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Not all planet damaging cars are 4x4's and not all 4x4's are gas guzzlers.....
Except Mallocks' 4X4
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Not all planet damaging cars are 4x4's and not all 4x4's are gas guzzlers.....
Except Mallocks' 4X4
:lol: :lol: :D :D :shock: :shock: :shock: Dave_Notts
I am not saying anything about 4x4's after the last dicussion we had about "chelsea tractors"... almost got me lynched!!!! :gagged: :gagged: :gagged: :gagged: :gagged:
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Quote by Dave__Notts
Not all planet damaging cars are 4x4's and not all 4x4's are gas guzzlers.....
Except Mallocks' 4X4
:lol: :lol: :D :D :shock: :shock: :shock: Dave_Notts
Quote by dekntan
being the biggest area of the british isles i think it will hit england the hardest,
It is starting to bite hard in Scotland as well. Profits in businesses are down on average 14%. This has had some companies saying that redundancies will follow.
This should be a short term problem though.......5-10 years......then profits should start climbing once the non-smoking generation replace the smokers.
Times are changing......well they have changed.....and a new dawn is upon us. We can grieve for the past or move forward with the future.
Dave_Notts
PS......I am a smoker who will not stop.......except when my ashes cool
Quote by buckingfabe
You may think that Im an ostrich here, but I do think that a lot of deaths are labelled as smoking related when they may not be so at all. They see smoker on the list and it automatically means that was the ultimate cause. Speaking from personal experience I had 2 brothers die in their (very) early 40's. Yes they smoked and both died of heart attacks. But what we have subsequently learned is that there is a congenital heart condition in the family being passed down the male line which is killing smokers and non smokers. But my brothers deaths were classed as smoking related because no one wanted to look further but found a convenient label. I wonder how many other so called smoker deaths are also incorrrectly classed in the statistics? Oh and btw giving up doesn't necessarily save you. My ex partner had given up smoking for over 10 years when he developed COAD which is a life threatening (smokers) condition.
I think you mean COPD. Which is mainly, but not exclusively, a smokers disease. It was thought to be a smokers disease, but in many cases now it is classed as an "industrial disease", and can be obtained (free of charge) at almost all industrial workplaces that do not care about their employees breathing in dust. Many miners have received large compensation awards for COPD.
Please do not forget that tobacco smoke inhaled directly has quantities of carbon monoxide in it. This is preferentially taken-up by haemoglobin instead of oxygen and does not do the same job. I fact, the cell is useless from then. This will not help those who already have heart or respiratory disease (which is statistically about 30% of the population)
Sex God
Are COAD and COPD not the same thing? both correct.
Sex God
I'm a smoker. I like smoking. I enjoy a ciggie.
Having said that, if I could go back to the day I started and make a different choice knowing what I know now, I have to admit that I probably would choose not to smoke.
I gave up smoking last March and focused my cravings on exercise. I did really well and completed a challenge in June which involved a 16 mile walk and a 39 mile bike ride. After that I decided I could be a social smoker... I soon became a social smoker when I was on my own and subsequently failed at giving up! I'll try again when I'm in the right frame of mind and have the willpower and desire to stop!
I don't smoke in my flat, I hang out the window. I hate the smell of stale smoke when I get up in the morning so I don't do it.
I've always smoked outside, when I lived at home with my parents that was the only option. The smoking ban doesn't really make any odds to me in that respect, I quite like smoking outside. I think it's a good thing really cause I don't particularly like sitting in a smokey atmosphere every time I go out. Although I'm going to contradict that and say that it's been quite a novelty going to munches/socials down south and being able to smoke in the pub!
I think I'm quite a considerate smoker though, I tend to smoke less when I'm with non-smokers and I certainly would never smoke in someone's house/car if they were a non-smoker, whether they allowed it or not.
Having said that, if I could go back to the day I started and make a different choice knowing what I know now, I have to admit that I probably would choose not to smoke.
I gave up smoking last March and focused my cravings on exercise. I did really well and completed a challenge in June which involved a 16 mile walk and a 39 mile bike ride. After that I decided I could be a social smoker... I soon became a social smoker when I was on my own and subsequently failed at giving up! I'll try again when I'm in the right frame of mind and have the willpower and desire to stop!
I don't smoke in my flat, I hang out the window. I hate the smell of stale smoke when I get up in the morning so I don't do it.
I've always smoked outside, when I lived at home with my parents that was the only option. The smoking ban doesn't really make any odds to me in that respect, I quite like smoking outside. I think it's a good thing really cause I don't particularly like sitting in a smokey atmosphere every time I go out. Although I'm going to contradict that and say that it's been quite a novelty going to munches/socials down south and being able to smoke in the pub!
I think I'm quite a considerate smoker though, I tend to smoke less when I'm with non-smokers and I certainly would never smoke in someone's house/car if they were a non-smoker, whether they allowed it or not.
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Quote by Dirtygirlie
I think I'm quite a considerate smoker though, I tend to smoke less when I'm with non-smokers and I certainly would never smoke in someone's house/car if they were a non-smoker, whether they allowed it or not.
Same here.....
If people visit us who arent smokers I go outside to smoke even though I'm in my own house..
Quote by buckingfabe
You may think that Im an ostrich here, but I do think that a lot of deaths are labelled as smoking related when they may not be so at all. They see smoker on the list and it automatically means that was the ultimate cause.
No your a swan
And i totally agree with what your saying, theres that much hype about smoking and what it does that its now used as a get out clause, I can't speak for everyone but any time i've been unwell which isn't to often and have to visit my GP after telling the GP my symptoms the first question im asked is "DO YOU SMOKE" when the reply is a "NO" then the head scratching begins, I'm not for one second saying smoking does'nt cause people harm but i do think its exaggerated ever so slightly, If you smoke and your slighly overweight your f*cked if the media's to be believed then you won't see past 30, like has been said before some people breathe in worse just going to work on a daily basis you don't see them banning those certain jobs? but i do find it annoying that everytime i've been unluckily enough to have to visit a GP the first thing they ask is do you smoke and if so how much? Yes COAD and COPD are the same thing, chronic obstructive airways disease or pulmonary disease. He was diagnosed as COAD, but I think COPD is more of an American term.
I'm so glad I smoke as it gives my dr something to bitch about, not forgetting the morbidly obese thing as well. How awful it would be for him if he actually had to find a reason for my ilnesses. Still he always seems to manage a few good misdiagnoses even with my habitual smoking to hang it on
I'm so glad I smoke as it gives my dr something to bitch about, not forgetting the morbidly obese thing as well. How awful it would be for him if he actually had to find a reason for my ilnesses. Still he always seems to manage a few good misdiagnoses even with my habitual smoking to hang it on
Sex God
Quote by buckingfabe
Yes COAD and COPD are the same thing, chronic obstructive airways disease or pulmonary disease. He was diagnosed as COAD, but I think COPD is more of an American term.
I'm so glad I smoke as it gives my dr something to bitch about, not forgetting the morbidly obese thing as well. How awful it would be for him if he actually had to find a reason for my ilnesses. Still he always seems to manage a few good misdiagnoses even with my habitual smoking to hang it on
Still, the majority of my patients admitted to hospital are smokers, or are obese, and are usually admitted due to a 'lifestyle' related illness, that is that most reasons for my patients illnesses could be avoided by making simple lifestyle changes.
Sometimes when you deal with that everyday, and see people die from these kind of things everyday, you feel you're banging your head off a brick wall when you try to show people what a good thing a smoking ban is!
I think if your GP is giving smoking as a reason for your illnesses, then 9 times out of 10 he's probably right!
ps COAD is more a laymans term used as airway is easier to understand than the pulmonary part of COPD (oh, and den should know that!lol)
m xx
Sexlightened
Been told the club we go to is classed as a private party so the smoking ban won't affect it
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Quote by us_2_north_east
Been told the club we go to is classed as a private party so the smoking ban won't affect it
If they charge an admission fee are they not liable to the same legislation as other public places
Sexlightened
Quote by Mallock2006
Been told the club we go to is classed as a private party so the smoking ban won't affect it
If they charge an admission fee are they not liable to the same legislation as other public places
don't know about that but it was the club owner who said it was a private party think it's a complicated issue this one
Quote by us_2_north_east
Been told the club we go to is classed as a private party so the smoking ban won't affect it
If they charge an admission fee are they not liable to the same legislation as other public places
don't know about that but it was the club owner who said it was a private party think it's a complicated issue this one
Not complicated at all. Is it his house? If not....then it comes under the ban.
A village hall will still be banned even if it is being hired for a private party. It is a premises open to the public......it has a roof......and more than 50% walls.
He can buck the trend but if someone complains and they visit during opening hours then he will have a fine.
Dave_Notts
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PARTNERS IN BURY
Signs all around the Club now say :
What would you rather have - a FAG or a SHAG? From July there will be no smoking in Partners.
We arrived in Partners at around 10pm on Saturday but by midnight the thick fuzz of smoke was killing us and we had to leave. Most of Sunday we were both coughing on and off all day.
Roll on July - but there is a secondary question why are so many Swingers also smokers?
Signs all around the Club now say :
What would you rather have - a FAG or a SHAG? From July there will be no smoking in Partners.
We arrived in Partners at around 10pm on Saturday but by midnight the thick fuzz of smoke was killing us and we had to leave. Most of Sunday we were both coughing on and off all day.
Roll on July - but there is a secondary question why are so many Swingers also smokers?
Quote by Mallock2006
Been told the club we go to is classed as a private party so the smoking ban won't affect it
If they charge an admission fee are they not liable to the same legislation as other public places
It was reported in the Sundays that Churches and other places of worship will have display No Smoking signs and comply with legislation. I think it is to do with the question of public access more than the payment of an admission fee..
*thinks* is paying into the collection box then going into the confessional constitute an "admission" fee
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Quote by Too Hot
but there is a secondary question why are so many Swingers also smokers?
Probably because they are first and foremost, part of the general population that smokes - swinging being secondary ;-)
TJ
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Quote by Too Hot
PARTNERS IN BURY
Signs all around the Club now say :
What would you rather have - a FAG or a SHAG? From July there will be no smoking in Partners.
We arrived in Partners at around 10pm on Saturday but by midnight the thick fuzz of smoke was killing us and we had to leave. Most of Sunday we were both coughing on and off all day.
Roll on July - but there is a secondary question why are so many Swingers also smokers?
Roll on the day they ban it all together.....
Then everyone can put their hands in their pockets to pay the shortfall in tax that smokers currently provide..
Sex God
Quote by RedHot
but there is a secondary question why are so many Swingers also smokers?
Probably because they are first and foremost, part of the general population that smokes - swinging being secondary ;-)
TJ
What I was referring to was the seemingly high percentage of swingers who are also smokers. Where I work there are two smokers in about 30 employees, in Clubs the percentage of smokers seems to be much greater than 50%. I am sure that more than 1 in 15 smoke, but then again I am sure that there are less than 50% of the population generally who smoke.
Quote by Too Hot
but there is a secondary question why are so many Swingers also smokers?
Probably because they are first and foremost, part of the general population that smokes - swinging being secondary ;-)
TJ
What I was referring to was the seemingly high percentage of swingers who are also smokers. Where I work there are two smokers in about 30 employees, in Clubs the percentage of smokers seems to be much greater than 50%. I am sure that more than 1 in 15 smoke, but then again I am sure that there are less than 50% of the population generally who smoke.
Overall it is about 24% of the general population.
In 2005 it was about 25% of men and 23% of women.
Quote by Too Hot
but there is a secondary question why are so many Swingers also smokers?
Probably because they are first and foremost, part of the general population that smokes - swinging being secondary ;-)
TJ
What I was referring to was the seemingly high percentage of swingers who are also smokers. Where I work there are two smokers in about 30 employees, in Clubs the percentage of smokers seems to be much greater than 50%. I am sure that more than 1 in 15 smoke, but then again I am sure that there are less than 50% of the population generally who smoke.
There are also a few part time smokers that only smoke when they go out to clubs or pubs to have a drink. Maybe thats why
Louise xx
I was out browsing my local shops last week when I decided to go sit on a quiet out of the way little bench, people watch and have a ciggie...
Only been there a few minutes, minding my own business an this guy started shouting and pointing at me...*scum of the earth, shouldnt be allowed* at the top of his voice :shock::shock: If its going to be like this in July, Ive never going out of my home again, with or without a ciggie....
xanaisx
Only been there a few minutes, minding my own business an this guy started shouting and pointing at me...*scum of the earth, shouldnt be allowed* at the top of his voice :shock::shock: If its going to be like this in July, Ive never going out of my home again, with or without a ciggie....
xanaisx
Quote by Darkfire
if it's like that in July Anais, I'm likley to be arrested. Lots
I was a bit taken back Darkfire to be honest... totally unprepared for it.
You know what though, I sat there a little longer and counted the smokers (its quite a busy area) and in about half an hour, I only saw three..
think its having an effect already.xanaisx
smoking ban or not Anais, it doesnt give anyone the right to treat or speak to you like you're something on the bottom of their shoe!
if you walked up to anyone else in the street and said that for any other reason bar smoking it would be discrimination and there'd be an 'ism' for it ! :taz:
if you walked up to anyone else in the street and said that for any other reason bar smoking it would be discrimination and there'd be an 'ism' for it ! :taz:
Sex God
Quote by flower411
Hopefully we all agree that smoking can cause cancer.
It seems that it doesn`t cause cancer in everybody.
But passive smoking for some people could be dangerous. So it`s hardly an "ism" for people to get aggressive towards people who don`t have any regard for other peoples possible health problems caused by passive smoking.
The person shouting abuse is very obviously a git !! but the smoker is hardly innocent. If children see people smoking in public places it just makes the whole thing socially acceptable. Lets all bite the bullet and just stop doing it. It`s killing you and it`s making life unpleasant for the people around you.
And all of us reformed smokers know how horrible smokers smell and taste !!
Yeh..............Lets drive it into the back streets and back rooms
Quote by Dave__Notts
Lorry cabs will be exempt if he is a tramper or the lorry is only driven by one person and they do not carry passengers or other work colleagues.
Dave_Notts
I'd like to know where you got that from Dave.
It would help with a "discussion" I'm having at the moment
Although - in reality, many companies will just introduce/enforce a fascist "Company Policy"
We had a love letter just last month saying that drivers caught smoking in the cab by police would be liable to prosecution :roll:
Mind you, the same buffoon also put a memo out about the new hours rules and cocked them up too :roll:
