I was rarely smacked as a child. My brother and I didn't dare do anything seriously naughty as the "threat" (I can't think of a better word) was deterent enough.
I honestly don't know if smacking children is a valid way of disciplining children. In some cases, it just makes the child resentful and agressive to others.
I'm no child psychologist, but I don't think it's something that should happen in modern times.....
A very contentious subject, only the brave (or stupid, take your pick) will walk here! lol
I was leathered as a child, I dont think it did me any real harm other than to abhor violence in the upbringing of my own children.
I think a scolding would normally be sufficient as admonishment for wrong doing and as a last resort, removal from parental contact for a short time (anyone seen how the kids are 'punished' in 'tiny tearaways'?)
i think the real problem is the definition of smacking. with my littlun, if he misbaves, he will get a 'smack', but this is literally a a pat which to be honest he wouldnt even feel but to him it is an embaressment & he realises he's done wrong. In no way would i condone violent contact which leaves any marking, which lets face it is some peoples idea of smacking which in reality is nothing short of assault.
I think we've skirted round this before and it sure is a very controversial subject.
Personally I was brought up with damn good smackings, I had the belt and good clips around the head (especially when I returned home with three hickey's on my neck!).. I'm still here and unmarked physically, however, mentally I'll never forget the look in my Dad's face when he was angry and I vowed I'd not chastise my kids the same way.
I've only ever once had to raise my hand twice to my daughter in 15 years. She was 2 1/2 yrs old and bit someone in public. Her smack was a tap on the back of her legs and she was gutted as I'd not done that before. The other was 3 wks ago when we had an almighty row and I got her by the arm and pushed her out of the room, a simple push. Both incidents gutted me to the core.
I don't think physical violence towards children is necessary. My normal way of dealing with my daughter is "the look", she knows she's gone to far when she gets that look. I've brought up a respectful decent young lady without violence so there must be something in that but I can only speak for myself.
I had a friend years ago who used to regularly whack her daughter around the head, I warned her on the last occasion if she continued I'd do it back to her, she stopped doing it in my presence.
I still feel tho on the other side of the coin, that parents should be left with the decision if their children are very naughty and unruly, the odd smack on the bottom may be necessary.
purely my opinion but
the use or even threat of violence to someone smaller or physically of less statue is simply BULLYING. It doesn't matter if they are children or adults. You are simply useing your supirior strengh to force your rule of law.
I have a daughter now 13, and have never lifted a finger to her. When she has done wrong..we sit down and we talk about why it is wrong. and we sit there and talk about it, until i feel she fully understands. I have to say that for me it has worked well..she is generally a goog gal anyway...but the best thing is after a discusssion, she has never repeated the mis-demeanor again.
I have to admit to an occasional and rare smack though I do try to use other methods which I have found to be extremely succesful. For the youngest we use the 'naughty step' this doesnt include any shouting just calm and firm direction and explanation. The eldest children get sent to thier rooms. This they hate whether its the embarrassement or the feeling of missing out, it is very effective and we always have an apology and a damn good chat after to discuss how we all felt.
The biggest problem in my opinion is lack of respect, but we also have to respect our children. I do not agree with violence or abuse obviously but should we really be told how to discipline our children or just advised.
Mrs G x
I used to smack my kids but it got to a stage where I knew it wasn't about their perceived misbehaviour it was about my anger. I hated myself afterwards and knew that I hadn't gained anything in doing it. Bit of reading soul searching and general thoughtmeant that I changed.
I now make use of the naughty step/time out area which gives me a chance to calm down enough to be able to discuss rationally with the kids why what they were doing was wrong. I need that time to calm my temper down as much as they need time to think about why they've been sent to cool off too. It's rare that the time out zone gets used these days and when it does get used it's generally for hitting each other. I know I'm not going to stop the kids from hitting each other by hitting them for it.
However I'm not going to say that you should never smack your child. I would smack any toddler on the back of the hand who was trying to push a fork into an electrical socket.
post and be damned.....
I see no difference between hitting a child (even if I have given birth to it) Or hitting another child in the street or another adult if I think that they have done wrong.
As an adult I would get prosecuted for hitting another person. Why is it different because I am their parent ?
As for advising on how to raise children as opposed to telling. We are told in law not to hit other people.. again, why is it so different when we are raising a child ?
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when i was a kid, my parents used to smack us, particularly my brother and i absolutely hated hearing the sound of it. It used to really upset me and id pull my dad off of him.
When i had my own children and at one point had three under 5, the temptation to smack was there and sometimes i did slap them across the legs or bum but never a real good hiding. One occasion springs to my mind, my daughter who was about three at the time and a real little devil had played me up all day, and on the walk home i smacked the back of her legs. This old, weird woman who used to push her dog around in a pushchair and was known in the town as being very strange, came up to me and said "you arent supposed to do that, its illegal". I was absolutely fuming and stormed home, i felt like id been pushed to my limits by my daughter and how could that woman judge me so harshly??
As my kids have grown up and ive matured and yes, mellowed out, i only need to raise my voice a bit and glare at them and they know... oh yes, they know!!
I hate hearing kids upset in shops and its horrible hearing parents shout at them, but sometimes we forget how bloody hard it is to be a parent of toddlers!!
Suze xx
Never before has there been so many reports of the disrespect, disregard and even violence shown by young people to both the police, to teachers in schools and adults generally in their communities... why? Because the kids know there is feck all that can be done to them.
Forget smacking, any adult over the age of 25 should have the right by law to kick the crap out of misbehaving adolescents who step out of line. No, forget stepping out of line, any little shites that so much as look like they are thinking about doing something annoying should be set upon and severely beaten with whatever implement is close to hand.
The rights of adults in relation to educating young people as to how to behave in society should be as follows (slightly amended Rory Breaker quote):
“If you climb over my back fence, I'll kill ya. If you throw bottles in my front garden or I think you’re gonna throw bottles in my front garden, I'll kill ya. If you do anything I don’t want you to, I'll kill ya. In fact, you're gonna have to work very hard to stay alive. Now do you understand everything I've said? Because if you don't, I'll kill ya.”
being smacked when i was a child did me no harm, in fact i think that this is what is wrong with todays children, they know they can get away with it so they dont care. and just do what they want
I was smacked as a child. Up until I was about the age of 11/12 maybe.
I always knew when I was about to over step the mark, as they always warned me - sort of 'the next time I have to tell you, it'll be a smack across the legs'
If I carried on doing whatever, they would smack me.
I think a lot of the problem now isnt from smacking or lack of. Its from parents not following through. For example at work a few days ago.
Parent: If you dont stop that now you'll not get a mcdonalds
Child carries on
Parent: I'll count to 3 and if you havent stopped, they'll be trouble.
Child carries on
Parent: 1
Parent: 2
Parent: 2 and a quarter
Parent: 2 and a half
Parent: 2 and 3quarters
I mean whats the point? By this time the child has managed to scare the crap out of the pets in my store, caught 5 fish in their sweety bag, and in general run riot.
And they still go to mcdonalds on the way home!!!
Parent head:
I have slapped backs of hands for going near electrical sockets etc. Refused to have a fireguard - they soon learned not to go near the fire. I have probably smacked mine two or three times each (they are 15 and 16 years old now) - I have no objection to smacking and think that on occasion they have deserved that smack. BUT 'the look' has been enough for the vast majority of the time. Anyone who's met my children will tell you that they are polite, gregarious and well-balanced individuals.
Teacher head:
As Pololady said, the kids in school know exactly what we are allowed/not allowed to do and some of them will push that to the absolute limit. I have been pushed, kicked, bitten, punched, sworn at and called all manner of names. I had to go to hospital as a result of being pushed by one very stroppy 10-year old.
Now, if my children had done that, I would be horrified. The parents of the children I have been on the receiving end of, are completely indifferent. As long as the kids aren't under their feet, they don't care what they do. I have one child in my class whose mother has sued a school before now for alleged abuse of her child. Turned out to be completely unfounded but it ruined a teacher's career - there are always those who say 'no smoke without fire'. In today's 'making a claim' society, we have to be very careful. I wouldn't dream of touching any child in school, but you can't even hug them nowadays if they're upset, never mind hit them.
Some of the kids in school run their parents absolutely ragged - they need to be disciplined - and we have to take the flak when we try to discipline without violence.
I think all children NEED clearly defined boundaries; they need to know that beyond a certain point their actions have serious and possibly painful consequences.
I was smacked as a child, but not often, the look was usually enough, however I knew with certainty that if I crossed the boundary the rules changed and I could be smacked.
There is a world of difference between smacking and beating though.
beating is too good for some of them!
I Believe that the discipline of children, should be for the parents to decide and implement. I also believe that much of today's problems stem from poor parenting.