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STOP the Steath!
Quote by Sarah
As I said yesterday in another thread, cammers always have the option of turning off their cams..............ops are always in sleath mode anyway...................
Stealth mode?
Dont have one of those.... :shock:
With regards to Admin not responding yet....to be fair, even they cant be on here all of the time.....Im only here a lot because I dont have a job at the moment, and Im an insomniac.....
This is what i just don't get....
Let's say that stealth wasn't available....
You have your cam on and you can see in the room there are 3 people you actually know, 4 people who have usernames you recognise and there are none of the people you specifically don't want to watch you in the room - so you keep your cam on and can see who has the little eye symbol on.
One of the usernames you recognise is BOB6996 (for example) who has always been polite and well behaved when you are camming - his little eye symbol is on. Not a problem - he is not one of your specific people you don't want to watch. Though BOB6996 is actually a 17 year old lad with his mates around - one of which goes to college with your son/nephew.
BOB6996 is always well behaved as he is too busy extracting your cam footage and either selecting stills to use as wallpaper on mobile phones and selling your little cam show to all of his mates to watch at their leisure and even download on to their phones to show at the college.
How did the little eye symbol protect you?
Or....
If someone you didn't want to watch was in the room - would you not avoid doing anything you didn't want them to see anyway - just in case their little eye symbol did come on? If that is so - then nothing has changed. You have to assume anyone in the room (or about to come in to the room) is watching because it is only one click and they will/could be.
Let's say that stealth wasn't available....
You have your cam on and you can see in the room there are 3 people you actually know, 4 people who have usernames you recognise and there are none of the people you specifically don't want to watch you in the room - so you keep your cam on and can see who has the little eye symbol on.
One of the usernames you recognise is BOB6996 (for example) who has always been polite and well behaved when you are camming - his little eye symbol is on. Not a problem - he is not one of your specific people you don't want to watch. Though BOB6996 is actually a 17 year old lad with his mates around - one of which goes to college with your son/nephew.
BOB6996 is always well behaved as he is too busy extracting your cam footage and either selecting stills to use as wallpaper on mobile phones and selling your little cam show to all of his mates to watch at their leisure and even download on to their phones to show at the college.
How did the little eye symbol protect you?
Or....
If someone you didn't want to watch was in the room - would you not avoid doing anything you didn't want them to see anyway - just in case their little eye symbol did come on? If that is so - then nothing has changed. You have to assume anyone in the room (or about to come in to the room) is watching because it is only one click and they will/could be.
Sex God
i have voted to stop it, as i find the whole idea of it more than a bit creepy.
it will DEF make us think harder about if we ever want our cam on.
however, if we ARE stuck with it, then i CAN see one positive.
sometimes when we go into the chatrooms and flick through the cams at the top, you never know who is going to be on cam, a cpls symbol might be a single guy, a fems symbol might be a syngle guy and a single guys symbol - well .......... its prob a single guy!
anyway, that means that we normally flick through all of them to see who is actually on.
sometimes you click on what you think is a cpl, and its a man alone having a wank.
its often the case that they see they "eye" pop up, and they take this as consent to them whispering you.
i guess having the stealth mode would stop them seeing you look at them, and assuming arongly you want to chat.
it will DEF make us think harder about if we ever want our cam on.
however, if we ARE stuck with it, then i CAN see one positive.
sometimes when we go into the chatrooms and flick through the cams at the top, you never know who is going to be on cam, a cpls symbol might be a single guy, a fems symbol might be a syngle guy and a single guys symbol - well .......... its prob a single guy!
anyway, that means that we normally flick through all of them to see who is actually on.
sometimes you click on what you think is a cpl, and its a man alone having a wank.
its often the case that they see they "eye" pop up, and they take this as consent to them whispering you.
i guess having the stealth mode would stop them seeing you look at them, and assuming arongly you want to chat.
I voted to stop the stealth facility. Because most people don't want it and they're getting upset about it. So that's not good.
However, I don't think its a problem as anyone can come into the site and be stealthy in all that they do. An accomplished stealth operator could make friends have sex etc.
It does offer another source of income for the site.
However, I don't think its a problem as anyone can come into the site and be stealthy in all that they do. An accomplished stealth operator could make friends have sex etc.
It does offer another source of income for the site.
Quote by duncanlondon
However, I don't think its a problem as anyone can come into the site and be stealthy in all that they do. An accomplished stealth operator could make friends have sex etc.
How
Quote by duncanlondon
It does offer another source of income for the site.
Again.....How :dunno:
Quote by Steve_Mids
However, I don't think its a problem as anyone can come into the site and be stealthy in all that they do. An accomplished stealth operator could make friends have sex etc.
How
Quote by duncanlondon
It does offer another source of income for the site.
Again.....How :dunno:
I think its possible for someone to operate with a completely false identity. I couldn't do it, but there are some who can. There have been several accounts of people using the identity of famous people and running up huge debts at hotels, restaurants clubs etc.
False identity fraud is one of the biggest crime growth areas at present.
The stealth facility offers a certain amount of anonymity for the voyeur. Which they are obviously willing to pay for.
Sex God
Quote by Sarah
At the moment approx. 70 people have voted in this poll, which is hardly (IMHO) a good repensation of all the peole on this site.
ah . . . but yeah but no but yeah . . . the psephologist in me says that votes that aren't cast don't count. we only count votes that are cast, which is why Labour ended up with a majority in the Commons even though 78% of the electorate didn't vote for 'em!
if it's good enough for Her Majesty's Government, it's good enough for me!
:Pjas, much as i hate to argue with you . . . . no . . . in practical terms, it ain't a biggie? there's a quick and easy solution if you don't like the person in the room who might be watching, specially if stealth is flagged against the user's name? you turn your cam off till they bugger off . . . easy! ;)
but there is a principle here? the principle of consent is one of the biggies . . . honesty ((( where is the honesty in secrecy? ))) openness ((( ditto! ))) discretion ((( doesn't seem to apply? ))) consent? ((( you can't consent to things you don't know about? assuming consent in anything remotely sexual is a bit dangerous? )))
again . . . pololady had a valid point that's hard to disagree with . . . consent is kinda assumed as soon as you turn your cam on in a public room . . . but stealth adds an extra dimension, that is NOT consensual? it's very purpose is to deny consent, by denying the person on cam the knowledge of who is watching ((( as opposed to who might be watching? )))
neil x x x ;)
So is the simple answer then that anyone using stealth has a little S by their name instead of the eye. No-one knows who they are watching but that they are watching. That way those who are uncomfortable with stealth mode had the option to turn their cam off ???
I haven't voted yet ... I've only just started using the cam at home and tbh last night hadn't got a clue who half the people were and was getting a lot of attention from certain individuals.
I agree with Pololady though .. if you put your cam on you don't know half the people so why worry who is watching ... if you're having problems with individuals then report them.
Cx
I haven't voted yet ... I've only just started using the cam at home and tbh last night hadn't got a clue who half the people were and was getting a lot of attention from certain individuals.
I agree with Pololady though .. if you put your cam on you don't know half the people so why worry who is watching ... if you're having problems with individuals then report them.
Cx
Orgasminator
I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick, we might have got the words wrong with Stealth so we are changing the wording but this is what the cam package actually does.
1. If you are an extras member the normal icon that you see will appear as the following
Blue x as a male
Pink x as a female
Half blue and half pink X as a couple
You are always visible and identified by your sex etc by the x the only change here is that rather than have the symbol for ,or couple, you get the coloured x.
2. The extras only lounge is a chat room on server 2 that only extras members and Ops can get it. The same principal as a private room with invites open to extras members.
3. Some of you might realise that when you are on Cam you can see who is watching your cam feed as the male/female icon turns into an eye. The only difference here is that as an extras member you just see the X still.
Extras members cant disappear, they cant get into locked rooms, they cant do anything at all that a normal member cant do. The only differences are what you can see above.
We are changing the description and wording to clarify so this should help, in regard to people viewing you on cam in a public chat room it is not like at the moment people object as they would not do it. Secondly if you did object to people viewing your cam then perhaps it would be time to go into a private room?.
1. If you are an extras member the normal icon that you see will appear as the following
Blue x as a male
Pink x as a female
Half blue and half pink X as a couple
You are always visible and identified by your sex etc by the x the only change here is that rather than have the symbol for ,or couple, you get the coloured x.
2. The extras only lounge is a chat room on server 2 that only extras members and Ops can get it. The same principal as a private room with invites open to extras members.
3. Some of you might realise that when you are on Cam you can see who is watching your cam feed as the male/female icon turns into an eye. The only difference here is that as an extras member you just see the X still.
Extras members cant disappear, they cant get into locked rooms, they cant do anything at all that a normal member cant do. The only differences are what you can see above.
We are changing the description and wording to clarify so this should help, in regard to people viewing you on cam in a public chat room it is not like at the moment people object as they would not do it. Secondly if you did object to people viewing your cam then perhaps it would be time to go into a private room?.
Quote by Martin_M
I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick, we might have got the words wrong with Stealth so we are changing the wording but this is what the cam package actually does.
I would say the horse has bolted...
Quote by Martin_M
3. Some of you might realise that when you are on Cam you can see who is watching your cam feed as the male/female icon turns into an eye. The only difference here is that as an extras member you just see the X still.
Aka Creepy cam
Quote by Martin_M
Secondly if you did object to people viewing your cam then perhaps it would be time to go into a private room?.
Yes, lets further add to the division on the site-good idea.
Quote by Steve_Mids
The stealth facility offers a certain amount of anonymity for the voyeur. Which they are obviously willing to pay for.
But that still doesnt tell me how using stealth can "make friends have sex"...
Okay I think I have confused the word stealth in its meaning of the cam facility and its actual meaning for cunning and deceitful behaviour. So obviously it applies to the person not the process.
Quote by Martin_M
3. Some of you might realise that when you are on Cam you can see who is watching your cam feed as the male/female icon turns into an eye. The only difference here is that as an extras member you just see the X still.
Nicely put Martin but still reads as we can have people watching our cam in a creepy way without us knowing
Why is that going to be a paid option? What is the reasoning other than you know people will pay purposely to be able to perv in secret?
It wasn't that long ago you couldn't have your cam on in the chatroom at all. What was the choice then?
The fact that that facility was given to all members - yet at a cost to someone else seems to have gone unmentioned.
If someone not displaying a little yellow eye helps to keep my membership free, then that is a small price to pay.
The fact that that facility was given to all members - yet at a cost to someone else seems to have gone unmentioned.
If someone not displaying a little yellow eye helps to keep my membership free, then that is a small price to pay.
Sex God
I choose not to cam and have been very very careful about the details I give out after I aquired a bit of a stalker a while back.
Simply answer to if you want to know exactly who is and who isn't watching your cam.. open you own room with a password on it then you let who the hell you want in or out.
Should it have come to this discussion about stealth mode etc??? Probably not as in my opinion goes against what swinging means to me. Each to their own, as they say, but I don't think stealth anything should be allowed.
What next??? Stealth PMs where the member has to pay an extra £30 to see who just sent them a message. The danger is it could all get a bit out of hand and the only people left are the one-hand-wonders. ;)
Gem. x
Simply answer to if you want to know exactly who is and who isn't watching your cam.. open you own room with a password on it then you let who the hell you want in or out.
Should it have come to this discussion about stealth mode etc??? Probably not as in my opinion goes against what swinging means to me. Each to their own, as they say, but I don't think stealth anything should be allowed.
What next??? Stealth PMs where the member has to pay an extra £30 to see who just sent them a message. The danger is it could all get a bit out of hand and the only people left are the one-hand-wonders. ;)
Gem. x
Orgasminator
Just to let you know the "My Video" section is live, once again some will use it and want it some will not!. :therethere:
Orgasminator
We aim to please 
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:Quote by Pushed
Just to let you know the "My Video" section is live, once again some will use it and want it some will not!. :therethere:
Thats totally off topic.... I dont want Steath Cam user watching me - is that an option?
Yes - open a room with a password....
Now I am still waiting to hear a logical answer to this.....
Quote by PoloLady
This is what i just don't get....
Let's say that stealth wasn't available....
You have your cam on and you can see in the room there are 3 people you actually know, 4 people who have usernames you recognise and there are none of the people you specifically don't want to watch you in the room - so you keep your cam on and can see who has the little eye symbol on.
One of the usernames you recognise is BOB6996 (for example) who has always been polite and well behaved when you are camming - his little eye symbol is on. Not a problem - he is not one of your specific people you don't want to watch. Though BOB6996 is actually a 17 year old lad with his mates around - one of which goes to college with your son/nephew.
BOB6996 is always well behaved as he is too busy extracting your cam footage and either selecting stills to use as wallpaper on mobile phones and selling your little cam show to all of his mates to watch at their leisure and even download on to their phones to show at the college.
How did the little eye symbol protect you?
Or....
If someone you didn't want to watch was in the room - would you not avoid doing anything you didn't want them to see anyway - just in case their little eye symbol did come on? If that is so - then nothing has changed. You have to assume anyone in the room (or about to come in to the room) is watching because it is only one click and they will/could be.
Anyone
In my experience password proected rooms rarely open sucessfully - and you will never meet anyone new in them- and I have friends who have friend in other rooms. This is segregating us, removing our fredom of choice and above all its fucking creepy.
No amount of spin is going to stop me hating the Stelth Cam feature.
Get Rid!
:x :x :x :x :x
No amount of spin is going to stop me hating the Stelth Cam feature.
Get Rid!
:x :x :x :x :x Quote by PoloLady
Just to let you know the "My Video" section is live, once again some will use it and want it some will not!. :therethere:
Thats totally off topic.... I dont want Steath Cam user watching me - is that an option?
Yes - open a room with a password....
Now I am still waiting to hear a logical answer to this.....
Quote by PoloLady
This is what i just don't get....
Let's say that stealth wasn't available....
You have your cam on and you can see in the room there are 3 people you actually know, 4 people who have usernames you recognise and there are none of the people you specifically don't want to watch you in the room - so you keep your cam on and can see who has the little eye symbol on.
One of the usernames you recognise is BOB6996 (for example) who has always been polite and well behaved when you are camming - his little eye symbol is on. Not a problem - he is not one of your specific people you don't want to watch. Though BOB6996 is actually a 17 year old lad with his mates around - one of which goes to college with your son/nephew.
BOB6996 is always well behaved as he is too busy extracting your cam footage and either selecting stills to use as wallpaper on mobile phones and selling your little cam show to all of his mates to watch at their leisure and even download on to their phones to show at the college.
How did the little eye symbol protect you?
Or....
If someone you didn't want to watch was in the room - would you not avoid doing anything you didn't want them to see anyway - just in case their little eye symbol did come on? If that is so - then nothing has changed. You have to assume anyone in the room (or about to come in to the room) is watching because it is only one click and they will/could be.
Anyone
OK, so basicly you're saying you're never safe on the internet - what a revolation!!
The problem is you are encouraging users to become the stereotypical internet stalker by making this so easy for people. I cam with people I can trust and see.
Whats next? you gonna add your own record button? I cant deny that screen capturing probably goes on, and some people either dont know about it or don't care. Why make it easy for these people?
Sex God
He has a good and vaild point.
there are plenty of specialised camming sites for this and to my mind, what has it really got to do with swinging?
Making it easier for people to not be seen isn't really in with the open ethos most swingers adopt.
there are plenty of specialised camming sites for this and to my mind, what has it really got to do with swinging?
Making it easier for people to not be seen isn't really in with the open ethos most swingers adopt.
Sex God
Quote by Pushed
OK, so basicly you're saying you're never safe on the internet - what a revolation!!
The problem is you are encouraging users to become the stereotypical internet stalker by making this so easy for people. I cam with people I can trust and see.
Whats next? you gonna add your own record button? I cant deny that screen capturing probably goes on, and some people either dont know about it or don't care. Why make it easy for these people?
i have to agree . . . 100% ;) i STILL haven't seen a reason why this is a good idea? well done martin_m for coming into the thread, but you were talking about practicalities, rather than issues?
polo . . . you probably won't get a logical answer, because logic tells you this ain't a big deal? it's workable? blah blah yadda yadda ya . . . .
you WILL get emotive answers though, precisely cos it's an emotive subject? it's emotive, cos it's about a principle that some here clearly feel strongly about? the objections about practical ways around it do NOT answer the objections on principle?
that doesn't mean, that just cos the answers are emotive, rather than logical, that several pages of argument from nay sayers are dismissable as emotive?
neil x x x ;)
Quote by Pushed
OK, so basicly you're saying you're never safe on the internet - what a revolation!!
The problem is you are encouraging users to become the stereotypical internet stalker by making this so easy for people. I cam with people I can trust and see.
How do you trust a username set up with a addy? Afterall did you not imply you like being in open rooms so you can chat to new people too?
Quote by Pushed
Why make it easy for these people?
It is already as easy as it can be - I fail to see how someone having to give credit card details and pay (rather than just making up a account) makes it easier.
It may well be a creepy thought and people keep using the 'stalker' excuse - but if camming in the chatroom is already encouraging stalkers - by that same logic then it would be better to get rid of the camming altogether.
You have to make a choice - either you welcome everyone being able to see (even though some will be total strangers who you know nothing about or who they actually are) - or you want to be selective (in which case you have the option to go into private rooms.)
