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Should smacking children be banned?
Quote by Cherrytree
Should it be banned?
Yes 100%. I think it is abuse.
I think that just as corporal punishment has been outlawed in schools, in years to come, it will be outlawed everywhere else. I think it is barbaric.
I have no children, so you may think I might hold a different opinion if I did. I'm open to that possibility.
Maybe I would feel differently if my childhood had been different.
100% abuse????? Barbaric??? Can give you libertys addy if you like! Heard it all now. :shock:
Are you really saying to smack a child on the legs is " 1 savagely cruel. 2 primitive; unsophisticated."?. Because that is what barbaric means. Just cannot understand how people can take it so much out of context!!
It's a well established precept in psychology that a child will continue to test their boundaries to satisfy their sense of safety and emotional comfort.
They all get to a stage in that boundary-pushing where they realise that words are no longer a threat, which is where a well placed (and controlled) smack can restore the status quo.
You only need to smack a child once to make the future threat of one a reality. I have four kids. I've smacked them all at some point in their formative years, and they've all grown into well adjusted, happy and respectful adolescents/adults.
In short.... I don't believe smacking should be banned. But if they do, I'm just glad it'll be done after I've finished my child raising! ;-)
They all get to a stage in that boundary-pushing where they realise that words are no longer a threat, which is where a well placed (and controlled) smack can restore the status quo.
You only need to smack a child once to make the future threat of one a reality. I have four kids. I've smacked them all at some point in their formative years, and they've all grown into well adjusted, happy and respectful adolescents/adults.
In short.... I don't believe smacking should be banned. But if they do, I'm just glad it'll be done after I've finished my child raising! ;-)
Quote by kentswingers777
Should it be banned?
Yes 100%. I think it is abuse.
I think that just as corporal punishment has been outlawed in schools, in years to come, it will be outlawed everywhere else. I think it is barbaric.
I have no children, so you may think I might hold a different opinion if I did. I'm open to that possibility.
Maybe I would feel differently if my childhood had been different.
100% abuse????? Barbaric??? Can give you libertys addy if you like! Heard it all now. :shock:
Are you really saying to smack a child on the legs is " 1 savagely cruel. 2 primitive; unsophisticated."?. Because that is what barbaric means. Just cannot understand how people can take it so much out of context!!
Cherry has her personal reasons for thinking the way she does Kent, as do you. Please respect that. It's all about PERSONAL feelings in this forum.
That's twice today I've seen you personally attack someone and their thoughts, please think twice before making it a third?
Sexpert
yes duncan i agree, amm packing me bags and goin to join the taleban
Quote by jaymar
Should it be banned?
Yes 100%. I think it is abuse.
I think that just as corporal punishment has been outlawed in schools, in years to come, it will be outlawed everywhere else. I think it is barbaric.
I have no children, so you may think I might hold a different opinion if I did. I'm open to that possibility.
Maybe I would feel differently if my childhood had been different.
100% abuse????? Barbaric??? Can give you libertys addy if you like! Heard it all now. :shock:
Are you really saying to smack a child on the legs is " 1 savagely cruel. 2 primitive; unsophisticated."?. Because that is what barbaric means. Just cannot understand how people can take it so much out of context!!
Cherry has her personal reasons for thinking the way she does Kent, as do you. Please respect that. It's all about PERSONAL feelings in this forum.
That's twice today I've seen you personally attack someone and their thoughts, please think twice before making it a third?
Then I appologise if that is the case. xx
Quote by kentswingers777
Should it be banned?
Yes 100%. I think it is abuse.
I think that just as corporal punishment has been outlawed in schools, in years to come, it will be outlawed everywhere else. I think it is barbaric.
I have no children, so you may think I might hold a different opinion if I did. I'm open to that possibility.
Maybe I would feel differently if my childhood had been different.
100% abuse????? Barbaric??? Can give you libertys addy if you like! Heard it all now. :shock:
Are you really saying to smack a child on the legs is " 1 savagely cruel. 2 primitive; unsophisticated."?. Because that is what barbaric means. Just cannot understand how people can take it so much out of context!!
Cherry has her personal reasons for thinking the way she does Kent, as do you. Please respect that. It's all about PERSONAL feelings in this forum.
That's twice today I've seen you personally attack someone and their thoughts, please think twice before making it a third?
Then I appologise if that is the case. xx
I respect that.
Quote by Cherrytree
Should it be banned?
Yes 100%. I think it is abuse.
I think that just as corporal punishment has been outlawed in schools, in years to come, it will be outlawed everywhere else. I think it is barbaric.
I have no children, so you may think I might hold a different opinion if I did. I'm open to that possibility.
Maybe I would feel differently if my childhood had been different.
I appologise for my remarks...was out of order.
I sometimes get a bit carried away, but will refrain from posting in the forums in the future.
Once again I appologise xx
I am not sure that anyone asked you to stop posting in the forums kent. Perhaps just to curb your 'enthusiasm' and consider how you phrase things.
Just as you are entitled to your opinion, others are too. If you make your comments general and about the issue rather than denigrating someone personally, you are on safe ground.
Debate is always interesting.
Just as you are entitled to your opinion, others are too. If you make your comments general and about the issue rather than denigrating someone personally, you are on safe ground.
Debate is always interesting.
Sex God
adults do wrong, they commit unspeakable crimes, and yet we do not physically hurt them ( and rightly so in my opinion). why do we think it is acceptable to physically hurt children for doing wrong then?
if my daughter is cheeky to me i can hit her, but if my husband is cheeky to me and i hit him, it would be classed as domestic abuse. why does my husband have more right to protection from violence than my daughter has?
if my daughter is cheeky to me i can hit her, but if my husband is cheeky to me and i hit him, it would be classed as domestic abuse. why does my husband have more right to protection from violence than my daughter has?
Quote by well_busty_babe
adults do wrong, they commit unspeakable crimes, and yet we do not physically hurt them ( and rightly so in my opinion). why do we think it is acceptable to physically hurt children for doing wrong then?
if my daughter is cheeky to me i can hit her, but if my husband is cheeky to me and i hit him, it would be classed as domestic abuse. why does my husband have more right to protection from violence than my daughter has?
I have never really thought about it from this point of view. When you look at it like this it doesn`t make sense that we can leagally hit a child.
Quote by kentswingers777
100% abuse????? Barbaric??? Can give you libertys addy if you like! Heard it all now. :shock:
Are you really saying to smack a child on the legs is " 1 savagely cruel. 2 primitive; unsophisticated."?. Because that is what barbaric means. Just cannot understand how people can take it so much out of context!!
Yes I think it is all those things. I don't understand why you do not think so. However, I defend to the hilt your right to your opinion, just as I'm entitled to mine.
Please don't stop posting, by the way, I've said before and I'll say it again, you help make the forum more interesting.
I think it is wrong to "hit/smack/slap" an Adult or a Child........ but especially a child!
I have 2 x 16 year old boys and have NEVER slapped/smacked/hit/assaulted them in any way........ I have stopped them from going out or using their PS2 or PS3. I have grounded them......... When they were little I made them sit on the naughty step.
I believe you get back what you give out ........ so you give out violence....... you get back violence..... you can't control your temper ........ why be surprised when your child can't control their temper?
In my opinion abuse is abuse and hitting someone smaller and younger than you can NEVER be the right thing to do!
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I have 2 x 16 year old boys and have NEVER slapped/smacked/hit/assaulted them in any way........ I have stopped them from going out or using their PS2 or PS3. I have grounded them......... When they were little I made them sit on the naughty step.
I believe you get back what you give out ........ so you give out violence....... you get back violence..... you can't control your temper ........ why be surprised when your child can't control their temper?
In my opinion abuse is abuse and hitting someone smaller and younger than you can NEVER be the right thing to do!
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I got a smack when I was younger and it didn't do me any harm.
Thats the line everyone comes out with, however, in my case it's true.
If you tell a 2 yr old not to go near an electric socket they won't understand, but a small slap on the legs to shock them will make them understand.
As children get older I feel there are better ways of punishing them than slapping.
I got caught shoplifting when I was 13, what did my dad do?, stopped me going to army cadets and took all my army gear off me, I would have much rather been slapped!.
We all think we are good parents, but there is no instruction manual with kids and you have to do what works for you.
Thats the line everyone comes out with, however, in my case it's true.
If you tell a 2 yr old not to go near an electric socket they won't understand, but a small slap on the legs to shock them will make them understand.
As children get older I feel there are better ways of punishing them than slapping.
I got caught shoplifting when I was 13, what did my dad do?, stopped me going to army cadets and took all my army gear off me, I would have much rather been slapped!.
We all think we are good parents, but there is no instruction manual with kids and you have to do what works for you.
I do love the line to justify smacking ' it never did me any harm' ... it clearly did though :- 'you' think that it is acceptable to smack someone smaller, weaker, less educated, less experienced and someone for whom 'you' have responsibility.
I think it must have therefore caused a great deal of harm.
I think it must have therefore caused a great deal of harm.
I feel that this question has got people a little heated, I like to read different peoples opinions. And although I might not agree with some I still value their opinion so thank you.
When I posted this thread I asked about a smack on the hand or leg. I see hitting and a smack as two different things am I wrong here?
I would never beat my children and would like to see a law passed to protect children. But feel it would be the likes of me that would be caught and punished and not the children that need protecting.
When I posted this thread I asked about a smack on the hand or leg. I see hitting and a smack as two different things am I wrong here?
I would never beat my children and would like to see a law passed to protect children. But feel it would be the likes of me that would be caught and punished and not the children that need protecting.
Quote by browning
But is it child abuse?
YES IT IS!
You hit a 2 year old because they walk towards a plug socket??????
A fair fight is a fair fight but this isn't supposed to be a fight . you are supposed to protect and teach your child .......... since when is it fair to hit a child? Can they hit you back with the same force? Would they even think about hitting you back?
FGS ........ I need to step out of the thread, because I can't believe anyone with an ounce of intelligence can think that hitting someone so small can be justified in any way, shape or form!
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Quote by blonde
......... you have to do what works for you.
So it's OK to abuse a child if it works for you?
That's OK then!
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Abuse is such a strong word to use I feel, as its meaning is use improperly or to excess, treat with cruelty or violence, especially assault sexually, speak to in an insulting and offensive way. I was saying a smack on the leg or hand. would you see this as abuse?
This will come out all wrong but I'll try and put down whats in my head.
Not every smacked child has grown up to be a violent person. Not every child who has never had a smack grown up to be a non-violent person.
Because all humans are different they will react to different treatments. So perhaps the violent people who never had been smacked should have had one and they may not have been the violent person of today. And the oppsite is that perhaps the violent person who had been smacked should have been disciplined verbally.
Hindsight is fantastic and each and every person will have their own opinion on this subject.
But at the time, each parent had to make thta call on how they would deal with the discipline at that time
Dave_Notts
Not every smacked child has grown up to be a violent person. Not every child who has never had a smack grown up to be a non-violent person.
Because all humans are different they will react to different treatments. So perhaps the violent people who never had been smacked should have had one and they may not have been the violent person of today. And the oppsite is that perhaps the violent person who had been smacked should have been disciplined verbally.
Hindsight is fantastic and each and every person will have their own opinion on this subject.
But at the time, each parent had to make thta call on how they would deal with the discipline at that time
Dave_Notts
Quote by browning
Blonde, I never said that I HIT a child because they walk to a plug socket. And there lies the problem, there is a difference between hitting and slapping.
You feel strongly about your opinions and I feel strongly about mine, who's right?, god knows.
I dont care if you hit. slapped, spanked, whacked, punched or knocked out a child .........in my wolrd you cant catagorise abuse into bad abuse and good abuse............ there is NO DIFFERENCE between hitting and slapping!!!
Going Going Gone!
Quote by Cherrytree
Would it be abuse if someone did it to an adult?
Yes I see it as abuse.
If the adult is walking into a dangerous situation and there is no other way to stop them then no it is not abuse or assault i.e. going to touch an uncovered plug as above. A slap on the hand to stop it happening is a good thing in my mind whether adult or child.
But if it was classed as assault then a paerson would have to fry. Different situations call for different remedies
Dave_Notts
