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Stephen Fry on BBC2~living with Manic Depression

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There is the first part of a two part programme on BBC2 about living with the illness commonly known as Manic Depression (aka bipolar disorder).
Some famous people are speaking about living with and being diagnosed with the illness.
Just wondered if anyone else was watching it?

kiss Gem. x
I'm glued to it just now, will chat about it once its finshed xx
I'm recording it. Thought I'd watch it when I was less wel.... depressed.
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I'm recording it. Thought I'd watch it when I was less wel.... depressed.

fluck I so wanted to see that, any chance of a copy?
Well, some of the statistics were quite shocking... such as the most common cause of death in post natal women is suicide. :shock: Quite shocking really.
I watched this programme to find out more about how folk are diagnosed and how they live with it on a day to day basis. One poor woman took out her pill box and showed him how many she had to take in a day... I reckon there were about ten in each compartment and can't express how lucky I feel not to have to take that every single day just to feel almost normal.
I found an interview with Stephen Fry about the documentary on the BBC website ( ) of which this part struck me...
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Q: Why did you make the programme?
Stephen: I'm in a rare and privileged position of being able to help address the whole business of stigma, and why it is that the rest of society finds it so easy to wrinkle their noses, cross over, or block their ears when confronted with an illness of the mind and of the mood - especially when we reach out with such sympathy towards diseases of the liver or other organs that don't affect who we are and how we feel in quite such devastating complexity.

I thought how true this was of my own behaviour towards people in the past, how sympathy is easier to give when there is something physical to focus the attention on. How easy it is to ask the progress of a broken bone is... because it's tangeable, it's seen, visual and can see the mending of it through x-ray and mobility.
kiss Gem. x
It was an excellent programme and the second part is next week.
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I thought how true this was of my own behaviour towards people in the past, how sympathy is easier to give when there is something physical to focus the attention on. How easy it is to ask the progress of a broken bone is... because it's tangeable, it's seen, visual and can see the mending of it through x-ray and mobility.
kiss Gem. x

It's because it is so far removed from normal experience as to be unimaginable. It is a lack of comprehension rather than lack of sympathy. Clinical depression is a black hole that is light years away from most people's experience of 'feeling down', so people without the experience don't understand how totally debilitating it is and think that 'pulling yourself together' should work and can't understand why it doesn't.
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It was an excellent programme and the second part is next week.
I thought how true this was of my own behaviour towards people in the past, how sympathy is easier to give when there is something physical to focus the attention on. How easy it is to ask the progress of a broken bone is... because it's tangeable, it's seen, visual and can see the mending of it through x-ray and mobility.
kiss Gem. x

It's because it is so far removed from normal experience as to be unimaginable. It is a lack of comprehension rather than lack of sympathy. Clinical depression is a black hole that is light years away from most people's experience of 'feeling down', so people without the experience don't understand how totally debilitating it is and think that 'pulling yourself together' should work and can't understand why it doesn't.
It's a horrible disease to live with, there are no outwould signs, nothing you can put a plaster on to make better, there's no root cause and no helping someone who doesn't want ot be helped. The stigma attatched to mental health doesn't help because people are less likely to admit the problem. Wish I'd caught the program.
H.x
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It's a horrible disease to live with, there are no outwould signs, nothing you can put a plaster on to make better

Brilliant way of putting it H biggrin I have suffered from depression now for 3 years or more a multitude of things in my early adult life caused it (we think) but now all is fine in my life so you would think it has gone away.........nope its still here.........though by no means as bad as it was. I refuse to take the prozac prescribed as they play havoc with other medication I take from time to time and balencing out the 2 is a nightmare.
It is a strange thing that catches me out when it rears it head one day I am fine and can be for weeks then all of a sudden something just switches nothing has caused it.........it just does.
I had my first bad case in a while the other week and the first PK has experienced in person and I have to say she was a rock kiss for no reason I got up and just felt like shit all I did that day was sit curled up on the sofa sometimes with tears rolling down my cheeks for no reason..........try as I might I could not come up with a reason why I was down I just was there is no changeing it when it strikes it strikes.
Spike Milligan suffered and he just locked him self away for days from all around him even loved ones when he was suffering and I often find myself the same.......I have been known when I suffered from it worse to cut my family out of my life completely for months.
I have only just finished work and sadly missed the programme, so if anyone knows when or if it is repeated will you please PM me :D
Cor Sheddy I thought for a minute you were describing me :shock: I am unable to shut out the world so to speak because of my responsibilities with the kids but when I feel myself starting to fall it gets tough sad
Sheddy have you tried Sertraline?? It is not an addictive anti-depressant and was very effective for me smile
I wish I had known it was on, but it is unlikely I would have got round to watching it tonight due to circumstances out of my control :lol2: I didn't even get to have my Lush bath as I had planned :(
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It's a horrible disease to live with, there are no outwould signs, nothing you can put a plaster on to make better

Brilliant way of putting it H biggrin I have suffered from depression now for 3 years or more a multitude of things in my early adult life caused it (we think) but now all is fine in my life so you would think it has gone away.........nope its still here.........though by no means as bad as it was. I refuse to take the prozac prescribed as they play havoc with other medication I take from time to time and balencing out the 2 is a nightmare.
It is a strange thing that catches me out when it rears it head one day I am fine and can be for weeks then all of a sudden something just switches nothing has caused it.........it just does.
I had my first bad case in a while the other week and the first PK has experienced in person and I have to say she was a rock kiss for no reason I got up and just felt like shit all I did that day was sit curled up on the sofa sometimes with tears rolling down my cheeks for no reason..........try as I might I could not come up with a reason why I was down I just was there is no changeing it when it strikes it strikes.
Spike Milligan suffered and he just locked him self away for days from all around him even loved ones when he was suffering and I often find myself the same.......I have been known when I suffered from it worse to cut my family out of my life completely for months.
I have only just finished work and sadly missed the programme, so if anyone knows when or if it is repeated will you please PM me :D
It was good Sheddy - but I kinda feel pretty down after watching it confused
Although at the moment, I'm not in the best mind to watch things like that - going through anxiety attacks (which I think is a kind of offshoot thing to depression). Same thing as you Sheddy, but I don't get down, I get extremely anxious and worried for absolutely no reason, the whole butterfly thing and it doesn't go away.
I'm going though the mourning process at the mo - from what I've read of that I'm pretty text book and should reach acceptance eventually. Knowing the trigger has helped me loads, so I try to just ride it out (which ain't a nice thing when in the middle of anxiety).
What has got me down about the program tho - is that it's made me realise that I'm prone to this when things get hard going. I don't take medication for it (not since the post natal thing a few years ago), but I worry that it will get worse and maybe the triggers will get more trivial........... but there again, I shouldn't be thinking about stuff like that right now, not when I'm in the middle of the mourning thing, cos I don't have the ability to think outside the box at the mo. Maybe the triggers won't get more trivial, I don't think I've realised just how much of a head fuck the mourning thing is....... in time I hope I'll be able to look back on it in more of a detached way and understand my feelings a bit more.
Hmmmm, coming out a bit scrambled there, sorry redface Tis difficult writing down feelings, even though I know the reason behind the anxiety, it doesn't help get rid of it.... and certainly doesn't help me question it to myself constantly :?
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Sheddy have you tried Sertraline?? It is not an addictive anti-depressant and was very effective for me smile

Hijack in mind I'll be brief biggrin it's not a case of it being addivtive I have to be aware of.....due to a life long mild illness I have to take Beta Blockers to function at times and these work by slowing down my heart rate and nervous system (er thats the way I see it any Doctors please feel free to correct me) so they are a downer do to speak whilst anti depressants are an upper...........the 2 I am prescribed are compatable but it's a case of taking more or less Beta's to get a happy medium which is perfectley acceptable in Medical terms but a right royal pain in the arse to get right lol
Bollox sorry all wrong account.....PK has just posted and I forgot to log in/out SHEDDY
Got ya :thumbup: kiss
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Although at the moment, I'm not in the best mind to watch things like that - going through anxiety attacks (which I think is a kind of offshoot thing to depression). Same thing as you Sheddy, but I don't get down, I get extremely anxious and worried for absolutely no reason, the whole butterfly thing and it doesn't go away.

Now as far as I'm concerned the more people know about it the more it will be understood so I'm more than happy to put it in public biggrin
I suffer from anxiety attacks and have always been a worrier (spelling dunno) the reason I was supposed to have given up driving trucks was that all that time on my own staring at the road led my mind to play over time.......the slightest thing that was of no importance would be a huge issue after worrying about it over a 4 hour journey. If I left a depot and I knew 4 or 5 hours down the road I had a tight yard to get into or a blind side reverse when I got there I would spend the entire journey worrying about it.....9 times out of 10 when I got there everything went fine and there was no need to worry but the stress it caused during the journey had a longer lasting effect :D
WOW!
I've really apriciated reading all this...........I missed the program but I'm sure it wil be repeated........
thank you to the people who have shared how they feel...........it realy helps me to understand the situations I find myself in at times.......
i'm tired but i'll come back to this one later............. lol
Crap ! I missed this and I really wanted to see it too banghead
One of my best mates suffers with bipolar and although very few people in his circle of friends know about his illness, he has talked very openly and honestly about it with me. The fact that he attempted suicide twice in his 20s, received very little support from his parents and is still here to tell the tale shows a strength of character for which I admire him greatly.
It's left him with a legacy of erratic mood swings, insomnia and having to rely on medication probably for the rest of his life. With all that going on, he was there for me when my marriage broke up and was a rock when I went through my darkest days and is still encouraging me to move forward in my own life. He's also sworn to be on hand when my son has his own dark days brought on by bullying in school.
Now that's what I call a best mate and I love him dearly for it.
kiss
Hi just felt I ought to have an input with this one.
I have suffered from anxiety attacks since being a teenager and have tried most things to stop it. Have had all of the classic lifetime events listed in the stress and anxiety cause list so in a way it's not surprising I suppose and I always believed it was because of this that I get them and the accompanying depression. However I have discovered over the last 10 years that in fact I have a deficiency in the hormone seratonin. I was prescribed sertraline about 8 years ago and took them for 6 months and they worked like a miracle. I then did'nt need them again until about a year ago when slowly I had worked up to the anxiety again to a level I could'nt cope with. SO back to docs, back on the sertraline and hey presto fine again.
I have also suffered from PND and that was certainly no picnic and the only way I got out of that one was going back to work!
Anyway I have heartfelt sympathy for anyone suffering from stress, depression and anxiety. It's awful, controls your life and the lives of those around you.
Love
FIRE xx
Most people on here know that I have Aspergers Syndrome, but I was actually miss-diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder when I was around 15. Luckily for me that hadn't decided what dose of Lithium I should be on before they decided to rethink their original diagnosis. confused
When I think back knowing that I have Autism (albeit mild) and people were so perplexed and unable to help me I ended up in a psychiatric hospital when I was only 18, I just can't get my head around it even all these years later.
It's always astounded me how little GPs (and a lot of other people) know about mental health issues and the stigma attached to them. I was pushed from pillar to post with no real help actually forthcoming, it was more like I was this curious specimen that should be studied as Aspergers is quite rare in females.
Anyway to cut a long story short getting diagnosed with AS is the best thing that has ever happened to me. I could research it, help myself and tell others how to help me. I live a 90% 'normal' life with a full time job etc. And not forgetting that some of the extra abilities AS has gifted me have allowed me to experience other things like being a full-time musician etc.
My heart goes out to anyone who has suffered or is suffering any kind of psychological problem, and their friends and families who try to help but feel they are alone and talking to a brick wall. It sounds corny but I am living proof that there is, and can be life after mental illness.
I haven't watched the program yet.
I suffer from depression and have done for years. In some ways I have learnt to cope and spot the signs of it coming on, I have various coping strategies that can reduce the effect of eliminate it entirely.
I know what I suffer with is not that extreme but it is not just a case of pulling myself together and it is very much a black hole you can disappear into. I used to go days without wanting to talk to people. I have been given tablet by my doctor that help but I try to avoid using them as they effect my sex drive. Not that it is used much now but I like the idea of it being there if I need it.
The cycle that leads to the black hole is easy to spot, but when it happens you not in the best frame of mind to make those kinds of decisions. Tiredness followed by not been able to sleep, leading to introspection leading to tiredness and so on....
Want to finish with something positive but I can't really think of anything. I hate it but I've learnt to live with it.
I just want to offer anyone who has suffered or that lives with someone that does suffer a massive hug
Aw Dawnie that made me smile this morning. Thank you.
H.x
If you missed it, try
There are clips & links galore. Part two is next week, and Im sure it will be repeated soon.
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I now that what I'm about to write is a bit grim, well very grim actually but here goes...
Suicide is an outcome to many cases of extreme prolonged depression. If you haven't been there you need to understand it. I read an interesting article on the web for students that I could really relate to.
It was saying that many depressed people choose suicide notas a choice to end it all but an opportunity to have a break from the pain they are feeling. I know I have felt like that. Ifg I had a switch that could turn my head off for a while then on occasions I know I would use it.
I love life and being me and being here but I've come to terms that at some point in the future I may well commit suicide. God knows I don't want to feel that bad but accepting it has brought me some inner peace.
As I said a bit grim but I feel better for sharing it even if I haven't explained it very well. So forgive my poor writing and try to understand the point I'm making.
It's great to see this subject has attracted so much interest.
I felt that the program was great but noticed that it didn't articulate between manic depression (Bi-Polar) and standard depression.
I hope people haven't been mislead to believe that all depressed people have these manic periods when they are super confident, energetic which allows them to achieve great things.
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... have these manic periods when they are super confident, energetic which allows them to achieve great things.

The manic periods can sometimes be as destructive as the depression if the mania is not mediated, even though it might feel nowhere near as bad as the depression. There are cases where people have got into huge debt, often resulting in house repossession and bankruptcy, through massive spending during their manic phases. Mood stabilisers help reduce the peaks and troughs of emotion but balancing the medication seems to be an art rather than a science. However, maintaining some level of medication, even when feeling well, would seem to help avoid a recurrence of the depression.
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... have these manic periods when they are super confident, energetic which allows them to achieve great things.

The manic periods can sometimes be as destructive as the depression if the mania is not mediated, even though it might feel nowhere near as bad as the depression. There are cases where people have got into huge debt, often resulting in house repossession and bankruptcy, through massive spending during their manic phases.
I agree, northwest. It's during these peaks when manics are just as vunerable, sometimes doing things like driving too fast, acting reckless and taking drugs. My mate described these peaks as feeling as though he's invinsible and on such a non drug-induced high that he almost feels immortal, hence the lack of fear when driving etc.
The plus side, as Chris pointed out, was getting on with jobs that would normally be put off. In one of his peaktimes, I've seen my mate assemble a wardrobe in 5 minutes :shock:
I'm not a big Tele fan so didn't know that this was on, if I had I would have watched it with interest as I have Bipolar disorder.
I was a little reluctant to post in this thread because its like admitting to a fault in your head & I've got to admit some people are very wary of anyone with any faults (although no one is perfect!) especially faults of a mental kind.
At the moment I'm not feeling too great & doing my best to fight the feeling of locking myself away from the world, I find the PC a great help.
For anyone who doesnt know what it is ....
What Are the Symptoms of Bipolar Disorder?
Bipolar disorder causes dramatic mood swings from overly "high" and/or irritable to sad and hopeless, and then back again, often with periods of normal mood in between. Severe changes in energy and behavior go along with these changes in mood. The periods of highs and lows are called episodes of mania and depression.
Signs and symptoms of mania (or a manic episode) include:
• Increased energy, activity, and restlessness
• Excessively "high," overly good, euphoric mood
• Extreme irritability
• Racing thoughts and talking very fast, jumping from one idea to another
• Distractibility, can't concentrate well
• Little sleep needed
• Unrealistic beliefs in one's abilities and powers
• Poor judgment
• Spending sprees
• A lasting period of behavior that is different from usual
• Increased sexual drive
• Abuse of drugs, particularly cocaine, alcohol, and sleeping medications
• Provocative, intrusive, or aggressive behavior
• Denial that anything is wrong
A manic episode is diagnosed if elevated mood occurs with three or more of the other symptoms most of the day, nearly every day, for 1 week or longer. If the mood is irritable, four additional symptoms must be present.
Signs and symptoms of depression (or a depressive episode) include:
• Lasting sad, anxious, or empty mood
• Feelings of hopelessness or pessimism
• Feelings of guilt, worthlessness, or helplessness
• Loss of interest or pleasure in activities once enjoyed, including sex
• Decreased energy, a feeling of fatigue or of being "slowed down"
• Difficulty concentrating, remembering, making decisions
• Restlessness or irritability
• Sleeping too much, or can't sleep
• Change in appetite and/or unintended weight loss or gain
• Chronic pain or other persistent bodily symptoms that are not caused by physical illness or injury
• Thoughts of death or suicide, or suicide attempts
Do Other Illnesses Co-occur with Bipolar Disorder?
Alcohol and drug abuse are very common among people with bipolar disorder. Research findings suggest that many factors may contribute to these substance abuse problems, including self-medication of symptoms, mood symptoms either brought on or perpetuated by substance abuse, and risk factors that may influence the occurrence of both bipolar disorder and substance use Treatment for co-occurring substance abuse, when present, is an important part of the overall treatment plan.
Anxiety disorders, such as post-traumatic stress disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder, also may be common in people with bipolar ,26 Co-occurring anxiety disorders may respond to the treatments used for bipolar disorder, or they may require separate treatment.
I'm also a recovering alcoholic
Don't get me wrong - I have met people that are in a manic phase and I know how destructive it can get and how they don't realise how out of touch with reality that they actually are.
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I'm not a big Tele fan so didn't know that this was on, if I had I would have watched it with interest as I have Bipolar disorder.
I was a little reluctant to post in this thread because its like admitting to a fault in your head & I've got to admit some people are very wary of anyone with any faults (although no one is perfect!) especially faults of a mental kind.
At the moment I'm not feeling too great & doing my best to fight the feeling of locking myself away from the world, I find the PC a great help.
For anyone who doesnt know what it is ....
What Are the Symptoms of Bipolar Disorder?
Bipolar disorder causes dramatic mood swings from overly "high" and/or irritable to sad and hopeless, and then back again, often with periods of normal mood in between. Severe changes in energy and behavior go along with these changes in mood. The periods of highs and lows are called episodes of mania and depression.
Signs and symptoms of mania (or a manic episode) include:
• Increased energy, activity, and restlessness
• Excessively "high," overly good, euphoric mood
• Extreme irritability
• Racing thoughts and talking very fast, jumping from one idea to another
• Distractibility, can't concentrate well
• Little sleep needed
• Unrealistic beliefs in one's abilities and powers
• Poor judgment
• Spending sprees
• A lasting period of behavior that is different from usual
• Increased sexual drive
• Abuse of drugs, particularly cocaine, alcohol, and sleeping medications
• Provocative, intrusive, or aggressive behavior
• Denial that anything is wrong
A manic episode is diagnosed if elevated mood occurs with three or more of the other symptoms most of the day, nearly every day, for 1 week or longer. If the mood is irritable, four additional symptoms must be present.
Signs and symptoms of depression (or a depressive episode) include:
• Lasting sad, anxious, or empty mood
• Feelings of hopelessness or pessimism
• Feelings of guilt, worthlessness, or helplessness
• Loss of interest or pleasure in activities once enjoyed, including sex
• Decreased energy, a feeling of fatigue or of being "slowed down"
• Difficulty concentrating, remembering, making decisions
• Restlessness or irritability
• Sleeping too much, or can't sleep
• Change in appetite and/or unintended weight loss or gain
• Chronic pain or other persistent bodily symptoms that are not caused by physical illness or injury
• Thoughts of death or suicide, or suicide attempts
Do Other Illnesses Co-occur with Bipolar Disorder?
Alcohol and drug abuse are very common among people with bipolar disorder. Research findings suggest that many factors may contribute to these substance abuse problems, including self-medication of symptoms, mood symptoms either brought on or perpetuated by substance abuse, and risk factors that may influence the occurrence of both bipolar disorder and substance use Treatment for co-occurring substance abuse, when present, is an important part of the overall treatment plan.
Anxiety disorders, such as post-traumatic stress disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder, also may be common in people with bipolar ,26 Co-occurring anxiety disorders may respond to the treatments used for bipolar disorder, or they may require separate treatment.
I'm also a recovering alcoholic

kiss :therethere: :rose:
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FIRE xxx
Thanks FIRE biggrin
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I have Bipolar disorder......
I'm also a recovering alcoholic

And you are also a very lovely person :thumbup: kiss
Fee
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