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that big pile of bollox i wrote(most things i write are bollox) about "cant have your cake and eat it",,,well does anyone know the origin of"letting the cat out of the bag"?,,or any other of those old sayings that you here from time to time?? biggrin
I think letting the cat out of the bag refurs to the cat o nine tails for punishing sailors
It refers an ancient scam: You sell a suckling pig at market, and then distract the buyer and surreptitiously substitute it for a cat, thus letting the cat out of the bag means revealing the secret, giving the game away.
As Happy as a Sandboy:
The Sandboy used to live in the pub,a young lad who'd tidy up,collect tankards etc - he'd often sleep on straw in the actual bar.
As he swept up in the sandy sawdusty stuff on the floor he'd find coins,rings,etc dropped by the drinkers - a kind of finders keepers sort of thing - and,as he found these little treasures he was:As Happy as a.. smile
..so I was once told - could all be nonsense of course - but a nice story anyway yeah?
So,,,i take it suckling pigs were sold at market in bags then! and when you got home and opened said bag,the cat was let out,,aaaaaaaarrrhh,i see biggrin
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As Happy as a Sandboy:
The Sandboy used to live in the pub,a young lad who'd tidy up,collect tankards etc - he'd often sleep on straw in the actual bar.
As he swept up in the sandy sawdusty stuff on the floor he'd find coins,rings,etc dropped by the drinkers - a kind of finders keepers sort of thing - and,as he found these little treasures he was:As Happy as a.. smile
..so I was once told - could all be nonsense of course - but a nice story anyway yeah?
sounds good to me,,.Another one,,,Hoist by your own pertard,,anyone?
Money For Old Rope
Merchant seamen , when in port for a while would be keen to spend some time in the pub and with a lady of the docks but were rarely paid until the end of their voyage . So they would steal ropes from ships in the harbour and sell it to the naval suppliers in the town . Much less hard work than being a deck swab , so hence the saying.
Hubby says theres a book you can buy and its got all those saying in it like "pass the buck", "the whole nine yards" etc.
But he cant remember the name of it but it was written by an American lol.
These and many more saying can be found in Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable smile
A great book and one I love to flick through when nothing else more interesting takes my fancy wink
Tracy-Jayne
Pass the buck - a phrase coming from the game of Poker.
A buckhorn knife was placed in front of a player to indicate that he was the next dealer. When he had *dealt* he *passed the buck* to the next player . .
T-J
"saved by the bell" and "the graveyard shift" both come from a time when people tended to be pronounced dead when they actually weren't so bells were put in graveyards with a long rope going into the coffin which people would ring if they suddenly gained consciousness (saved by the bell).... and obviously they had people listening out for these bells ringing (the graveyard shift)
I can't say that I know for certain, but it seems likely that it is derived from the experiment 'Schodringers cat'
The basis behind the experiment is similar to that of the old 'If a tree falls in a forrest and nobody is there to hear it fall, does it make a sound'
Basically, this guy said that you could never collect accurate results on any experiment, because as soon as you have tried to collect these results, you have interferred with this experiment and thus the data would be impure.
The question goes thus: If you lock a cat in an air tight conatiner for 5 days with food and water, will it survive?
Until you open the box, you don't know, but when you do, you are invalidating your results.
So, letting the cat out of the bag (or box) would be letting something previously unknown become known to all
This is merely an educated guess though
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These and many more saying can be found in Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable smile
A great book and one I love to flick through when nothing else more interesting takes my fancy wink
Tracy-Jayne
could you do me a big ,big favour Red Hot and see what it says about "hoist by your own petard" PLEASE,i,ll make it worth your while :wink: biggrin
To be hoist by your own petard means literally to be lifted off your feet by your own hand grenade. That's what a petard is, a little bomb, so the expression means to make trouble for yourself by your own carelessness.
Who said that u never learn anything from this site?
"Hoisted by his own Petard" was a fave saying of a dear friend of mine who passed away a couple of years ago - I bet he's having a laugh looking down on me posting on here now - Thanks for reminding me of some good memories horny and dino.
I never knew about the petard being a bomb Ice!I thought it was a sort of male leotard for ballet dancers - so I was SLIGHTLY wrong about that there! rolleyes
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Hubby says theres a book you can buy and its got all those saying in it like "pass the buck", "the whole nine yards" etc.
But he cant remember the name of it but it was written by an American lol.

Speaking of which, "The whole nine yards" was a phrase used by US bomber gunners during WW2 and refers to the ammunition belts used in the defensive guns mounted in the planes which just happened to be nine yards in length. So when a gunner had fired off a whole belt of ammo, he was deemed to have 'given it the whole nine yards.'
a patard is a bomb!!! never heared of it,,,which period in history is it from?? it sounds french to me ,is it ??...........My thirst for useless knowlege is un-quenchable biggrin