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darkfire, i have been in 2 sexless relationships.
one of them was for 5 years. one was for less than a year, but the experience of the 5 year thing fed my reaction in the one year thing.
my first 5 year thing was as a young man, both virgins, and i have no doubt that the initial sex was crap, on my part. didn't have a bleedin' clue! it was impossible to rescue things after the initial failings. redface sad i loved her to bits, i know she loved me, but there was no passion. kinda killed things.
the more recent one was where i thought we had it going, and when we did shag each other silly, it was bloody good, but sex was once a month, and dependant on things i can't mention on here. suffice to say, when she was horny, i wasn't, and vice versa.
i think love can keep a relationship going, even without sex, but only for so long, cos as soon as i though my g/f didn't wanna shag me, i thought "why are you with me if you don't fancy me enough to shag me?" it's an awful feeling, and yes there's a certain amount of insecurity there, but with good reason i think? confused
neil x x x ;)
My mum had MS for 27 years before it finally killed her, in all that time my dad stuck with her and i have no idea how long they went without sex but he stayed.
I respect him alot for that but i also wouldnt blame him if he did have some flings that we knew nothing of.
Mids
If me and Shaz had no sex life then it wouldn't be the end of the world, we still have our love and for us, the love in our relationship is worth far more than sex.
If it was Shaz that couldn't have sex because she was ill than nothing could be done and i would stick by her.
If it was Shaz that just didn't want sex with me then it would be time for us to have a heart to heart talk to find out why smile
Due to my mother being ill for a long long time my mother and father haven't had a sex life since my father was 42, he's 67 now... there still going strong so it just goes to prove, there is more to a relationship than sex.
Tony wink
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he's only 39 - should he put up with sex 10 times a year?

oooo good question :shock:
and I'm wondering if those who's parents relationships became celibate still 'work' because staying together is the 'done thing' with the older generation? wheras today with higher divorce rates/ single parent families etc its far more acceptable to split than it is to stay together, for whatever reason, including lack of sex dunno
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but if swinging wasnt an option? dunno

I would stay with my partner - as much as I crave and enjoy sex, it's not the be all and end all.
I am with you on this.
My ex's sex drive was always higher than mine when we were together ( hard to believe I know rolleyes ) but I think it was down to other things going wrong. Since we split and I've explored my bi-sexuality, my libido has shot through the roof !
That said, if I was with someone who's sex drive wasn't as high as mine, if I loved him I would stay with him, even if swinging wasn't an option. There are plenty of ways to release your sexual tension . Love and commitment are about more than just sex.
Love and commitment are about more than just sex.

:thumbup: but it does help lol
i see what you're saying, but i don't want to just have sex to release tension. i want to make love with my partner, which is a whole different kettle of fish. sure, i could have masturbated when i was with my ex, but i find that so unfulfilling. he was willing to go down on me anytime, but sometimes you just need a good hard shag with the man you love.
simple as that.
This is a thoughtful thread and it is close to home for me too. After the birth of our second child my wife went off sex though she was reasonably enthusiastic before. That was 24 years ago. She would brush me off if I held her, would sigh audibly if I aked her to use her hand. You can't understand how those rejections make you shrivel inside. I think the last time we had anything resembling sex was more than 10 years ago. She hates to see anything sexual on TV and will switch over with scornful comments and says she will leave if I play around with anyone else.
So why haven't I left? Well, I care for her. She has had depression, a repressive mother, she hasn't had a job for 30 years (she has played at trying to get a job but always finds some reason to throw it in) and couldn't support herself and I think she would be emotionally adrift too. In the past there were the children too though now they are independent. If she became sexual again it would be the greatest thing in my life but I don't expect it.
So what do I do for sex? I have always been a sexual person, not just a push it in guy but thinking about it and relishing all the varied pleasures of fore and after play. So it has come hard. The idea of using those poor abused exploited prostitutes offends my morality. So does the idea of having a girlfriend who gets strung along with vague promises of eventual divorce. I have neither the opportunity nor desire to go out clubbing for one night stands and anyway I can't stay out overnight anyway. Masturbation after the first five years becomes a lonely business. My solution eventually has been to find a couple or two that I can have uninhibited sex with. I have done so and it has been a life line for me. A fuck buddy with no strings expected on either side would be great too.
What I like about this site is not the expectation of a quick legover (not knocking it though) but the chance to speak to people with a similar attitude to sex as me.
Sorry it's a downer. I can do humorous too. I just wanted to put the point of view of a married man who was 'playing away'.
I dont know hun cos i dont really think i have beeni n that situation.
I did end up in a sexless marriage, or when we did have sex it was more like he was trying to hurt me or take something out on me, but i think the lack of sex stemmed from more underlying problems which resulted in us splitting.
Unless i was put in the situation i dont think i would really know
Earthy xx
Having been in that situation I know how hard it is, knowing that the one thing you really need from them is the one thing they can't give you and if you seek it elsewhere it would destroy the person you love. Anyone currently in that sutuation has my sympathy. Unfortunately I don't have a solution to it.
H.x
As I've said I think I could live without the sex - but living without any intimacy is a very different thing all together.
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As I've said I think I could live without the sex - but living without any intimacy is a very different thing all together.

i agree, there are times when i would much rather have a kiss and a cuddle than sex, snuggled up on a couch, having an excellent conversation good music in the background, cant be beat, IMO
Its a tough question, and I'm sure one only most people could answer totally truthfully when put in that situation.
I'd like to think that my relationship could survive if it ended up being a celibate one through disability/illness. Like already mentioned, I'd be more than capable of satisfying my own needs and although I would miss the physical side of our relationship, I trust that we'd be strong enough to survive without sex being part of our relationship.
That said, I don't think I'm naive enough to think it wouldn't make a difference from both sides. Guilt I believe would be a big contributory factor, mainly from the partner who felt they were letting their partner down by not being able to satisfy them in a sexual way.
However, although it's been touched on that if celibacy was caused through illness or disability, would it be different if there was no longer sex in the relationship and it HADN'T been caused by anything physical? Do you think your relationship could last if there was no physical cause and possibly caused by one partner just no longer wanting sex? How long do you think you could continue?
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As I've said I think I could live without the sex - but living without any intimacy is a very different thing all together.

i agree, there are times when i would much rather have a kiss and a cuddle than sex, snuggled up on a couch, having an excellent conversation good music in the background, cant be beat, IMO
That's so lovely! :rose:
I totally agree with you!
kiss
I don't know how I'd feel, never been in a sexless relationship.
I do think that if you love someone enough, you have to deal with it and make the best of what you have. And yes, I do realise that might be easier said than done.
I don't think sex is always necessary - intimacy can be achieved through cuddling and touching but without actual sex. If you're in a position where you don't even have to speak when you're with someone, I think that's really special. More than words.
I would find it very hard if I didn't have any intamacy. Missing the kisses, cuddles and closeness would be hard sad
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Hello,
i have been with my wife for 18 years we have two kids 4 years and a year and a half and that was the last time we had sex we get on se well have a laugh but there is no sex between us and i ask if would could go and see someone about it but she just laughed,
i was getting so grumpy over the bad tht when i did bump into a girl i ad not seen for years we ended up as sex buddies( after a year) we never talk i just go round and we have great sex,
and i know its having my cake and eat it ,
but my home life is fantastic now i do not want a divorse,
but if it had carried on the way it was thats what would of happened .
so now you can all throw eggs at me for being a bad man

No! not a bad man at all and in actual fact you would be amazed how many men would rlalte to your situation - me especially for one..
This thread has so hit the nail on the head if you compare my relationship as well as the ending of it.
Long term relationship - started off great, wonderful, varied and frequent sex life. 8 years down the road, mortgage, 2.3 children and the once a month Sunday morning shag just wasnt enough for me. Started getting to every 3/4 months and the doubts. arguments, grumpiness set in and then ultimatley me looking elsewhere and finding it.
Despite how much I loved and still do love her I dont think that (and Im not speaking for all men) that it would be possible to remain in a sexless relationship. Saying this every situation has its own special circumstances but picking up on what a few of the other people have said in any "loving" relationship sex is very important to maintain the bond/connection. If through medical conditions the actual act was impossible then it would take a very strong man to remain faithful to his wife/gf.
For me, well I know that I could not stay in a sexless realtionship. Been there done that and despite all my best efforts to spice things up and still getting rebuked there's only so much a man can take. The love is still there even though we are separted but the only thing that has changed is that the confirmation that we will never shag each other again.
Not sure if this rambling makes any sense (perhaps the whole situation is still a little fresh in my memory).,
it makes sense, and I have to say its refreshing to see some good discussion and honest answers :thumbup:
your post makes a lot of sense to me Robin hood, dont have the children but the rest is pretty spot on
Earthy x
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and I'm wondering if those who's parents relationships became celibate still 'work' because staying together is the 'done thing' with the older generation? wheras today with higher divorce rates/ single parent families etc its far more acceptable to split than it is to stay together, for whatever reason, including lack of sex dunno

For some reason my mom felt the need to be all girlie with me a few years back and tell me that her and my dad stopped having sex in 1990. Its wierd to think about when you watch them because he stills flirts with her ( slaps her ass etc ) and she still recipriocates. Yet it obviously works for them so who am I to question it.
Now as for myself. I think my views are much the same as most others. If it were "can't" due to illness/accident I would NEVER leave as I sure wouldn't want someone being that shallow with me. I would never go behind there back to get my release. Assuming they still have hands a nd a tongue then I will be fine ... and last but not least I always have the option of toys and my own damn hands!!
However if it was because of "won't" then I'd have to try and figure it out through heart to heart converstations and if the problem still could not be solved then I would seriously have to reconsider the future of the relationship.
This is moot though as I am damned single so am already at the toys and my own hands stage.
Shit, what happens when I want to quit having sex with myself?!?!?!? :shock:
well sex is just part of a relationship it can make a relationship and break them to it s about compatibility and also keeping things interesting in the bedroom helps act out those fantasies helps to with the way things are at the moment with so many marriages ending in devorce it makes you wonder wether free love is good idea or not but it has helped many poeple whats one mans poison is another ones medicine so veryone has to find there own way and what suits them good luck in your search happy swinging people biggrin
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well sex is just part of a relationship it can make a relationship and break them to it s about compatibility and also keeping things interesting in the bedroom helps act out those fantasies helps to with the way things are at the moment with so many marriages ending in devorce it makes you wonder wether free love is good idea or not but it has helped many poeple whats one mans poison is another ones medicine so veryone has to find there own way and what suits them good luck in your search happy swinging people biggrin

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I am not good at being brief at the best of times (redface), but I have experience that is so relevant to this thread I don't think I can ignore it - though it is going to be painful - so here goes:
I have been in a sexless marriage and, for me, it was the most miserable time I have ever experienced. We were happy and certainly loved each other. After just three years of marriage sex had already become very irregular (once or twice a year) and as someone who is very highly sexed that was a problem for me, but I put up with it. Despite sex being only an occasional 'treat' we managed to conceive a son (it is no coincidence that his birthday is exactly 9 months after mine! rolleyes). From that moment on sex stopped. No discussion, no explanation. It just stopped. :shock:
***edit - if you want to cut out the detailed history jump to '***' below, or read on - if you dare!
I put up with this reasonably well for the first four or five years (I can't believe it, but I did). My wife was a good mother so I suggested more children but the excuses she used started getting thinner and thinner. Meanwhile, my self esteem was nose diving and I was incredibly frustrated sexually. I was fantasising about almost every woman I met - or even saw. However it stopped at fantasising. I stayed for a number of reasons. I loved my wife; I didn't think that sex should be the be all and end all and she was a good mother to my son. Eventually, after nine years I decided to try and find 'no strings sex'. I joined a website (not this one, but something similar) and after a short while set up a meeting with someone that coincided with a business trip when I was away from home. I am not proud of it, but not ashamed either. I am simply being honest with you all. I made sure that she knew I was married but that the marriage had been sexless for years and I needed satisfaction but had no intention of leaving. She was single but didn't want a relationship. We had a great night together (just the one night). What I didn't know is that, for some years, my wife had been going through my wallet, diary, briefcase, mobile phone and anything else that would let her know whether I was 'seeking solace' elsewhere. Of course, she had not yet found anything because there was nothing to find. As I had made a note of this girl's contact details she found them, contacted her ("F**k off bitch and leave my husband alone!" were the exact words) and then went ballistic at me. I tried to calm her down and, although I couldn't condone what I had done, I tried to make her see that I was only human and that, unless we sorted out 'our problem', something was inevitable sooner or later.
Things went from bad to worse at home. She now made no attempt to conceal that she was checking up on me. Kept calling me a pervert and a sex maniac (in front of our son) and whenever she found a number in my mobile phone that she didn't recognise, instead of confronting me with it (there would have been a perfectly reasonable explanation), she would call the number and demand to know of whoever answered why their number was in her husband's phone! This included business colleagues, customers. You name it.
I knew all of this was to do with her insecurity ("I know you're not getting it at home so I intend to find out where you are getting it from.") and she was terrified I would leave her. If I spoke to anyone female - even at a party in a room full of people - there would be hell to pay when we got home. Eventually the attacks stopped being verbal and became physical. After another three years (twelve and a half in total by now) I said enough was enough and that we had to sort things out. After the "But I am your wife" lecture (which I thought was a bit of a cheek) she said that it was nothing to do with me personally, she just had no sexual desires and that, in any case, friensdship was more important than sex. Although she understood that I had needs she wasn't prepared to discuss it. I tried to put up with things again (simply because I loved her) but she still kept tabs on me and even began to taunt me with it. I felt incredibly unattractive and deeply unhappy. I decided to leave and started to look for new friends and (while we were still separating, I am afraid surprisedopssmile joined this site with a view to catching up on some sex (I figured I had a lot of catching up to do).
*** it's safe to read on from here lol
I found the attitudes on here so refreshing and started e-mailing people and then met someone - Sappho! :inlove: We hit it off straight away and she helped me enjoy sex again (after all that time I felt guilty and tried to please her without allowing her to please me :oops:). We now have one year old twins and another baby on the way. At the moment, I am in a sexless relationship again - but the circumstances are entirely different. Given my history, Sappho is worried about me 'going without' and has actively encouraged me to meet other people. So far I haven't because I know that this is a temporary situation. However, we HAVE discussed what would happen if our sex life stopped permanently and have agreed that we would not expect the other partner to be celibate. The most important thing is that we talk about it.
Is sex THAT important? Well, I have found that it is vital to wellbeing (for me at any rate). Somebody said about 'walking taller' and they are right. Somehow, it makes me feel whole. I hope that makes sense. If something happened to Sappho I would certainly stay with her as we are so compatible in every way, but I would not go through involuntary celibacy again - and neither would she expect me to. I feel just the same should the situation be reversed.
I have gone on for far too long (as usual) and given away more of myself than I would like (:oops:) but I thought that the background was relevant to the question. I still feel extremely guilty about leaving (I know, I know - but I do! :doh:). I am now extremely happy and well balanced thanks to the most wonderful woman I have ever met! (sorry to go all gooey). Sadly, I have not seen my son since I left as my ex-wife simply won't allow it - but I hope that will change one day.
One post script - our freinds said they didn't want to take sides and would stay in touch with us both, but separately. I thought this was exactly right. I knew that my ex-wife was very hurt by me leaving and I told everyone that she would need her friends. However, she made it clear that she would have nothing to do with anyone if they were going to keep in touch with me and even though they have tried to keep in touch with her she has refused to answer letters or phone calls and has even blanked them in the street if they bump into her!
well people do it for different reasons mainly to spice up a dying labido or marriage/relationship everyone has there own reasons but when it come down to illness i think that a tricky question if they discuss it with their partner maybe but that no excuse to cheat thou you have to find a happy medium swinging isnt for everyone question is it right for you food for thought smile
Rob, just for the thickies in here like me, could you maybe try to use some punctuation in your posts honey? Make it easier to understand?
Willxx69 -
you know I think that has to be one of the most awful relationship situations I have ever heard about. :sad:
Willxx69 passionkiss and sappho of course sillyassionkiss:
wow willxx what a fascinating post, thanks for sharing. I felt so sad for you, but happy too that you have found fulfillment now in all aspects of your life. It amazes me from talking to people how many are in sexless relationships. I was shocked the other day talking to a friend, mid 30's, incredibly handsome, and hasn't had a physical relationship with his wife for 7 years. I was gobsmacked. He's staying for the kids, which is admirable, but at the same time I felt he was sacrificing an essential part of his being...
Imho sex is an absolutely essential part of a relationship, and I mean 'sex' in the wider sense to include physical contact, cuddles, kisses, shows of affection etc. I would certainly not expect Mr Pink to go without should anything ever prevent me physically from doing it. Come to think of it if I found myself emotionally incapable of a sexual relationship I think that would be unfair on Mr Pink too. In either case I suspect I would actively encourage him to look elsewhere. I expect most people on this site are capable of separating 'sex' from 'love'!
Having said that I'm sure he won't mind me saying that the variety and frequency of our sexual relationship does go in cycles, usually dependent on my libido levels I have to admit - it's all bound up in my self-confidence etc - too deep to go into here! Suffice to say at times I want it every day, and at other times I start to think I could live without it all together. However, I'm talking about a matter of weeks rather than months or years. Yes of course friendship is important in a relationship and sex isn't the be all and end all, but to be consistently sexually rejected by your partner must be one of the most damaging things to the self esteem. If one partner is physically incapable of sex, then I totally admire and respect those that stay together in spite of this. However, on an emotional level I believe it is unacceptable to expect your partner to 'do without'.
Well that's my two penneth worth anyway. God hope Mr Pink doesn't ever go off it!
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I actually ran out of breath lol
Shaz x