Sometimes, when people let their guard down, you get an amazing insight on human nature. I was talking from experience, gained by talking to people who had suffered abuse in one form or another.
I think that a Dangerous Liasons theme would be interesting, although hardly feminine in my everyday appearance I would quite fancy the whole hooped skirt and bodice thing (along with a bit of skirt lifting too :twisted: )
Have to agree with some points from both here............. but swaying towards De Sade as from personal experience some folk on here struggle with day to day reality let alone serious fantasy... Also brings up the whole double standards thing! Where the line is drawn becomes very unclear........ Just my own opinion!
Mike x
Bickle did you say, sorry, no can say here. PM on it's way.
Surely the danger of this sort of thing is that it gives a clear message to those men who can't take no for an answer that maybe, just maybe, the woman they're forcing themselves on actually wants it. After all they've read it here haven't they - all these horny women wanting to have men forcing themselves on them! What more encouragement do they need?
Given all the publicity about the difficulties inherent in prosecuting say within marriage, I find the notion that fantasy is OK to be quite absurd and wonder what the women's groups who see as no matter what the cirrcumstanbces would think of all this.
Women can't have it both ways can they - if there is to be zero tolerance of ' ' (whether it be violent assault by a stranger or just some fun which went too far because somebody was drunk) then there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that fantasy is not acceptable. How long will it be before a guy gets off a legitimate charge because the defence can prove his victim was a fantasist?
There have to be lines drawn in the sand from time to time and this is one such issue.
If you read from towards the bottom of page 2 onwards, you'll see that time and time again the act of has never been condoned. It sickens everyone.
I struggled with the right wording on my posts and was so relieved when Tania and Darkfire got it for me - it was the 'loss of control' fantasy and role play, as opposed to the extreme wording of ' fantasy', which by the way I wholeheartedly agree, that word is too extreme to be used in fantasy talk or scenarios. It's a word that should be kept to its horrific meaning and really shouldn't be trivialised in any way (which is what I was struggling with if you read back).
Generalising the majority, feeding lines, planting sordid seeds is what I was scared of when I contributed to this thread. If you're going to insinuate something, then maybe it's better to ask a person to claify their meaning beforehand, it could save a whole lot of mess, and also prevent a difficult subject from being pulled.
I could give other examples of double standards where the 'Vikings and Wenches' were just ripped apart then - yet other stuff is left to it's intended meaning, as something fun.
Once again I'll ask, please don't insinutate someones wording on something as sensitive as this, ask for clarification - because I know that ALL the people who have contributed to this thread have posted with non malicious and non trivialising intentions.
insinuation of this kind cannot be condoned, as has been said by numerous contributers there are to many grey areas here. if you wish NO to mean No in this particular community where etiquette is everything ,then this may turn out to be a self full filling fantasy that would. No will lead someone to harm some one and that cannot be promoted in any shape or form , particularily on a site such as this.
This is such an emotive subject I've refrained from posting because I'm worried I might not be able to explain myself properly!!!
Ok... please don't flame me if I offend you - it's merely one person’s opinion!
Yes I agree that and fantasy are TOTALLY different and really shouldn't be called that - in the past I've heard it referred to as 'forced sex role play' which is just a polite way of saying the same thing.
What's making me annoyed is some suggestions that women shouldn't have these fantasies a) because it perpetuates or b) because it could turn into a self-fulfilling prophesy! It’s bad enough that people get – let alone that you can’t have fantasies in your own private bedroom. Is that a bit like if a woman in wearing a short skirt she’s obviously gagging for it?
If a man thinks that women discussing a fantasy is an indicator to really wanting to be then he has a less than average IQ and sexual issues. But I do agree that we all have a moral duty to be clear about the differences between the two.
Of course there are vulnerable women (and men and children!) out there that need to be protected from harm but telling them that they are plain wrong or messed is just going to make them keep it a secret anyway and what does that achieve?
I don’t know if fantasising about it is making society somehow desensitised to – has always happened and I think although the prosecution rate is sickeningly low people are able to speak out more than ever before and hopefully get help to deal with a horrific event.
I’ve talked about and acted on all sorts of fantasies – but if I thought that a man I was with actually wanted me to genuinely suffer emotionally or physically I would most likely chop his manhood off!
I don’t know how you protect the people who have trouble differentiating between fantasy and reality but I don’t think making people feel wrong or bad for openly discussing it is a way forward.
I apologise if that reads like a disjointed ramble but it's just my thoughts.
To anyone thinking it is harmless to discuss such fantasies in chatrooms on a site where you get all types of people…
As has been expressed already - fantasies are very rarely truly about . It can be about control, lust, extremes of desire and being desired and a whole host of other things. People don’t often consider how their fantasy will be perceived by others - particularly if not clearly expressed.
Some things that are not generally considered by the average Joe that comes along…
1 - fantasies are fantasies (often more appealing left in the head - where they are controlled)
2 - the fantasy is appealing as in contains only what the owner desires, so even if the fantasy is about loss of control, subconsciously the owner is in control.
3 - the fantasy never really includes the true terror of being .
4 - in the fantasy (whilst in the head) the attacker never really presents a true sense of danger as this character has been created by the owner - for example… the owner does not endure the whole experience in fear that their life is endanger and they will be killed at the end of it.
5 - it is not unusual for the fantasy to involve a masked stranger - but again, whilst in the head, there is a subconscious reassurance that if the mask was removed the owner would not be repulsed by the attacker. The attackers image is more frequently than not someone they may be attracted to in normal circumstances.
6 - fantasies are straightforward to the owner (whilst in their head) but tend to be highly complex when they are explained
I could go on - but hopefully that is enough to get the point.
Now most level headed people do understand the concept of fantasies (even if they do not consider the complexity issues) - we don’t just have level headed people on this site though do we?
The problem with discussing such a fantasy in places such as an open to all chatroom is - some of the twats that come along do not understand. The perception is all the woman wants is to be forced to have sex regardless of appeals to stop and they are not fussy about who is doing it. There even presents the possibility that any female that pops up in such a room (even if it is to have a nosey) wants the same.
Now the twat (or the twat and his mates) begins to think they are the answer to this woman’s prayers.
The potential problems that could arise from the above should be pretty obvious by now.
Would calling it something else help the twats understand? I doubt it.
We already have people come on this site that think swingers are gagging to fuck anything that offers. When they stumble on a chatroom where women are expressing how they want to have control taken away from them and describe a forced sexual encounter (especially when the twat cannot read any of the previous conversation in the chatroom that may have taken place before they arrived)… again I hope you can work out for yourself where this is going.
There is a time and a place for such fantasies to be discussed (whatever name they are called) the chatroom is not one of them.
god give me strength
But without the burning or stabbing...
