians or Australians who fought alongside us under thier own Countries flag, I mean those that were commanded by British Officers in British Uniforms and under British High Command.
One I came accross in the past annoyed me though, a friend who had served in the British army for a long time and served on active service in Northern Ireland and Cyprus (74) applied for a passport, something he was required to do under army regulations as he was soon to be departing for the Falkland Islands campaign.
His passport application was refused on the grounds that his Father had been born in Hong Kong (because his Grandfather had been serving there in the army) and his Grandfather had been born in India (because his Great Grandfather had been serving there in the Army)
So because his family had served thier Country he was not allowed a British Passport, a special application had to be made to the Home Office and he was eventually granted a British Passport, surely though not common, this has happened before and will happen again and legistlation should be in place to cover those circumstances without putting such people through the embarrassent of having to be a "special case".
I'm a scouser and proud of it
Proud to be English?

Nope. I'm one of those annoying people who prefers to be called British, but when faced with no choice, I'm Welsh. It's one tiny little island on the edge of Europe that doesn't really have anything to offer the world any more. I can't wait for the chance to emigrate!
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Proud to be English?

Nope. I'm one of those annoying people who prefers to be called British, but when faced with no choice, I'm Welsh. It's one tiny little island on the edge of Europe that doesn't really have anything to offer the world any more. I can't wait for the chance to emigrate!
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Proud to be English?

Nope. I'm one of those annoying people who prefers to be called British, but when faced with no choice, I'm Welsh. It's one tiny little island on the edge of Europe that doesn't really have anything to offer the world any more. I can't wait for the chance to emigrate!
Bye, don't bother wasting time closing the door on your way out but why are you still here ? emigration is easy you could leave tomorrow you will even have the priviledge of being able to call upon the British Consulate should you find yourself with a problem abroad.
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Proud to be English?

Nope. I'm one of those annoying people who prefers to be called British, but when faced with no choice, I'm Welsh. It's one tiny little island on the edge of Europe that doesn't really have anything to offer the world any more. I can't wait for the chance to emigrate!
Bye, don't bother wasting time closing the door on your way out but why are you still here ? emigration is easy you could leave tomorrow you will even have the priviledge of being able to call upon the British Consulate should you find yourself with a problem abroad.
I'd expect things like finances, family and/or work commitments etc make emigration far from 'easy'. rolleyes
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Proud to be English?

Nope. I'm one of those annoying people who prefers to be called British, but when faced with no choice, I'm Welsh. It's one tiny little island on the edge of Europe that doesn't really have anything to offer the world any more. I can't wait for the chance to emigrate!
Bye, don't bother wasting time closing the door on your way out but why are you still here ? emigration is easy you could leave tomorrow you will even have the priviledge of being able to call upon the British Consulate should you find yourself with a problem abroad.
I'd expect things like finances, family and/or work commitments etc make emigration far from 'easy'. rolleyes
Hammer, nail, head. I need to finish my degree and find a job to go to first. I'll always be proud to be British, but I don't want to be here in the current climate.
I'm a very proud Englishman but I despair at what it is becoming / has become. The way the once proud Englishman/woman now just bends over and allows anyone passing to screw them over without a whimper of protest is just plain pathetic. A nation now more interested in soap operas, moronic talent shows and nauseating reality TV than in anything worthwhile.
As for the OU if it is going to cost £15,000 for a degree then for that money you can study at some very good universities in far more pleasant places than the UK.
What a silly little joke the UK is fast becoming
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Proud to be English?

Nope. I'm one of those annoying people who prefers to be called British, but when faced with no choice, I'm Welsh. It's one tiny little island on the edge of Europe that doesn't really have anything to offer the world any more. I can't wait for the chance to emigrate!
Bye, don't bother wasting time closing the door on your way out but why are you still here ? emigration is easy you could leave tomorrow you will even have the priviledge of being able to call upon the British Consulate should you find yourself with a problem abroad.
I'd expect things like finances, family and/or work commitments etc make emigration far from 'easy'. rolleyes
Hammer, nail, head. I need to finish my degree and find a job to go to first. I'll always be proud to be British, but I don't want to be here in the current climate.
So you want to use the British education system and then dump the Country that has given you your education, why not study for your degree in the Country you want to emigrate to ? family, irrelevant your going to leave them to emigrate so what has timing to do with that, finances, I expect you will be getting a job wherever you decide to go so that should not be a problem, you can live like a king in Thailand for a few hundred pounds of savings, I understand people wanting to emigrate for a whole host of reasons, there is nothing wrong with that, but if you want to leave because you don't like this Country, go do it, don't delay, it must be better somewhere else dunno
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Proud to be English?

Nope. I'm one of those annoying people who prefers to be called British, but when faced with no choice, I'm Welsh. It's one tiny little island on the edge of Europe that doesn't really have anything to offer the world any more. I can't wait for the chance to emigrate!
Bye, don't bother wasting time closing the door on your way out but why are you still here ? emigration is easy you could leave tomorrow you will even have the priviledge of being able to call upon the British Consulate should you find yourself with a problem abroad.
I'd expect things like finances, family and/or work commitments etc make emigration far from 'easy'. rolleyes
Hammer, nail, head. I need to finish my degree and find a job to go to first. I'll always be proud to be British, but I don't want to be here in the current climate.
So you want to use the British education system and then dump the Country that has given you your education, why not study for your degree in the Country you want to emigrate to ? family, irrelevant your going to leave them to emigrate so what has timing to do with that, finances, I expect you will be getting a job wherever you decide to go so that should not be a problem, you can live like a king in Thailand for a few hundred pounds of savings, I understand people wanting to emigrate for a whole host of reasons, there is nothing wrong with that, but if you want to leave because you don't like this Country, go do it, don't delay, it must be better somewhere else dunno
I didn't choose to be born here or grow up here. Yes, I am using the education this country gave me so that I can leave. Why shouldn't I? Even if I wanted to I couldn't afford to study abroad. Regardless, school is compulsory until age 16; are you suggesting that I should have skipped those 16 years of education to emigrate with morals intact? I didn't choose to be brought up in the UK, so why should I choose to stay here?
I don't just want to go anywhere but here - In 10 years I'd like to see myself settled in Australia or Canada, neither of which are too easy to get into unless you have family already there or something to offer the country. Fortunately I'm studying engineering which allows me the opportunity to emigrate to wherever I want for work.
As for family, yes I will be leaving family behind. I get on great with my family, close and extended. We're all spread out all over the UK and at times the world. We get on well enough that we don't feel the need to be at each others' beck and call all the time. Even now I don't often see them - 2 or 3 times a year. We're all very independent.
Economy, climate, work, social/culture differences, all are reasons I'd like to leave. Don't get me wrong, I don't HATE the UK at all. I'm sure there are things about other countries I'll dislike just as much, but surely that's my decision to make without some patriotic obligation...
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Nope. I'm one of those annoying people who prefers to be called British, but when faced with no choice, I'm Welsh. It's one tiny little island on the edge of Europe that doesn't really have anything to offer the world any more. I can't wait for the chance to emigrate!

I also class myself as British, but highlighted the differences in being English, Welsh, Scottish, or Irish in this thread as I feel that out of the British nations, the English seem to get a raw deal out of it. As highlighted earlier, education being one factor in this.
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I didn't choose to be born here or grow up here. Yes, I am using the education this country gave me so that I can leave. Why shouldn't I? Even if I wanted to I couldn't afford to study abroad.

Personally, I see no problem with gaining an education here and then to go on and use it elsewhere to build a better life for yourself. Especially as being Welsh, you get it far cheaper than you would abroad or in England. This is the point I was trying to make, I wouldn't have this opportunity, being English.
Go for it!
I am not either British OR English - I am both. I am also Yorkshire, Northern, European (when compared with the American, Autralasian or Asian continents) and a Yorkie (from York). It's all to do with what the comparison under discussion is.
Am I proud to be any of them? Not really - they are facts of birth, and to be 'proud' of being born somewhere is as irrelevant as being 'proud' of being female. I just AM.
I don't think you can sensibly be proud of something you have not had a hand in bringing about. I AM proud (damned proud in fact) of being an Engineer and an engineering trainer.
You can be proud of something your kids achieve too, of course. But that is a different kind of pride.
Do I like this country? Yes. I love it - but that is absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with my feelings about the *********** that are in government. But then I feel the same about all governments so at least I am unbiased.
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When it comes to Indian immigrants I have a special thought towards them, when in the past we offered to rule thier Country for them one of the bargaining chips was that they would become part of the British Empire and have the right of abode in England, you cannot just take that away at a later date, Indian troops have died in thier hundreds of thousands for this Country over the years, they still serve in the British Army today, mostly Sikhs but there are no less than 500 muslims currently serving in the British Army, some deployed in Afganistan and Iraq right now.
I believe that the Indians, the Nepalese (Ghurkas), Fijians, Burmese that have served this country in our armed forces have a special right to live in a place they fought for. I don't mean allies like the Belgians or Australians who fought alongside us under thier own Countries flag, I mean those that were commanded by British Officers in British Uniforms and under British High Command.

Kings African Rifles? dunno
Dave_Notts
we didn't actually offer to run their country for them. We just took it, plundered the wealth and imposed our ethics and religions shooting those that disagreed. Pretty much the same as most invaders have done throughout history.
Love the post though, very thought provoking! wink
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we didn't actually offer to run their country for them. We just took it, plundered the wealth and imposed our ethics and religions shooting those that disagreed. Pretty much the same as most invaders have done throughout history.
Love the post though, very thought provoking! wink

We didn't quite impose our religion as christianity was already there. It didn't just spread west but east as well. Their style of christianity has different gospel writers but basically the same.
The one religion the British did stop was Tuggee (Thuggee). If you google it you'll know why...........and also where the word "thug" comes from lol
Dave_Notts
I used to be Proud to be English.
But not no more :sad:
Tony.