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Quote by lilacgem
How's it going to work in the swinging clubs?
I know when people go out they have an option to "nip outside" but I cant imagine a group of people outside the door at Partners dressed in towels :shock:

Technically, they will be banned as well.
Will EHOs go to a swinging club?
Only if they on their databases as places of work.
Has a swinging club ever been visited by an EHO?
We will need an owner to post on this and tell us.
Dave_Notts
Quote by lilacgem
How's it going to work in the swinging clubs?

Chameleons is going to be a non-smoking club, we spoke to Lynne about it a few weeks back about it.
There will however still be the outside area where you can smoking and the conservatory :thumbup:
smoking ban wont effect me,in fact its saving us money,as we now dont go out as much to pubs,we go round to friends houses.
we buy a couple of bottles,rum/voddi and theres several of us who do this,between us we reckon pubs/taxis/take aways are losing upto 300 pounds a week.
so its a good thing for us biggrin
the bann will cause a bit of fun esp for venues that have no outside open area.
you cant use conservatorys as any enclosed space is deemed no smoking.
Destiny SX being fully licensed has been visited by the authorities and all venues will be visited accordingly.
we been to quite a few veneus and not many have areas that can be used as secluded out side smoking. so will be weird to see places have guests outside in various states of undress or dress.
The swingers club in Edinburgh remains a smoking venue as there is nowhere except the main street for smokers to go, and swingers club work differently up here me thinks, ie they work as a private house (? don't quote me on that)
We went once to it and won't go back because of the smoke- it was minging, you really notice the difference the ban makes when you go somewhere that doesn't have a ban!
And smoking in a swinging club? Not exactly sexy, is it?! lol
Quote by Dave__Notts
How's it going to work in the swinging clubs?
I know when people go out they have an option to "nip outside" but I cant imagine a group of people outside the door at Partners dressed in towels :shock:

Technically, they will be banned as well.
Will EHOs go to a swinging club?
Only if they on their databases as places of work.
Has a swinging club ever been visited by an EHO?
We will need an owner to post on this and tell us.
Dave_Notts
the govt have cocked up once again,they should have made breweries allocate say 50/60% non say they want to encourage people to stop smoking,thats rubbish,
if they wanted smokers to stop,all they have to do is bang £10 tax on a pack of 20 cigs.
a friend of ours owns 2 arcades nr the seafront. yes hes thinking of the money hes gonna smokers will have to go already planning on laying off staff.
how is the ban on smoking in company cars that are shared,gonna be policed?
expect an acceleration of pub other public places,such as bingo halls and the been a non smoking pub going a mile from us,and since it became non smoking,its shut down 3 times in 18 months.
Quote by Dawnie
How's it going to work in the swinging clubs?

Chameleons is going to be a non-smoking club, we spoke to Lynne about it a few weeks back about it.
There will however still be the outside area where you can smoking and the conservatory :thumbup:
Technically the conservatory should be a no smoking area as well if it has a roof and more than 50% walls. So perhaps they are not complying with the law or a no-smoking club after all
Dave_Notts
Quote by mazandden
The swingers club in Edinburgh remains a smoking venue as there is nowhere except the main street for smokers to go, and swingers club work differently up here me thinks, ie they work as a private house (? don't quote me on that)
We went once to it and won't go back because of the smoke- it was minging, you really notice the difference the ban makes when you go somewhere that doesn't have a ban!
And smoking in a swinging club? Not exactly sexy, is it?! lol

I know you said don't quote you but :doh: I have.
The rest of the UK is learning about enforcement of the law from the Scots. The Scots seem to enforce stricter than what the rest of the UK will be doing, so I am surprised to see that they haven't enforced this area. A private residence is a house or other building where you live. You can invite friends around and smoke. If you take payment of any kind then it is a businesss and falls under these laws. Enforcement agencies won't go out looking for places......they'll just wait until someone complains and then go around and deal with it accordingly. More than likely it is a case of nobody has complained yet.
The whole point about the ban is to protect people like yourself, the non-smoker, from people like me, the smoker. I was part of the campaign to get it in and it took my professional body years of lobbying to get it in. Shot me self in the fecking foot didn't I :lol:
Dave_Notts
Quote by xmanuk2003
the govt have cocked up once again,they should have made breweries allocate say 50/60% non say they want to encourage people to stop smoking,thats rubbish,
if they wanted smokers to stop,all they have to do is bang £10 tax on a pack of 20 cigs.
a friend of ours owns 2 arcades nr the seafront. yes hes thinking of the money hes gonna smokers will have to go already planning on laying off staff.
how is the ban on smoking in company cars that are shared,gonna be policed?
expect an acceleration of pub other public places,such as bingo halls and the been a non smoking pub going a mile from us,and since it became non smoking,its shut down 3 times in 18 months.

Stealing a saying from Mastercard:
The cost of losing your business-£1000's
The cost of ruining your coat stood outside-£100's
Saving one life from avoidable cancer-priceless
Dave_Notts
Being a smoker and working in a pub, im still looking forward to the ban.
It will certainly be a more pleasant environment to work in, yes...a smokers point of view! and I believe my work rate will increase...busying oneself, trying not to crave ones ciggys!
But.......will I have the customers on the premises to serve? I dont think so!
All we can do is wait and see. I believe it has worked elsewhere so why not here? Dont we all adapt when we have to? Surely thats one of our greatest abilities dunno
Mrs G
Ta hun, Not sure what the club is classed under, I don't think a swingers club as such is legal in scotland? (or something along those lines- all I know is there are only one or two up here and there is possibly some legal issue surrounding that, but anyway...)
At the club, there definately is nowhere but the main street in a busy area for smokers to go, and the owners don't want to draw any unwanted attention to the place.
It is also an unlicenced club, so not sure if that has anything to do with it?
It was, however, very offputting for me n my girlfriend, it seemed like everyone there was making the most of being able to smoke!
Den would have loved it if he had gone- seeing as he is a 40/day smoker at the mo!
So the ban doesn't make much difference to me unfortunately!hehehe!
I do think it has worked very well in scotland, once everyone has got over the initial hassle of going outside, most of my friends are used to it, and there certainly doesn't seem any major difference to how busy main pubs and clubs are in the centre.
(not to say that this is different on the outskirts or in smaller towns)
It has made a difference to my dads profits, a cigarrette retailer, but I still think in a few years time (ok, maybe more like 5 or 10) we'll wonder how smoking was ever allowed in public!
maz xx
Quote by Dave__Notts
The swingers club in Edinburgh remains a smoking venue as there is nowhere except the main street for smokers to go, and swingers club work differently up here me thinks, ie they work as a private house (? don't quote me on that)
We went once to it and won't go back because of the smoke- it was minging, you really notice the difference the ban makes when you go somewhere that doesn't have a ban!
And smoking in a swinging club? Not exactly sexy, is it?! lol

I know you said don't quote you but :doh: I have.
The rest of the UK is learning about enforcement of the law from the Scots. The Scots seem to enforce stricter than what the rest of the UK will be doing, so I am surprised to see that they haven't enforced this area. A private residence is a house or other building where you live. You can invite friends around and smoke. If you take payment of any kind then it is a businesss and falls under these laws. Enforcement agencies won't go out looking for places......they'll just wait until someone complains and then go around and deal with it accordingly. More than likely it is a case of nobody has complained yet.
The whole point about the ban is to protect people like yourself, the non-smoker, from people like me, the smoker. I was part of the campaign to get it in and it took my professional body years of lobbying to get it in. Shot me self in the fecking foot didn't I :lol:
Dave_Notts
Quote by mazandden
It is also an unlicenced club, so not sure if that has anything to do with it?

If someone grasses them up then they will be fooked. The Scots enforcement will have them. So it isn't legal for them to be able to smoke......it is like an underground smoking haven.
Quote by mazandden
but I still think in a few years time (ok, maybe more like 5 or 10) we'll wonder how smoking was ever allowed in public!
maz xx

:thumbup: It has to be for the long term. Things will change for the better.
But we also have to recognise that it will bring heart ache to some people. Losing jobs, businesses and social recreation i.e. bingo go-ers. No fun for them but that is progress for you.
Dave_Notts
ps my main beef is when people say smoking is the cause of all cancer. It only equates to 33% of the cancers in the UK, including very distant associations with smoking. The other 67% are other causes.
Quote by xmanuk2003
the govt have cocked up once again,they should have made breweries allocate say 50/60% non say they want to encourage people to stop smoking,thats rubbish,
if they wanted smokers to stop,all they have to do is bang £10 tax on a pack of 20 cigs.
a friend of ours owns 2 arcades nr the seafront. yes hes thinking of the money hes gonna smokers will have to go already planning on laying off staff.
how is the ban on smoking in company cars that are shared,gonna be policed?
expect an acceleration of pub other public places,such as bingo halls and the been a non smoking pub going a mile from us,and since it became non smoking,its shut down 3 times in 18 months.

No ... If they really wanted to stop smoking they would Ban the use of them full stop.. Stop them being made, stop them being imported and make them an illegal drug.
But they need the money... Hypocrits lol
Quote by mazandden
And smoking in a swinging club? Not exactly sexy, is it?! lol

What's sexy to one person may not be sexy to another, but I can assure you that some people do find it sexy


It wouldnt do for us all to like the same thing wink
Im a non smoker and I detest everything about it but I do feel sorry for those that choose to use this drug. There should be designated areas inside places so we all have freedom of choice to what we put our bodies through.
I work in a pub every sat night running the karaoke/disco. I have to have my fan running constantly to keep as much smoke away from me as possible as it affects my singing. :karaoke:
Though Im chuffed to nuts that I wont have to wash my hair 4 times before I get rid of the smell :smug:
It will all work out.. it has elsewhere. After-all, if you want to sing, dance or drink in the right atmosphere and every place is the same.. ya gota go somewhere... N even better, No more fag burns from drunk peeps in my clothes YIPPEEE!!! :thrilled:
Love Minx
xxxx
Smoking ban is long overdue for public places like restauants, bars etc ... remember how horrible it used to be on the top deck of a double decker bus?
Not a smoker and have never smoked, but am not over-zealous about it, don't over-react like some anti-smokers do if someone lights up next to them at a bus stop etc and think talking about banning people smoking outside buildings is, well, just plain stupid ... if you go that far, we should make tobacco illegal ... that won't happen obviously as the revenue is too 'tasty' ...
Quote by DarkJedi
Smoking ban is long overdue for public places like restauants, bars etc ... remember how horrible it used to be on the top deck of a double decker bus?
Not a smoker and have never smoked, but am not over-zealous about it, don't over-react like some anti-smokers do if someone lights up next to them at a bus stop etc and think talking about banning people smoking outside buildings is, well, just plain stupid ... if you go that far, we should make tobacco illegal ... that won't happen obviously as the revenue is too 'tasty' ...

Perhaps they should ban it altogether and then everyone can pay the same directly from their pockets... dunno
Wonder if those who are so ferociuosly anti smoking would be so then :dunno:
Nah,
What they should of done is compromised, everyones happy. Non-smoking and smoking venues, never the twain shall meet....easy isnt it?
10 venues in a town? make 8 non smoking, that reflects the mix of smokers to non smokers, the absolute last thing we should ever allow is choice to take part in a perfectly legal activity to be removed by legislation, because it will not stop there.......I have a couple of honest questions,
If the call for non smoking bars was so huge, why did it take legislation to force the issue? Surely it makes excellent commercial sense to give the majority of your customers what they want?
Whats next for limitation/ban?
Oh and DarkJedi.......here you go lol
Quote by staffcple
Oh and DarkJedi.......here you go lol

:lol: It's a nice photo but think I've seen those before, the rubber/latex is too floppy and wouldn't be a very good fit ... I really am looking for EXACTLY as good as the movie ones ... cool
Quote by staffcple
Nah,
What they should of done is compromised, everyones happy. Non-smoking and smoking venues, never the twain shall meet....easy isnt it?
10 venues in a town? make 8 non smoking, that reflects the mix of smokers to non smokers, the absolute last thing we should ever allow is choice to take part in a perfectly legal activity to be removed by legislation, because it will not stop there.......I have a couple of honest questions,
If the call for non smoking bars was so huge, why did it take legislation to force the issue? Surely it makes excellent commercial sense to give the majority of your customers what they want?
Whats next for limitation/ban?
Oh and DarkJedi.......here you go lol

Problem is peoples local pub can be a bit holy in thier opinion. I certainly wouldent want to move from my local pub to the other local pub even though I dont go that often. Its kind of like telling a Chelsea fan they can smoke as long as they do it at White hart lane :shock:
Quote by staffcple
Nah,
What they should of done is compromised, everyones happy. Non-smoking and smoking venues, never the twain shall meet....easy isnt it?
10 venues in a town? make 8 non smoking, that reflects the mix of smokers to non smokers, the absolute last thing we should ever allow is choice to take part in a perfectly legal activity to be removed by legislation, because it will not stop there.......I have a couple of honest questions,
If the call for non smoking bars was so huge, why did it take legislation to force the issue? Surely it makes excellent commercial sense to give the majority of your customers what they want?
Whats next for limitation/ban?
Oh and DarkJedi.......here you go lol

Completely seperate venues would mean I'd be sitting alone in my pub... cos my drinking buddy smokes :upset:
Oh My!!! thankgod the desicion is out of our hands!!
Not necessarily,
You see with a compromise.....everyone has a choice.
You can choose to use the smoking venue, with your buddy, or of course your buddy can choose to use the no smoking venue and not smoke.
As it stands after 1st July, you'll be sat on your own anyhow, while your buddys outside, smoking.
The absolute biggest problem anyone should have is the decision has been completely taken out of your hands. Smoking is still a legal activity and for a government to restrict anyones right to a legal activity without providing equality to both sides is a worrying precedent. As i posed.......whats next?
As to the 'holy' pub thing, well compromise comes from both sides, you want to smoke in a pub, you do it in a smoking pub, comes down to how much you wish to smoke whilst having a drink doesnt it?
It is a truly astonishing piece of legislation, which imo infringes human rights. Its a real sad state of affairs that we have a government quite happy to promote a society and culture of all day drinking, and have absolutley no issue with it, and to ban smoking............
I am a non smoker
I prefere to not have the smoke around but if I want the company of my drinking buddy I don't have the choise to sit with the smokers... She is a heavy smoker and can't imagine going anywhere without being able to have one... not even for me lol, she's too addicted lol, but I do sympathise with her... Maybe I need a new drinkin buddy!! lol
Look at it as a health and safety measure.
If the legislation had not been passed, the pubs would have had the problem anyway, since the bar staff who don't smoke are being exposed to the smoke.
Any COSHH assessment based upon the toxic and harmful components in tobacco smoke would have to conclude that the staff must not be exposed to same.
And for the human rights afficionados, the UK is going to opt-out of the european human rights act/s soon. Which means that we won't have any (again).
Smokers always make me laugh anyway, so very up-their-own arses. I stopped to give a lift to a hitch-hiker....(well, it was pissing down)....the guy asked me if it was ok to smoke. I said no. At which he asked me to stop and got out...mind you, if he had the money to smoke...he could probably have had the bus fare as well....but then...buses are no-smoking as well......
My employers have decided that the no-smoking laws don't apply to them....we'll see....each smoker faces a 50 quid fine if seen smoking in the workplace...but for each smoker fined in the workplace the company faces up to a £2500 fine.
Quote by JTS
My employers have decided that the no-smoking laws don't apply to them....we'll see....each smoker faces a 50 quid fine if seen smoking in the workplace...but for each smoker fined in the workplace the company faces up to a £2500 fine.

There are exemptions.......so they can be right. Give more detail and someone will tell you
Dave_Notts
Quote by JTS
Smokers always make me laugh anyway, so very up-their-own arses.

:shock:
Quote by Dave__Notts
There are exemptions.......so they can be right. Give more detail and someone will tell you
Dave_Notts

Thanks, but I checked that. They aren't !
Quote by JTS
Thanks, but I checked that.

So did the look-out on the Titanic.
Dave_Notts
Quote by lilacgem

Smokers always make me laugh anyway, so very up-their-own arses.

:shock:
Didn't you know lilacgem?
I thought everyone knew........that is why we don't have to advertise as much as the non-smokers lol
Dave_Notts