SMOKING BAN how will it effect you?

30 May 2007

Quote by Fun Scottish Couple
Then the people who think smokers are leppers can go back to being racisists.

:shock:
That is uncalled for.
Dave_Notts
I am still confused about this point. Can the original poster or anybody who supported this as the "best argument" please explain?
Dave_Notts
WHY? do you think smokers are leppers? My View is discriminating against someone whether it be because of there race, religion, beliefs, age, size or anything else they do that some see as different is all the same thing? and if you think i'm saying non smokers should have to breathe in other peoples smoke then your far wrong, what im saying is landlords should be alowed to have smoking only premises if they choose to and if they did i bet they wouldn't throw non smokers out on the street for not smoking or give them on the spot fines either.
Why would I think smokers are leppers? I am a smoker. I have been a smoker for 24 years (ruddy hell......nearly a quarter of a century :shock: ).
It is because the landlords didn't segregate the pubs, install ventillation, have smoking and no smoking premises that this legislation came in. Compromise was a way forward throughout the last quarter of a century......but the pro-smoking lobby did not listen. When the percentage of adult smokers dropped below 50% they started to become the minority. Changes should have come in........compromise should have happened. But the pro-smoking lobby did not want it.......the smokers did not want it. The figures have finally reached 20-23% of the adult population smoking.....new reasearch shows that non-smokers are dying at a rate of 12,000 a year from smoking related illness. Still there was no compromise.
So democracy spoke. The elected MPs had a free vote. They were lobbyed by the people they serve. They saw what was wanted and voted on it. This is democracy working.
Next time somebody is member of a majority group and people ask for a compromise, then think long and hard at the answer that is reached.......because one day, that person may not be in the majority and when things do not go their way.......they should not then cry out that compromise should have been thought of.
Dave_Notts

30 May 2007

Quote by O. K.
Hopefully it will mean when i go for a shit at work...i won't have to worry about all the cigarettes butts and fucking fag ash on the floor around the toilet!....f**king dirty bastards!

Yeah i kno i work on a building site and its the same there the smell of builders shit mixed with fag ash and smoke is something nobody should have to endure!! :shock:
As someone else mentioned the fact that i wont come home from my very rare nights out, rare because of the very same reason, smelling like an ash tray and waking up with a slight headache but feeling sick because of the smell of smoke.
It really does knock me sick, i realise smokers dont kno how bad it is as they are used to it but for a non smoker its really rough!!
Bring on the Public Smoking Ban, all you fag smokers go to your room (the designated smoking room) lol

This is what Iv'e been waiting for thank the Lord, how I have suffered having to breathe tobacco smoke over the years, no wonder people go down with all types of cancer and related diseases. common sense has prevailed at last.
33% of cancers can be related to smoking causes. Since the ban will come in on the 1st of July.......you need to look at the other 67% of causes that may harm you
Dave_Notts

30 May 2007

Quote by staffcple
and i feel that government has again gone for an easy win, evidence points to the fact that again they have their prorities all wrong, unfortunately i'm just going to have to live with it.

The legislation was passed on a free vote. A majority of the elected mps' of all parties voted for the legislation.

30 May 2007

Quote by staffcple
and i feel that government has again gone for an easy win, evidence points to the fact that again they have their prorities all wrong, unfortunately i'm just going to have to live with it.

The thing is.......we will live with it. We enjoy a cigerette and we will have one. Nobody will stop us doing that. When I give up smoking you know that it is time to buy a black armband for my funeral.
The thing that did make me laugh though......I saw an article about someone moaning that they will have to be subjected to cigarette smoke when they drink in the beer garden. This one I can not defend for the non-smokers. You want the indoors.......you can keep them. Just leave us somewhere where you won't moan about us ffs lol

Dave_Notts

30 May 2007

Quote by keeno
Sorry I haven't read the 8 pages of this thread so this point may have already been covered.
I visit people in their own homes. This means that their homes are my workplace. The ban means that they can't smoke when I am present. This point seems to have been lost in the advertising.
My company has just asked me to sign a form that says that I am willing to work in a home when the owner is smoking. The only reason I can see for this is, that if I develope a smoking related illness linked to a home visit I can't sue my employer.
If I sign the form I am accepting the risk.
If I don't sign the form I should have refused to work in the home when they are smoking.
:dunno: :dunno:

Hiya Keeno
The legislation does not cover a persons private residence, even if you work there.
However, you are entitled under the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 not to work in an injurous atmosphere.
What your workplace should do is set up a letter that goes out to the residents stating that they must stop smoking in the room you are going to work in and ventilate (open the windows) prior to work starting. If you arrive and they have not stopped and ventillated then you can refuse to work and tough to them. This may be ok if you make appointments for your job and it is a service they request i.e. plumber, homecare, health visitor, etc. May not be an option if you are an emergency person. Majority of scenarios can work along these lines.
My advice would be to tell them to shove the form where it don't shine. Your life bud......not theirs......and this coming from a 40 a day-er as well rolleyes

31 May 2007

Quote by Dave__Notts
and i feel that government has again gone for an easy win, evidence points to the fact that again they have their prorities all wrong, unfortunately i'm just going to have to live with it.

The thing is.......we will live with it. We enjoy a cigerette and we will have one. Nobody will stop us doing that. When I give up smoking you know that it is time to buy a black armband for my funeral.
The thing that did make me laugh though......I saw an article about someone moaning that they will have to be subjected to cigarette smoke when they drink in the beer garden. This one I can not defend for the non-smokers. You want the indoors.......you can keep them. Just leave us somewhere where you won't moan about us ffs lol

Dave_Notts
Unfortunately, this is the attitude we face, no matter the choices or compromises we make, there will always be someone who will push just that little bit further.
Personally i look forward to the first non smoker who lectures me outside, that is of course if laughing in someones face is still considered offensive.

31 May 2007

recon the debate has take its course and now has raised several other issues that reallyu should be addressed in another topic.
getting back the the point its quite streight forward the main question or implication is that would the bann on smoking make you decide not to frequent your normal venues.
perhaps the mods can lock this thread

31 May 2007

I dont think it needs a lock. The fact its still up there at the top of page 1 shows there's still interest in it wink

it has been, so far, albeit dominated by several posters who have given very knowledgeable and reasonable discussion, a fab example of the bloody good thread where people can give their oppinion freely and not reduce it to a slanging-match. An enjoyable read, imo.
good stuff I say :thumbup: - and, while we;ve got a half-decent thread running, lets keep it lol

some of your original post's questions have yet to be answered dunno

...and maybe there are more people out there who still wish to make comment on some of the other issues raised? - and if they dont, it'll simply slip down the page into oblivion :wink:
So.....

Quote by KnREssex
... how will it effect you,
will you give up?
will you only go to doggin site now?
will you like the ban no more smelly clothes etc?
will it effect the places you will go?

No I wont give up just because the Government has decided to place restrictions on my social life. I'll give up that instead. Cutting my nose of to spite my face? hell yes :lol: - but on principal, unless there's somewhere I can go to have a ciggie without having to (for example) stand outside a munch venue drawing attention to 'us', I dont go. Simple.
The money I'd have spent behind the bar will go toward something else and I'll associate with people who dont look on me or treat me like a social-leper. :thumbup:

31 May 2007

Quote by Darkfire
No I wont give up just because the Government has decided to place restrictions on my social life. I'll give up that instead. Cutting my nose of to spite my face? hell yes - but on principal, unless there's somewhere I can go to have a ciggie without having to (for example) stand outside a munch venue drawing attention to 'us', I dont go. Simple.
The money I'd have spent behind the bar will go toward something else and I'll associate with people who dont look on me or treat me like a social-leper. :thumbup:

Just about sums it up for me as well....

31 May 2007

Quote by KnREssex
will you give up? definately not
will you only go to doggin site now? I dont go dogging anyway
will you like the ban no more smelly clothes etc? Just use plenty of fabric conditioner and loads of body spray and perfume
will it effect the places you will go? not really

The smoking ban wont affect me too much. The pubs and restaurants that we use all have outside areas so its easy to nip outside for a quickie wink

I definately want to give up smoking, but I wont be doing it just because the government has made it harder for me to smoke. I'll do it in my own time and for my own reasons.
louise xx

31 May 2007

Don't smoke so won't affect me wink

Hopefully in the pubs the que at the bar won't be as long as some of the drinkers will be outside smoking :thumbup:

31 May 2007

Quote by staffcple
Woah,
Why so hostile? No where has anyone i recall said smokers are lepers. Now discrimination against smokers is NOT as serious as racism in any way shape or form. Why? Because its shortly to be made legal discrimination, in the same way as the law discriminates against those who drive at 100 mph or rob banks or abuse children. Its called looking after the interests of the greater good.

Firstly I don't smoke, but as an ex-smoker I can see it from both sides, I'm not being hostile I was merely replying to a quote, and it was me who mentioned lepers but that should only apply to anyone who thinks that way, but to put smokers in the same category as the things you mention above has made me laugh! all that you mention are illegal activities and serious at that, and certainly are not ok to do if you do it outwith a public place so i can't see your point, smoking isn't illegal, and this ban is certainly not a legal discrimination against smokers and if it was then surely thats worse than racism if they are legaly encouraging it? But it is discrimination against hard working tax payers who happen to smoke, but non-smokers don’t see that yet as they arent being told what they can and cant do, well not yet anyway, but since its ok for prisoners to smoke and its also ok for theses so called members of parliament that made this decision to bring in this smoking ban, which also includes the workplace, sorry the voters workplace, as there workplace is excluded from this ban too, does nobody find this a tad odd or is it just me? What happened to practice what you preach, like I said I’m an ex-smoker but what’s next? Well after the pay per mile driving scheme that’ll be unveiled shortly who knows? They are starting to dictate how people can run their lives, i thought this was a free country? it used to be, but not only is it now rip off britian, they are now trying to tell us what we can and cant do while exluding themselves, and it won’t stop there you can bet your boots on that one.

31 May 2007

Quote by Fun Scottish Couple
Woah,
Why so hostile? No where has anyone i recall said smokers are lepers. Now discrimination against smokers is NOT as serious as racism in any way shape or form. Why? Because its shortly to be made legal discrimination, in the same way as the law discriminates against those who drive at 100 mph or rob banks or abuse children. Its called looking after the interests of the greater good.

Firstly I don't smoke, but as an ex-smoker I can see it from both sides, I'm not being hostile I was merely replying to a quote, and it was me who mentioned lepers but that should only apply to anyone who thinks that way, but to put smokers in the same category as the things you mention above has made me laugh! all that you mention are illegal activities and serious at that, and certainly are not ok to do if you do it outwith a public place so i can't see your point, smoking isn't illegal, and this ban is certainly not a legal discrimination against smokers and if it was then surely thats worse than racism if they are legaly encouraging it? But it is discrimination against hard working tax payers who happen to smoke, but non-smokers don’t see that yet as they arent being told what they can and cant do, well not yet anyway, but since its ok for prisoners to smoke and its also ok for theses so called members of parliament that made this decision to bring in this smoking ban, which also includes the workplace, sorry the voters workplace, as there workplace is excluded from this ban too, does nobody find this a tad odd or is it just me? What happened to practice what you preach, like I said I’m an ex-smoker but what’s next? Well after the pay per mile driving scheme that’ll be unveiled shortly who knows? They are starting to dictate how people can run their lives, i thought this was a free country? it used to be, but not only is it now rip off britian, they are now trying to tell us what we can and cant do while exluding themselves, and it won’t stop there you can bet your boots on that one.
But why are all of the activities i said illegal?......Because laws have been passed that make them so, just like the one thats about to come into force that makes it legal to discriminate against smokers by preventing them from smoking inside a public venue.
If we pick and choose which laws we adhere to, all of a sudden you have anarchy.
Prisoners are allowed to smoke because a prison is classed as their home, anyone is allowed to smoke inside their home within the legislation.
House of commons exemption? Well when have you ever known politico's to put there own self interest anywhere except top of the list? We let them do it, so how can we complain when they do?
I agree, this is the thin edge of the wedge....i've said for a while now 'where will it end' fox hunting, smoking, whats next? If i was going to be all macavellian over it, i could say 'is this just an easily acceptable thing to see what else they could get away with banning?'
"Well you didnt moan when we banned smoking, so dont moan about anything else we do"

31 May 2007

Quote by staffcple
Prisoners are allowed to smoke because a prison is classed as their home, anyone is allowed to smoke inside their home within the legislation.

But isnt a prison also a place of work confused

31 May 2007

Quote by Mallock2006
But isnt a prison also a place of work

Oooo now that one will have far-reaching consquences :idea: - this is one area I'd be very very interested to hear about if anyone's in the know (by pm if dont want to make it public ) wink

I'd imagine there will be some loophole or opt-out claus for prison staff dunno

....tobacco in prison is far more than just something you smoke, its currency. Quite how the ban will impact under the 'place of work' claus, I have no idea :shock:

31 May 2007

Quote by Darkfire

But isnt a prison also a place of work

Oooo now that one will have far-reaching consquences :idea:
Dark, are you online from *inside*?....
need some snout?
lp

31 May 2007

shhhhhh Lp, ffs!
round the back, 5 mins, double bubble, ok? wink

31 May 2007

Quote by Darkfire
shhhhhh Lp, ffs!
round the back, 5 mins, double bubble, ok?

in the workshop... never suspect... non smoking area and all that.
lp

1 Jun 2007

Quote by Mallock2006

Prisoners are allowed to smoke because a prison is classed as their home, anyone is allowed to smoke inside their home within the legislation.

But isnt a prison also a place of work confused

Prison is a place of work......therefore the prison officers can not smoke inside a building. However, for the prisoners it is their home so they can smoke.
It is the same principal as your own home. If you brought someone to work in your home e.g. a plumber, it becomes their place of work but it is primarily your home. Therefore the law does not apply.
For the House of Commons and Lords, the buildings are Palaces. These are defined as residencies so the legislation does not apply.
This exemption also applies to designated hotel bedrooms. You can still smoke in them as they are classed as a temporary residence. Next munch is being held in Room 101 of the local Travelodge lol

Dave_Notts

1 Jun 2007

Quote by Dave__Notts

Prisoners are allowed to smoke because a prison is classed as their home, anyone is allowed to smoke inside their home within the legislation.

But isnt a prison also a place of work confused

Prison is a place of work......therefore the prison officers can not smoke inside a building. However, for the prisoners it is their home so they can smoke.
I'd imagine then, that smoking will be allowed in cells, not landings/worshops/canteen or communal areas dunno

(personal interest, sorry lol

)

This exemption also applies to designated hotel bedrooms. You can still smoke in them as they are classed as a temporary residence. Next munch is being held in Room 101 of the local Travelodge :lol:
Dave_Notts

ahhhhhhh now that is good to know :thumbup: So, I can still hook up with me pals in the hotel bedroom :rascal:, I just dont go to the venue itself unless there's a discreet outdoor area where us smokers will congregate and get to know each other better - and probably strike up more conversation with people than inside biggrin

:lol:

1 Jun 2007

I suspect, as I don't know, that prisons have designated areas already.
Probably it will run along the lines of a hotel where the bedrooms can have smoking but not communual areas.
Put it this way.......who in their right mind would try to enforce this in strangeways.....I wouldn't think the Local Authority would want to go check anyway.
Dave_Notts

2 Jun 2007

Quote by Darkfire
ahhhhhhh now that is good to know :thumbup: So, I can still hook up with me pals in the hotel bedroom :rascal:, I just dont go to the venue itself unless there's a discreet outdoor area where us smokers will congregate and get to know each other better - and probably strike up more conversation with people than inside

Can you seriously not go a few hours without a fag? I managed it when I was smoking when I visited relatives who dont have smoking on thier property. If someone would have told me I could never have had one again that might have been a different matter but 2-6 hours without one wasent a problem to me.
Would be good to have the discreet outdoor area :smug: Love to hear all the munchers coughing rigerously when someone tells a funny joke :lol2:

2 Jun 2007

Quote by tweeky
Can you seriously not go a few hours without a fag? I managed it when I was smoking when I visited relatives who dont have smoking on thier property. If someone would have told me I could never have had one again that might have been a different matter but 2-6 hours without one wasent a problem to me.

point being Tweeky, it matters not whether I could, the ban is being imposed on me, I have no say in it at all, so actually how long I could go without a fag is irrelevant - if I go out socially, I cant smoke full stop. dunno

2 Jun 2007

To be honest it's really not that bad, certainly not for me. I smoked outside when I lived with my parents and when I moved into my flat the novelty of being able to smoke inside wore off pretty quick. I hang out the window so that my place doesn't stink of stale smoke.
I like the novelty of smoking in the pub when I got to munches down south but when I come home it doesn't really bother me at all. All the smokers are hanging about outside (which personally I don't think looks very good) but you talk to people you wouldn't necessarily approach in the pub - certainly pulling potential! wink

Most pubs have made the effort to provide some sort of area outside and all the beer gardens have been done up and have these outdoor heaters and big umbrellas for when it rains. The summer is fine, the winter is a bit bleak but for the time it takes to have a ciggie it's not really that much of a pain. You smoke less and that can only be a good thing.
Smoking, Edinburgh biggrin

6 Jun 2007

well looks like were gona stop, i needs to anyway as were havin a baby due in 4 months. i dont agree with it but i think it is a good idea, i think it will stop alot of people from smoking,
i certainly wont want to go outside 4 a quick smoke especially when its raining n cold grrr