SMOKING BAN how will it effect you?

27 May 2007

Quote by JTS
Go to HERE and read the "266 ways people can invade your home" legally.

Just had a quick read of that. It was bloody hilarious. Some of them refer to legislation that does not include private homes......some are duplication of the same legislation but different sections of the same legislation.......some have now been removed off the statute books (or repealed).......etc, etc, etc.
Out of the list I saw I am glad it is the law. Like entering a house to look for evidence of crimes against children........to ensure that contagious people with life threatening illnesses are not able to wander about the general public.....to stop diseased animals entering the food chain.....etc, etc etc.
Is this an eradication of my civil liberties.....IMO without them it would impose on my civil libilties.
Dave_Notts

27 May 2007

So Dave_Notts
As the forum topic says "How will it effect you"
I guess thats your answer...
Please can I ask you that if you want to go on about legislations blah blah...that you start a new thread about the particular rules etc..
This has all gone a bit weird :wary: Maybe we should call this one a day??

27 May 2007

Quote by lilacgem
How will it affect me?
I'll be sat on my own while he nips out for a ciggie break. It's something I'm used to already with restaurants cos there is a no smoking policy in place already.
Just wondering if loads of people give up, then where will the government get their extra revenue from?

Could they possibly put income tax up? Loose the national health service & make it all private???
:smoke:
I agree it would solve a lot of problems

27 May 2007

also i means to me that i will be able to go out and breathe

28 May 2007

Quote by Ms_minxie
So Dave_Notts
As the forum topic says "How will it effect you"
I guess thats your answer...
Please can I ask you that if you want to go on about legislations blah blah...that you start a new thread about the particular rules etc..
This has all gone a bit weird :wary: Maybe we should call this one a day??

My answer to the original question was on page one.
Since then I have been replying to other peoples comments. If I had to start a new thread for every comment that was "off topic" then the the forum would have hundreds of new topics and nobody would know where to find the reply to each "off post" comment.
If I see a comment that is wrong or IMO I do not agree with then I will quote it and say my opinion where it is relevant.......on the post it was given.
The beauty of this forum is that we have a diverse comunity that have differing opinions. These threads start out on one thing but then go in a different direction. It is fantastic. The threads run and debate blosoms. I have talked to a member off here recently who commented on mine and Staffcpls debate. They said how good it was to see two people debating and not degenerate into a slanging match of personal insults. To me that shows the kind of person Staffscpl is. So I have just not had a good debate but also identified someone I would gladly have a pint with at a social as well.
To me, threads are not just about the issue in hand but to see what the other person could be like. It allows me to work out if I would want to speak to them in real life at a munch. This works well for me........except Freckledbird.......I cocked that one up lol

:shock: .............. bolt

I hope that makes sense? Cos it looks like rambling now I have wrote it :D
Last point to make is that if a thread has reached its course then people will stop posting on it and it falls away to join the thousands of previous threads. It doesn't really need people to say it has run its course. The members here will decide that. If they want to add they will, if they don't they won't and the thread goes. Only time a thread stops because of an outside influence is when a Mod locks it because of a breach of the AUP.
Dave_Notts
PS please let it be the M of Staffscpl that I debated with or the F is going to batter me for assuming it was :lol:

28 May 2007

Quote by Dave__Notts
To me, threads are not just about the issue in hand but to see what the other person could be like. It allows me to work out if I would want to speak to them in real life at a munch. This works well for me........except Freckledbird.......I cocked that one up :shock: ..............

Oh I dunno, your entrance was quite inspired!
The rest of the night, well... rolleyes

28 May 2007

Quote by Freckledbird

To me, threads are not just about the issue in hand but to see what the other person could be like. It allows me to work out if I would want to speak to them in real life at a munch. This works well for me........except Freckledbird.......I cocked that one up :shock: ..............

Oh I dunno, your entrance was quite inspired!
The rest of the night, well... rolleyes

It was the best 30 seconds you have had you told me :shock:
Dave_Notts

28 May 2007

Wonder what Rios will be doing, as there seems to be a high percentage of smokers go there, who stay for a long period of time. Cant imagine standing out the back with a towel wrapped around you in mid winter.

28 May 2007

Quote by Dave__Notts
I have talked to a member off here recently who commented on mine and Staffcpls debate. They said how good it was to see two people debating and not degenerate into a slanging match of personal insults. To me that shows the kind of person Staffscpl is. So I have just not had a good debate but also identified someone I would gladly have a pint with at a social as well.
Dave_Notts
PS please let it be the M of Staffscpl that I debated with or the F is going to batter me for assuming it was

Dave, It is indeed the male biggrin

Can i just say sincere thanks for your kind words and the first pint is on me.
It is difficult, especially when emotive subjects are debated to keep cool, i work on the premise that insults/abuse have no place in a reasoned debate, infact i would go as far as to say anyone who resorts to abuse/insulting the poster they are replying to devalues any previous or following comment they might make. I also find breathing before posting a benefit..... :lol:

28 May 2007

Quote by Edin BBW
We've had the smoking ban in Scotland for over a year now and it's bloody wonderful. No more stinky clothes or hair at the end of a night out. No more having a 'smokers' cough after a night out. It's great to go into a pub and there not being a smog over it, and if having to eat in the pub, you can eat your food without getting a mouthful of someone elses smoke.
I recently went on holiday to a country where smoking in pubs etc is still accepted and it was awful having been used to socialising in Scotland for the past year.

Let me guess you are a non smoker???
I am sick and tired of people making out that smokers are the planets lepers! You and me should be given a choice, but as a smoker that choice has been taken away from should have been pubs for smokers and non smokers alike, so we ALL have a you and others do not smoke that is fine, but I and many others smoke and my right has been taken away from me, which I do not mind, but have been given no other options. Stinking politial correctness!!!

28 May 2007

Quote by kentswingers777
Let me guess you are a non smoker???
I am sick and tired of people making out that smokers are the planets lepers! You and me should be given a choice, but as a smoker that choice has been taken away from should have been pubs for smokers and non smokers alike, so we ALL have a you and others do not smoke that is fine, but I and many others smoke and my right has been taken away from me, which I do not mind, but have been given no other options. Stinking politial correctness!!!

Interesting comment. As a non smoker who is glad of the ban, I hadn't thought of this aspect of it before.

28 May 2007

Quote by Cherrytree

Let me guess you are a non smoker???
I am sick and tired of people making out that smokers are the planets lepers! You and me should be given a choice, but as a smoker that choice has been taken away from should have been pubs for smokers and non smokers alike, so we ALL have a you and others do not smoke that is fine, but I and many others smoke and my right has been taken away from me, which I do not mind, but have been given no other options. Stinking politial correctness!!!

Interesting comment. As a non smoker who is glad of the ban, I hadn't thought of this aspect of it before.
I think a few of Dave_notts earlier posts give quite a good argument as to why this ISN'T a good idea...
Also, what about the workers in the smoking pubs? The smoking ban is a health and safety measure to protect workers from smoke in their working environment. The government have to take measures to protect people in their work place from health risks, the sheer volume of smokers in a pub etc is one such risk.
I imagine that it has also come about due to the steady increase in people claiming/suing etc for anything and everything, in 5-10 years time there would probably have been a whole host of claims for health damages due to working in smoke filled environments, if people can claim for slipping on wet leaves, then imagine what they could've got for 'chest problems' etc!
m xx

28 May 2007

kentswingers wrote:
kentswingers777 wrote:
Let me guess you are a non smoker???
I am sick and tired of people making out that smokers are the planets lepers! You and me should be given a choice, but as a smoker that choice has been taken away from should have been pubs for smokers and non smokers alike, so we ALL have a you and others do not smoke that is fine, but I and many others smoke and my right has been taken away from me, which I do not mind, but have been :
the point is that smoking is the choice, not the venue.
we should all have the right to drink or work everywhere, what right has anyone got to say this is a smoking establishment and you cant come here or work here ?
if you are going on holiday you cant smoke on the plane, everyone puts up with that ,so you can do it.
a friend of mine who is a fishmonger, liked a drink at lunchtime, was barred from town centre pubs cos he stunk. what`s the difference, what about his rights to choose? or is it all right to smell tobacco but not fish ?
any smokers want to let me know where they drink, ? will send pete round!!everytime they go out lol.

29 May 2007

annejohn, i think you will find that the smell of fish isnt bad for your health (though it isnt a very pleasent odour!)
You cant compare the two, your freind was excluded from the pubs in his town becuase he was bad for business not because his haddock de toilette was affecting other customers health!
A publican has the right to refuse any customer for no reason whatsoever, as its private property (this is why doorman dont have to give you a reason when they wont let you in)

29 May 2007

but, its perfectly legal to be a fishmonger.
should we be able to discriminate against poeple with smelly jobs, but not against poeple with smelly habits that have the possibilty of causing actual harm ?
whether its done nationwide or on an arbitrary pub by pub system

29 May 2007

In my opinion it should have been made to be an opt in for no smoking, but as always in this police state we live in, they have taken the choice away because the government and powers that be believe adults cannot make decisions on their own, one more nail in democracy's coffin, If they are so concerned about smoking then why dont they ban it outright and prohibit the sale of tobacco products in their entireity ..ohh wait ..that would take away a free mans choice wouldnt it? And of course the revenue it creates which is the governments only real concern, even people who find it difficult to give up would find it easy if tobacco was banned outright and wasn't in your face at every till in every shop, but thats not the issue, they want people to smoke, they want the revenue its creates, there only concern at the moment is the old fashioned one, that being divide & conquer, as a non smoker you may be happy with this decision but whats next? Hopefully it will be to ban all tobacco products in the UK. at least that way non smokers would have to pay more towards our NHS service that we're always complaining about and the smokers who have kept it affloat for the past 20 years would find it far easier to kick the habbit and would still pay less out than they do now. Then the people who think smokers are leppers can go back to being racisists. just a thought?

29 May 2007

Quote by Fun Scottish Couple
Then the people who think smokers are leppers can go back to being racisists.

:shock:
That is uncalled for.
Dave_Notts

29 May 2007

Quote by Dave__Notts
Then the people who think smokers are leppers can go back to being racisists.

:shock:
That is uncalled for.
Dave_Notts
Indeed. confused

29 May 2007

Quote by Freckledbird
Then the people who think smokers are leppers can go back to being racisists.

:shock:
That is uncalled for.
Dave_Notts
Indeed. confused

Indeed indeed!
Can anyone also explain to me the thought behind 'free choice' being taken away by the smoking ban?
You have the choice to vote for the person/party who you want to represent the nation in parliament, who then vote on the publics behalf in parliamnent.
I think we have very little to complain about living in a country where we are allowed to vote, petition and speak up to the government.
People in certain other coutries know the true meaning of 'free choice' as they have to live every day without the right to vote, express opinions etc,
Not being able to smoke in public really isn't too big a hardship in the great scheme of thinhgs when you think what other people in life have to put up with.
At least we live in a country where we can choose to spend money on a luxury at risk to our health.
m xx

29 May 2007

When "the ban" comes in, I vow to smoke more.
I can imagine myself slumped on Canal Street, enjoying the view, in a trench of stale dog ends.
Ha ha.
Might be a bit shit in swingers clubs though confused

29 May 2007

Quote by mazandden
Can anyone also explain to me the thought behind 'free choice' being taken away by the smoking ban?

well its a free choice now, but it won't be in July (already taken away in scotland & ireland) or are you saying it's not a free choice for non smokers because they have to breathe in other people smoke? if so i'm looking at it from both angles as its not a free choice for a smoker whos sat at the same bar for 20 years but now has to go outside for a cigarette. also bear in mind non smokers are'nt forced to go into a pub etc where people are smoking, but smokers are being forced to go outside, isn't that having free choice taken away?

Quote by mazandden
I think we have very little to complain about living in a country where we are allowed to vote, petition and speak up to the government.

And do they listen? have you seen the petitions this no smoking ban created? did they listen to the millions who petitioned against invading iraq?

Quote by mazandden
You have the choice to vote for the person/party who you want to represent the nation in parliament, who then vote on the publics behalf in parliamnent.

Thats only true if you voted for the party thats in power and has the majority, like i said before "divide & Conquer"

29 May 2007

Quote by annejohn
but, its perfectly legal to be a fishmonger.

Well i hate to break it to you, but smoking aint an illegal activity either.
Unlike the assaults, domestic violence, road deaths and various other anti social behaviour alcohol causes.
Hazardous to others health?......Most definitely,
Huge cost to the NHS and society in general?......Er, yes.
Adverts that glamourise it, drink and you are popular? Oh yes.
Is there any move to banning that? No? Why's that then? Would that be lobby groups, cash 'donations' from alcohol companies and the licensed trade?
---------------------------------------------
And i'm sorry, but anti smokers are racists? Purrrrlease.....sorry the debate didnt need that. BTW i am a smoker.

29 May 2007

Quote by staffcple
but, its perfectly legal to be a fishmonger.

29 May 2007

Quote by devondelight
but, its perfectly legal to be a fishmonger.

Well i hate to break it to you, but smoking aint an illegal activity either.
Adverts that glamourise it, drink and you are popular? Oh yes.
Is there any move to banning that? No? Why's that then? Would that be lobby groups, cash 'donations' from alcohol companies and the licensed trade?

Erm wrong .. they are already campaigning to put stronger warning labelling on bottles of drinks ... thats how the anti smoking lobby started 10 yrs ago. Its the new target.
DD
So there arn't tv adverts for various drinks that show huge amounts of attractive people all having a great time, with a tiny little piece of writing somewhere that says 'please drink responsibly'? They dont do the 'smoke and you'll get cancer' types of adverts do they? You know the thing, picture of an alcoholics liver, dramatic music...."drink too much and you'll end up poor, homeless, in agonising pain from liver problems and eventually dead" do they?
If indeed they are looking at restricting alcohol abuse in some way, why hasnt there been the massive duty hikes that tobacco has suffered then? Penny here, penny there, not the average 15p twice a year there has been on cigarettes.
Doesnt add up does it? Don't forget, if you look at the figures, this is an activity that costs more to the NHS, more social problems and more innocent victims than smoking ever has.

29 May 2007

Quote by Fun Scottish Couple
In my opinion it should have been made to be an opt in for no smoking, but as always in this police state we live in, they have taken the choice away because the government and powers that be believe adults cannot make decisions on their own, one more nail in democracy's coffin, If they are so concerned about smoking then why dont they ban it outright and prohibit the sale of tobacco products in their entireity ..ohh wait ..that would take away a free mans choice wouldnt it? And of course the revenue it creates which is the governments only real concern, even people who find it difficult to give up would find it easy if tobacco was banned outright and wasn't in your face at every till in every shop, but thats not the issue, they want people to smoke, they want the revenue its creates, there only concern at the moment is the old fashioned one, that being divide & conquer, as a non smoker you may be happy with this decision but whats next? Hopefully it will be to ban all tobacco products in the UK. at least that way non smokers would have to pay more towards our NHS service that we're always complaining about and the smokers who have kept it affloat for the past 20 years would find it far easier to kick the habbit and would still pay less out than they do now. Then the people who think smokers are leppers can go back to being racisists. just a thought?

You are obviously a very wise person... and the best arguement to date on here, in my view. Let me buy you a

29 May 2007

Quote by Dave__Notts
Then the people who think smokers are leppers can go back to being racisists.

:shock:
That is uncalled for.
Dave_Notts
I am still confused about this point. Can the original poster or anybody who supported this as the "best argument" please explain?
Dave_Notts

30 May 2007

Sorry I haven't read the 8 pages of this thread so this point may have already been covered.
I visit people in their own homes. This means that their homes are my workplace. The ban means that they can't smoke when I am present. This point seems to have been lost in the advertising.
My company has just asked me to sign a form that says that I am willing to work in a home when the owner is smoking. The only reason I can see for this is, that if I develope a smoking related illness linked to a home visit I can't sue my employer.
If I sign the form I am accepting the risk.
If I don't sign the form I should have refused to work in the home when they are smoking.
dunno

:dunno: :dunno:

30 May 2007

Quote by Dave__Notts
Then the people who think smokers are leppers can go back to being racisists.

:shock:
That is uncalled for.
Dave_Notts
I am still confused about this point. Can the original poster or anybody who supported this as the "best argument" please explain?
Dave_Notts
WHY? do you think smokers are leppers? My View is discriminating against someone whether it be because of there race, religion, beliefs, age, size or anything else they do that some see as different is all the same thing? and if you think i'm saying non smokers should have to breathe in other peoples smoke then your far wrong, what im saying is landlords should be alowed to have smoking only premises if they choose to and if they did i bet they wouldn't throw non smokers out on the street for not smoking or give them on the spot fines either.

30 May 2007

Woah,
Why so hostile? No where has anyone i recall said smokers are lepers. Now discrimination against smokers is NOT as serious as racism in any way shape or form. Why? Because its shortly to be made legal discrimination, in the same way as the law discriminates against those who drive at 100 mph or rob banks or abuse children. Its called looking after the interests of the greater good.
Right or wrong, agree or disagree thats the way it is. I agree, landlords should have had the choice, unfortunately as Dave_Notts has rightly said, they DID have the choice to voluntarily introduce segregated areas alongside extraction etc etc....and didnt. Now this no smoking legislation does wind me up, not because i disagree with the concept, only because i think there couldve been a compromise that suited everyone found and implemented and i feel that government has again gone for an easy win, evidence points to the fact that again they have their prorities all wrong, unfortunately i'm just going to have to live with it.

30 May 2007

Quote by Srne
Hopefully it will mean when i go for a shit at work...i won't have to worry about all the cigarettes butts and fucking fag ash on the floor around the toilet!....f**king dirty bastards!

Yeah i kno i work on a building site and its the same there the smell of builders shit mixed with fag ash and smoke is something nobody should have to endure!! :shock:
As someone else mentioned the fact that i wont come home from my very rare nights out, rare because of the very same reason, smelling like an ash tray and waking up with a slight headache but feeling sick because of the smell of smoke.
It really does knock me sick, i realise smokers dont kno how bad it is as they are used to it but for a non smoker its really rough!!
Bring on the Public Smoking Ban, all you fag smokers go to your room (the designated smoking room) lol

This is what Iv'e been waiting for thank the Lord, how I have suffered having to breathe tobacco smoke over the years, no wonder people go down with all types of cancer and related diseases. common sense has prevailed at last.