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Secrets, lies and privacy.. ?
Contact from others, who choose not to tell their OH about their quest for playmates, is inevitable on any site – whether sex or normal dating. There are always a million and one reasons not to be monogamous and I rarely judge a person for this choice, it is their conscience to live with.
The problem with those in this situation is being available when I am... I work the good ole 9am to 5pm and any person would have to be pretty damn special for me to sacrifice a day of annual leave! So unless evenings and weekends are possible, then it is not going to work.
Having been contacted by such a person, I said thanks but no thanks and explained the above. To which he replied - well you have secrets too… and technically he is right, I do.
There are very few who know about my playful side. Am I lying to the others or just being private? Am I hurting them by not telling them? Do I have to? Should I have to?
I guess my questions to the floor are when is it a secret? When is it just privacy? When is it lying? And the hardest of all - what do you use as your guide to decide when is it wrong?
p.s. Please note I am not “having a go” at attached people who’s OH are not told – I am asking about how others deal with this side of their life from a personal/morality viewpoint
p.p.s I know that this a bit philosophical.. sorry redface
Quote by Fiestybbw
There are very few who know about my playful side. Am I lying to the others or just being private? Am I hurting them by not telling them? Do I have to? Should I have to?
I guess my questions to the floor are when is it a secret? When is it just privacy? When is it lying? And the hardest of all - what do you use as your guide to decide when is it wrong?

No, you're not lying - you're being private. You don't have to tell anyone if you don't want to.
I suppose it's wrong when you decide it's wrong. That's a very personal perception.
There are very few who know about my playful side. Am I lying to the others or just being private? Am I hurting them by not telling them? Do I have to? Should I have to?
I guess my questions to the floor are when is it a secret? When is it just privacy? When is it lying? And the hardest of all - what do you use as your guide to decide when is it wrong?

I would say;
If it's about you it's privacy. If it's about others it's secret and if you know it ain't true it's lying! As for 'when is it wrong?' Only your gut feeling can tell you that. But as I guide , if you have to ask yourself 'Is this wrong?' It may well be. Hope that helps some wink
Snowhawk
I think everyone has a right to keep their lives, to some extent, private. The problem arises when the need to lie occurs in order to maintain that privacy. It is almost inevitable that it will.
IMHO, a lie to protect one's privacy, which harms no-one, is a necessary evil.
Am I talking bollox yet? dunno
Your playful side - swinging? Do you have to tell people you swing? Would you normally tell people when you have sex and with whom? If not, then does it matter in what context you have sex and if they are swingers? confused
Privacy is when there are aspects of your life that you feel you don't want others to know about and it has no relevance to them whether they know or not!
Lying would be if someone said "are you a swinger?" and you said "no", you could always avoid lying by saying "its non of your business" which quite frankly it isnt!
As for the hurting people bit, who are you hurting? surely not your friends and family etc, as really it is entirely up to you to tell them.
We don't let anybody know what we do in our "private time" as really it is non of there business as much as its not mine if Miss SRNE's dad goes fishing two nights a week, he doesn't need to tell us!
As for the secrecy bit, a secret is fundamentally just something very personal and/or private between one or a group of people who donot wish "it" to be common knowledge.
Hope this helps or at least gives another viewpoint?
Quote by Freckledbird

There are very few who know about my playful side. Am I lying to the others or just being private? Am I hurting them by not telling them? Do I have to? Should I have to?
I guess my questions to the floor are when is it a secret? When is it just privacy? When is it lying? And the hardest of all - what do you use as your guide to decide when is it wrong?

No, you're not lying - you're being private. You don't have to tell anyone if you don't want to.
I suppose it's wrong when you decide it's wrong. That's a very personal are many things I do not tell others. It is very easy to be open with everyone, but when one wants to hide something what doe's one do.? Lie or refuse to answer. At school I was asked "Which football team do you support?" At first I said "None". After much badgering my answer changed to Manchester United. Yes I lied, but not anymore. Did it do any harm? No, but it was still wrong.
Quote by Srne
Privacy is when there are aspects of your life that you feel you don't want others to know about and it has no relevance to them whether they know or not!
Lying would be if someone said "are you a swinger?" and you said "no", you could always avoid lying by saying "its non of your business" which quite frankly it isnt!
As for the hurting people bit, who are you hurting? surely not your friends and family etc, as really it is entirely up to you to tell them.
We don't let anybody know what we do in our "private time" as really it is non of there business as much as its not mine if Miss SRNE's dad goes fishing two nights a week, he doesn't need to tell us!
As for the secrecy bit, a secret is fundamentally just something very personal and/or private between one or a group of people who donot wish "it" to be common knowledge.
Hope this helps or at least gives another viewpoint?
:thumbup:
I've said this before but...
I think on a site like this that lying is envitable. People will lie to get what they want. It is envitable because of the way the site is set up. There is no person contact intially so it is easy to lie about who you are, what you are as the facts cannot be checked. It is easier to lie because it doesn't feel like you are dealing with real people. The internet is a wonderful buffer to reality. People will write things here that they would never say in public.
The site is set up based on a series of lies or at least on misleading information. We operate with code names and odd photos to protect our identities. It's true, in reality I am not a small child in a blue hat with a duck as a friend.
I think you just have to accept that people lie here and get on with it.
Quote by keeno
It's true, in reality I am not a small child in a blue hat with a duck as a friend.

Bugger! That's my illusions shattered! :shock: You'll be telling me next that Meatball doesn't REALLY look like Father Jack!
Personally, I think my sexuality and sex life is no one's business but mine. I have a couple of very close and trusted friends who know but that was my choice to tell them. That's privacy.
People DO lie, on here and in real life. Sometimes it's done to protect someone close from getting hurt, sometimes it's done to get your own way. It happens but everyone's got their own reasons for doing it.
Quote by keeno
I think you just have to accept that people lie here and get on with it.

Aside from avatars (which may not be pictures of the user), I don't think it's fair to say that people lie here generally. I think it's true to say that some lie (for whatever reason), but not everyone.
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Quote by keeno
I've said this before but...
I think on a site like this that lying is envitable. People will lie to get what they want. It is envitable because of the way the site is set up.

You mean inevitable?
Quote by Freckledbird

I think you just have to accept that people lie here and get on with it.

Aside from avatars (which may not be pictures of the user), I don't think it's fair to say that people lie here generally. I think it's true to say that some lie (for whatever reason), but not everyone.
And
Quote by keeno
I've said this before but...
I think on a site like this that lying is envitable. People will lie to get what they want. It is envitable because of the way the site is set up.

You mean inevitable?
Sorry about the spelling. Never my strong point which is a pain for a grammer pedant redface
You're right of course not everyone lies here but I feel that the way the site is set up leads to untruths being used.
I feel it is safer to assume something isn't the truth until you are happy that it is right. Communication is more to do with body language and tone than the words. So just writing stuff can be misleading and makes it easier to lie.
Perhaps by nature of what the site is about leads to untruths being hurtful and disappointing. But as I said I think it is inenvitable.
Quote by keeno
Perhaps by nature of what the site is about leads to untruths being hurtful and disappointing. But as I said I think it is inenvitable.

Sorry but I feel personally offended that you would say its inevitable that everyone would lie on here. I challenge you to find anyone on here who knows me to say I have lied. I am one of the most open and honest people around. Even here I have stated my situation as honestly as I can. I'm sad to think you expect everyone to be liars. I know several others on here who I wouldn't dream of accusing of lying ether.
DD
Quote by devondelight

Perhaps by nature of what the site is about leads to untruths being hurtful and disappointing. But as I said I think it is inenvitable.

Sorry but I feel personally offended that you would say its inevitable that everyone would lie on here. I challenge you to find anyone on here who knows me to say I have lied. I am one of the most open and honest people around. Even here I have stated my situation as honestly as I can. I'm sad to think you expect everyone to be liars.
DD
I did not mean to offend anyone but I can see that I have and I deeply regret that. I did not intend to suggest everyone here is a liar, just a few.
However, I just feel it is more sensible to be cautious about what you read here.
I am puzzled by why people think being 100% truthful is a virtue. Even omitting facts to avoid a lie could be considered lying by omission. We all make these decisions all the time should I say this should I say that.
I stick by my original point that on this site and any like it you will inenvitably encounter people who are lying.
Maybe its me? confused
Quote by keeno

Perhaps by nature of what the site is about leads to untruths being hurtful and disappointing. But as I said I think it is inenvitable.

Sorry but I feel personally offended that you would say its inevitable that everyone would lie on here. I challenge you to find anyone on here who knows me to say I have lied. I am one of the most open and honest people around. Even here I have stated my situation as honestly as I can. I'm sad to think you expect everyone to be liars.
DD
I did not mean to offend anyone but I can see that I have and I deeply regret that. I did not intend to suggest everyone here is a liar, just a few.
However, I just feel it is more sensible to be cautious about what you read here.
I am puzzled by why people think being 100% truthful is a virtue. Even omitting facts to avoid a lie could be considered lying by omission. We all make these decisions all the time should I say this should I say that.
I stick by my original point that on this site and any like it you will inenvitably encounter people who are lying.
Maybe its me? confused
I'm not saying take everything said on here as gospel, but I prefer to assume people are being truthful first and if proved liars, well enough said, rather than assume everything that is said is possibly a lie and so therefore has to be tested out until proven otherwise.
Innocent until proven guilty was what I was brought up on and the day I think this country believes everyone guilty until proven innocent is the day I emigrate.
For me honesty and truthfulness is far more precious than anythihng else. Maybe I am being naive, but I would rather believe people than question every word they say as possibly false ... what an aweful world to live in if that were the case. Liars always out themselves in the end anyway, so its not a problem.
Keeno you are being pedantic now .. we all lie to save people's feelings ... I don't think that is what we are talking about here ... its the lies that are told for totally selfish reasons to deceive and trick people, for the persons own selfish ends that is wrong. We all have to 'protect' people with a lie sometimes, but that is different. And being honest here .. your a damn nuisance for living in the far south east instead of the far south west and I've always thought that of you ... is that honest enough lol
DD
Thanks All for replying!
I believe I am being private and it is my own business, but it was interesting to have another who is not so "available" throw back my privacy as a lie/secret that is comparable to their own.
I guess the debate supports my own feeling about on-line friendships (or more) that "until you can look them in the eye, it is not really real"
This is refering to many things - from sexual chemistry between people, to honesty, to the start of trust, to deciding how or if to proceed. This does not mean we should dis-trust but we should accept that we do not know everything about a person other than the often confusing medium of type where emotion and context can often be lost.
Hell we even get it very very wrong with people we have only ever met face to face!!!
We are all able to improve our own PR in this anonymous internet world - whether intended or not. Most of us do not realise how different we can be in our own perception of ourselves compared to how others see us. I do believe that most of us want and try to be honest, at least as mush as we can while still protecting ourselves but sometimes we believe our own PR a little more than we should?
Thanks xx
Quote by Fiestybbw
I guess the debate supports my own feeling about on-line friendships (or more) that "until you can look them in the eye, it is not really real"
This is refering to many things - from sexual chemistry between people, to honesty, to the start of trust, to deciding how or if to proceed.

Absolutely agree with you on this. I'd spoken to someone on here for aaaaaaaaaages and knew he was brill, then we met and just 'clicked' - fortunately it was great. But it could have been completely different.
Quote by devondelight

Perhaps by nature of what the site is about leads to untruths being hurtful and disappointing. But as I said I think it is inenvitable.

Sorry but I feel personally offended that you would say its inevitable that everyone would lie on here. I challenge you to find anyone on here who knows me to say I have lied. I am one of the most open and honest people around. Even here I have stated my situation as honestly as I can. I'm sad to think you expect everyone to be liars. I know several others on here who I wouldn't dream of accusing of lying ether.
DD
There are some who lie here, there must be, just the numbers make me sure that there are some. The same people lie in the real world as well. Probably not as well, 80% of communication is non-verbal.
The odd joke I have dropped which I know no one took seriously, was by some. Was that a lie?
Bottom line is some lie, some do not.
Travis