they can have all the kids they want, they just shouldn't expect the rest of us to pay for anything relating to them
Me!
i have no problem with helping those who can't provide for themselves through illness or old age, what pisses me off is the long term leeches that try and bleed the system dry cos 'they have the right to.........'
Well it could be looked at that it is per year that could be going towards treating women who live in the wrong PCT catchment area to be treated with certain breast cancer drugs. But then the innocent suffer - the 15 children.
Freedom of choice, interesting one. Their choice was to put themselves in a situation where they are completely reliant on the support of others and to only provide the most basic of living standards for their children. However, they could only make that choice because a support system was there.
I am a female who has had 4 kids and have always worked or had grants when I was a student so have not had state support (except grants) since I was 16.
Do I think I did it the right way? - actually NO.
I think that my children would have benefitted more from having my time not my money and I actually believe that we create the society we deserve by raising expectations that we can work, have children and contribute the the wealth of the state and create the next generation all at once.
Yes I think 15 children is extreme but as many couples are now moving away from having children then I am not going to be worried about the odd family who do this.
Lets not kid ourselves that we are a perfect world by any means and many people not working these days have so many other issues to deal with i would not want to trade places with them at all.
We need to have children and that should be something that is part of what we expect to pay for even if we choose not to have them ourselves.
This is just a personal opinion of a woman who has held down at one time 4 jobs + lodgers to give her kids the best. She forgot as she said earlier was all they really wanted was her time...................................... oh by the way they are nice kids lol
Haven't read the whole thread 'cos these things really annoy me. The sad fact is that there'll be fifteen kids growing up with an outlook on life that will lead them to sire as many kids as they can to be just like mum and dad :cry:
thats a very good point about unrealistic expectations corrie fem. i agree time is more importent than money. i think the role of a father is undervalued to nowadays.
Well not sure that the norm Polo Lady is 6 or more? Average age of man marrying now is 38, more couples are not starting having families until their 30's so big families are on the decline. Often children who come from large families go on to have no children rather than continue large families into the next generation. I know in some pockets of the UK these stats would not stack up but they do as national stats.
It would also be wrong to believe that kids from large families suffer from neglect or deprevation because child abuse can stem from families of any size, culture and wealth.
I dont like 'scroungers' of any form but I also remind myself that the tax system allows more corruption than any money that is mis used by families claiming off the state but is it somehow more acceptable to be a tax dodger ???????
None of these comments are directed at your posts on here Polo Lady they are general comments which express my beliefs.
I like the fact you have started an emotive discussion - just hope it does not get locked as a thread that becomes too heated !!!!!!!!!!!
There is no way on this blue earth that anyone should be allowed to abuse a system meant to help the GENUINE poorer sectors of our society.
15 kids is taking the piss........they should be made to support them thereselves , if it is possible that he could get a job paying 75k
Well don't lets get started but I recon the Mods in here could sort it lol...
What do we do is another question, maybe just maybe all the kids might get jobs and pay something back! Well its a thought lol, not a hope in reality i'm sure but thats what government would want us to believe..
Mike x
i think one of the reasons couples that are working are not having large families is that they can not afford it. they can not afford to buy a bigger house etc.
maybe the fact that children from large families go on to have no children could be seen that they hated living as part of a large family and chose not to put someone else through that.???
im sure there are pros and cons to all sides but ....
end of the day the real question that was asked here is should people be able to have 15 kids and expect the state to support them??
i work in housing and see so many people who live in social housing go on to plan to have more children and expect it as a right that they get re housed in a bigger house, even kick off when little tommy reaches 10 and has to share with little annie, they demand more bedrooms again.
im sure there are people with motgages who would love to have this right. but they cann not afford to.
im not saying i contribute to myself only, i am not that neive, but by the same token i do not expect to sit around and demand life owes me.
some people are just takers
xx lou xxx
WTF planet are you on? how were you paying for my £50 per week when i was paying £hundreds into it before and after, you should go into politics as you obviously have a talent for not answering the part of a question or statement that doesn't suit you current train of thought
coz you are so out of order :fuckinghell: 
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