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Quote by splendid_
There is always a point to wanting something better..
Appreciating what you have is also a valid point.
But when it comes to politics and debate about political issues and wanting to 'make a difference'. Is a more useful tack to be involved in the interwebnet forums that debate these issues, sending letters to your MP or other influential people. Setting up your own forums or public routes of expression and change etc etc
Or whining on a swingers site ?

:thumbup:
Quote by splendid_
There is always a point to wanting something better..
Appreciating what you have is also a valid point.
But when it comes to politics and debate about political issues and wanting to 'make a difference'. Is a more useful tack to be involved in the interwebnet forums that debate these issues, sending letters to your MP or other influential people. Setting up your own forums or public routes of expression and change etc etc
Or whining on a swingers site ?

It's probably both Splendid, I think it's a good thing to 'vent your spleen' so to speak in here now and then but I think your advice to take matters further is also good.
At the end of the day though, this forum will always have mega debateable topics wink
Quote by jaymar

i also like knowing that if I fall ill I will be treated by the NHS for free! and not like say the USA where treatment depends on your welth
so while yoou are complaining about taxes and tax credits ect ask youorself do you realy want the alternitive! !!

Give it time, it won't be long. Mark my words our country will end up paying for medical treatment just like the USA.
Will... good post. Referring to your reply to Freckledbird, I can't comment on whether you're dyslexic or not as I don't know you.. but I wouldn't have thought being Bipolar would have affected your posting... is it not just the time of morning? I quite often type all skew wiff at this time of the morning esp after a few Bacardi's! rotflmao
not a problem but they go together!
fi you are dyslectic you will have migranes
if you are bi polar you will have ! or more of the above!!
and a higher than avarage IQ!!!! which makes it so much worse!!! and many have other disorders like ortisium thank god I aint got that or asburgers!!another common bi polar side order!!!! ho hum not to worry
we all have our crosses! mine are in my head!!!!! and mine alone where are yours and who has to carry them for you!!!!!1
and that is for my critics!!!!!!
listen to my words not my spelling!!!!!!!!!!
anyone got a sig for me??
willwill69 wrote
" fi you are dyslectic you will have migranes
if you are bi polar you will have ! or more of the above!!
and a higher than avarage IQ"
never seen any evidence to support these claims,but prepaired to stand corrected if you can quote your of people get migraines, lots of people have higher than average iq, dont think dislexic peeps are over represented in these categories.
also just looked at your profile and advert, both seem to be very well written.
Quote by Willwill69u
listen to my words not my spelling!!!!!!!!!!
anyone got a sig for me??

You could always use that as your signature mate :thumbup:
Quote by jaymar
There is always a point to wanting something better..
Appreciating what you have is also a valid point.
But when it comes to politics and debate about political issues and wanting to 'make a difference'. Is a more useful tack to be involved in the interwebnet forums that debate these issues, sending letters to your MP or other influential people. Setting up your own forums or public routes of expression and change etc etc
Or whining on a swingers site ?

It's probably both Splendid, I think it's a good thing to 'vent your spleen' so to speak in here now and then but I think your advice to take matters further is also good.
At the end of the day though, this forum will always have mega debateable topics wink
Yeah totally agree Jaymar. Being that its a sex site it has a great cross-section of the public who use it. I guess this is because sex, whether man, woman rich, poor, big, small, black or white.... is universal crossing all boundaries.
I vote at every opportunity and mail MP's whenever i feel i should and do a lot of e-petitions etc (which tbh gets a little out of hand) Coming in here is great because at least you can say fu*k to something without people getting to upset at the word f*ck lol and you see great cross sections of replies rather than just polarised views that you can get on specific debating forums. I love whinging in here biggrin
thanks lost!
annjo look at the standard tests for bi polar disoder and argue with them!
as for mt profile and add its amazing wot you can do with ms office spellcheck and the cut and past facilities!!
here I am not selling myself but talking to peeps who I belive may have a modicome of inteligence and as such I do not feel the need to use such methods to get my point accross!!!
maybe in your case I shud change my approach!
but then I doubt if that would make any diference you will always find a reason not to listen to something you dont want to hear!!!
and when someone says I told you so I bet your automatic answer is "I dont want to hear that"
this ringing any bells????
Quote by annejohn

" fi you are dyslectic you will have migranes
if you are bi polar you will have ! or more of the above!!
and a higher than avarage IQ"

never seen any evidence to support these claims,but prepaired to stand corrected if you can quote your of people get migraines, lots of people have higher than average iq, dont think dislexic peeps are over represented in these categories.
also just looked at your profile and advert, both seem to be very well written.
My thoughts exactly, apart from some mistakes which indicate that spellcheck wasn't used.
Quote by Willwill69u
thanks lost!
annjo look at the standard tests for bi polar disoder and argue with them!
as for mt profile and add its amazing wot you can do with ms office spellcheck and the cut and past facilities!!
here I am not selling myself but talking to peeps who I belive may have a modicome of inteligence and as such I do not feel the need to use such methods to get my point accross!!!
maybe in your case I shud change my approach!
but then I doubt if that would make any diference you will always find a reason not to listen to something you dont want to hear!!!
and when someone says I told you so I bet your automatic answer is "I dont want to hear that"
this ringing any bells????

The bold bit? If it's so amazing, use it on your forum posts too.
What is ringing bells is someone else claiming to be dyslexic.
Quote by splendid_
There is always a point to wanting something better..
Appreciating what you have is also a valid point.
But when it comes to politics and debate about political issues and wanting to 'make a difference'. Is a more useful tack to be involved in the interwebnet forums that debate these issues, sending letters to your MP or other influential people. Setting up your own forums or public routes of expression and change etc etc
Or whining on a swingers site ?

:thumbup: and some people seem to only post on topics of a political nature. Sounds like a party political broadcast.
sos uncalled for rant as for the bold pprint didnt do that on purpose must have been sometype of froydien slip
sos eveyone some things just wind me up and I shud show more self control
sorry
Quote by Willwill69u
sos uncalled for rant as for the bold pprint didnt do that on purpose must have been sometype of froydien slip
sos eveyone some things just wind me up and I shud show more self control
sorry

I made it bold to highlight it.
you may have a point but then my posts would not be a true reflection of my reaction to other posts but more a stating of a position!
I dont know about you but I learn and develope my views thro free and frank debate not by measured responces that are thought out edited and profe read and spellchecked ect
but if you want sanitised forums im sure we can reduce all debate to careful stating of given positions
in which case lets not bother and lets close the shop and all go home as there is no point!
Quote by Willwill69u
you may have a point but then my posts would not be a true reflection of my reaction to other posts but more a stating of a position!
I dont know about you but I learn and develope my views thro free and frank debate not by measured responces that are thought out edited and profe read and spellchecked ect
but if you want sanitised forums im sure we can reduce all debate to careful stating of given positions
in which case lets not bother and lets close the shop and all go home as there is no point!

I develop my views in a variety of ways - the ability to use spellcheck will not detract from your views. Sanitised is not the same as having things spelled correctly.
Quote by Willwill69u
sos eveyone some things just wind me up and I shud show more self control
sorry

Its great to be passionate about something that effects us all in society, debate and different viewpoints are interesting! Keep on posting what ya think.... just dont take the replys you may get to heart smile :)
Quote by Willwill69u

i also like knowing that if I fall ill I will be treated by the NHS for free! and not like say the USA where treatment depends on your welth
so while yoou are complaining about taxes and tax credits ect ask youorself do you realy want the alternitive! !!

Give it time, it won't be long. Mark my words our country will end up paying for medical treatment just like the USA.
Will... good post. Referring to your reply to Freckledbird, I can't comment on whether you're dyslexic or not as I don't know you.. but I wouldn't have thought being Bipolar would have affected your posting... is it not just the time of morning? I quite often type all skew wiff at this time of the morning esp after a few Bacardi's! rotflmao
not a problem but they go together!
fi you are dyslectic you will have migranes
if you are bi polar you will have ! or more of the above!!
and a higher than avarage IQ!!!! which makes it so much worse!!! and many have other disorders like ortisium thank god I aint got that or asburgers!!another common bi polar side order!!!! ho hum not to worry
we all have our crosses! mine are in my head!!!!! and mine alone where are yours and who has to carry them for you!!!!!1
and that is for my critics!!!!!!
listen to my words not my spelling!!!!!!!!!!
anyone got a sig for me??
I wasn't criticising your spelling Wil, I am curious about Bipolar tho, always have been. Recently I've done an essay on mental health and I was really interested in Bipolar. I hadn't realised either that Bipolar was linked to autism or aspergers so there's something new to me.
we live in a highly regulated country with over 85% of the worlds cctv camaras and some of the highest taxes in the world!booo hooo!!!
Well maybe not! we all have our gripes about the system and we can all see inequalities and couruption!
but would you want to live anywhere else!
not me I like our green and pleasent land!
I like to be able to rant about our greedy courupt police and polititions!I love knowing that my outspoken views can lead to debate reater than a knock on the door or a bullit in the head or woorse!!
i also like knowing that if I fall ill I will be treated by the NHS for free! and not like say the USA where treatment depends on your welth
so while yoou are complaining about taxes and tax credits ect ask youorself do you realy want the alternitive! as say the USA or maybe somewhere worse lik africia or south america or asia!
look at wot we got and compair it to the rest of the world!
dont downgrade our superb system to that of lesser countries to reduce the flow of economic migrants upgrade their countries!!so they dont feel the need to run from oppression economic oe otherwise!!

I just see poorly educated people who can't spell enough to complain properly.
if this is a sly dig I appologgise for being dysletic a( I do have migranes and I am bi polar) sorry!! but i have to hold to my point!! my spelling does not deminish my view!! it just shows your lack of insight that you dismiss all I say for afew spelling mistakes!
wish i could be as perfect as you!!!!!
Will I read and understood your post I have dyslexia in my family and know it takes confidence within your self to talk up and be heard. It does annoy me when people attack a personal trait and not respond to the points in question.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying here. I have a friend out in Afghanistan fighting for this country he is always happy to return. He appreciates what this country has to offer, there are things that could be a lot better but I feel if everyone saw how others live they might appreciate a little more what this country has to offer.
Immigration needs to be stopped we can not fit the world into this small island we have enough people here already. I would hate to see our green, green land become a complete concrete land
Quote by Willwill69u
thanks lost!
annjo look at the standard tests for bi polar disoder and argue with them!
as for mt profile and add its amazing wot you can do with ms office spellcheck and the cut and past facilities!!
here I am not selling myself but talking to peeps who I belive may have a modicome of inteligence and as such I do not feel the need to use such methods to get my point accross!!!
maybe in your case I shud change my approach!
but then I doubt if that would make any diference you will always find a reason not to listen to something you dont want to hear!!!
and when someone says I told you so I bet your automatic answer is "I dont want to hear that"
this ringing any bells????

and your intelligence just radiates from this offensive post
Quote by Steve
Quote somebody
Lets be honest here and say that until the benefit system is over hauled, people will always want to come here for free everything. Free housing, free health care, benefits galore, christ we even paying millions to eastern European workers kids ffs. The benefit system is open to every scrounger there is, and the lazy work shy.
Allow me to retort.
My word rarely have i read such ill informed toot.
If u would like to dfine these "daily mail phrases" Ill happily explain why they exhibit:
A ignorance
B Stupidity
C A lack of education
D A lack of wisdom
E Prejudice
A bit inflammatory this post but Im tired of the loud and stupid takling over the reasonable forum threadss with their half baked views. Give it a erst save it for the golf club eh?

And who's to say your comments aren't considered loud and stupid dunno
Good comment . :gagged:
An important factor is that wages are now so close to benefits that there is very little financial incentive for unskilled British workers to find a job. By contrast, Poles have very strong financial motivation. On the minimum wage in Britain they are earning 4-5 times what they would earn at home and, by living in multi-occupancy, they can afford to send considerable sums of money back to their families - according to the National Bank of Poland, Polish migrants in the UK are sending home about £9 million a day

A family with two children and one working member receives of Working Tax Credit, intended to cushion the impact of means testing of benefits and be an incentive to work. However Working Tax Credit itself is means tested and is also treated as income for means testing Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit. Overall this worker keeps only of the

Let's not forget the people who are disabled, or incapacitated. A more rigid system would not hinder the genuine scrounger, who is well-versed in benefit claiming but would lead to many who ARE genuinely disabled being persecuted. No doubt there are many claiming who are not disabled, but then...the liars will always be better-off than those telling the truth.
As for benefits being easy to get....absolute crap. the form for "jobseekers allowance" ( )(per week) is 9 pages long. It is done online by many, and the site is total garbage. Housing benefit is means tested, anyone working in the house and earning more than a week means that's out-the-window. Same for council tax benefit.
edit: Just been through the spreadsheet on spending. It sems that there are more savings to be made by limiting old age pensions, which are 3 times larger than disability, child or unemployment benefits together. I guess that won't make it through any spending limitation taskforce then ?
In any case, with the c-tax just dropping through the letterbox (£1573) I'm thinking about joining those with sense.....sod work....daytime dogging.....sunshine not tears..... and now that F-Brain in 11 D street tells me I must pay another 40 quid a year to save the planet ?
Must up the veggie oil in the car to 20 percent...another 5p per litre saving.
In the knowledge that I'm contradicting myself. I think some people might be appreciated more for commenting on the topic and contributions to it, rather than the inability for some to be able to spell correctly or indeed use spell check correctly. I for one only have what i have unlearned to draw upon having been taught in the 70's to spell and write funetikaly. Having my first lesson in grammar at the age of 32! imagine, for once! The words being spoken not 'just' written then maybe the pedagogs amongst us may indeed appreciate the thoughts of some people less grammatically perfect.
I'll take what's coming. rolleyes
I see more of the vultures are arriving rolleyes
Quote by Steve
I see more of the vultures are arriving rolleyes

<<<<< On vulture watch!! wink
The pet population in the UK is several times that of the human unemployed. So if we can afford to keep that number of pets, a few human scroungers is still affordable.
Quote by Sgt Bilko
I see more of the vultures are arriving rolleyes

<<<<< On vulture watch!! wink
Twitching ? lol
Quote by duncanlondon
The pet population in the UK is several times that of the human unemployed. So if we can afford to keep that number of pets, a few human scroungers is still affordable.

I have no idea where you get these ideas from dunno
Quote by Sgt Bilko
I see more of the vultures are arriving rolleyes

<<<<< On vulture watch!! wink
Looks like you'll be busy...
Quote by Lost
I see more of the vultures are arriving rolleyes

<<<<< On vulture watch!! wink
Twitching ? lol
So you should be!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:
Thank you all for the lively debate.
I am much amused that none of the folk who wound me up in first palce joined in.
Caps removed
Oh and the use of caps apologers.
Had i the heavens embroidered cloths
Enwrought with golden and silver light
The blue and the dim and the dark cloths
Of night light and the half light
I would spread the cloths under your feet
I being poor have only my dreams
tread softly because you tread on my dreams
when did this become political heaven......... rolleyes