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Sharia law. Sounds like a bloody good idea to me
Maybe the Archbishop of Canterbury worship might be interested in the sweet22 law.
Instead of people like us having to put up with Britain's hopeless dysfunctional criminal justice system, we can opt out and have our own law.
:shock: drinkies
What a brilliant idea! innocent
Every community should have the laws it wants rather than being bound by the nonsense served up by Wetminster. :sticky: :hunk:
The new 22 law, (wishful thinking) going for capital punishment, all prison sentences to be served in full, three strikes and you're out...
This could take awhile .. bolt
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Sharia law. Sounds like a bloody good idea to me
Maybe the Archbishop of Canterbury worship might be interested in the sweet22 law.
Instead of people like us having to put up with Britain's hopeless dysfunctional criminal justice system, we can opt out and have our own law.
:shock: drinkies
What a brilliant idea! innocent
Every community should have the laws it wants rather than being bound by the nonsense served up by Wetminster. :sticky: :hunk:
The new 22 law, (wishful thinking) going for capital punishment, all prison sentences to be served in full, three strikes and you're out...
This could take awhile .. bolt

what about corporal punishment???... this could be a better option for less serious crimes.
and im not into summary execution for offences other than murder...
oh.... and i prefer the 2 strike system we have already.....
A large percentage of the laws and policies in place today have been in place for along time and maybe it is time a change. More than one tenth of laws which were in place in the 1980's had been in effect since before Queen Victoria was on the throne and more than a third of our so called contempory laws/policies were on the statute book when she ended her reign.
I think we should forget all about legacy and inherited policies/laws and introduce a new regeime - the Swinging Heaven legislation!
- All cocks have to be tested for accuracy of direction (hate it when the sticky bit gets in your eyes)
- Kids are banned from any outdoor dogging area until they reach a sensible stage of maturity (around 25 plus)
- Sex is a mandatory past time and a supply of condoms are posted through your letter box each morning with your daily post delivery biggrin
I could go on, but think that is a good starting point and I am hereby volunteering to punish anyone who does not adhere to them :twisted:
If we were in any other country you abide by their laws!
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If we were in any other country you abide by their laws!
Princess, I wholeheartedly agree with you.
There is much in Sharia Law that I disagree with, and even more that I agree with, but which Sharia law are we talking about.
American law is based on British law, sometime it is unrecognisable. Sharia law is no more than law based on the Koran. Each state, each sect interpreted it differently. It is no more one law than all the countries that adopted British can be said to be one law. Once it was, now it is not.
So before anyone seeks to adopt a law make sure you know what the law is.
While I realise that this was started as a tongue-in-cheek thread, it has raised some interesting serious points - I'd like to add to them:
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So before anyone seeks to adopt a law make sure you know what the law is

T. Mann, I totally agree with you. And because I wasn't sure what it is, I looked it up - and reproduced it here for anyone else who is unsure:
Taken from the Telegraph online.
What is sharia law?
In a number of countries, sharia law is associated with draconian punishments for crimes such as theft, adultery or blasphemy, such as amputation of limbs, death by stoning or lashes. In Afghanistan, a student who downloaded a report on women's rights from the internet is facing the death penalty.
In Saudi Arabia, a women who was was recently found guilty of being in the company of strangers in private and was sentenced to be lashed, though she was subsequently pardoned.
Part of the controversy surrounding sharia arises because there have been centuries of dispute over how it should be interpreted and implemented.
For example, the Koran simply says that women should dress modestly, but it does not define what this means. Some cultures have interpreted this rigidly, insisting that women should cover themselves from head to toe in burkhas, while others only require head scarves.
Critics say that because the law is largely determined by men, women can find themselves disadvantaged in areas such as marriage, divorce and inheritance.

Personally, I'd rather stick with the laws we already have.
Alot of people are saying "what a good idea, it might solve the crime problem we have in this country".
The reason we have a crime problem is because the laws that we already have in place are not being used fully.
As for sharia law, lets say it is going to apply to muslim's only, how do we tell if someone's muslim?.
Watch how quickly someone becomes non muslim if sharia is applied to them!.
The whole things a complete joke and just another example of this country going down the pan.
When in rome..........
I think the point here might well be that mostly Sharia,English or other countries laws are in some ways antiquated? perhaps for the modern world we need a laws to cater for modern times?
This said, i would be a little worried if our laws suddenly were changed to some muslim or other faiths beliefs?
I think all this is just part of a much wider problem - a gradual breakdown of the traditional order of things without a replacement to maintain a sense of purpose and direction.
Plim sad
There was a bit on the radio today that was saying one muslim community had purchased a property & were already taking family problems there for judgment.
I think the comment from the AofC was a classic misdirect. I suspect that its an attempt to suggest that if its okay for community to have a set of rules and laws which can ignore the national laws thenit will be acceptable and okay to allow the CofE to have laws and rules which are not governed by the UK Govt.
The CofE just had to pay a very large bill to a Gay worker because it blocked his employment. If the CofE can convince the UK that Sharia law is in practice then it can begin to argue that its allowed to ignore employment law.
Just one idea more thought to the pile of ideas.
The new 22 Law ! :shock: Bloody hell what a frightening scenario rotflmao Love it biggrin
However I do think that though there are lots of outdated laws and stuff abou. The thousand years of history behind British Law probably give it credence in my book. Never can something be perfect surely, something somewhere will always challenge that i'm sure.
I do agree with plymboy though that it seems that there is a loss of purpose and direction possibly. Maybe this is to do with the reduction in the importance of the church and its role in society with its doctrines on morality etc dunno Worth a thought.
However I cannot see that the world was any more lawful 200 years ago than it is now lol
I for one don't believe in capital punishment being an answer. I know emotive issues can be brought to bare and no doubt if i was a victim of one of these issues then i may feel differently. Thats why im my mind we have a law that is set apart and makes judgements, maybe dispassionately.
As for what you post sword-stileto thats a bit worrying isn't it? Me thinking as a conventional British non-muslim non-religeous westernised bloke. Altogether i think i hold with what cherrytree says. I'd rather stick with the laws we already have.
Couple Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject
I think we should forget all about legacy and inherited policies/laws and introduce a new regeime - the Swinging Heaven legislation!
- All cocks have to be tested for accuracy of direction (hate it when the sticky bit gets in your eyes)
- Kids are banned from any outdoor dogging area until they reach a sensible stage of maturity (around 25 plus)
- Sex is a mandatory past time and a supply of condoms are posted through your letter box each morning with your daily post delivery
I could go on, but think that is a good starting point and I am hereby volunteering to punish anyone who does not adhere to them

cool naughty wigan couple u are hired to the sweet22 goverment please take a seat wink
Sarah Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject:
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If we were in any other country you abide by their laws!
yes but u are a uk residence, so do as the advert says by the foreign office, but dont expect the same in the do gooders society of the uk pc brigade banghead :banghead:
Cherrytree Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject:
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While I realise that this was started as a tongue-in-cheek thread, it has raised some interesting serious points - I'd like to add to them:
wrote:
So before anyone seeks to adopt a law make sure you know what the law is
T. Mann, I totally agree with you. And because I wasn't sure what it is, I looked it up - and reproduced it here for anyone else who is unsure:
Taken from the Telegraph online.
What is sharia law?
In a number of countries, sharia law is associated with draconian punishments for crimes such as theft, adultery or blasphemy, such as amputation of limbs, death by stoning or lashes. In Afghanistan, a student who downloaded a report on women's rights from the internet is facing the death penalty.
which ever works best for the community on a whole would be my opinion cherrytree:eeek: bolt
browning Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject:
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Alot of people are saying "what a good idea, it might solve the crime problem we have in this country".
The reason we have a crime problem is because the laws that we already have in place are not being used fully.
like your thinking browning your are hired as my judical counsellor
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cool naughty wigan couple u are hired to the sweet22 goverment please take a seat wink

Brilliant, when can I start lol
On a serious note, the Today Programme on Radio 4 had a really good discussion about this the other day, and it is worth checking out their forum.

Also, the BBC News page gives a good overview of the speach and the potential impact of (legally) introducing this.

Interesting reading (says the one is purposely not getting into the debate) :wink:
Quote by sword-stileto
There was a bit on the radio today that was saying one muslim community had purchased a property & were already taking family problems there for judgment.
Many take family problems to outsides for help. That help takes different forms, so long as this is not forced on anyone what is the harm?
In sweet22 law,
can you add FLOGGING as a punishment.
And PUT ME FIRST lol :P :twisted:
The laws in any society all rely on one thing. The fact that the majority of the people are happy to abide by them. It is not possible for a police force to enforce a law without the consent of the people.
The problem with our society is not the law, it is not the police force. It is the people who live in this country.
There is a general acceptance that some laws don't apply. (speeding, driving using a mobile) Once you accept the idea that not all laws apply to you then you begin the slippery slope to anarchy.
So to sum up.
I blame you, yes you sitting there reading this. You believe that not all laws apply to you and should hand yourself into the police immediately for the good of society.
Quote by browning
Alot of people are saying "what a good idea, it might solve the crime problem we have in this country".
The reason we have a crime problem is because the laws that we already have in place are not being used fully.
As for sharia law, lets say it is going to apply to muslim's only, how do we tell if someone's muslim?.
Watch how quickly someone becomes non muslim if sharia is applied to them!.
The whole things a complete joke and just another example of this country going down the pan.
When in rome..........

Going down the pan? Already got there I think.
There has been discussions over the last few days of Muslims being able to have more than 1 wife, and then for the British taxpayer to pay all of them benefits ffs. For you and me to commit biggamy it carries a possible 7 year jail term. :shock:
The laws of this land should be applied to EVERYONE, without exception. As the Prime Minister of Australia said recently " if you don't like the laws of this land, then leave ". A fair point I thought.
Lost Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:42 am Post subject:
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The new 22 Law ! Bloody hell what a frightening scenario Love it
grrr naughty chair for u mr L flipa whip
salncol Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:40 am Post subject:
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In sweet22 law,
can you add FLOGGING as a punishment.
And PUT ME FIRST lol
smackbottom second thoughts u will like that :doh:
innocent
keeno Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:39 am Post subject:
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The laws in any society all rely on one thing. The fact that the majority of the people are happy to abide by them. It is not possible for a police force to enforce a law without the consent of the people.
I blame you, yes you sitting there reading this. You believe that not all laws apply to you and should hand yourself into the police immediately for the good of society.
:shock: letting them all out now because they haven't got enough cells for them, let alone all us big time gangsters :arrow: :mrgreen:
Quote by keeno
The laws in any society all rely on one thing. The fact that the majority of the people are happy to abide by them. It is not possible for a police force to enforce a law without the consent of the people.
The problem with our society is not the law, it is not the police force. It is the people who live in this country.
There is a general acceptance that some laws don't apply. (speeding, driving using a mobile) Once you accept the idea that not all laws apply to you then you begin the slippery slope to anarchy.
So to sum up.
I blame you, yes you sitting there reading this. You believe that not all laws apply to you and should hand yourself into the police immediately for the good of society.
Here I disagree, laws can be enforced, regardless of anyone's wishes. All you need is a large Police force, deep pockets and harsh punishments. Which means that if all laws apply to everyone someone will eventual stand up and pull them down. Yes that will be a slippery slope, but sometimes it is worth it. Ask Doctor King, perhaps not, he was shoot for standing against the law.
reading this has me thinking can we go dogging in saudi or bare shouldered in a mosque so why can they have their laws here, ok i sound harsh but Mr works in saudi now and then and was there when the lass was in a car with a man not of her family they were seen by a group of men and he ran off and she was gang they were punished then she was given 6 months or 200 lashes 1 for being in a car with a male alone and 2 putting her family to shame seems the king of saudi stepped in and saved her the lashes,
This is the same country that has just allowed women to work in shops to sell undies and girly things to women #
Thank god for European rules bad as they can be
rant over
lusty
Is it me or is it kind of amusing that members of a Swinging Community want strict religous rules. Lets see
Swinging = sex outside of wedlock. Threesomes moresomes, sex just for the pleasure of sex rather than to produce children.
Religous views = sex is a sin, sex only for procreation, sex with only one partner(your husband or wife) no sex outside of the marital bed.
Hmmmmmm I'm getting mixed messages from the people posting here.
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Hmmmmmm I'm getting mixed messages from the people posting here.

And you're surprised because...?
I suppose its a lot to expect that people might actually think aboutthings before posting. Some do I know. Just hoing that people would look beyond the ends of their noses and think about the consequences of the views they voice.
Imo the Archbishop of Canterbury is a clever man. The Sharia laws that he proposes to be adopted in the UK are those that are specific to the muslim people, such as non-observance of the Haj etc. Many, many muslims come here from other countries to escape their overt religious persecution. Making things as tough here as they are in their own crappy country of birth under Sharia law will hopefully have the effect of putting off more of them from coming here. I think that this is what the A of C is angling for. Well played sir!
SlurpySarah xx
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Imo the Archbishop of Canterbury is a clever man. The Sharia laws that he proposes to be adopted in the UK are those that are specific to the muslim people, such as non-observance of the Haj etc. Many, many muslims come here from other countries to escape their overt religious persecution. Making things as tough here as they are in their own crappy country of birth under Sharia law will hopefully have the effect of putting off more of them from coming here. I think that this is what the A of C is angling for. Well played sir!
SlurpySarah xx

why shouldn`t a muslim be free to ignore the haj if he wants? why should anyone in this country have to observe laws that dont apply to all?
the word law implies penalties of some kind,and even if they`re only watered down versions of what happens in many muslim communities it`s still the thin end of a very dangerous wedge.
thankfully our government are getting it right for once and having none of this deluded nonsense
Quote by keeno
Is it me or is it kind of amusing that members of a Swinging Community want strict religous rules. Lets see
Swinging = sex outside of wedlock. Threesomes moresomes, sex just for the pleasure of sex rather than to produce children.
Religous views = sex is a sin, sex only for procreation, sex with only one partner(your husband or wife) no sex outside of the marital bed.
Hmmmmmm I'm getting mixed messages from the people posting here.

No, you are not the only one.
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....the word law implies penalties of some kind,and even if they`re only watered down versions of what happens in many muslim communities it`s still the thin end of a very dangerous wedge.
thankfully our government are getting it right for once and having none of this deluded nonsense

Actually the word law implies custom of a people, what is permitted and what is done if custom is not followed. 'Law' has only been imposed by central government lately. The meaning of the word law to today is best expressed as common law. Imposed law in revolutionary France was termed 'codification'. Here it is an Act of Parliament, sign by the Queen. Either way Punishment is stipulated rather than using the principle, 'what happened last time'.
laws imply custom? when was it customary to go outside a public building to smoke,or to wear a helmet to ride a motorcycle?
laws impose the will of the lawmakers,whether elected or religious,to control the population.
do you think the romans didn`t impose laws on countries they conquered? would those laws have much to do with local customs, or more to do with taxes and control?
in countries where sharia law applies,interpretation is at the whim of whoever is the top honcho in that region rather than by any democratic means.
christian society was similar till a couple of hundred years ago,luckily for us civil law supercedes religious, would anyone really like to go back to
torture and burning for religious dissent?dont forget our christian church didn`t give up their
power voluntarily, it was imposed on them (by law,not custom) it would be such a retrogade step to allow a new set of theist laws sneak into our lives by the backdoor
Quote by keeno
I suppose its a lot to expect that people might actually think aboutthings before posting. Some do I know. Just hoing that people would look beyond the ends of their noses and think about the consequences of the views they voice.

Care to explain? :shock:
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do you think the romans didn`t impose laws on countries they conquered? would those laws have much to do with local customs, or more to do with taxes and control?....
On the whole, yes Rome let the locals get on with there own thing. Stonings never stopped in Jewish lands when Rome conquered them. It was only when Roman authority was endangered that Rome acted. Local town council ruled under the 'guidance' of a governor.
Roman rule was a bit like the relationship between Britain and it's dependencies. Each dependency gets on with it's own thing but;
if Argentina invades Britain defends
if Pitkin goes in for under age sex...
...but yes you are right Roman did want it's taxes.