Whilst perusing a Swingers Club Website I spotted a statement from them in the Joining process where they say:
Agreement to be randomly checked against the sex offenders register
Good idea? bad idea? Safety is paramount so ensuring the safety of your members is a good thing.
But 'randomly checked' Not sure I like that idea, who determines when a member should be 'randomly checked' on what grounds? Is it a management decision? if so has the manager themselves been checked? How does anyone know?
To a point I understand the need for members having to supply some personal details when applying for membership ( not sure I'd be happy at giving over a passport/driving licence for them to 'scan' mind) but where do they store and what happens to the details when taken? Some amount of Data Protection should be afforded but is there? No Data Compliance Officer is noted on any Swingers Club Websites I've visited.
What next? DBS Check on all applicants?
In this day when so many companies are having their membership databases purged by hackers ( latest being Morrison's Employees Payroll of 100,000 staff) how long will it be before a SwingingClub has it's own database of members stolen and then ransomed off with the threat of it being uploaded to the net.
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You cannot check a name against the SOR just for the hell of it and owning a swingers club/website does not give you the right to check anyones' detail against it. You're a paying customer, would you allow Tescos to randomly check their customers details against it? Or your local bowls club?
Load of bollocks
Mal
Load of bollocks
Mal
Warming the Bed
I think the Club has to think about it's wording! - If it's being checked randomly is management just using a random number generator and then matching the results to membership numbers? - I don't think they are somehow lol
Luckily the swinger club I mostly go to appears to have few electronic records - the data is mostly held on paper files so there does not appear to be a central database which could be easily shared - sometimes the old ways are the best.
I can see why clubs need some data, just to have some control over their members. A lot of complaints concern pushy people at swingers clubs and most incidents dealt are with between the people concerned, some are dealt with management - I've never heard the police getting involved, but there's always a first time.
It may actually make sense for the club to have the sex offender data, and use it, to prevent trouble in the first place, and secondly, if there's any trouble to reassure the Local Authority who licences the club that they are talking all the steps they can to make it safe. So maybe the club is just responding to the LA, rather than its members.
As for modern technology the data it provides is fantastic in both good and bad ways. Luckily I would have no issue with my data being shared and falling into the wrong hands but can appreciate for a lot of people the data could be life changing, and so very valuable indeed.
Luckily the swinger club I mostly go to appears to have few electronic records - the data is mostly held on paper files so there does not appear to be a central database which could be easily shared - sometimes the old ways are the best.
I can see why clubs need some data, just to have some control over their members. A lot of complaints concern pushy people at swingers clubs and most incidents dealt are with between the people concerned, some are dealt with management - I've never heard the police getting involved, but there's always a first time.
It may actually make sense for the club to have the sex offender data, and use it, to prevent trouble in the first place, and secondly, if there's any trouble to reassure the Local Authority who licences the club that they are talking all the steps they can to make it safe. So maybe the club is just responding to the LA, rather than its members.
As for modern technology the data it provides is fantastic in both good and bad ways. Luckily I would have no issue with my data being shared and falling into the wrong hands but can appreciate for a lot of people the data could be life changing, and so very valuable indeed.
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You cannot check a name against the SOR just for the hell of it and owning a swingers club/website does not give you the right to check anyones' detail against it. You're a paying customer, would you allow Tescos to randomly check their customers details against it? Or your local bowls club?
Load of bollocks
Mal
Technically there is a difference, with tescos you are a customer but a private adult club you are a member and can be bound by the terms and conditions of membership. If you don't like it, you don't join! It's your choice.
As for checking against the SOR, I'd go one further and check everyone!
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Quote by Rogue_Trader
You cannot check a name against the SOR just for the hell of it and owning a swingers club/website does not give you the right to check anyones' detail against it. You're a paying customer, would you allow Tescos to randomly check their customers details against it? Or your local bowls club?
Load of bollocks
Mal
Technically there is a difference, with tescos you are a customer but a private adult club you are a member and can be bound by the terms and conditions of membership. If you don't like it, you don't join! It's your choice.
As for checking against the SOR, I'd go one further and check everyone
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Maybe a bad example using Tescos, however they still cant check names against the SOR.
Mal
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It goes on to state:
Agreement to be randomly checked against the sex offenders register- This is randomly carried out anonymously without any adverse repurcussion should you not be on the register. The form will need to be completed as part of the membership forms when you attend the club for the first time.
Agreement to be randomly checked against the sex offenders register- This is randomly carried out anonymously without any adverse repurcussion should you not be on the register. The form will need to be completed as part of the membership forms when you attend the club for the first time.
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My guess is it's a bluff to stop people who have something to hide from coming in in the first place.
I agree with this one, a deterrent, just not a well thought out one.
Swinging clubs are private members clubs so have to hold a record of your membership on site, this includes name and address and how this was verified ie "passport/driving licence and utility bill. I don't know of any clubs that would ever contact you at home with these details they are simply recording them to abide with current regulations, most store them in paper format rather than electronically which means less chance of them being hacked, the one club I do know that stores them on a PC use a PC not connected to the internet and is used just as a database.
A club, well anyone, cannot check names against the SOR. It is not open to the public, if you care for young children you can make a request to find if someone has offences on their record, but that can be declined. You cannot just ask to see if a random member of the public is on the SOR.
Warming the Bed
I think you need to understand what constitutes a 'Private Members Club'. Swinging venues/clubs do not fall under the same category due to the number of members and both sexes being present.
Private members clubs offered a certain level of anonymity so this kind of 'search' probably would be ineffective, also what are the full range of offences that would be the cause of ending up on the register? People caught dogging? Or those who flash to their partners and are caught? Should they be excluded from a club?
It's a slippery road and the lack of secure data protection could be a nightmare.
Whilst the registries serve a very useful purpose protecting vulnerable people I can't see how it would help in a club.
Should all women be checked to see if they are prostitutes?
Should all men be checked to see if they are violent towards women or indeed men?
How would you enforce?
It just doesn't seem plausible to do random checks either, it would have to be everyone or no one.
Private members clubs offered a certain level of anonymity so this kind of 'search' probably would be ineffective, also what are the full range of offences that would be the cause of ending up on the register? People caught dogging? Or those who flash to their partners and are caught? Should they be excluded from a club?
It's a slippery road and the lack of secure data protection could be a nightmare.
Whilst the registries serve a very useful purpose protecting vulnerable people I can't see how it would help in a club.
Should all women be checked to see if they are prostitutes?
Should all men be checked to see if they are violent towards women or indeed men?
How would you enforce?
It just doesn't seem plausible to do random checks either, it would have to be everyone or no one.
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They cannot do a check against the SOR at all, it's an out and out bluff/lie/whatever you want to call it. It's just not allowed.
Mal
Mal
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Quote by Waterpistol
Am I wrong in thinking you could end up on the register just for doing outdoor sex?
Technically you can end up on ViSOR (Violent and sex offenders register) without ever being convicted of an offence, a recent check in manchester showed 25% of people added during the preceding 12 months had no criminal convictions at all but were simply added by the police based on their assesment.
As for the club I agree with Cubes, pure bluff to scare off the wierd pervs. A google search can be almost as revealing if you want to check out someones background.
