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I have three children who i love dearly but i do call them the 'unholy trinity' they are the Leader the Follower and the Bloody Martyr. Now my daughter is definately the Martyr using doing everything as though it was a favour to the human race. Including sweeping all floors before her with her bottom lip!
Most of the time we get on muddling along as a great many do. However, i'm a little confused as too what to do. My girl is receiving some bullying at school. Previously when at junior school she never held back and told me what was going on and then i managed to sort it with the help of the school.
The dynamics have changed though now she is at secondary School and she reluctantly told me this was happening after i was first told by a friend of hers. She was horrified at the fact that we were going to the School with this but i convinced her this was the best course of action.
Well, apparently not. After doing so this bullying has got worse and the School seems to take very swift action over talking me down but not in sorting the miserable little f******s (Ok they might have problems themselves but personally it's my kid thats suffering. Hang'em!!)
Do i go to the parents of the kids do i go to the School again or say "bugger this" and call in the Plod?
Would like some input from others. Experiences maybe from a teacher or two just to give me something to mull about before my daughter and I fall out.
My daughter i will add is not quiet. As anyone who knows me can testify that gentically the chances of her being quiet are stacked against her. She is rather cool though, I dont want her to hide the light that shines.
My 16 year old suffered from bullying for years and in different schools. Despite the school's 'Zero Tolerance' stance, no amount of talking to the teachers/head master did much good ( though there were one or two that did keep and eye on him )
The reason he was being bullied was concerning his sexuality and since he took a very brave decision to 'come out' to everyone, it gradually stopped when he'd taken away the bullies only form of attack. He fought back with words ( thankfully he's grown into a very quick witted and intelligent boy ) and it turned him into a confident and popular teenager.
I'm not sure how this could help you so I think the wise words of our very own FB are called for here biggrin
Been there Lost - as a parent. When it was my daughter, I made a real nuisance of myself. The school got fed up of me. I put it all in writing and kept copies of the letters I sent. They listened and took action when I threatened to take her out of the school. Two reasons: a)there would have to be a transfer form completed and the LEA would question why nothing had been done, and b) my daughter is clever and they'd be losing a pupil who would make a difference to their league tables.
The child who bullied her was excluded for a while and then was put in a different class; the bullying stopped.
helloooooooooo losty passionkiss not sure if this will help hun but i'll give it a bash for you. my boy ( who is 9 ) has been getting bullied for a while by a few brats up here, this has been going on in school as well as after. it took him getting physically beaten before he told me, so being the enraged mother i went to the school on numerous occasions as they have a so called "zero-tolerance policy" which in actual fact means a quick 5 min lecture on bullying in assembly and telling the bullies they were naughty and not to do it again banghead . i was told that anything that occurs out of school cant be dealt with by the school ( i caught 3 boys beating him up inside a bus shelter directly opposte the school gates while an adult looked on laughing evil ). i went to the parents and they DID have words with the kids, and it abaited for a while but then it started again, so i told my local council (weird move i know but we are trying to move), and they have now put extra bobbys out at kicking out time and this seems to have worked for now
i was bullied for years as a kid so i know what its like to want to keep quiet and hope it'll stop. the problem with that is i ended up fighting back and getting suspended for self defence :shock: . sometimes the fear with telling someone is that the bully will use it as another excuse to kick off.
anyway i gonna stop yapping now :gagged:
hope this helps ya hun :thumbup:
We are having big problems with our son at the moment....
He is being bullied and its getting right on my tits...
We've done the nicey nicey approach with the school (who also have a zero tolerance attitude.....For all the use it is rolleyes )and it hasnt worked....
We have dealt with the year head......The deputy head.....Next step is the head teacher...
I have taken him out of school for a cpl of days as well and if the head teacher route doesnt work then the only options left are move schools (but I doubt that will stop him being bullied) or go see the bullies parents...
Which itself will probably cause problems.....
I have told our boy to start standing up for himself which he has done on a cpl of occasions but he gets into trouble at school for doing so(although he doesnt get into strife with me for defending himself)..
I really dont have any answers Lost but believe me your not alone..
Been there also, as a parent. My daughter went through hell for over a year because of two children. I was back and forth to the school and in the end it was dealt with by "learning mentors" :shock: I had no final input, received no help from the school as to how to support her throughout the ordeal, the LM's did it all for them.. the bullies received 'help and advice' also :shock:
I had to take a back step and be an observer which crippled me. sad
In my experiance at school i also managed to end any bullying i was going through by simply taking a course of action that i kow most of you wont agree with. If i was called names i fought back with more offensive names which usually worked because the bully realised that they hadnt a hope of winning, words can be powerful even if it does bring u to thier level for a while. As for physical bullying i always found that the bullies responded well to getting a punch in the face for thier troubles. This worked for me.
Like a scarily large number of us, have also had similar problems with my son. Things improved after the deputy head spoke to the other kids in the class and the extent of the bullying was finally realised and the offenders were excluded.
Anyway, thoughts for you and your daughter:
- she needs to keep an incident diary and log any instance of bullying, physical or verbal
- follow up all of your verbal contact with the school by letter or email and keep copies of these and their replies
- i would write to the LEA, and copy in the Head, Deputy Head and the Chair of the school governors with a copy of this log, any correspondence and stating that the schools failure to deal with this situation is stopping your child accessing the curriculum
- as far as i'm aware, any physical violence counts as ABH and can be reported to the police.
hope this helps
Quote by Drewxcore
In my experiance at school i also managed to end any bullying i was going through by simply taking a course of action that i kow most of you wont agree with. If i was called names i fought back with more offensive names which usually worked because the bully realised that they hadnt a hope of winning, words can be powerful even if it does bring u to thier level for a while. As for physical bullying i always found that the bullies responded well to getting a punch in the face for thier troubles. This worked for me.

Im afraid physical violence doesnt usally work in the area that I live because you could end up being shot or stabbed for it :shock: and yes that does sometimes apply to primary school too sad there was an incident recently at a local primary school where an 8 year old pupil stabbed another with a pair of scissors.
Louise xx
Quote by louise_and_joe
Im afraid physical violence doesnt usally work in the area that I live because you could end up being shot or stabbed for it

You sure you dont live round here :shock:
Quote by Mallock2006

Im afraid physical violence doesnt usally work in the area that I live because you could end up being shot or stabbed for it

You sure you dont live round here :shock:
If only wink
Louise xx
Quote by louise_and_joe

Im afraid physical violence doesnt usally work in the area that I live because you could end up being shot or stabbed for it

You sure you dont live round here :shock:
If only wink
Louise xx
:rascal:
Think you guys have given me some good stuff in your posts and im going to take the advice gladly. If only i could show these posts to mt daughter but :shock: errrrr noooo lol
Drew i empathise with your post and i did indeed get to 14 yrs old myself suffering horrific bullying until like you i fought back very violently and nastily. The bullying stopped granted. But then started the worst 5/6 years of my life culminating in me having to remove myself from my home town just to get out of the absolute crap i ended up in.
we suffered bullying with our middle child... went to school and spoke to the head .no joy.......it didnt make much difference and my son was soon to leave the school..not spoke to the governors. who helped NOT............... asked for the anti bullyin policy ( had to pay for copy ) went back for another meetin and quoted half of the policy...the offenders parent were eventually fetched into school and all concerned spoken too..... relived the situation in the short term..... but soon started again....thank fully we left the school............ my boy went to the new high school with one of the lads... i do not condone bullying... but i could not bollock my son when i got called into school cause he got the little **** on the bus on the way home(only once). i know this wont remidy your situation but wat goes around comes around and i hope your daughter will have a happy ending to this bullying she will come out of this a stonger person
xx
I have something very shameful to admit.
I was a bully when I was younger. Wierd thing is I didn't realise what I was doing was bullying until I looked back on it many years later.
The girl that I was bullying turned to me one day and quite simply slapped me. All my bravado went out the window and I never teased her again. Even more wierd we ended up becoming friends.
I am in no way saying you should encourage your child to slap someone I just wanted to say that bullys are mostly cowards.
That is the first time I have ever actually told anyone I was a bully. I am highly ashamed of it and just as glad that someone stopped me.
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I have something very shameful to admit.
I was a bully when I was younger.

I was a bully too redface
Now I despise myself for it..... sad
Quote by Mallock2006
I have something very shameful to admit.
I was a bully when I was younger.

I was a bully too redface
Now I despise myself for it..... sad
but at least you're both big enough to admit it now......we all make mistakes when we're young.....but the fact that you'll admit it and that you've both obviously learnt from that says a lot about you kiss
Screw this.
What happened when you spoke to the school about the bullying?
Did you ask to speak to the Headmaster/mistress?
It really is the school's responsibility to sort out bullys so if they give you anymore lines, just threaten to go to the local paper or something.
Quote by Tommy69xxx
Screw this.
What happened when you spoke to the school about the bullying?
Did you ask to speak to the Headmaster/mistress?
It really is the school's responsibility to sort out bullys so if they give you anymore lines, just threaten to go to the local paper or something.

It's actually NOT the school's sole responsibilty to sort out bullies. The bullies also have parents. Going to the newspapers is hardly going to make a difference when we see reports of rapes, murders and other atrocities on a daily basis.
Quote by Freckledbird
Screw this.
What happened when you spoke to the school about the bullying?
Did you ask to speak to the Headmaster/mistress?
It really is the school's responsibility to sort out bullys so if they give you anymore lines, just threaten to go to the local paper or something.

It's actually NOT the school's sole responsibilty to sort out bullies. The bullies also have parents. Going to the newspapers is hardly going to make a difference when we see reports of rapes, murders and other atrocities on a daily basis.
parents read papers, if they se letters in there complaining about a school not dealing with bullying then they'll think twice about sending thier kids there. Thats what he was getting at i believe
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parents read papers, if they se letters in there complaining about a school not dealing with bullying then they'll think twice about sending thier kids there. Thats what he was getting at i believe

Same net result as complaining to the LEA - the correct channel. Except that the LEA can do something about it. Not all parents read local papers.
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parents read papers, if they se letters in there complaining about a school not dealing with bullying then they'll think twice about sending thier kids there. Thats what he was getting at i believe

Same net result as complaining to the LEA - the correct channel. Except that the LEA can do something about it. Not all parents read local papers.
Yes but those that do will be put off by what the paper says!
You'd think that - however in reality most parents just send their child to the catchment school, regardless of what they read in the papers. If you read enough, you'd find fault with most schools.
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You'd think that - however in reality most parents just send their child to the catchment school, regardless of what they read in the papers. If you read enough, you'd find fault with most schools.

A school in my area had problems with bullying, it was in the papers, as a result the parents sent thier children to other schools and that one had to make BIG changes (and it did) So it DOES happen, complaining to the papers CAN work.
Not everyone gets to send their child to their first choice of school..
Unfortunately these "problem" children who are doing the bullying seem to always get away with a lot more because they have problems.
As if its an excuse, granted some kids really dont know how to act in a civilised society because they havent been shown how to by their parents.
Ive had a couple of incidents at my childrens school, where the child stealing something from my daughter/child biting my child on the face has just been let off because they have problems. Now this is no way to show children that their actions have consequences.
Im sorry if im rambling a bit but bullying in schools is a topic that really gets my blood boiling.
All i can say is, definately dont let it drop. If the school isnt helping you enough, then go above the school. Go to the police if is actual physical/threatening harm. Just dont let them bully the life out of your daughter because it may stay with her for years to come.
Louise xx
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All i can say is, definately dont let it drop. If the school isnt helping you enough, then go above the school. Go to the police if is actual physical/threatening harm. Just dont let them bully the life out of your daughter because it may stay with her for years to come.
Louise xx

Agreed 100%.
Quote by poshkate
I have something very shameful to admit.
I was a bully when I was younger.

I was a bully too redface
Now I despise myself for it..... sad
but at least you're both big enough to admit it now......we all make mistakes when we're young.....but the fact that you'll admit it and that you've both obviously learnt from that says a lot about you kiss
Fair play you guys big to admit and thats gotta be good for the next generation e real plus :thumbup:
Quote by louise_and_joe
All i can say is, definately dont let it drop. If the school isnt helping you enough, then go above the school. Go to the police if is actual physical/threatening harm. Just dont let them bully the life out of your daughter because it may stay with her for years to come.
Louise xx

I so aint going to let this drop. Bullying can have a life long effect and that will not happen to my daughter or sons even if i have to move areas, Shouldn't come to that though. I am nothing if not tenacious when roused!
Hi Lost wave
please take note of the time of posting rolleyes
I have only read your initial post and not the responses, but i would say in reply, that sometimes " The light that shines, will attract moths "
Far be it from me to judge, but when i was at school (in the days of the horse and cart) if there was a pupil in class that distracted us, we would deal with them in our own inimitable way dunno i know its not much help but hey, thats how it was.
kiss
Pete