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Should primary school children be taught Sex Education?

............ At school???
I had a quick look to see if this topic had been covered before and there is 284 pages to look through possibly linked...so i thought i would post it anyway.
My daughter is aged 10 and has 1 more year to do in junior school. Yesterday the class were issued with letters asking for permission to be taught about this with the rest off the class.
I agreed and think that all children should be taught this during primary school in hope that it cuts down the risk of teenage pregnancys or other things.
There was only 1 little girl who wasn't allowed to.
What do you think....?
Why do children need to know about sex before they are 11 .. seems a totally un-necessary deal to me. Information they don't need yet. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I believe in the age of innocence and am sad its virtually lost these days. I didn't even know about periods till I was 10 and a half and that was only cause one girl started hers in class and was so upset the teachers had a major problem on their hands as all sorts of rumours went round the class about it.
I got the sex education from my parents shortly after I started my periods at 11 and was fine. I knew exactly what I was doing and the consequences when I first had sex.
I don't think I was either surpressed or promiscuous .. just a normal teenager. I was a happy child and safe enough in my ignorance. When I did learn about sex I was ready for it.
I feel there is too much emphasis on sex these days.
DD
Trouble is, 10 year olds are not as innocent as we'd like to think. They are curious and easily affected by image, and by far the most common image kids see these days are sexy ones.
Pop stars are far more sexual than the were even when I was drooling over Siouxsie and giggling at Sid Vicious swearing.
Sex is everywhere and kids are not blind, stupid or so far behind the door that they don't know that naughty is appealing. But they are far too young to deal with the emotional mess that having sex too early can bring. (I'm getting to the age where I think 'too early' means under 21...)
There are 13 year olds getting pregnant. They need to know how to protect themselves. They need to learn it's OK to say no, but they do, unfortunately, need to be aware of dieases and risks if they don't say no. I think sex education is vital at that age, but I do agree it's a crying shame that it is.
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Why do children need to know about sex before they are 11 .. seems a totally un-necessary deal to me.

Two girls (one in a year 5 class, aged 9 years; the other in a year 6 class, aged 10 years), were recently caught (outside school hours) giving a blow job to a 10-year old boy, also in the school I work at. The boy's 6-year old brother and several other children, all under 10 years old, watched this happen.
Sex and relationship education is absolutely essential, in my opinion. I have to add though, that I don't think it should only take place in school.
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I didn't even know about periods till I was 10 and a half and that was only cause one girl started hers in class and was so upset the teachers had a major problem on their hands as all sorts of rumours went round the class about it.

Exactly why I feel sex education and the subject of periods should be brought up early and at school.
I feel kids would take much more notice of a teacher while with their peers than they would if a parent explained things to them
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I got the sex education from my parents shortly after I started my periods at 11 and was fine. I knew exactly what I was doing and the consequences when I first had sex.

But you see that is too late, you could have got pregnant by then confused
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I have to add though, that I don't think it should only take place in school.

The only problem with this for some parents is that they can lack knowledge and the ability to explain things in a way a child can understand confused
It would worry me that a child couldget mixed messages or incorrect info dunno
That is really depressing to hear but it does higlight why these children need to be well informed.
i never had any sex education from my parents and thought i was dying when i started my period even more embarrassing my mam made her boyfriend explain to me and off he marched me to the shop (we lived in a tiny village with only 1 shop) and made me ask for pads (they were kept behind the counter back then) i could of died in shame redface surprisedops: :oops: maybe this would of been easier if i hadnt started so early so i totally agree kids should be taught early my sons 8 and have explained a little to him
My daughter started asking questions very early on and when she was six she asked me about sex - what was it? how were babies made? etc. I decided to tell her in the most appropriate way for a youngster explaining about a ladies egg is fertilised by a mans sperm and they then make a baby grow inside the mummy's tummy - just to check she was alright with that - I asked her if she understood...........
"well yes mum, I knew about the sex thing just didn't know about the fertiliser"!!
kids - don't you just love them!
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Why do children need to know about sex before they are 11 ..

i think most kids know all about sex by that age now days anyway i have two teenage daughters aged 13 and 14 and they know thing i wouldnt even dreamed they know, just little things like sexual innuendo jokes on tv that they giggle at and obvioulsy get that i really wouldnt have though they would, worse thing is i have never told them anything about sex, growing up, periods or anything not cause i havnt wanted to but because i havnt need to they have already picked it up off the streets, school etc they know everything at a very young age now day most of the kids doing sex education will already know a lot of what they are being tought, in my opinion the younger they are tough things like birth control the better as there seems to be more and more girls getting pregnant while still at school, and kids experamenting with sex is something thats always happened and always will its all part of growing up, wether you like it or not, so surely its better to teach them about condoms at a early age than have them pregnant at 13.
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Why do children need to know about sex before they are 11 .. seems a totally un-necessary deal to me. Information they don't need yet. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I believe in the age of innocence and am sad its virtually lost these days. I didn't even know about periods till I was 10 and a half and that was only cause one girl started hers in class and was so upset the teachers had a major problem on their hands as all sorts of rumours went round the class about it.
I got the sex education from my parents shortly after I started my periods at 11 and was fine. I knew exactly what I was doing and the consequences when I first had sex.
I don't think I was either surpressed or promiscuous .. just a normal teenager. I was a happy child and safe enough in my ignorance. When I did learn about sex I was ready for it.
I feel there is too much emphasis on sex these days.
DD

I have to disagree with you on this one DD pet, I think the age of 10/11 is about right. Some girls have matured and started their periods before this age and technically they could fall pregnant even though their bodies are not quite ready for it.
At the age of 10 I bought my daughter a book on puberty and sat down with her. I then left her with the book and said if she had any more questions she could come to me at any time. She was totally unphased by it all and the book went back in her draw with a statement saying "I knew most of it anyway".
My daughter is now 16 and has her first serious boyfriend, she is not ready for sex and we've talked at length about waiting for the right moment. I think my relaxed attitude has paid off as she is very respectful of her body and doesn't feel the need to rush out and see what it's all about.
Naivity is the quickest way to a pregnancy or STD I'm afraid.
My mother was a late-starter at 17 and she didn't have a clue. She knew a little about sex from friends etc but nothing about menstruation or the fact that they were linked. Subsequently, when she found out she was pregnant with me at the age of 25, the doctor had to explain how it happened.
That's coming from a 3rd child of 6 in a catholic family growing up in the 50's and 60's.
When I was 6. she sat me down with a book called the circle of life which pretty much explained everything from prehistoric man to present time, different cultures and traditions but also periods, sex,. babies, personal development and love. I used that book as a reference over the years.
My daughter is 8 and her school have already done some sex ed which I agreed with and am happy about - personal development, proper names for body parts, periods, hair - that type of thing.
I promised I would answer her questions as she asked them. So far, we've discussed the need for tampons and The Pill,hairy bits and boobs .... obviously, we're an all-female household so the male questions haven't arisen yet.
I wish her dad would have felt comfortable being naked around her when she was very young as it's now too late and no matter what I say, she's still all giggly over boys and bits.
we have a Miriam Stoppard book illustrated with cartoon people but still anatomically (?????) accurate and very informative in a way that's not too intimidating. I intend to bring that out in the next year or so if she hasn't asked any more questions.
I agree with most of the above posts. Sex ed should definitely be taught in schools - certainly no later than the final year - but that should not be the only place. It's down to the family to support and guide kids.
I think early sex education is essential. It doesnt have to go into the nitty gritty of things, however they do need to know the basics!
I started my periods early at 9, and we had had no sex education, not even the lesson about periods or puberty. Luckily for me my parents were forward thinkers and i had lots of home education on sex and relationships so i didnt think i was bleeding to death when it happend!
My daughter is 3 and has already been asking questions. She has a 1 year old brother, her childminder is pregnant and we currently have a litter of kittens, so being the astute girl she is she wants to know how they got in there. I bought a very very simple book which explains the basics and have used this along with my own common sense to try and teach her. We dont hide nakedness from her and answer her questions openly and honestly.
She starts pre-school in september and already we have had a letter asking us to give permission for sex and relationship lessons. This i think is only a good thing, they wont be getting sordid or giving out lots of information at this stage, but to begin learning about relationships and their own bodies is a good thing imho.
mrs v
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She starts pre-school in september and already we have had a letter asking us to give permission for sex and relationship lessons. This i think is only a good thing, they wont be getting sordid or giving out lots of information at this stage, but to begin learning about relationships and their own bodies is a good thing imho.

Now that is the way forward, learning about relationships as well as sex :thumbup:
Just a thought, maybe some parents need educating on how to explain things to a child dunno
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Just a thought, maybe some parents need educating on how to explain things to a child dunno

Absolutely! There are classes for parents to learn how to help their kids with academic topics, classes for breast feeding, ante natal and post natal care etc etc .. why not sex ed? Makes sense.
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Just a thought, maybe some parents need educating on how to explain things to a child dunno

Too true!
Parents imho should be a Child’s primary source for sex and relationship education! It’s a sad fact that a lot of parents I have spoken to about to start the pre-school are happy just to let the school handle all sex education for their children. Schools just don’t have enough time to devote to this!
We as parents should be teaching them about relationships. Let them see and ask questions about the differences between boys and girls. Answer their questions honestly and at a level with their own understanding.
Our childminder is great and has also helped in this process. She has let our daughter feel her bump and the baby inside moving. They have a Doppler so she has also heard the baby’s heart beating (as she did when I was preg with her baby brother too). She is aware we (and the other parents of the children she cares for) want an open approach to sex and relationships. So whenever questions have arisen they have been discussed in the same manner we would have and she gives us a breakdown of what they have talked about too. This allows us to bring the subject up at home and build up a full picture.
Our daughter knows the very basics of sex and how a baby gets in there - but there is sooo much more we teach her about relationships! We make sure she sees warm hugs and friendly kisses between mummy and daddy (and other family members). This I hope teaches her that physical affection isn’t just about sex, and can be expressed in many different ways.
I also think it’s an issue about safety. We have discussed the problem of strangers, and what to do. That she should tell us if someone touches her and makes her feel uncomfortable, hurt or sad.
Lol right I’ll shurrup now - too long a post for so early in the morning! lol redface
I really do not know the best time to start sex education, and I can not remember what age I was when the letters went home to my parents.
What I do know is I learnt about sex in the farm yard. When the teacher put all his diagrams up he just managed to label the parts and say don't rush in to anything. Oh, and sex should be part of a caring relationship.
I think he was glad to be able to get back to cutting up worms in the next lesson. When there was no embarrassing questions.
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I also think it’s an issue about safety. We have discussed the problem of strangers, and what to do. That she should tell us if someone touches her and makes her feel uncomfortable, hurt or sad.

I have taught my son all about sex/differences between genders etc from as soon as he asked the first questions. :- Aged 2 seeing me on the toilet "oh mummy, where is your willy?" with a look of sheer fright on his face.
I also didn't specify strangers. I never ever told him to 'kiss auntie/uncle ### goodbye as I am well aware (as we all should be) that most sexual abuse happens within 'the family'. He needed, from an early age, to know exactly how he wanted to be touched and by whom. As much as the idea is repugnant to me I know that I can't protect him from an abuser that I may have a perfectly healthy adult relationship with. I needed to allow him to have choices. I have never touched him without asking him first. 'can I have a kiss/cuddle please?' He also asks first.
What I have now is a confident, sexually aware/open 14 year old.
He kisses some of my male/female friends and he initiates that contact. (much to their delight and surprise as they have been chosen)
He is open about sex and gives advice to his friends (who are having sex) about relationships,love, feelings as well as how to put condoms on. (This is something that I have been through with him annually since he was nine)
I firmly believe that sex education is something that should be done by anyone that is confident to do it, and the child trusts enough to ask.
I am not sure that I would want to the school to get in their first, when their views about sex are heterosexually and monogomy based.
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I didn't even know about periods till I was 10 and a half and that was only cause one girl started hers in class and was so upset the teachers had a major problem on their hands as all sorts of rumours went round the class about it.

Exactly why I feel sex education and the subject of periods should be brought up early and at school.
I feel kids would take much more notice of a teacher while with their peers than they would if a parent explained things to them
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I got the sex education from my parents shortly after I started my periods at 11 and was fine. I knew exactly what I was doing and the consequences when I first had sex.

But you see that is too late, you could have got pregnant by then confused
Dawnie we are talking about 40 yrs ago and sex was just not on my mind or in my experience. I had never seen a male naked or watched a sex scene on telly. I was kept well away from sex ... it was a different era to today. I suppose I must be naive .. my sons are in their mid 20's and I do remember them saying when I tried to tell them about sex at 11 they had been told at school 3 times already and were bored with it. I must admit I was totally shocked cause no one ever told me they were being given sex education and I did wonder exactly what they had been told.
The first time I saw a penis was when I was 14 and that was in a medical book and I was so shocked I couldn't believe it was real. I was appalled that men had such ugly things attached to them .. I was that far removed from men and what they really looked like. Mind you after that my curiousity was peaked and it was precisely cause of becoming aware of sex that I ended up indulging in it. Yes I was told about VD and pregnancy but it never stopped me from asking a boy in the end to have sex with me when I was 15 .. yes I sort of demanded it cause the last 2 boyfriends I had .. had dumped me cause I wouldn't have sex with them and my over riding concern was that I had to have a boyfriend or I would have been classed as a loser by my peers. It had far more to do with being accepted by the girls in my class than me wanting sex and to be honest I think thats probably what drives the under age sex today. Wanting to look big and be accepted. I never used any protection and had sex for 15 months every day with this fella and never got pregnant or any disease. I just didn't believe it would happen to me cause I didn't want it too. Its the naive mentality that should have got me pregnant. The only reason I didn't is cause I am virtually infertile and had to have medical help getting pregnant 10 yrs later in order to get children.
So for me it was the knowledge that made me sexually active not the ignorance.
DD
I agree with the majority here (sorry DD disagree with your view on protecting innocence, it's sadly doing the opposite) that it should be discussed early on in schools. Certainly from infant school with the basis on relationships and babies then more detail at junior level. Agree totally with FB that it should be done at home too, not relying on school to do the "dirty" work as sadly many parents do shy away from the responsibility.
Also agreeing with Velvet that we need to show our children about love, respect, affection alongside the physiology of sex and anatomy.
Blimey agreeing with everyone today! Also Marya, I too had a book called "Where did I come from?" (still in print now) that I was given as a small girl and read it cover to cover and always went back to it at any age.
The dutch have very early and very explicit teaching in schools (I was partly shocked and I am very pro early sex ed) but the average age of children losing their virginity is something like 18. They are empowered, know their facts without embarrassment all taught with in a family framework. Case in point IMHO.
pink x
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I also think it’s an issue about safety. We have discussed the problem of strangers, and what to do. That she should tell us if someone touches her and makes her feel uncomfortable, hurt or sad.

I have taught my son all about sex/differences between genders etc from as soon as he asked the first questions. :- Aged 2 seeing me on the toilet "oh mummy, where is your willy?" with a look of sheer fright on his face.
I also didn't specify strangers. I never ever told him to 'kiss auntie/uncle ### goodbye as I am well aware (as we all should be) that most sexual abuse happens within 'the family'. He needed, from an early age, to know exactly how he wanted to be touched and by whom. As much as the idea is repugnant to me I know that I can't protect him from an abuser that I may have a perfectly healthy adult relationship with. I needed to allow him to have choices. I have never touched him without asking him first. 'can I have a kiss/cuddle please?' He also asks first.
What I have now is a confident, sexually aware/open 14 year old.
He kisses some of my male/female friends and he initiates that contact. (much to their delight and surprise as they have been chosen)
He is open about sex and gives advice to his friends (who are having sex) about relationships,love, feelings as well as how to put condoms on. (This is something that I have been through with him annually since he was nine)
I firmly believe that sex education is something that should be done by anyone that is confident to do it, and the child trusts enough to ask.
I am not sure that I would want to the school to get in their first, when their views about sex are heterosexually and monogomy based.
perhaps i should'nt have used the word strangers, but expressed it as all people!
on the point about school i am quite happy for them to be teaching her, however it is a very forward thinking school and their lessons will be covering most (not all) different types of relationships. They are aware that there are 2 gay parent familys joining and have made it their purpose to express the different words and meanings to the children. e.g. familys arent always a mummy and a daddy. sometimes there is just a mummy, or a daddy. what hetrosexual and gay means and that all are acceptable. i doubt they will be going into too much detail in either aspect having seen the basic lesson plans, but i do think its good that they will be teaching accptance and normality for all different family dynamics and orientations.
and WOW splendid you sound like you have a well rounded and open teenager! something i sincerly hope my daughter will be! :thumbup:
We have four daughters. From a very early age I have tried to instill self respect in them.
Self respect comes first- you can know all about the mechanics but you should feel able, and confident enough to say when you want to do it.
Well ithink children should know all about babies and where they come from in language and detail appropriate for their age.
For too long we have worked with ignorance described as innocence and can see the consequence of kids learning first from each other.
Its a parental responsibility to create a constructive framework of family life that allows discussion and learning of the issues involved.
That is not going to happen in school - would I trust teachers in what amounts to formal teaching to do anything other than perhaps describe the biology and some main pointers regarding health and social consequences? Having said that I am aware that some parents are not going to or are not capable of giving the right information and perhaps we need someone like a GP (but not a GP) to give that advice if parents couldn't? But definitely not a teacher.
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Its a parental responsibility to create a constructive framework of family life that allows discussion and learning of the issues involved.
That is not going to happen in school - would I trust teachers in what amounts to formal teaching to do anything other than perhaps describe the biology and some main pointers regarding health and social consequences? Having said that I am aware that some parents are not going to or are not capable of giving the right information and perhaps we need someone like a GP (but not a GP) to give that advice if parents couldn't? But definitely not a teacher.

Why not a teacher? We are trained to give such advice and there has always been a nurse available to help. As both a teacher and a parent, I feel sufficiently qualified to teach sex education. More so than many of the parents in the area in which I teach.
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Its a parental responsibility to create a constructive framework of family life that allows discussion and learning of the issues involved.
That is not going to happen in school - would I trust teachers in what amounts to formal teaching to do anything other than perhaps describe the biology and some main pointers regarding health and social consequences? Having said that I am aware that some parents are not going to or are not capable of giving the right information and perhaps we need someone like a GP (but not a GP) to give that advice if parents couldn't? But definitely not a teacher.

Why not a teacher? We are trained to give such advice and there has always been a nurse available to help. As both a teacher and a parent, I feel sufficiently qualified to teach sex education. More so than many of the parents in the area in which I teach.
Yeah, but only coz you've been around the block so many times rolleyes
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never mind sex education at an early age, when do we get the letters telling us they want to teach them to read & write & do math without the aid of a computer, or is that just wishful thinking,.
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never mind sex education at an early age, when do we get the letters telling us they want to teach them to read & write & do maths without the aid of a computer, or is that just wishful thinking,.

I manage to teach reading, writing and maths without a computer - but I can teach it using one as well and the kids enjoy it more. Doesn't feel like they're working, you see - they think they're messing about on a PC.
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The only thing that does concern me is the total reliance on spellcheckers and the like.

That's why we also teach them spelling rules and conventions, as well as grammar and punctuation. Without a computer smile You know, writing them down on paper using a writing implement. They are taught how to use the spelling and grammar checking tools, but as part of the ICT curriculum.
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I just noticed the little red "s" on the end of "math" :giggle:

:giggle: wink