The Prime Minister is still in favour of a 'presumed consent plan' if a new awareness campaign Failed to get more people signing up to organ donation.
I myself believe in organ donation and would want whatever can be used to be use after I have gone.
But this is something I have decided to do and join up to. But I do believe there could be issues related to the opt out scheme.
Would care for people that are ill still be paramount to that person?
Would all babies born be automatically on the scheme?
Would this be removing choice, as I feel to agree to something isnt the same and having to opt out.
What are others view?
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Should there be an opting out scheme?
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Sexlightened
i believe in the opt owt way to do the organ donar replenishment .. but as far as babies go i would say wait till they 18 before they can opt out and till then its a choice for the 'parent' legal guardian.
there is still a choice to opt out if you dont believe in it for whatever reason be it religious or you just dont want to me cut up after you are gone.
there is still a choice to opt out if you dont believe in it for whatever reason be it religious or you just dont want to me cut up after you are gone.
I've been on the organ donor list for many years and carry the card. I have a friend who's daughter is waiting for a transplant so it's kind of personal for me too.
However I do think the Opt Out scheme is a bad idea. Yes it would allow access to more organs for transplant but I don't like the freedom of choice to be taken away from anyone. Organ donation is a private and personal choice and should be respected as such. Everyone has their reasons for saying no just as they do for saying yes.
However I do think the Opt Out scheme is a bad idea. Yes it would allow access to more organs for transplant but I don't like the freedom of choice to be taken away from anyone. Organ donation is a private and personal choice and should be respected as such. Everyone has their reasons for saying no just as they do for saying yes.
Interestingly the end of the piece I saw on brekkie news today seemed to be saying the organ donation organisations are against an opt-out scheme. They think it might make people anti-donation because of a perception of life-saving treatment being withheld if they have a good set of organs.
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It should be down to the individual to volunteer, not have the government make you
Dave_Notts
The government aren't making anybody do anything, if you don't want to donate organs...then opt out.
They are making me have to opt out. I shouldn't have to opt out of anything, if people want something off me then they either ask or they persuade me why I should. That includes my organs or a pound for charity on the street.
Dave_Notts
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Interestingly the end of the piece I saw on brekkie news today seemed to be saying the organ donation organisations are against an opt-out scheme. They think it might make people anti-donation because of a perception of life-saving treatment being withheld if they have a good set of organs.
It said the same thing in this articule to!
Sex God
What i think would be more effective in getting people to donate is to introduce a system where people on the register (and thats on the register prior to finding out you need a transplant) are given priority over available organs. If you're prepared to benefit from someone elses death then you should be willing to give back the same
Sex God
They don't want my blood when I attempt to donate that cause I've shagged a bisexual man. I'd imagine they'd have issues with my organs. 
I am registered for organ donation though... so an opt out system is their choice not mine!
I am registered for organ donation though... so an opt out system is their choice not mine!
Sex God
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They don't want my blood when I attempt to donate that cause I've shagged a bisexual man. I'd imagine they'd have issues with my organs.
You have very nice organs, can i have em instead?
Sex God
This is going to be a bit raw for me... and i'll explain why....
Over the weekend...... a work collegue of mine, her son was in a car crash......
and at this afternoon...... he died....
so our office has been stunned all afternoon....
and this very topic came up.....
if by people having to opt out... rather than opting in and it saves just one more life, then that is good enough for me.......
if it was a someone close to you in that situation, I know it is emotive, but what would you want someone else to do.....
Tomorrow morning, I am going to get a donor card....
Over the weekend...... a work collegue of mine, her son was in a car crash......
and at this afternoon...... he died....
so our office has been stunned all afternoon....
and this very topic came up.....
if by people having to opt out... rather than opting in and it saves just one more life, then that is good enough for me.......
if it was a someone close to you in that situation, I know it is emotive, but what would you want someone else to do.....
Tomorrow morning, I am going to get a donor card....
Sex God
Here you are Fab, you don't actually need a card :thumbup:
Just remember to tell family that this is what you want to do if the worst happens
Just remember to tell family that this is what you want to do if the worst happens
what worries me about any scheme is its open to what i mean by that is all that information about people who register is on a database which as we know can end up being left on a train or used by id thieves.
But on the other hand people who do donate are beautiful people in my decision to give someone help and another chance is of my friends have benefitted from some at a minutes notice.
I know for some religions (and this is not my strong point) you cannot donate or except blood from a foreign body (is this right, unsure) and for them to have someone they love in need the religion against heart must be overwhelming and something i would find hard to face.
Should we opt out?
I honestly do not most people i think it should be a private choice what you something you should be told to do.
I am not a parent but for a family who have someone very ill it must be just with that affects all of the how do parents make the decision for the children.
Is it a thing we all do as a unit, a family or something the parents do but not the kids.
I just don't know.
But on the other hand people who do donate are beautiful people in my decision to give someone help and another chance is of my friends have benefitted from some at a minutes notice.
I know for some religions (and this is not my strong point) you cannot donate or except blood from a foreign body (is this right, unsure) and for them to have someone they love in need the religion against heart must be overwhelming and something i would find hard to face.
Should we opt out?
I honestly do not most people i think it should be a private choice what you something you should be told to do.
I am not a parent but for a family who have someone very ill it must be just with that affects all of the how do parents make the decision for the children.
Is it a thing we all do as a unit, a family or something the parents do but not the kids.
I just don't know.
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What i think would be more effective in getting people to donate is to introduce a system where people on the register (and thats on the register prior to finding out you need a transplant) are given priority over available organs. If you're prepared to benefit from someone elses death then you should be willing to give back the same
Aye, an eye fer an eye, a toof fer a toof...
Sexlightened
I think it should be down to personal choice however myself, my 9 year old and 4 year old are all down as organ donors and all our family are aware of this just in case the worst did happen.
Sex God
I'm more than happy for my organs to be donated and my family know that. the only thing I won't give is my eyes...the reason behind that is a long story. But there again, as DG said (although different circumstances) I'm not allowed to give blood.
you only got to look to see the advances in body parts like arms and a guy was on the news because he had a arm fully re-attached after losing it.
It may take him years to get back feeling and may never get full use of it but it shows you just how much surgeons and doctors have learnt.
I dont know about kidneys and hearts transplants but im sure medicine and technology has improved peoples chases of survival and not rejection.
and that has to be a good thing.
It may take him years to get back feeling and may never get full use of it but it shows you just how much surgeons and doctors have learnt.
I dont know about kidneys and hearts transplants but im sure medicine and technology has improved peoples chases of survival and not rejection.
and that has to be a good thing.
A subject close to my heart again!
The DoH Donation Task Force have made the recommendation not to support an Opt Out system for many reasons. But one is that if people are put in a position to have to make a decision, they may take the easy option and that is to say "no" to donation. As a society the British are not very good at even talking about death and it is one of the only things we can be sure of happening to all of us at some time. When they introduced an Opt out system in some US states the number that chose to opt out was greater than those that had opted in before the change!The system we have would be more effective with proper resourcing and publicity.
The age for consent in children for donation is 16 unless the child is deemed "Gillick competant", and totally understands what is involved, however the law says that the adult with responsibilty for the child should be consulted at all times.
You cannot give blood if you have "shagged a bisexual man", or are a homosexual man amongst others! but you can donate organs. You also would not be able to donate tissues such as eyes for corneal transplants. This is because blood carrys a very high chance of transmitting previous infection, and tissue transplants such as corneas are "life-enhancing" not "life-saving" so they can take a little more of a risk (but i dont like that word). Someone who is dying from liver disease may be willing to take the slight risk of developing a transmissable disease if the only other option is death. Also the treatment for diseases such as HIV is so successful now.
I will get off my soap box but do have a lot of knowledge of this subject and will very happily answer any pms.
Flirty xxx
The DoH Donation Task Force have made the recommendation not to support an Opt Out system for many reasons. But one is that if people are put in a position to have to make a decision, they may take the easy option and that is to say "no" to donation. As a society the British are not very good at even talking about death and it is one of the only things we can be sure of happening to all of us at some time. When they introduced an Opt out system in some US states the number that chose to opt out was greater than those that had opted in before the change!The system we have would be more effective with proper resourcing and publicity.
The age for consent in children for donation is 16 unless the child is deemed "Gillick competant", and totally understands what is involved, however the law says that the adult with responsibilty for the child should be consulted at all times.
You cannot give blood if you have "shagged a bisexual man", or are a homosexual man amongst others! but you can donate organs. You also would not be able to donate tissues such as eyes for corneal transplants. This is because blood carrys a very high chance of transmitting previous infection, and tissue transplants such as corneas are "life-enhancing" not "life-saving" so they can take a little more of a risk (but i dont like that word). Someone who is dying from liver disease may be willing to take the slight risk of developing a transmissable disease if the only other option is death. Also the treatment for diseases such as HIV is so successful now.
I will get off my soap box but do have a lot of knowledge of this subject and will very happily answer any pms.
Flirty xxx
as the government eventually came to the conclusion... organ donation is a gift. not a duty. yes it's sad that people on the organ donation register have to wait, but that is no reason to make it so that people have to go to effort to say they DON'T want to be cut up before they die. there's something fundamentally wrong with having to ASK to be buried in your natural state, all organs included.
If the government allowed cloning technology and stem cell research to advance instead of having the imho pointless moral/religious debate that's currently going on, we may not need organ donation in the near future.
I do not believe this is in any way a good idea, I actually think this will lower the amount of people willing to be donors, rather than improve it.
I do not believe this is in any way a good idea, I actually think this will lower the amount of people willing to be donors, rather than improve it.
Sex God
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as the government eventually came to the conclusion... organ donation is a gift. not a duty. yes it's sad that people on the organ donation register have to wait, but that is no reason to make it so that people have to go to effort to say they DON'T want to be cut up before they die. there's something fundamentally wrong with having to ASK to be buried in your natural state, all organs included.
In my opinion dead is dead - I won't be here to care what happens to my remains. No more than meat that is now going off.
I'd rather have people having to ask not to have organs taken after they die than family have to be asked if the organs can be taken at such a traumatic time. Also, isn't having to ask for an organ to save your life worse?
I think as an adult you should automatically be in the donor scheme. Then if you do not want to be, you can be taken off easily.
I feel that will be the only way for there to be more donors. A difficult thing to ask when someboday has just lost a loved one, but ask they must. At least with the scheme they wont have to if they have not opted out, and that can save a life or lives.
I feel that will be the only way for there to be more donors. A difficult thing to ask when someboday has just lost a loved one, but ask they must. At least with the scheme they wont have to if they have not opted out, and that can save a life or lives.
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I think as an adult you should automatically be in the donor scheme. Then if you do not want to be, you can be taken off easily.
I feel that will be the only way for there to be more donors. A difficult thing to ask when someboday has just lost a loved one, but ask they must. At least with the scheme they wont have to if they have not opted out, and that can save a life or lives.
as I'm studying forensic anthropology at the moment, I could say that I think more adults should be more willing to part with the bones/remains of their children in the name of scientific research, as it happens, for some reason the fact that they are a child of a young age makes this socially unacceptable, meaning when we find the remains of a juvenile, it is VERY difficult to determine sex and ancestry, because we have very little to compare it to. if you make it compulsory to have organs donated, where do you stop, and where is it FAIR to stop?
I dont think they should have an automatic list that you should ave to opt out of.
heres a senario for you:
The opt out scheme is introduced in January 2009. Your child dies in January 2010.
You are obviously distraught at the hospital........ to then find out your child has had many organs removed because either the child or you as parents didnt "opt out"
heres a senario for you:
The opt out scheme is introduced in January 2009. Your child dies in January 2010.
You are obviously distraught at the hospital........ to then find out your child has had many organs removed because either the child or you as parents didnt "opt out"
