smoking

27 Oct 2005

Quote by Phire
When the smoking ban comes in I'll be able to wear the same clothes for weeks!

good point and well put :thumbup:

Quote by dargento
but then again i havnt smoked the day after so in every other walk of life im now a non smoker and a smoking swinger(

lol @ smoking swinger, thats like me only have a fag after a few pints and a good shag

27 Oct 2005

Quote by Davej
My understanding which I will admit is limited, is that the aim is to protect the workforce from passive smoking. Under that premise, where the hell is the relevance of food in all of this. If it's for the comfort of the patrons then I can see some tie up with eating a meal and having cigerette smoke in the environment, but it's not and thats why I cannot see any relevance in the 'if they sell food, if they don't' argument, as far as I can make out thats just wafty shite.

ah yeah, good point dave!
if the smoking ban is all about public health, and protecting the rights of workers and non-smokers, so as not to be exposed to second hand smoke, well it don't really make a whole lot of sense to have a partial ban does it? surely you'd ban it outright, or not at all? kind of suggests that really it ain't about public health at all, and has more to do with that whole ill-thought out, we got your best interests at heart honest , something must be done so this is the something we're doing, gotta get summat on the Statute Books else people'll think we're doing bugger all with our democratic mandate, nanny state type legislation this govt is so keen on?
now, your restaurant may well be a slightly more pleasant environment in which to eat a meal, and we'll all be spared that whole embarassing "d'you mind if i smoke" and polite "no of course not, feel free to pollute my space while we wait for the main course" thing, but your spit and sawdust pub will be choked with a thick nicotine fog cos it's the only place you can have a fag with your pint! i suspect the bar-staff in that boozer will be nipping out for a fresh-air head rush, while over the road you'll have chain smokers firing a rapid couple of fags down to stockpile up on the nicotine in between courses.
not sure encouraging a crowd of drunken pub-goers to spill out onto the street and congregate round the door at 3 a.m. thanks to extended licensing laws, with a bottle of Smirnoff Ice or two to hand, is that great an idea? and not sure your non-food-pub bar staff will be all that pleased about inhaling the equivalent of 80 woodbines every night now that all the smokers are forced to booze in there?
once upon a time pubs began offering no-smoking areas, which were either completely empty, or completely packed. how about, letting pub owners themselves decide whether to offer smoke-free / smokers zones, depending on their clientele? whichever of them is in the majority, well that's who you cater for? smoke-free zone, or smokers den? a bit like that democracy serving the majority's wishes thing maybe, that Tony so obviously just really doesn't get at all?
neil x x x x

27 Oct 2005

Quote by Deviated Prevert
I'd have more sympathy for any sort of ban if the scientific body of evidence related to the dangers of smoking could be said to be unbiased and representative. Unfortunately over the past 15 years there has been a huge bias in the funding and reporting of research against anything that says anything other than the medical profession's party line that smoking is really bad and causes pretty much everything that could go wrong with you.
As it is, I feel like I'm being picked on as an easy target for politicians and health campaigners who're too scared to actually tackle problems that might make a real difference to people's health - like industrial and transport pollution, poor housing, poverty, etc. I don't like being picked on and fed propaganda, and thus have no intention of giving up.

Have quoted much of what you had to say DP cos this is exactly how I feel about this bloody ban - especially the highlighted bits.
and yes, i might be a stubborn cow but while I dont mind vacating the table/ room etc etc in order to enjoy my cigarette and not subject others to my smoke, I sure as shite wont role over and take a ban because I'm (the smoker) on the recieving end of the lastest 'ooooo you musnt do that its bad for you' propaganda.
then again, most of what I'd have added to this thread NN has already said:

what really pisses me off tho and sorry to go off track a little here is, the goverment make million ever year out of the taxes on tobacco products, if everyone stopped smoking the country would fall on its arse in a matter of months, its just a case of having to be seen to care they don't really want you to stop smoking, where would they get the money from to replace the taxes they would loose if we all did? people moan about smokers but they will moan even more when their pay pack is short every month cause they decide to recover the lose thro our wages, personally thats not a price i would be willing to pay i'd sooner people smoke than my taxes go up

a standing ovation for that woman if you please passionkiss

27 Oct 2005

I've been out for a meal with my parents tonight and sat in the no smoking area of the pub. When I walked in through the front door at home I got
"Ewwwww you stink of smoke Mummy"
"Why do people do that if its going to kill them"
That was enough to make me pleased I don't smoke

27 Oct 2005

It stunts your growth dawn ;)
thats all im saying about it......................

27 Oct 2005

Quote by steff35
It stunts your growth dawn ;)
thats all im saying about it......................

I've seen your growth :rascal:
redface

I meant how tall you are, honest :giggle:

27 Oct 2005

does it stunt your outward growth? if so het me 20 B&H

27 Oct 2005

naughty dawn....lmao
should have stayed in brum me thinks

27 Oct 2005

9 Years ago I nursed my father .. watching him shrink from a normal robust man to a skeleton who was curled up in agony for the last week as he took each breath
Last week I started the process again but this time its with my brother .. he has it in his spine as well as his lungs ... as secondary cancer ...
I certainly wouldn't inflict this disease on an enemy let alone people I love and cherish.
So I am all for the ban.
DD

27 Oct 2005

Quote by steff35
naughty dawn....lmao
should have stayed in brum me thinks

:rascal:
:giggle:

27 Oct 2005

I go over to Ireland quite a lot, and its not a great hardship for me as a (soon to be ex) smoker.
However talking to some non smokers in a bar one night, they said its a nightmare - you can smell every fart and belch! That and a lot of the pubs are about half as busy as they used to be.

28 Oct 2005

So what is the real driver behind the ban? If itâ€™s for health reasons or protection of workers health rights, then it has to be a full ban, but with the current proposals various establishments will be exempt from the ban. So does this mean that the government feels it must do something to follow other countries who have already implemented a ban, and give the headline that it cares about health (may stop lawsuits against them), but is afraid that by implementing a full ban they would lose too many votes and would therefore prefer to sit on the fence? (They canâ€™t have it both ways)
For us itâ€™s a difficult choice as Mr Sussex does not smoke while Mrs Sussex does. We agree that smoking in restaurants and food areas should be banned, but as far as other areas of pubs goes then the choice should be left up to the local pub. We would be happy with Smoking pub & non-smoking pubs so people have a choice. As far as staff are concerned in our local about 50% of the bar staff smoke including the landlady
Sussex2
xxx

28 Oct 2005

I don't smoke - I consider it unhealthy, other people's smoke makes my clothes and hair smell, but most of all if I have a cold my eyes and throat HURT when people are smoking inthe same room as me. It causes me significant distress. Ban it - why are we arguing. Of course it should be banned.
When will the first Munch in a Non-Smoking venue be held? Would everyone who smoked not go because of this? I suspect they'd still go.

29 Oct 2005

I just quit but I think if people want to smoke let em smoke and if they want to smoke in pubs so be it. People have smoked in pubs/ public for as long as most of you can remember. you may say well its not fair on people who don't smoke, This may be true but if there in a pub there probably drinking alchol and that aint good for ya health either so why the big fuss.