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Quote by BjBri69
Essentially tho how I think we are all trying to say that labels do not matter.
Wrong, to some they do..
What a label meens to each individual is a personal thing and you shouldn't try to change others feelings on what this is.
For personal reasons, a persons sexuality is one of the factors we look for when thinking of meeting.
Tony
Tony ur rite - I shouldn't have made the assumption on behalf of everyone since to some, labels are important. And your point about a labels meaning bieng individual to different poeple was what I was trying to advocate in the first place. I guess they're seen as a necessity to some, an necessary evil by others and ignored by other too. Be who u want to be lol
Your either 100% straight or 100% gay anything in-between can be regarded as bi. Whether we like labels or not it doesn’t really matter they are there for a reason just like girl and boy are labels but would you call your girl a boy?
I personally think labels can be important, especially so on a site like this, where people do have preferences, for example if someone only plays with straight males and the straight male likes a bit of cock every so often and says he straight would that be ok? Personally my take on it is they are lying and not just to themselves but to potential partners.
Interesting thread by the way.
I personally think labels can be important, especially so on a site like this, where people do have preferences, for example if someone only plays with straight males and the straight male likes a bit of cock every so often and says he straight would that be ok? Personally my take on it is they are lying and not just to themselves but to potential partners.
Interesting thread by the way.
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Quote by Fun Scottish Couple
Your either 100% straight or 100% gay
If thats all there is then there is no bi,bi-curious,bi-friendly
Quote by Mallock2006
Your either 100% straight or 100% gay
If thats all there is then there is no bi,bi-curious,bi-friendly
If you quote their full sentence then they clearly say that there is bi etc.
Quote by Fun Scottish Couple
Your either 100% straight or 100% gay anything in-between can be regarded as bi.
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Quote by northwest-cpl
Your either 100% straight or 100% gay
If thats all there is then there is no bi,bi-curious,bi-friendly
If you quote their full sentence then they clearly say that there is bi etc.
Quote by Fun Scottish Couple
Your either 100% straight or 100% gay anything in-between can be regarded as bi.
hmmmm.... yeah, I'd spotted that bit of judicious editing myself!!
Still, keeps us all posting!!
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Quote by Fun Scottish Couple
Your either 100% straight or 100% gay
If thats all there is then there is no bi,bi-curious,bi-friendly
what was wrong with quoting the full sentence? I could have swore i wrote anything in between can be regarded as bi. :thrilled:
You did but how can you be 100% one thing or 100% another and still have variations inbetween ????
Its like saying the bus will either be on time or it will be early....
Anything other than that it will be late...
Sex God
Quote by northwest-cpl
Your either 100% straight or 100% gay
If thats all there is then there is no bi,bi-curious,bi-friendly
If you quote their full sentence then they clearly say that there is bi etc.
Quote by Fun Scottish Couple
Your either 100% straight or 100% gay anything in-between can be regarded as bi.
See above
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Quote by noladreams30
Your either 100% straight or 100% gay
If thats all there is then there is no bi,bi-curious,bi-friendly
If you quote their full sentence then they clearly say that there is bi etc.
Quote by Fun Scottish Couple
Your either 100% straight or 100% gay anything in-between can be regarded as bi.
hmmmm.... yeah, I'd spotted that bit of judicious editing myself!!
Still, keeps us all posting!!
I'll be sure to keep my eye on your quotes in the future as well :thumbup:
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Quote by Mallock2006
I'll be sure to keep my eye on your quotes in the future as well :thumbup:
Least it'll mean someone is reading them!!!
Noladreams30 xxx
I think this thread has gone beyond the original question, so I'm going to comment on the wider issue:
The labels we use for sexuality are 'socially constructed' that is to say that they are defined by the accepted norms of sexual behaviours prevalent in a 'society', or social group, in the context of the prevailing sexual mores of the time. i.e. the meaning behind the label will change through historical time, dependant on what is widely accepted as 'normal' behaviour.
Whilst labels in themselves may not be particularly harmful per se (as they give us all a helpful shorthand to be used to convey meaning and understanding), there is a tendency for labels to be used in ordering social hierarchy.
This can become problematic - especially if one persons use of a label is different to the meaning to be conveyed by another's use of the same label.
The assertion made above that someone is either 100% straight or 100% gay and anything else in between is bi, would seem to me to be a gross oversimplification of the issue.
So here a few questions to mull over .................
Is someone who only partakes in heterosexual activity, but has fantasies and dreams of sexual play including members of the same sex, 100% straight?
To follow some religious teachings -it is just as much a sin to have a sinful thought as it is to do a sinful deed - the corollary here is even to think or fantasise about same gender sexual play is the same as partaking in it.
Are some long term inmates of HM Prisons straight when they go in, gay whilst inside, and straight again on release? (and would you like to discuss the point with them?)
Soldiers in the armies of the Greek city states in ancient times were actively encouraged to 'love' each other - both physically and emotionally - as it was thought that the bonds between them would then strengthen their resolve to defend their brothers in arms. On return home after military campaigns, soldiers would then return to their wives and families. Would this make them situationally gay/bi?
(as an aside this practice is why anal sex between men used to referred to as 'Greek love').
The labels we use for sexuality are 'socially constructed' that is to say that they are defined by the accepted norms of sexual behaviours prevalent in a 'society', or social group, in the context of the prevailing sexual mores of the time. i.e. the meaning behind the label will change through historical time, dependant on what is widely accepted as 'normal' behaviour.
Whilst labels in themselves may not be particularly harmful per se (as they give us all a helpful shorthand to be used to convey meaning and understanding), there is a tendency for labels to be used in ordering social hierarchy.
This can become problematic - especially if one persons use of a label is different to the meaning to be conveyed by another's use of the same label.
The assertion made above that someone is either 100% straight or 100% gay and anything else in between is bi, would seem to me to be a gross oversimplification of the issue.
So here a few questions to mull over .................
Is someone who only partakes in heterosexual activity, but has fantasies and dreams of sexual play including members of the same sex, 100% straight?
To follow some religious teachings -it is just as much a sin to have a sinful thought as it is to do a sinful deed - the corollary here is even to think or fantasise about same gender sexual play is the same as partaking in it.
Are some long term inmates of HM Prisons straight when they go in, gay whilst inside, and straight again on release? (and would you like to discuss the point with them?)
Soldiers in the armies of the Greek city states in ancient times were actively encouraged to 'love' each other - both physically and emotionally - as it was thought that the bonds between them would then strengthen their resolve to defend their brothers in arms. On return home after military campaigns, soldiers would then return to their wives and families. Would this make them situationally gay/bi?
(as an aside this practice is why anal sex between men used to referred to as 'Greek love').
ukbeannie youv'e perfectly encapsulated the problems with trying to define sexuality by illustrating how one persons str8 can be another persons bi. The questions you pose are pertinent and only serve to strengthen your comment that bi gay str8 is a gross over simplification. For my own part I would like to think that it is how we view our own sexuality that is important. Everyone has the right to thier own sexual identity even tho it may not fit the sometimes rigid and 'standard' definition that is sometimes assigned them by popular thinking, current opinion and viewpoint. Thanx ukbeannie for the post - brilliantly written.
Quote by BjBri69
ukbeannie youv'e perfectly encapsulated the problems with trying to define sexuality by illustrating how one persons str8 can be another persons bi. The questions you pose are pertinent and only serve to strengthen your comment that bi gay str8 is a gross over simplification. For my own part I would like to think that it is how we view our own sexuality that is important. Everyone has the right to thier own sexual identity even tho it may not fit the sometimes rigid and 'standard' definition that is sometimes assigned them by popular thinking, current opinion and viewpoint. Thanx ukbeannie for the post - brilliantly written.
Google could be your friend too! :giggle:
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote by BjBri69@ Blonde - for all we know beannie could be the new 'Kinsey' for Swinging Heaven xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Alfred Charles Kinsey aka beannie?? maybe!
I dont do tags/labels, so I dont have anything to add BUT people are people........... some you like, some you don't!
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote by ukbeannie
Sheesh! does that mean that I wasted my time studying sociology and deviance at university?
I could just look it all up on google and gain a ready made opinion?
Sweetie .......... you should sue ..... go to google! :giggle:
But it was a good point ....... well presented
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Quote by ukbeannie
Google could be your friend too! :giggle:
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sheesh! does that mean that I wasted my time studying sociology and deviance at university?
I could just look it all up on google and gain a ready made opinion?
I did years of that sort of study too bnee but I sometimes wonder if its worth it
I think your right regarding what you say and will think on re-thoughts and actions regarding any call it homsexual or lesbian activities. My initial thoughts are that 'thoughts are' valid as having a homosexual side so I guess i would say think bi - is bi ... Whereas, prompted by J I feel that dreams of homosexual activities are not necessarily the same.
Having met you I believe that Bnee you are an intelligent thoughtful man and that education was definately not wasted on you. Your good company for sure. Though the Ancient Greek hopolite's were indeed encouraged to have man'o'man sex pre - battle they were indeed brought up to believe that sex with other men was for pleasure anytime. The woman were specifically reproduction only a purely functional role. <<< All that was Anal (in the none gay straight sex type way)
As for Kinsey!! ffs has anyone read that fully. What a bloody bore - interesting in parts but all told boring I prefer books by anonymous :lol:
Good stuff in this thread. I still believe myself though that there is a perfectly valid arguement in being exclusively straight in thought and deed. Maybe look at it as a 'bell' curve though what shape bell i dont know. And before anyone suggests it thats 'bell' curve not 'bellend' curve
Always good to have a thought out posts. Lots of room for discussion/opinion/ and debate leading to common ground or at least understanding of different perspective good one bnee :thumbup:
Mr WildBrighton here - my o/h's been posting prior. I pitch in on the Ancient Greek concept of sex as it came up a few times in my studies.
Generally the concept of homosexuality isn't wholly accurate, most men were bisexual. The Greek City states were a mixed bunch and it's dangerous to mix them up too much. Sparta's form of homosexuality wasn't the same elsewhere and came about though the close military conditions the male citizen went through. In Athens the concept of marriage was plainly different, many male Athenians experienced a more liberated form of bisexuality.
The average male Athenian had to endure a balancing act when it came to the size of his family. Too many male heirs were as bad as too few and as such male prositutes were a sexual alternative with no worries of pregnancy! That said it must be emphasised that a male prostitute was seen as a social pariah. Citizen males weren't permitted to be prostitutes. The reason? Being passive (receiving) was akin to being a woman and in Athens that was pretty bad. So you could visit a male prostitute but not be on the end of one!
There was a lot of bisexuality amongst males in Athens, but it was codified and quite enforced.
As for males encouraged to have co-relations in the army UKBeanie is near the mark. Athens didn't have a professional army and as such it only really applies to the Spartans. That said the Thebans in the 4th century had a "Sacred Band" which was composed purely of lovers. Without going into detail the hoplite phalanx relied wholly on the formation being held and the crux of the genius is that you were less likely to run off or rout if you had your loved one next to you.
anyway - apols for the essay, but I rarely get a chance to chat about this (as you can see!)
Generally the concept of homosexuality isn't wholly accurate, most men were bisexual. The Greek City states were a mixed bunch and it's dangerous to mix them up too much. Sparta's form of homosexuality wasn't the same elsewhere and came about though the close military conditions the male citizen went through. In Athens the concept of marriage was plainly different, many male Athenians experienced a more liberated form of bisexuality.
The average male Athenian had to endure a balancing act when it came to the size of his family. Too many male heirs were as bad as too few and as such male prositutes were a sexual alternative with no worries of pregnancy! That said it must be emphasised that a male prostitute was seen as a social pariah. Citizen males weren't permitted to be prostitutes. The reason? Being passive (receiving) was akin to being a woman and in Athens that was pretty bad. So you could visit a male prostitute but not be on the end of one!
There was a lot of bisexuality amongst males in Athens, but it was codified and quite enforced.
As for males encouraged to have co-relations in the army UKBeanie is near the mark. Athens didn't have a professional army and as such it only really applies to the Spartans. That said the Thebans in the 4th century had a "Sacred Band" which was composed purely of lovers. Without going into detail the hoplite phalanx relied wholly on the formation being held and the crux of the genius is that you were less likely to run off or rout if you had your loved one next to you.
anyway - apols for the essay, but I rarely get a chance to chat about this (as you can see!)
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anyway - apols for the essay, but I rarely get a chance to chat about this (as you can see!)
Absolutely no apology needed. Nice to see some detail beyond my own scant knowledge on the subject.
Your post highlights the theme of Sexuality being socially constructed - with there being different expectations and accepted sexual behaviours of citizens from the different city states.
Does your knowledge of the ancient world stretch to making a contribution to one of the 'does size matter?' threads to highlight the Roman pre-occupation with penis size (believing a small penis to be preferable to a larger one).
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Quote by Wildbrightoncup
Mr WildBrighton here - my o/h's been posting prior. I pitch in on the Ancient Greek concept of sex as it came up a few times in my studies.
Generally the concept of homosexuality isn't wholly accurate, most men were bisexual. The Greek City states were a mixed bunch and it's dangerous to mix them up too much. Sparta's form of homosexuality wasn't the same elsewhere and came about though the close military conditions the male citizen went through. In Athens the concept of marriage was plainly different, many male Athenians experienced a more liberated form of bisexuality.
The average male Athenian had to endure a balancing act when it came to the size of his family. Too many male heirs were as bad as too few and as such male prositutes were a sexual alternative with no worries of pregnancy! That said it must be emphasised that a male prostitute was seen as a social pariah. Citizen males weren't permitted to be prostitutes. The reason? Being passive (receiving) was akin to being a woman and in Athens that was pretty bad. So you could visit a male prostitute but not be on the end of one!
There was a lot of bisexuality amongst males in Athens, but it was codified and quite enforced.
As for males encouraged to have co-relations in the army UKBeanie is near the mark. Athens didn't have a professional army and as such it only really applies to the Spartans. That said the Thebans in the 4th century had a "Sacred Band" which was composed purely of lovers. Without going into detail the hoplite phalanx relied wholly on the formation being held and the crux of the genius is that you were less likely to run off or rout if you had your loved one next to you.
anyway - apols for the essay, but I rarely get a chance to chat about this (as you can see!)
Love it! great post thank you definately worth reading. My info into this comes from the enjoying of the history of ancient warfare. I thouroughly enjoyed reading and learning from your post1 :thumbup:
cheers for the replies!
I'm not wholly sure about the concept of penis size being qualified by the romans. I think it's a case that our society is obsessed more with penis size than the romans and as such the lack of it on the romans part is simply in line with a number of things which they weren't hugely into as a culture.
In terms of their art the Greeks saw the body of a young man as the epitome of beauty. In Greek art the exaggerated penises belong to bawdy pottery scenes and often indicate the more less civilised instincts of humans. They aren't there to titilate, instead reminding how a civilised Athenian shouldn't act. In scenes depicting normal sexual relations the penis is certainly not out of scale and as such a large cock was likely to be seen as simply that and not something which accentuated that person's sexual ability.
Romans, despite their alleged orgies, weren't into homosexuality. As in all times it occured but wasn't endorsed as it was in the Classical greek period. Hence the historians who often use homosexual relationships to deride certain characters. I haven't checked but I'm pretty sure that buggery in the legions was severly punished.
hope this helps
I'm not wholly sure about the concept of penis size being qualified by the romans. I think it's a case that our society is obsessed more with penis size than the romans and as such the lack of it on the romans part is simply in line with a number of things which they weren't hugely into as a culture.
In terms of their art the Greeks saw the body of a young man as the epitome of beauty. In Greek art the exaggerated penises belong to bawdy pottery scenes and often indicate the more less civilised instincts of humans. They aren't there to titilate, instead reminding how a civilised Athenian shouldn't act. In scenes depicting normal sexual relations the penis is certainly not out of scale and as such a large cock was likely to be seen as simply that and not something which accentuated that person's sexual ability.
Romans, despite their alleged orgies, weren't into homosexuality. As in all times it occured but wasn't endorsed as it was in the Classical greek period. Hence the historians who often use homosexual relationships to deride certain characters. I haven't checked but I'm pretty sure that buggery in the legions was severly punished.
hope this helps
Quote by Mallock2006
You did but how can you be 100% one thing or 100% another and still have variations inbetween ????
Its like saying the bus will either be on time or it will be early....
Anything other than that it will be late...
Quote by Mallock2006
See above
I saw above :roll:
I wouldn't want to put words in Fun Scottish Couple's mouths but I read their post as there is a spectrum of sexuality running from 100% straight to 100% gay. Anything between these two extreme ends of the spectrum would be some form of bisexuality. Any individual can only be at one point on the line at any one time. So one person might be 100% straight, another 100% gay and others somewhere in between - a position that seems to be labeled bi.
If you cut the end off their sentence then it clearly doesn't say that, but says that there are only 2 positions - straight or gay with nothing between.
Not quite the same thing but have wanked in sex cinemas where mostly men and some porn was str8 stuff and there were several reasons for me to enjoy.
One - its 'dirty' and a thrill to be seen openly wanking.
Two - more relevant with women present I'm hoping to get some hetero women I've fucked with and been given oral by like a guy who's confident enough to sit close/next to them looking at their body and wanking in They're there to either simply show off or play a guy wanking but being respectful and not pushy is often the start of an interesting chat;)
It's the seedy end of the market and all 3 venues I used to go to have now closed e.g.
Fantasy Video,Club 487 and Sunset Cinema.
I miss them but have fond memories of some great fucks and BJ's.
As for other guys I was never bothered by any and would have politely said no thanks.
