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Quote by flower411
In our circle of friends, one of the divorced ladies has a 17 year old son...
He`s tall and good looking and all of the "old girls" have been eyeing him up for a couple of years now !!
This Summer he`s had his girlfriend to stay in his Mums house for the holidays, which has raised a few eyebrows rolleyes
Anyway... Sunday night Mrs f suggested that she take him home and one of the guys just happened to mention that he wouldn`t mind looking after the girlfriend !!
He got pretty told off by all the same women who had been eyeing up the young lad !!
Double standards if you ask me :roll:
Is it socially acceptable for women to lust after young men but a bit dodgy when it`s guys lusting after young women ???

My feeling is (totally personal view) is that any 'older' person obviously lusting after someone a young as 17 is distasteful in the extreme. I have been around when it's been displayed and I found it cringingly embarrassing.
This - by the way - is a different situation from a couple with a large age-gap. That is two-way. It's the "oooer, young man/young lady!!" syndrome that makes me cringe.
Alot of people look at it diffrently, but for myself i believe its exactly the same thing.
A cpl of weeks ago a neighbours daughter had a guy come over and stay for 5 days, she is 17. He apparently was 20 then 22 then 24 :shock: More like 44!!! And im not just saying that.
The neighbour was telling us how annoyed she was about it and that under no circumstances was they going to be sleeping together under her roof. I actually did raise the issue of.. ok for a girl its a bit of a thrill to have an older guy... but what on earth did he want with a girl as young as 17?
My Girl Friend is a lot younger than me and as she says and lots of others agree. "age is only a number" If the couple and their immediate family have no objections then what's the problem.
Or is it cos of the " young" age, what if the girl was 30 and the guy 55 or vice versa would there still be a problem?
It would Still be the same age gap between a girl of 17 and a guy of 42 rolleyes
As a dirty old fart I feel it's right and proper to regard the eye candy with an experienced and aesthetically orientated eye, buuuuuuuuttttttt, look but don't touch.
Let's face it, if one were to follow through with the aforesaid lechery then WTF are you gonna talk to the girl about afterwards? The latest Girls Aloud single?
Quote by Peanut
As a dirty old fart I feel it's right and proper to regard the eye candy with an experienced and aesthetically orientated eye, buuuuuuuuttttttt, look but don't touch.
Let's face it, if one were to follow through with the aforesaid lechery then WTF are you gonna talk to the girl about afterwards? The latest Girls Aloud single?

lol :lol: :lol:
I have worked out who you are - stand up Lesley Phillips and bow biggrin
Quote by foxylady2209
As a dirty old fart I feel it's right and proper to regard the eye candy with an experienced and aesthetically orientated eye, buuuuuuuuttttttt, look but don't touch.
Let's face it, if one were to follow through with the aforesaid lechery then WTF are you gonna talk to the girl about afterwards? The latest Girls Aloud single?

lol :lol: :lol:
I have worked out who you are - stand up Lesley Phillips and bow biggrin
I could have been Patrick Cargill ya know :P
I don't know about socially acceptable but I wouldn't go there! A 17 yr old?? not a chance. My daughter is more likely to be looking in that direction not I.
I prefer a man to show a story or two in his face not a nursery rhyme.
Quote by jaymar
I prefer a man to show a story or two in his face not a nursery rhyme.

Pick me Mar
Ive got a full series on mines lol
Quote by flower411
In our circle of friends, one of the divorced ladies has a 17 year old son...
He`s tall and good looking and all of the "old girls" have been eyeing him up for a couple of years now !!
This Summer he`s had his girlfriend to stay in his Mums house for the holidays, which has raised a few eyebrows rolleyes
Anyway... Sunday night Mrs f suggested that she take him home and one of the guys just happened to mention that he wouldn`t mind looking after the girlfriend !!
He got pretty told off by all the same women who had been eyeing up the young lad !!
Double standards if you ask me :roll:
Is it socially acceptable for women to lust after young men but a bit dodgy when it`s guys lusting after young women ???

Dont think either are sociably acceptable.
I open my paper every day and see girls of 18 or 19 nearly naked in the paper. Of course as a guy I would say cor sometimes but...I would not want to go out with someone that young.
When I was nearly 17 I went out with a woman of 26. The only person that I know who did not agree was my Father. His arguement was " what does she see in someone so much younger "? I think the age difference is so much more apparent the younger you are.
I have seen many older guys going out with much younger girls and I say good luck to him. I dont seem to see much older women with younger guys if honest, but then again maybe I dont notice that as much.
Quote by woohoo

I prefer a man to show a story or two in his face not a nursery rhyme.

Pick me Mar
Ive got a full series on mines lol

sillyhwoar: let the reading commence! :rascal:
I have a son of 17 so no way would I ever flirt with a guy of this age. I could think he is an attractive lad for example but to find him sexually appealing no way.
Away from the original op slightly!
There was a guy on here once that I chatted to that was 18 and once I found out I wanted to protect him.
I was horrifed one day when he came into a room I was in and said he was asked to meet a couple in their mid 40's he asked my advice and if I would ever meet someone as young as him. I gave him advice but said it was his choice.
I was slightly sickened by a couple this age asking a lad so young to join them.
I dont know others thoughts on this.
i dont find a large age gap a problem as such , if both are happy.
i know the argumemt of 17 and a say 37 year old is the same gap as a 27 and 47 year old but the emotional and mental is a world apart.
i know you will find some 17 year olds more mature than a 27 year old, but come on, they havent life experiences.
i dont know what age i would say is acceptable, but i would NEVER look at someone who is the same age or younger than my daughter.
relationship wise i would get bored, i would want a equal and be able to reminise about past stuff.
and sexually, ok i dont want even just the body then im still attracted to the mind.
i know this isnt always the situation.
but everyone seems to have mentioned the physical but its the mental and the young vulnerability.
same rules if its a man or woman.
xx fem xx
ok gonna throw sommat in here ..... wasnt it acceptable and even encouraged to have relations with a female as young as 13 only 100 years ago ... and if she wasnt married off by the time she was 17 she was considered an old maid and therefore unmarriable ... and wernt the males in this relationship generaly old enough to be their fathers ... just a thought ... its all about standards of the day as well as personal choice and if its legal and all are happy then go for it
Quote by flower411
In our circle of friends, one of the divorced ladies has a 17 year old son...
He`s tall and good looking and all of the "old girls" have been eyeing him up for a couple of years now !!
This Summer he`s had his girlfriend to stay in his Mums house for the holidays, which has raised a few eyebrows rolleyes
Anyway... Sunday night Mrs f suggested that she take him home and one of the guys just happened to mention that he wouldn`t mind looking after the girlfriend !!
He got pretty told off by all the same women who had been eyeing up the young lad !!
Double standards if you ask me :roll:
Is it socially acceptable for women to lust after young men but a bit dodgy when it`s guys lusting after young women ???

personally i think just lusting after anyones 17 year old child is in bad taste confused
But the i would never intoroduce my kids to people i had met thro swinging anyway that just seems in bad taste too to me
Quote by sparky33
I don't think there is anything wrong with a guy or a woman looking at those younger than them, after all they are both "legal", the difference is if they come on a bit strong and it's clear the younger person isn't interseted and they don't get the messgae.
I doubt there is any age where you stop to appreciate the beuty or sexual appeal of those younger than you.
You get 16 yr olds that look 12, and 16 yr olds that look 26, I would sleep with a 16 yr old if she fell into the latter category.
The reason women get away with it, is because general society still doesn't look upon women as sexual beings, so they can giggle it away.

what about a 16 year old that looked like a 16 year old? wink
Quote by sparky33
I don't think there is anything wrong with a guy or a woman looking at those younger than them, after all they are both "legal", the difference is if they come on a bit strong and it's clear the younger person isn't interseted and they don't get the messgae.
I doubt there is any age where you stop to appreciate the beuty or sexual appeal of those younger than you.
You get 16 yr olds that look 12, and 16 yr olds that look 26, I would sleep with a 16 yr old if she fell into the latter category.
The reason women get away with it, is because general society still doesn't look upon women as sexual beings, so they can giggle it away.

what about a 16 year old that looked like a 16 year old? wink
What does a 16 yr old look like?
is this one of them how longs a piece of strong questions? lol
most 16 year olds look like kids, (or maybe thats just me getting old lol) legal or not i couldn't haver sex with someone who looks like a child, i've never met one that could pass as 26 even with make up on lol i suppose its a matter of each to their own but i always think older women going for younger guys is a bit sad and almost like they trying to prover something to themselves, personally i've never been that insicure that i've needed a toy boy hanging off my arm to make me feel good biggrin i think guys go for younger women cause lets face it they just look better naked i know i had a better body at that age than i have now
OOOOO Just to be clear !!!!
These are all vanilla friends !!!!! :shock:
I certainly wouldn`t feel comfortable with kids around swinging friends ...
I was definately talking about "lust" here and not suggesting that anybody was going to follow through!!
cause swingers could not b trusted round them eh eh eh rolleyes
no we r the same we do not introduce our kids to our swinging circle best the 2 worlds don't colide but only cause we don't want things to slup out in front of them not cause we don't trust them round kids lol :lol:
ok so fecked that quote up :shock:
Quote by sparky33
When I was that age, I didn't find women over 30 attractive, so I wouldn't have done it, on the other hand, he was clearly of a different mindset.
I had a pal the same age as me, and he twice had girlfriends over 20 year older than him, one was 26 yrs older than him, but she was rich.
My Father has had 5 wives, and one was only 3 yrs older than me (Yes, I did) and I was only 16 when he first got with her.

You shagged your dad's wife??? :shock: :shock: :shock:
Or have I read that wrong?? confused
Quote by sparky33
they were seperated at the time

oh well that makes it ok then
jeeezzzeeeee man wheres ya morals :doh:
rotflmao :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Quote by flower411
In our circle of friends, one of the divorced ladies has a 17 year old son...
He`s tall and good looking and all of the "old girls" have been eyeing him up for a couple of years now !!
This Summer he`s had his girlfriend to stay in his Mums house for the holidays, which has raised a few eyebrows rolleyes
Anyway... Sunday night Mrs f suggested that she take him home and one of the guys just happened to mention that he wouldn`t mind looking after the girlfriend !!
He got pretty told off by all the same women who had been eyeing up the young lad !!
Double standards if you ask me :roll:
Is it socially acceptable for women to lust after young men but a bit dodgy when it`s guys lusting after young women ???

personally i think just lusting after anyones 17 year old child is in bad taste confused
But the i would never intoroduce my kids to people i had met thro swinging anyway that just seems in bad taste too to me
OOOOO Just to be clear !!!!
These are all vanilla friends !!!!! :shock:
I certainly wouldn`t feel comfortable with kids around swinging friends ...
I was definately talking about "lust" here and not suggesting that anybody was going to follow through !!
what you mean your vanilla friends lust after they mates 17 year old children :shock: :shock:
You sure they vanilla? lol
Quote by Peanut
I could have been Patrick Cargill ya know :P

Wasn't he the young girls father, dear father! :shock:
Quote by NLondonJohn

I could have been Patrick Cargill ya know :P

Wasn't he the young girls father, dear father! :shock:
Give that man a toffee. Yes he was, but he also frequently played an ageing lothario with an eye for young ladies half his age.
This was a credit to his acting ability as in real life he was bent as a nine-bob note and more camp than Billy Smart's tent. lol
Quote by sparky33
they were seperated at the time

:shock: :shock: :shock:
Words fail me.
Quote by sara-john
ok gonna throw sommat in here ..... wasnt it acceptable and even encouraged to have relations with a female as young as 13 only 100 years ago ... and if she wasnt married off by the time she was 17 she was considered an old maid and therefore unmarriable ... and wernt the males in this relationship generaly old enough to be their fathers ... just a thought ... its all about standards of the day as well as personal choice and if its legal and all are happy then go for it

Yep with you there, Queen Elizabeth I actually lusted after younger men for most of her 'older' years, even back then she knew it was wrong though.
Of course the death age was lower so maybe they had to start younger to enjoy the time they had lol
Yes times have changed, you wouldn't find our future King bed hopping with young girls like some in the past... or would you???
The thing that stops me is my maternal instincts. If a guy is not yet matured, so they have the ability to grow full facial hair, there body isn't developed enough and there voices are still breaking then I just don't get it.
However, it I come across a guy who has matured early and comes across in a way that allows me to forget the age gap then why not? Youngest person I have found to be able to do this is 21, I can't imagine anyone younger being physically mature enough, plus as my son gets older so does my ability to relate with younger men of his age group.
I tend to naturally see around 28 as the cut off point, which varies depending on the above statement.
I'm not sure if men have the same maternal instinct towards young women.
I also think that young people can be attractive, but I tend to look at them as 'potential' ie, one day that person will be stunning or very handsome as for me they are not yet the finished product.
Bit like watching you're favourite meal being cooked. No point eating it until it's come out of the oven as it won't taste as nice. (is that a crap analogy or what?)
*note - Some young men (20s+) I have met have been far more mature than some men of my own age.
There is a 21 year age difference between my parents and they got together when my mum was just 18! Age differences can work (they've been married 36 years now).
My grandparents weren't impressed with the older man/younger girl scenario but it worked.
I think this is a problem with society today, we sexualise our children at an earlier age, and they become a lot more aware of themselves and in turn their attraction to the opposite sex increases.
This is one of the reasons I hate to see adults having a "school theme" for fancy dress! Hell I've got school age children!
Personally my cut off age is around the 25 mark, but if someone looked younger I'd definitely say no.
Someone may look older than their years at 16 but their maturity is a different story!
Quote by sparky33
When I was that age, I didn't find women over 30 attractive, so I wouldn't have done it, on the other hand, he was clearly of a different mindset.
I had a pal the same age as me, and he twice had girlfriends over 20 year older than him, one was 26 yrs older than him, but she was rich.
My Father has had 5 wives, and one was only 3 yrs older than me (Yes, I did) and I was only 16 when he first got with her.

That is just so not right :doh:
Quote by Calista
This is one of the reasons I hate to see adults having a "school theme" for fancy dress! Hell I've got school age children!

yes, calista. I feel exactly the same way. It has meant that I don't attend certain occasions as sexualising a uniform that is clearly for tnose who are under age is, to me, contradictory and just 'wrong'
I have no issue with most people's relationships as they are none of my business and if people are consenting and they are not hurting anyone then the only harm is to those who feel a sense of moral outrage because of how they were brought up. For example when swinging one of my, many, rules is that I won't have sex with someone who is closer in age to my son than me. It is distasteful to me. Back to the consenting bit tho'. If we were to talk Law then it is fairly black and white (as laws have to be) and if both parties say 'yes' then they have consented. If you look at a person's background and they have been raised with a dysfunctional view of themselves as an autonomous person then they may actually be in no position to make an informed decision about a sexual relationship. This is, to me, the many concerns for people who view these relationships as 'wrong' they would have to be in, for them, an incorrect state of mind to consider the relationship as normal to partake in personally and it is from this perspective they make statements that seem harsh.
I could come out with the 'each to their own' phrase which is becoming a really patronising cop out. My point is that our society has dictated the terms of acceptable in regards to this subject and it is through the changing of laws to back up the subject that have validated them and given people the support they need to make generalisations. Just as people can produce those with huge disparities in age with a long relationship as 'proof' that it works.
Many years ago society was supportive of large age gaps with the man being the much elder. It was supported by laws that meant that a woman was unable to have her own money and land and the man needed to be in a good financial position to support her. Now those laws have changed and this is seen as archaic.
In a long winded answer to the OP. I would simply say (after all that waffle) that the differences in opinion around the room were down to the many different sets of moral compass and the ways in which each person was brought up and the impact of that on the way they view themselves and others. The law is not always right and changes so often to fit with people's moral outrage that it can at best be used as a low level guide.
Quote by Steve
When I was that age, I didn't find women over 30 attractive, so I wouldn't have done it, on the other hand, he was clearly of a different mindset.
I had a pal the same age as me, and he twice had girlfriends over 20 year older than him, one was 26 yrs older than him, but she was rich.
My Father has had 5 wives, and one was only 3 yrs older than me (Yes, I did) and I was only 16 when he first got with her.

That is just so not right :doh:
My Dad has had 4, he couldn't afford a 5th wink