Remember 9/11

13 Sep 2008

Quote by flower411
All innocent people that get killed through war or terrorism should be remembered!!
Nobody has the right in my honest opinion to inflict such barbaric acts upon humans no matter of what religion or political beliefs they may have if they are innocent of inflicting suffering to others. They have no reason to die!!!!!.

How long should we remember ??
When is it terrorism and when is it war ??
Without googling ...can anybody give the dates of the bombing of Dresden where the Americans and British killed tens of thousands of civlians ?
Hiroshima ring any bells ???
Nagasaki ???
The deliberate slaughter of civilians is absolutely reprehensible, no matter who carries out the killing, but for Americans to expect us to feel sorry for them because "they knew people that died on that terrible day" is the most childish of reactions ever !!
Try to come to terms with that atrocities being carried out on a daily basis by American troops all over the world and please please remember that the United States of America were built on the systematic murder of the indigenous population.

Spot on :thumbup:

Quote by Peanut
My sympathies are with every victim of terrorism (I also consider the war on Iraq as terrorism). I don't differentiate and I don't memorialise people purely because it's expected of me. I also choose not to say "the right thing" because that's what is expected of me because everybody else does it.

Can't fault that at all.
And name-calling isn't an acceptable response to anyone giving their opinion - everyone has the right to an opinion, regardless of whether or not people agree with it.

13 Sep 2008

Quote by Ego_kai_esy
At the end of the day, if you talk to any of the "terrorists", I'm sure that most of them will also have a heartbreaking story about lost ones as a result of american-sponsored wars. So, let's not mix politics (or even religion) with personal emotions, that would be plainly dangerous.
phuckers..... I don't agree with what happened after the attacks, but i don't feel that the two should be linked....

How invalid that statement is! It's like asking us not to link the Wall of Berlin to WWII. The history has been written and it should be examined as a whole. If we start compartmentalising history, then it's extremely easy to justify all sorts of barbaric acts.
Overall, emotions are not quantifiable where as finances are. And it's extremely easy to work out who's swiming in cash today as a result of WTC.
Again, spot on.

13 Sep 2008

Quote by flower411
All innocent people that get killed through war or terrorism should be remembered!!
Nobody has the right in my honest opinion to inflict such barbaric acts upon humans no matter of what religion or political beliefs they may have if they are innocent of inflicting suffering to others. They have no reason to die!!!!!.

How long should we remember ??
When is it terrorism and when is it war ??
Without googling ...can anybody give the dates of the bombing of Dresden where the Americans and British killed tens of thousands of civlians ?
Hiroshima ring any bells ???
Nagasaki ???
The deliberate slaughter of civilians is absolutely reprehensible, no matter who carries out the killing, but for Americans to expect us to feel sorry for them because "they knew people that died on that terrible day" is the most childish of reactions ever !!
Try to come to terms with that atrocities being carried out on a daily basis by American troops all over the world and please please remember that the United States of America were built on the systematic murder of the indigenous population.
And no ... I didn`t know any of them personally ...I suppose that makes it alright !!!
Those two events in history were done for a reason. You really need to study the times then and the reasons. If America and us had never dropped them bombs, Japan would never ever have surrendered. Many millions more would have been killed. I am not justifying thoses acts, just saying as it would have been.
Also you have to remember that Japan came into the war by bombing pearl Harbour. They WERE the aggressor not America.
I really do not think that America want us to " feel sorry for them ". They just want people to remember the innocents of 9/11. We could all go into the whys and wherefores of anything.
Also never forget as we sit here by our computers, watching our plasma tellys that without America coming to OUR aid, in the second world war things would be much different than they are now. People forget that. We would never have won the second world war without them. But people have convenient memories of that fact.
If in any doubt about that then look at the history, and you will find that we were on our knees, just as America came in. Think for a second about what would have happened had America not got involved and Hitler would have defeated us. The thought of that one should fill people with dread.
I do not agree with some of the things that are going on in the world now, either by America or us, or by the fanatics out there, who want to obliterate the West and all we stand for. We are about to have a son join the army and no doubt will serve out there, so we have a bit more to think about than most on the current troubles.
But you cannot and never should have to walk on by when terrorists hijack planes and then fly them into buildings, You HAVE to make a stand, and we did.
The terrorists picked on the wrong targets in us and America, and they will never win. In the end there are no winners and no losers as both sides will face both, but that happens in conflicts and always will.

13 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
All innocent people that get killed through war or terrorism should be remembered!!
Nobody has the right in my honest opinion to inflict such barbaric acts upon humans no matter of what religion or political beliefs they may have if they are innocent of inflicting suffering to others. They have no reason to die!!!!!.

How long should we remember ??
When is it terrorism and when is it war ??
Without googling ...can anybody give the dates of the bombing of Dresden where the Americans and British killed tens of thousands of civlians ?
Hiroshima ring any bells ???
Nagasaki ???
The deliberate slaughter of civilians is absolutely reprehensible, no matter who carries out the killing, but for Americans to expect us to feel sorry for them because "they knew people that died on that terrible day" is the most childish of reactions ever !!
Try to come to terms with that atrocities being carried out on a daily basis by American troops all over the world and please please remember that the United States of America were built on the systematic murder of the indigenous population.
And no ... I didn`t know any of them personally ...I suppose that makes it alright !!!
Those two events in history were done for a reason. You really need to study the times then and the reasons. If America and us had never dropped them bombs, Japan would never ever have surrendered. Many millions more would have been killed. I am not justifying thoses acts, just saying as it would have been.
Also you have to remember that Japan came into the war by bombing pearl Harbour. They WERE the aggressor not America.
I really do not think that America want us to " feel sorry for them ". They just want people to remember the innocents of 9/11. We could all go into the whys and wherefores of anything.
Also never forget as we sit here by our computers, watching our plasma tellys that without America coming to OUR aid, in the second world war things would be much different than they are now. People forget that. We would never have won the second world war without them. But people have convenient memories of that fact.
If in any doubt about that then look at the history, and you will find that we were on our knees, just as America came in. Think for a second about what would have happened had America not got involved and Hitler would have defeated us. The thought of that one should fill people with dread.
I do not agree with some of the things that are going on in the world now, either by America or us, or by the fanatics out there, who want to obliterate the West and all we stand for. We are about to have a son join the army and no doubt will serve out there, so we have a bit more to think about than most on the current troubles.
But you cannot and never should have to walk on by when terrorists hijack planes and then fly them into buildings, You HAVE to make a stand, and we did.
The terrorists picked on the wrong targets in us and America, and they will never win. In the end there are no winners and no losers as both sides will face both, but that happens in conflicts and always will.
America sent pilots and aircraft to China to fight the Japanese. Yes it is true the pilots were on leave, but it was US policy to send air power to fight Japan. It was the US that annexed Hawaii, a Japanese alley. It was the US black ships that sailed into a Japanese port and without declaring war shelled civilians. None of which made it wise to attack Pearl. Until that point the US was only meddling in Asian affairs. ...but people and nations do not attack powers such as the US with being mad or angered...or feeling that they are already at war.
It is sad that those who only wish to work for a living are cut down by strangers.
Even sadder that those deaths are used to further political power, and to justify killing more innocent people.

13 Sep 2008

Quote by
All innocent people that get killed through war or terrorism should be remembered!!
Nobody has the right in my honest opinion to inflict such barbaric acts upon humans no matter of what religion or political beliefs they may have if they are innocent of inflicting suffering to others. They have no reason to die!!!!!.

How long should we remember ??
When is it terrorism and when is it war ??
Without googling ...can anybody give the dates of the bombing of Dresden where the Americans and British killed tens of thousands of civlians ?
Hiroshima ring any bells ???
Nagasaki ???
The deliberate slaughter of civilians is absolutely reprehensible, no matter who carries out the killing, but for Americans to expect us to feel sorry for them because "they knew people that died on that terrible day" is the most childish of reactions ever !!
Try to come to terms with that atrocities being carried out on a daily basis by American troops all over the world and please please remember that the United States of America were built on the systematic murder of the indigenous population.
And no ... I didn`t know any of them personally ...I suppose that makes it alright !!!
Those two events in history were done for a reason. You really need to study the times then and the reasons. If America and us had never dropped them bombs, Japan would never ever have surrendered. Many millions more would have been killed. I am not justifying thoses acts, just saying as it would have been.
Also you have to remember that Japan came into the war by bombing pearl Harbour. They WERE the aggressor not America.
I really do not think that America want us to " feel sorry for them ". They just want people to remember the innocents of 9/11. We could all go into the whys and wherefores of anything.
Also never forget as we sit here by our computers, watching our plasma tellys that without America coming to OUR aid, in the second world war things would be much different than they are now. People forget that. We would never have won the second world war without them. But people have convenient memories of that fact.
If in any doubt about that then look at the history, and you will find that we were on our knees, just as America came in. Think for a second about what would have happened had America not got involved and Hitler would have defeated us. The thought of that one should fill people with dread.
I do not agree with some of the things that are going on in the world now, either by America or us, or by the fanatics out there, who want to obliterate the West and all we stand for. We are about to have a son join the army and no doubt will serve out there, so we have a bit more to think about than most on the current troubles.
But you cannot and never should have to walk on by when terrorists hijack planes and then fly them into buildings, You HAVE to make a stand, and we did.
The terrorists picked on the wrong targets in us and America, and they will never win. In the end there are no winners and no losers as both sides will face both, but that happens in conflicts and always will.
America sent pilots and aircraft to China to fight the Japanese. Yes it is true the pilots were on leave, but it was US policy to send air power to fight Japan. It was the US that annexed Hawaii, a Japanese alley. It was the US black ships that sailed into a Japanese port and without declaring war shelled civilians. None of which made it wise to attack Pearl. Until that point the US was only meddling in Asian affairs. ...but people and nations do not attack powers such as the US with being mad or angered...or feeling that they are already at war.
It is sad that those who only wish to work for a living are cut down by strangers.
Even sadder that those deaths are used to further political power, and to justify killing more innocent people.

13 Sep 2008

It was Japan that declared war on the US, it was officially declared by the Japanese ambassador hours after Pearl, It would have been sooner but the ambassador was kept waiting.
The US actually blockade Japan, with the Pacific Fleet, while allowing Chain to make use of the Flying Tigers. All before Pearl.
Pearl did not as is reported come out of the blue.

13 Sep 2008

Quote by
It was Japan that declared war on the US, it was officially declared by the Japanese ambassador hours after Pearl, It would have been sooner but the ambassador was kept waiting.
The US actually blockade Japan, with the Pacific Fleet, while allowing Chain to make use of the Flying Tigers. All before Pearl.
Pearl did not as is reported come out of the blue.

Bottom line is we would have been fucked without the USA.

13 Sep 2008

Awful atrocities occur every day throughout the world. What was different about the WTC attacks was the way it was played out live on TV.
We couldn't ignore it. It affected friends & family. Our dear neighbours, at the time, lived a couple of blocks away & were involved. My best friend was on the phone in tears as close friends of hers may have been on board one of the planes. We, in the S/E corner, near the coast were kept awake throughout the night by low flying military aircraft every 15 minutes which "didn't exist" rolleyes

I remember the dead of Sept 11th every year- I still vividly remember the moment the second tower collapsed live on TV. I almost threw up. My first thought was for the emergency services guys who had just gone in.
However, I always bear in mind the reasons it's in the forefront of our minds. It was a tragedy that made good copy.

13 Sep 2008

Quote by winchwench
Awful atrocities occur every day throughout the world. What was different about the WTC attacks was the way it was played out live on TV.
We couldn't ignore it. It affected friends & family. Our dear neighbours, at the time, lived a couple of blocks away & were involved. My best friend was on the phone in tears as close friends of hers may have been on board one of the planes. We, in the S/E corner, near the coast were kept awake throughout the night by low flying military aircraft every 15 minutes which "didn't exist"
I remember the dead of Sept 11th every year- I still vividly remember the moment the second tower collapsed live on TV. I almost threw up. My first thought was for the emergency services guys who had just gone in.
However, I always bear in mind the reasons it's in the forefront of our minds. It was a tragedy that made good copy.

I think you have the bottom line !

13 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
It was Japan that declared war on the US, it was officially declared by the Japanese ambassador hours after Pearl, It would have been sooner but the ambassador was kept waiting.
The US actually blockade Japan, with the Pacific Fleet, while allowing Chain to make use of the Flying Tigers. All before Pearl.
Pearl did not as is reported come out of the blue.

Bottom line is we would have been fucked without the USA.
Didn't they send us a bill for helping, sure it only took 60 years to pay it off.
maybe we should invoice them for iraq wink

13 Sep 2008

I didn't even think about the events of September 11th., actually. At least, not until I saw this thread. Even then, I didn't feel anything particularly. Maybe because I didn't know anyone who was affected by it. dunno

It was just another event/attack carried out by people who did what they did, for their cause. People die every day for another man's cause. September 11th. was no different.
Oh, and I'm not going to apologise for saying that either. Even if anyone calls me names, so don't bother.

13 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
Bottom line is we would have been fucked without the USA.

Actually, if it wasn't for the Russians then we would all be speaking German. If the Russians hadn't thrown 20 million of their own in the war, the Americans wouldn't have given a shit what would happen to the Europeans.

14 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777

And PS: joining WWII was not the same as helping us.
Let's get the timeline right shall we?
WW2 starts 1939 - Any Americans yet? Nope.
1941 Japan gets pissed off at the US for the oil embargo and finally decides enough is enough. This brings the US into WW2
Zoom forward 3 years. 3 years of Brits dying in several theatres of war. Any US helping us yet? No, not in any appreciable quantities (the Canadians are a totaly different matter though!)
1944 arrives, and so finally do the Yanks in Europe.
So basically they came in pretty much as the war was over anyway. The Germans fucked themselves up by spreading themselves too thin and then underestimating the Russians.
Bottom line, the US troops never did save us or win us the war, although I won't deny they did eventually help.
I'm afraid you've been watching too many US-made war films. Yes they helped lop a few months, maybe a year off the total, but they hedged directly helping us for 5 years. They refused to participate full stop for 2 years, and then they only joined in because they got their butts kicked big-time in Pearl Harbour (or should that be Harbor?).
It's amazing how successful the Americans are at revising history and how their revisionistic Hollywood output affects public memory e.g. U571 anyone?
Now it's your opinion that the Yanks are great, fine, you'll be glad to hear that I have no problem with you having your opinion on that. But let's at least get right the facts upon which that opinion is based.
Opinion is one thing, history is quite another. genuinely I can see it happening in 200 years time; how the US did everything in WW2 and we were just there to make up the numbers.

14 Sep 2008

Quote by Freckledbird

At the end of the day, if you talk to any of the "terrorists", I'm sure that most of them will also have a heartbreaking story about lost ones as a result of american-sponsored wars. So, let's not mix politics (or even religion) with personal emotions, that would be plainly dangerous.
phuckers..... I don't agree with what happened after the attacks, but i don't feel that the two should be linked....

How invalid that statement is! It's like asking us not to link the Wall of Berlin to WWII. The history has been written and it should be examined as a whole. If we start compartmentalising history, then it's extremely easy to justify all sorts of barbaric acts.
Overall, emotions are not quantifiable where as finances are. And it's extremely easy to work out who's swiming in cash today as a result of WTC.
Again, spot on.
yep exactly

14 Sep 2008

Quote by Peanut
Opinion is one thing, history is quite another. genuinely I can see it happening in 200 years time; how the US did everything in WW2 and we were just there to make up the numbers.

ive met a few Americans who already think this is the case now!!!!

14 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
Bottom line is we would have been fucked without the USA.

Actually....i was kind of thinking...we would have been fucked if it wasn't for people like my grandad and millions of other granparents...it really use to get on my grandads tits...when he would hear how "If it wasn't for us Americans!" bollocks!

14 Sep 2008

Quote by flower411

Even if anyone calls me names, so don't bother.

Ok fluffy :thumbup:

:smackbottom:
Ooooo you sod! lol

14 Sep 2008

Quote by Mr-Powers
Bottom line is we would have been fucked without the USA.

Actually....i was kind of thinking...we would have been fucked if it wasn't for people like my grandad and millions of other granparents...it really use to get on my grandads tits...when he would hear how "If it wasn't for us Americans!" bollocks!
Powers that goes without saying m8, as did my Grandfathers too. Hence why the Brits, and I mean the real Brits with some backbone, not like all tha nambies out there now, fought and died for us all. What a fucking waste of time most of them would have said now eh?
I tell everyone this I would rather be on the same side with the USA than against it.
How did this thread bocome so fucking far away from the original topic?
Oh yes I remember now. mad

But schhh you know who.

14 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
How did this thread bocome so fucking far away from the original topic?
Oh yes I remember now. But schhh you know who.

A combination of people who continually rub one another up the wrong way. Not one in particular.

14 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
Bottom line is we would have been fucked without the USA.

Actually....i was kind of thinking...we would have been fucked if it wasn't for people like my grandad and millions of other granparents...it really use to get on my grandads tits...when he would hear how "If it wasn't for us Americans!" bollocks!
Powers that goes without saying m8, as did my Grandfathers too. Hence why the Brits, and I mean the real Brits with some backbone, not like all tha nambies out there now, fought and died for us all. What a fucking waste of time most of them would have said now eh?
I tell everyone this I would rather be on the same side with the USA than against it.
How did this thread bocome so fucking far away from the original topic?
Oh yes I remember now. mad

But schhh you know who.
its you kent777,by introducing irrelevant world war topics into it and taking some date issues out of context,and its excatly what you are trying to do now?well you must be a virgin at locked up threads i think!

14 Sep 2008

Quote by Freckledbird
I didn't even think about the events of September 11th., actually. At least, not until I saw this thread. Even then, I didn't feel anything particularly. Maybe because I didn't know anyone who was affected by it.

and that is where you differ from me..... I was directly involved.... I had relatives who managed to make it out, I had some damn fine friends who didn't
remember on july 7th, a lot of people here WERE directly affected..... some people who have spoken in this thread were having fits not knowing what had happen to there loved ones....
I suggest some of you go back and read it
that is why i said that if the this same conversation was being said about that event.... there would have been uproar, and i am betting that it would have been locked....
some people don't like "yanks" .... and you know what.... I am really past caring about it now... that is why i am not here as often as I use to be!
what was orignally set out in this thread was to remember the 2999 innocent victims of that day...... just like people remember the victims of the london bombings, the madrid bombings, the bali bombings, the Tsunami in asia ect ect ect......... good people who did nothing wrong
that has been hijacked by people with other agenda's.... sad but hey, such is life, make a point, make yourselves look good
I just hope that none of you EVER have to go thru what I did on that day, I would not wish that on my worst emeny
I just hope that people are there for you..... and don't mock the memories of those you have lost
if people want come back with a different view, you know where mailbox is

14 Sep 2008

I'm not mocking, Fabio. Just saying that I can't get all emotional about it because I don't know anyone directly affected.

14 Sep 2008

Hmmm, I wonder how many Americans know about let alone memorialise:
21/11/74
19/08/87
21/12/88
13/03/96
Oh? They didn't know anyone involved?
Ah, I see, that makes all the difference doesn't it. rolleyes

14 Sep 2008

Quote by fabio
I didn't even think about the events of September 11th., actually. At least, not until I saw this thread. Even then, I didn't feel anything particularly. Maybe because I didn't know anyone who was affected by it.

and that is where you differ from me..... I was directly involved.... I had relatives who managed to make it out, I had some damn fine friends who didn't
remember on july 7th, a lot of people here WERE directly affected..... some people who have spoken in this thread were having fits not knowing what had happen to there loved ones....
I suggest some of you go back and read it
that is why i said that if the this same conversation was being said about that event.... there would have been uproar, and i am betting that it would have been locked....
some people don't like "yanks" .... and you know what.... I am really past caring about it now... that is why i am not here as often as I use to be!
what was orignally set out in this thread was to remember the 2999 innocent victims of that day...... just like people remember the victims of the london bombings, the madrid bombings, the bali bombings, the Tsunami in asia ect ect ect......... good people who did nothing wrong
that has been hijacked by people with other agenda's.... sad but hey, such is life, make a point, make yourselves look good I just hope that none of you EVER have to go thru what I did on that day, I would not wish that on my worst emeny
I just hope that people are there for you..... and don't mock the memories of those you have lost
if people want come back with a different view, you know where mailbox is
How true that comment is. There was no poxy agenda on my part when starting this thread, but people and you know who you are, deliberatly set out to make it an anti American one.
Well you succeeded, you won. Ok does it now make you feel so much better about yourself then? I really could not give a fucking flying toss about the Americans to be honest and I dont give a toss about the Afgans either. This was about just sparing a thought for those people on that day and the terror they must have faced, the sheer horror.
But as usual peoples own poxy agendas come to the front and they just have to make it a thread about THEM. How sad is that. Small people with small lives I guess. Well I for one now do not care, lock this thread, throw away the keys. I am really past caring when a thread as innocent as this one started out has now once again generated into a farce. Well done.

14 Sep 2008

Quote by Phuckers
Bottom line is we would have been fucked without the USA.

Actually....i was kind of thinking...we would have been fucked if it wasn't for people like my grandad and millions of other granparents...it really use to get on my grandads tits...when he would hear how "If it wasn't for us Americans!" bollocks!
Powers that goes without saying m8, as did my Grandfathers too. Hence why the Brits, and I mean the real Brits with some backbone, not like all tha nambies out there now, fought and died for us all. What a fucking waste of time most of them would have said now eh?
I tell everyone this I would rather be on the same side with the USA than against it.
How did this thread bocome so fucking far away from the original topic?
Oh yes I remember now. mad

But schhh you know who.
its you kent777,by introducing irrelevant world war topics into it and taking some date issues out of context,and its excatly what you are trying to do now?well you must be a virgin at locked up threads i think!
You want to give me some advice then?

14 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
I didn't even think about the events of September 11th., actually. At least, not until I saw this thread. Even then, I didn't feel anything particularly. Maybe because I didn't know anyone who was affected by it.

and that is where you differ from me..... I was directly involved.... I had relatives who managed to make it out, I had some damn fine friends who didn't
remember on july 7th, a lot of people here WERE directly affected..... some people who have spoken in this thread were having fits not knowing what had happen to there loved ones....
I suggest some of you go back and read it
that is why i said that if the this same conversation was being said about that event.... there would have been uproar, and i am betting that it would have been locked....
some people don't like "yanks" .... and you know what.... I am really past caring about it now... that is why i am not here as often as I use to be!
what was orignally set out in this thread was to remember the 2999 innocent victims of that day...... just like people remember the victims of the london bombings, the madrid bombings, the bali bombings, the Tsunami in asia ect ect ect......... good people who did nothing wrong
that has been hijacked by people with other agenda's.... sad but hey, such is life, make a point, make yourselves look good I just hope that none of you EVER have to go thru what I did on that day, I would not wish that on my worst emeny
I just hope that people are there for you..... and don't mock the memories of those you have lost
if people want come back with a different view, you know where mailbox is
How true that comment is. There was no poxy agenda on my part when starting this thread, but people and you know who you are, deliberatly set out to make it an anti American one.
Well you succeeded, you won. Ok does it now make you feel so much better about yourself then? I really could not give a fucking flying toss about the Americans to be honest and I dont give a toss about the Afgans either. This was about just sparing a thought for those people on that day and the terror they must have faced, the sheer horror.
But as usual peoples own poxy agendas come to the front and they just have to make it a thread about THEM. How sad is that. Small people with small lives I guess. Well I for one now do not care, lock this thread, throw away the keys. I am really past caring when a thread as innocent as this one started out has now once again generated into a farce. Well done.
Making the thread about them eh? rolleyes

14 Sep 2008

This thread has been flawed from the start,first by being posted on 12th of september,but as i said before i remember stopping work at 2pm on the first anniversity in 2002 in honour of the victims...
well fabio you mention london bombing,the british government trailed the perpatrators who organised it and justice is in madrid bombing march 11 the spainish people reacted by protesting and voting the government of that day out of office and subsequently pulling all their troops out of Iraq,Bali bombing which many brits were victims too the Indonesia brought them to book
BUT the reason why the rest of the world is pulling away from 911 anniversary is thousands of innocent lives have been lost has a result of it...

14 Sep 2008

I really could not give a fucking flying toss about the Americans to be honest and I dont give a toss about the Afgans either. This was about just sparing a thought for those people on that day and the terror they must have faced, the sheer horror.

Understand the original thought on starting the thread but how many people start threads about other acts of terrorisim that happened in the UK ? and without causing any offence may mean a bit more to people on here.... until 7/7 .... 15/08/1998 was one of the biggest, if not the biggest terrorist attack in the UK, do we remember ? do we heck .... many people without googling it wouldnt even know what the date meant. I totally abore any acts of terrorism but maybe we should take a leaf out of the americans books and remember our own 1st ....

14 Sep 2008

STOP! PLEASE?
I remember the days when people debated topics in here, without becoming nasty and attacking each other.
Some very strong and different points of view were seen, but it never became personal, like it does now.
Call me a silly billy, but I hate it! :rascal:
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

14 Sep 2008

Quote by flower411
I didn't even think about the events of September 11th., actually. At least, not until I saw this thread. Even then, I didn't feel anything particularly. Maybe because I didn't know anyone who was affected by it.

and that is where you differ from me..... I was directly involved.... I had relatives who managed to make it out, I had some damn fine friends who didn't
remember on july 7th, a lot of people here WERE directly affected..... some people who have spoken in this thread were having fits not knowing what had happen to there loved ones....
I suggest some of you go back and read it
that is why i said that if the this same conversation was being said about that event.... there would have been uproar, and i am betting that it would have been locked....
some people don't like "yanks" .... and you know what.... I am really past caring about it now... that is why i am not here as often as I use to be!
what was orignally set out in this thread was to remember the 2999 innocent victims of that day...... just like people remember the victims of the london bombings, the madrid bombings, the bali bombings, the Tsunami in asia ect ect ect......... good people who did nothing wrong
that has been hijacked by people with other agenda's.... sad but hey, such is life, make a point, make yourselves look good I just hope that none of you EVER have to go thru what I did on that day, I would not wish that on my worst emeny
I just hope that people are there for you..... and don't mock the memories of those you have lost
if people want come back with a different view, you know where mailbox is
How true that comment is. There was no poxy agenda on my part when starting this thread, but people and you know who you are, deliberatly set out to make it an anti American one.
Well you succeeded, you won. Ok does it now make you feel so much better about yourself then? I really could not give a fucking flying toss about the Americans to be honest and I dont give a toss about the Afgans either. This was about just sparing a thought for those people on that day and the terror they must have faced, the sheer horror.
But as usual peoples own poxy agendas come to the front and they just have to make it a thread about THEM. How sad is that. Small people with small lives I guess. Well I for one now do not care, lock this thread, throw away the keys. I am really past caring when a thread as innocent as this one started out has now once again generated into a farce. Well done.
You started this thread with an agenda !!!

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Have a look at this clip and lets never forget the people who died and what can happen when people try to inflict their views and ideals on a civilised society.

And a lot of people agreed that we should never forget the people who die when people try to inflict their views and ideals on a civilised society.
Some people might have different views of "civilised" but your agenda , clearly stated, and quoted above was to suggest that it is wrong to inflict your ideals and views on others by slaughtering civilians.
Your agenda appears to have changed during the the course of the thread to saying that it`s ok for these attrocities to be inflicted upon the rest of the world but when it happens on American soil we all have to throw up our hands in despair !!!
Do you know when fund raising for the IRA was banned in America ???
Talk about hypocrisy... The IRA were killing and maiming people in Ireland and on the British mainland and were being openly funded by the Americans. Once they wanted something from Britain the IRA suddenly changed from Freedom fighters to terrorists overnight.
And I have to admit that I didn`t personally know anybody that was killed by the IRA so I suppose in some peoples eyes that makes my whole point irrellevant !!!
That may well be your take on it, but was not my intention.
How far do people want to go back to where civilians are killed? 11th century or what about the 15th century? It happens and will continue to happen.
I remembered the bombings in London recently. I remember the Harrods bombings and all the others that happened. BUT i just happened to remember 9/11 as that was the day when I thought about those people. Just like in July when I thought about those people blown up on that bus and the underground. Just like in November when I remember the heroes who died in the two great wars. Wont be long when people will want rememberance day scrapped too.
The Americans are not to blame for every bloody thing that goes on in the world!! Afganistan ARE training people to bomb and kill us, and thats a fact. Lets hope that nobody here who hates the yanks are anywhere,near when the next islamic bomb goes off eh?
Its a shame we cannot all live together in peace, as the human race has never seen to be able to do, for either one war or another one is going on. With the anti Americanism going on here, its almost as if some are saying America deserved 9/11. Maybe the enemies of the West are closer at hand than some think!